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Homeowners say WI Law Favors Big Farms, Leaves them Powerless Against Smells, Pollution
Washtington ComPost ^ | September 28, 2011 | AP

Posted on 09/28/2011 11:14:23 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin

MAGNOLIA, WI — John Adams can’t see the nearly 3,000 cows on the dairy farm two miles from his Wisconsin home, but when the wind blows he can smell them.

The stench gives him and his wife headaches. They blame the big farm for contaminating their air and polluting the groundwater well they use for drinking, bathing and watering their garden. They no longer feel safe eating the vegetables they grow.

Adams also blames the state, which requires local governments to grant permits to large farms that meet certain limited criteria, even if there are additional environmental concerns. The rural farming town where he lives tried to impose stricter rules, only to be overruled by the state agriculture department.

Adams and seven neighbors, along with the town of Magnolia, sued the state and the farm in the first case of its kind to reach a state supreme court and the result could set a precedent throughout the Midwest. Similar cases have been filed in Illinois, Indiana, Minnesota, Nebraska, Ohio and Oklahoma, and two juries in Missouri have already handed out multimillion-dollar awards to homeowners who complained of intolerable odors from so-called factory farms.

At the same time, several states have passed or are considering laws that would make it easier for big farms to get permits. Lawmakers say the move creates uniformity, allowing farms to expand under predictable circumstances, and strengthens one of the few industries that didn’t tank in the recession.

Critics argue the laws deprive residents of a voice.

“A township should have the right to establish guidelines to keep its people safe, but it doesn’t,” said Adams, 61. “Those of us who are being affected, it’s like there’s nothing we can do.”

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: courts; cows; destructionoffarming; farming; farms; food; liberalfascism; nannystate; propertytheft; wisconsin; zoning
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1 posted on 09/28/2011 11:14:26 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Blame. A liberal tradition from birth.


2 posted on 09/28/2011 11:18:51 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard .. Obama: Epic Fail or Bust!!!)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

I’m sorta curious if this dairy farming community sprang up around Mr. Adams’ house, or if he built his house in an established dairy farming community and is now whining about being in a dairy farming community.


3 posted on 09/28/2011 11:18:59 AM PDT by chrisser (Starve the Monkeys!)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Who was there first—Mr. Adams or the 3,000 cows?


4 posted on 09/28/2011 11:19:12 AM PDT by July4 (Remember the price paid for your freedom.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

If one doesn’t like the smell of a farm then move stupid.
There is plenty of housing available in Detroit.


5 posted on 09/28/2011 11:19:24 AM PDT by Doulos1 (Bitter Clinger Forever!)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

The same people will complian about the pric of food after they’ve driven the small farmers out of busines. Why did you move to the area, Mr. Adams? Stay in urban areas, where you have no organic odors, but you have lots of crime, high property taxes and all the other wonderful things associated with crowded suburbian.


6 posted on 09/28/2011 11:20:23 AM PDT by laconic
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
If you don't want to live in the country, don't move to the country.
7 posted on 09/28/2011 11:21:19 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Palin is coming, and the Tea Party is coming with her.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
It's unreasonable, to a degree, for farmers to be held responsible for the improperly sited homes downwind of them ~ on the other hand, traditional water rights codes allow you to divert water from the stream but not to divert it entirely from the downstream uses.

Applying the same standards to air ~ (at least with respect to the prevailing wind) ~ the farmer could be required to retain his emissions and dispose of them differently.

A few wiseguys out there running 10,000 hogs in a 100X60 ft barn certainly bulge the envelope but they also attract the attention of the state legislature.

At the moment a few guys with a few thousand cows are doing all the attracting, but it won't take but 10 minutes and that first factory hog farm will open up UPWIND of all the feeding station employees, their families, and their schools.

That's how they do it in the Midwest.

8 posted on 09/28/2011 11:22:15 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: laconic

3,000 cows is NOT a small farm.


9 posted on 09/28/2011 11:23:05 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

“Here we go...”

Something wrong with letting the locals decide if they want mega-dairies, or hog operations, or chicken houses, or whatever industrial agri-business operation next door or not?


10 posted on 09/28/2011 11:23:18 AM PDT by ngat
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To: chrisser
I’m sorta curious if this dairy farming community sprang up around Mr. Adams’ house, or if he built his house in an established dairy farming community and is now whining about being in a dairy farming community.

Same here. We're one of 13 or so homes in a pocket of a farming/recreational area. The neighbor behind me has a horse & mule, and cows are just down the street. The dust is pretty heavy but THEY were here first. We accept the cons along with the pros of living where we are, and believe me the pros far outnumber. :)

11 posted on 09/28/2011 11:23:18 AM PDT by Kieri (The Conservatrarian)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Move.


12 posted on 09/28/2011 11:23:28 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
“A township should have the right to establish guidelines to keep its people safe, but it doesn’t,” said Adams, 61. “Those of us who are being affected, it’s like there’s nothing we can do.”

People who choose to live near a farm need to understand that farms have animals. Animals make funny sounds and smells. If you cannot tolerate sounds and odors from farms, live elsewhere.

Blame your housing developers for not informing you. The farm and farmers were already there before you arrived.

13 posted on 09/28/2011 11:28:26 AM PDT by olezip
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

I grew up near Midland, Michigan ... home of Dow Chemical Company. We lived probably about 12 miles upstream on the Tittabawassee River from the plant, and I can remember going out the back door to school in the morning and the smell would sometimes be enough to knock you over. My dad used to say, “Well, Dow’s making money this morning ...”


14 posted on 09/28/2011 11:31:03 AM PDT by BlueLancer (Secede?! Y'all better just be thankful we don't invade ...)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Note, Br'r Adams is undoubtedly one of my cousins and they'd have been in the Midwest 10 generations ago ~ probably at that site in Wisconsin. This Larson guy is a newcomer ~ only 5 generations and already he thinks he's ready to EXPAND and create a 4,000 cow herd in the midst of an area that has 100 cow herds and where the expected discipline is to dispose of your own manure on your own land.

Seems Br'r Larson likes to send his manure down the creek and let somebody else handle it.

His kids will get beat up a lot I am sure.

15 posted on 09/28/2011 11:32:26 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: olezip

That’s not the issue in this case.


16 posted on 09/28/2011 11:33:36 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

This MUST be taken seriously!!

Video of relevant protest.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWBUl7oT9sA


17 posted on 09/28/2011 11:35:43 AM PDT by Gator113 (Palin 2012, period.....)
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To: BlueLancer
Worse ~ I grew up on the East Side of Indianapolis when most of the homes used coal furnaces. But that was nothing compared to Sundays when Eli Lilly would boil the horse urine over at their downtown headquarters.

Lilly has a lot of urine to boil. You can ask Mitch Daniels about it.

18 posted on 09/28/2011 11:36:30 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
Whoa ... I got lost in Indianapolis while driving from Texas to Michigan on the day of the Indy 500 ---

Made the wrong turn and it took me forever to get back out on the interstate ...

19 posted on 09/28/2011 11:39:31 AM PDT by BlueLancer (Secede?! Y'all better just be thankful we don't invade ...)
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To: BlueLancer
Just keep going ~ you'll encounter an interstate but you won't be able to get on.

Race Day ~ Bwahahahahahaha

20 posted on 09/28/2011 11:44:03 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: July4
Who was there first—Mr. Adams or the 3,000 cows?

The way the article reads, Adams was there first. The farm keeps expanding, tripling its herd while simultaneously going to court to prevent the local government from testing for contaminants.

21 posted on 09/28/2011 11:45:36 AM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: chrisser
Yes sir, farmer buys 800 acres in middle of subdivision. LOL Reminds me of the lady that got pissed because the railroad actually ran trains on the track at the back of her yard.
22 posted on 09/28/2011 11:46:00 AM PDT by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by Perry and his fellow democrats.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Maybe it’s just me, but I rather enjoy the faint whiff of cow manure in the air. If you’ve grown up around farms, it’s a pleasant and familiar smell.

Same with horses. I draw the line at pigs.

When they sprinkle the pastures across the way with liquid cow manure, that’s another matter entirely. But that rather horrible and unnatural smell only lasts for a day or so, and then it’s gone. And they get three or even four harvests from the grass, depending on the weather.


23 posted on 09/28/2011 11:52:40 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Maybe old John can start eating lawyers.....I hear they taste like rat.


24 posted on 09/28/2011 11:54:58 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: chrisser

I guess plans for the airport fell through.


25 posted on 09/28/2011 11:55:07 AM PDT by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: org.whodat
Mr. Adams is a farmer. Mr. Larson is a relative newcomer to the region ~ hasn't even Anglicized his surname yet, and you know how that gets.

Probably has to speak through a lawyer due to deficiencies in his English.

(/s) ~ this is about Wisconsin so most of what I said is not exactly a joke.

Now, about this method of his of going into a region with smaller farms that used to be "general farms" and turning it into a monster poop factory! That's SOOOOOOOO North Dakota!!!!!! and right down to the Scanderhoovian name.

I can't believe the idea was that of Br'r Larson ~ has to be an investment group behind it who think of their land in terms of SECTIONS.

26 posted on 09/28/2011 11:55:41 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

I really don’t care. There is little appreciation from these newcomers who want the farmers to change to accommdoate THEM and in no way want to give up a thing when they move to a rural area where the farms have been in operation for generations.


27 posted on 09/28/2011 11:55:57 AM PDT by laconic
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Liberals want all the benefits from owning property as long as they do not have to pay a dime for it, they expect mama government to give them, for free, unlimited views of nature, the sounds and fresh air smell of nature, all the services of city living, just because they bought a quarter acre lot in the country side and put up an eco dome with solar panels on the roof. They expect long time land owners to shut down farms, end gravel quarrying, stop shooting & hunting and provide them with vistas by not developing the land bought long before the eco-nut liberals invaded the area.


28 posted on 09/28/2011 11:58:51 AM PDT by RicocheT (Eat the rich only if you're certain it's your last meal)
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To: muawiyah
Seems Br'r Larson likes to send his manure down the creek and let somebody else handle it.

In my neck of the woods, the DNR would be on your back in a heartbeat.

29 posted on 09/28/2011 11:59:11 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Palin is coming, and the Tea Party is coming with her.)
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To: laconic
Alas, that's not the source of complaint here. That "town" has about 800 people and is 36 square miles in size.

That's pretty open farm country when it comes to Souvrn' Wisconsin.

The complainant is a farmer. The offender is a poop manufacturer.

30 posted on 09/28/2011 11:59:12 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

This story stinks of Bull$h*t to me....


31 posted on 09/28/2011 12:02:52 PM PDT by ThomasMore (Islam is the Whore of Babylon!)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Apparently the folks in Wisconsin thought they had a federally designated watershed area. Problem is (if you look at this area on Google Earth) they don't have the rural road density you find in the heart of the cornbelt. Lot of that soil in Wisconsin is of limited use so they raise cows and grow hay and alfalfa ~ or, maybe even trees. The consequence is they can't just go into this guy's core area and do water samples ~ without which they can't prove that he's a poop manufacturer and is probably violating federal and state laws.

At the same time he's been in court to stop the "town" (actually larger than most Midwestern "townships") and he and his goombahs have gone to the legislature for further protections from older established farmers.

If he gets what he wants folks will be building Hog Factories and you just haven't lived until you've been within 15 miles down wind of one of those suckers!

Even Larson is going to be complaining.

32 posted on 09/28/2011 12:06:34 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep

If he is buying additional farm land, the farm was still there first.


33 posted on 09/28/2011 12:06:59 PM PDT by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by Perry and his fellow democrats.)
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To: muawiyah

Sounds like he would fit right in with the corn ethanol mafia.


34 posted on 09/28/2011 12:10:02 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Palin is coming, and the Tea Party is coming with her.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

See this horsedoo often, someone moves into neighborhood where a nearby farm has been for years and the newby begins bitchin about the smell.

Because its hard to shut one down on smell, they then start saying water POLLUTION.

Can’t imagine this going very far in DAIRY Wisconsin.


35 posted on 09/28/2011 12:11:52 PM PDT by dusttoyou (paulnutz/bachnutz/palinwishers are wee-weeing all over themselves, Foc nobama)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
No, he's adopting a practice found further West in the Dakotas.

Tom Daschle sponsored a lot of legislation to make it all possible and in the process disabled most of the smaller dairy farms in Minnesota and Wisconsin. This is one of those areas close enough to urban areas (a mere 100 miles or so) that you can do dairy economically with only 100 cows.

I'd bet Larson is a member of ELCA (they use gay ministers and always take the Liberal position on any issue).

36 posted on 09/28/2011 12:14:08 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
Yeah, because the farmers moved in AFTER all those crackerjack box houses were thrown up.

Wait...What? You mean the farmers were there first? And the people who moved in did so knowing that the farmland was there?

Sounds to me like the liberal yuppies want the government to support their stupidity and short sightedness....

Oh yeah. That's what government is best at.

37 posted on 09/28/2011 12:15:45 PM PDT by airborne (Paratroopers! Good to the last drop!)
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To: dusttoyou
You sure ought to read the whole thread first. The nearby farmers are concerned with the factory farm guy who moved his operation into their midst and began pumping his poop into THEIR streams and water table.

The people there first are being bullied.

Your boy Preibus and his boy Walker are on the side of the factory farm guy with the irregular disposal method for the many tons of poop he produces each day.

38 posted on 09/28/2011 12:17:02 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
Ah yez, the air along Kentucky Ave. was...um..tasty. The word “smell” just doesn't seem adequate.
39 posted on 09/28/2011 12:17:41 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: count-your-change
"tasty"~ fur shur I'd never thought of that word.

Lilly loved to do that big boil on the weekends when all their employees were SOMEWHERE ELSE!

40 posted on 09/28/2011 12:19:42 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: org.whodat
The way the article reads, Adams was there first.

But considering the source (Washington ComPost) I think I'd like to see a more reliable source.

Even the National Enquirer would be better.

And the farmer wouldn't have even been able to expand unless that land was zoned for agricultural use. So it was "farmland" already, before Mr. Adams moved in.

41 posted on 09/28/2011 12:21:35 PM PDT by airborne (Paratroopers! Good to the last drop!)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

i grew up on a dairy farm.

we were in the middle of nowhere. then the city expanded and gradually over the decades city folk moved out by us and other dairy farms.

they cried foul! it interfered with their bicycle riding they said. blah, blah, blah.

the smell doesn’t bother us.

and then they passed laws outlawing cattle farms from 2/3 of the state.


42 posted on 09/28/2011 12:22:46 PM PDT by ken21 (ruling class dem + rino progressives -- destroying america for 150 years.)
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To: ngat

Yes, there is something wrong with it. When the “locals” decide that their interest in your property should be protected by the government to the detriment of your interest, they have taken your property without compensation.


43 posted on 09/28/2011 12:30:19 PM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: muawiyah
I am quite familiar with Indy, used to work at the old Marion Co. General Hospital. Eli Lilly had an entire floor to themselves, doctors, nurses, pharmacy, their own little hospital within a hospital and the best of everything.

Lilly had their own horse farm to collect the urine, if I recall correctly, for the premarin (PREgnant MARe urINe).

44 posted on 09/28/2011 12:32:43 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: chrisser

Exactly what I was thinking.


45 posted on 09/28/2011 12:33:41 PM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: muawiyah

Went back and read the entire article.

We are both partially right.

Trouble is there is no documented “pollution of THEIR streams as you claim. The only reference is to: “Byron Shaw, a retired University of Wisconsin-Stevens Point professor who specializes in soil and water, said the problem with such enormous farms is that they generate more manure in a small area than can be spread on the fields around them. The excess can end up washing into creeks and other water sources, he said.”

No where is there anything saying THIS farm polluted THEIR streams. You reread the article. The UW Prof says it theoritical, not actual.

The farmer objects to the city exceeding their municiple authority wanting to inspect his facility. If they say its polluting the streams, they can surely test the streams and prove it, The city did not.


46 posted on 09/28/2011 12:34:30 PM PDT by dusttoyou (paulnutz/bachnutz/palinwishers are wee-weeing all over themselves, Foc nobama)
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To: dusttoyou
What you don't understand about soil conditions in the American Midwest could fill football stadiums ~ every square inch of the Midwest has been analyzed down to the limestone. They know what the carrying capacity of every fenced plot is.

The statement about the manure is hardly theoretical ~ I am sure it can be demonstrated to the nth degree!

If they found a single sample of water downstream of that particular operation that had the slightest elevation (which they did) it's time to shut 'er down.

I find it interesting that the Larson guy imagines he can get away with this with no repercussions. There's some other guy named Anderson just 150 Miles SE of there who's looking for a place for a Hog Factory ~ he'll be knocking.

BTW, it took the state of Illinois several decades to shut down an improperly run Hog Factory along I 57. You could actually FEEL the air and there was no way to filter it out of your car!

47 posted on 09/28/2011 12:44:28 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

I grew up in the San Gabriel Valley perhaps 2 or 3 miles from a dairy farm. Best I know the cows were there before our neighborhoods were.


48 posted on 09/28/2011 12:44:34 PM PDT by jimfree (In 2012 Sarah Palin will have more quality executive experience than Barack Obama.)
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To: Gator113

“Is there someone else we can talk to?”


49 posted on 09/28/2011 12:48:32 PM PDT by bcsco (Take a Cain - and cure the Pain!)
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To: Cicero

i had rather smell cow poo than perfume.


50 posted on 09/28/2011 12:50:22 PM PDT by old gringo
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