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Florida poll puts Romney up two points over …
Hot Air ^ | 29 Sep 2011 | Ed Morrissey

Posted on 09/29/2011 9:07:07 AM PDT by mandaladon

Maybe that P5 straw poll in Florida had more significance than some thought. A new poll by Survey USA of likely Florida primary voters shows Mitt Romney ahead in the GOP nomination race at 27%, but the second-place finisher comes within the margin of error — and it’s not Rick Perry:

In the Florida Republican Primary for President, Mitt Romney at 27% edges Herman Cain at 25%, according to a SurveyUSA poll conducted for WFLA-TV Tampa. Rick Perry finishes 3rd with 13%, others further back. The Primary is tentatively, and controversially, scheduled for 4 months from today, on 01/31/12,

Romney is strong among older voters, women, moderates and in Southeast Florida. Cain is strong among men, younger voters, Tea Party members, affluent voters and in Northeast Florida. Perry is strong among those who say they are “very conservative,” among those who attend religious services regularly, among Evangelicals and in Northwest Florida.

Newt Gingrich at 6%, and Michelle Bachmann and Ron Paul at 5%, effectively tie for 4th place. Jon Huntsman, in 7th place, finishes ahead of Rick Santorum.

Survey USA has a lot more credibility than Zogby’s online interactive polls do, and Florida is a significant state. This survey took place Saturday through Tuesday, and SUSA culled 500 likely voters from almost 1400 responses on both landlines and cellphones. I’d be interested to see how the general-survey numbers turned out, and how each day’s tally worked out. Even apart from that, though, Herman Cain obviously made a big impression on Florida voters in the debate as well as at the straw poll.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Florida
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Cain ended up winning a couple of key demographics, especially the age demos of 35-49 and 50-64, leading Romney by double digits in each. Romney won seniors handily, 34/19 over Cain. Cain won Hispanic voters 22/16 over Romney. Cain won men (32/22) and Romney won women (31/17). Not surprisingly, Cain also won self-identified Tea Party voters, although not by as much as one might think at 34/26. Romney won the lower- and middle-income voters, but Cain edged him among those making more than $80K, 28/27./////////////////////

I expect a big surprise in Florida !!!

1 posted on 09/29/2011 9:07:13 AM PDT by mandaladon
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To: mandaladon

But we know Herman Cain can’t win.

As opposed to Mitt Romney, because he won a single political race with 49% of the vote, then couldn’t run for reelection, because he was polling below 30%. That’s the kind of political experience that makes someone a legitimate candidate.


2 posted on 09/29/2011 9:10:49 AM PDT by Brookhaven (Why Not Herman Cain?)
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To: mandaladon

27% versus 25% is not statistically significant.

I hope Cain beats Romney’s butt!!!


3 posted on 09/29/2011 9:14:09 AM PDT by ZULU (DUMP Obama in 2012)
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To: mandaladon

woohoo this is good news!


4 posted on 09/29/2011 9:17:38 AM PDT by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: Brookhaven

Oh, Romney can win the nomination. And unless Palin jumps in, he will; you can bank on it.
The question is whether he can win in November.


5 posted on 09/29/2011 9:18:07 AM PDT by Lady Lucky
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To: ZULU

This must mean the field is now set....Cain vs. Romney.


6 posted on 09/29/2011 9:19:33 AM PDT by Rational Thought
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To: AuntB; Tennessee Nana; La Lydia; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; DoughtyOne; calcowgirl; Will88; ...
FLA POLL: Mitt Romney 27%; Herman Cain 25%.

Rick Perry a lame 3rd at 13%, others further back.

7 posted on 09/29/2011 9:22:47 AM PDT by Liz (The rule of law must prevail. We canÂ’t govern ourselves by our personal point of view.)
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To: mandaladon

Romney leads.

That should make the Charlie Crist Republican Establishment extremely happy.

I was in a doctor’s waiting room last week and there was Charlie Crist on the TV doing his “For the People” gig for Morgan and Morgan.


8 posted on 09/29/2011 9:24:44 AM PDT by Presbyterian Reporter
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To: mandaladon

I'm sure the hand-wringers and bed-wetters will be along any minute now to tell us that Cain can't win and to sarcastically thank us for clearing the way for Romney. Some people are just too afraid to make a difference.


9 posted on 09/29/2011 9:26:16 AM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: mandaladon

Florida has done a big favor to Governor Rick Perry. It has given him that proverbial kick in the rear to get his act together. If he responds to this feedback, he will be a better candidate and learn the right stuff to take down the clown.


10 posted on 09/29/2011 9:28:48 AM PDT by jonrick46 (2012 can't come soon enough.)
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To: mandaladon

In a REAL VOTE, loser Romney comes in third.

So the MSM and Team Romney invent another faux poll.

BS. Romney is third. and Mr. Cain leads.


11 posted on 09/29/2011 9:32:31 AM PDT by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: mandaladon
Raising Cain!


12 posted on 09/29/2011 9:33:58 AM PDT by 109ACS (If this be Treason, then make the most of it. Patrick Henry, May 1765)
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To: mandaladon

The deal is far from sealed but its looking good for Mr Cain.
I hope he is prepared for the unbeleivable crap they (media and the lefty groups) will throw at him. They may even attack his family?
He can take a lesson from Palin there.
Gooo team!


13 posted on 09/29/2011 9:34:19 AM PDT by Leep
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To: mandaladon

The deal is far from sealed but its looking good for Mr Cain.
I hope he is prepared for the unbeleivable crap they (media and the lefty groups) will throw at him. They may even attack his family?
He can take a lesson from Palin there.
Gooo team!


14 posted on 09/29/2011 9:34:29 AM PDT by Leep
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To: mandaladon
There is an important lesson here. Romney can't break 30%. Even if he knocks out a candidate the votes don't go to him, the just find another candidate, who isn't Romney. The quick and total collapse of Perry is the worst thing that could have happend to him. Now the field is cleard for Cain, a real outsider and big "C" conservative.

Once Cain becomes the "Not Romney" watch Perry's numbers go to around 5%. Nobody really liked him, he just appeared to be the best among the "Not Romney's" available. Just as it was Bachman before Perry got into the race.

Cain is the penultimate outsider (the ultimate isn't running). He is high risk, high reward, and conservative primary voters are by nature, conservative. So the complete collapse of the safe bets may be the best thing that ever happened to the conservative movement. It made us stop and listen to Cain. And all he had to do was get people to pay attention to what he was saying to become the standard bearer of the conservative movement.
15 posted on 09/29/2011 9:34:40 AM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: Lady Lucky
Oh, Romney can win the nomination. And unless Palin jumps in, he will; you can bank on it.

Why do you think Palin would do better than Cain?

16 posted on 09/29/2011 9:35:27 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: Brookhaven
The Perry Fangirls, who will be here any minute, are trying to convince us that Mr. Open Borders is the only Republican that can stop Romney even though he is so incoherent he has to have his wife explain his positions, has a history of supporting illegal aliens and is buried up to his neck in “pay to play” schemes.

We can do better than these two pukes. We must do better.

17 posted on 09/29/2011 9:36:38 AM PDT by bwc2221
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To: jonrick46
Kick in the butt, LOL, that noise you hear is the door closing on Perry's trash can.
18 posted on 09/29/2011 9:39:01 AM PDT by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by Perry and his fellow democrats.)
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To: bwc2221

POST OF THE DAY!


19 posted on 09/29/2011 9:50:44 AM PDT by iowamark (Rick Perry says I'm heartless.)
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To: bwc2221
"Fangirls", huh? Very nice.

I will just say that while I like most everything about Herman Cain, he hasn't yet been through the anal exam that others have. It is possible his stock will fall just as quickly as it rose.

And, yes, FWIW I still think the primary outcome of Perry's destruction was that Romney's chances of securing our nomination skyrocketed.

20 posted on 09/29/2011 10:01:36 AM PDT by comebacknewt (Newt (sigh) what could have been . . .)
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To: mandaladon

Headline should read “Romney, Cain Tied in Florida: Cain Leads Among Conservatives.”


21 posted on 09/29/2011 10:02:48 AM PDT by iowamark (Rick Perry says I'm heartless.)
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To: bwc2221

We are doing better...his name is Herman Cain.


22 posted on 09/29/2011 10:03:22 AM PDT by GatorGirl (Herman Cain 2012)
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To: Leep
I hope he is prepared for the unbeleivable crap they (media and the lefty groups) will throw at him.

I hope he is prepared for the unbelievable crap that some on the right will throw at him.

You better believe it is coming. Definitely not from me, but I have already seen others doing it right here on FR.

23 posted on 09/29/2011 10:06:29 AM PDT by comebacknewt (Newt (sigh) what could have been . . .)
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To: comebacknewt

Some of the people here can be pretty vicious. But lately they’ve been attacking big republican donors and that is a very serious mistake.


24 posted on 09/29/2011 10:08:47 AM PDT by McGavin999
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To: Homer_J_Simpson
Why do you think Palin would do better than Cain?

No reason you haven't seen a hundred times already. He's a rookie. The presidency is not an entry level position. And no, business is NOT the same as politics. Also, that 9-9-9 thing is a gimmick, if he really thought it a beautiful idea he'd run for House or Senate and advance it there.

Palin's not perfect -- I harbor an awful suspicion that she'll endorse Romney sooner or later (and probably sooner) -- but she's been royally nuked by the media and is still standing. Twenty thousand emails and they couldn't find a particle more to throw at her. She's been a governor, has experience dealing with the legislature, the media, the voters, and the big businesses, from an executive's office. And she could make energy issues central to the campaign, highlighting her experience in Alaska. She can hold her own in debate, tested and proven.

I don't want any surprises, and Cain is not tested and proven.

25 posted on 09/29/2011 10:11:20 AM PDT by Lady Lucky
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To: ZULU

I know! But remember, Herman can’t win! His straw poll win was just a protest vote. Trust us, we know. Blah, blah, blah. Go Herman!!!!!!


26 posted on 09/29/2011 10:15:16 AM PDT by chilepup
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To: mandaladon

If he is within 2% of Romney at this stage without the name recognition, Mittens is in very big trouble...


27 posted on 09/29/2011 10:20:29 AM PDT by Raebie (WS)
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To: ZULU

Romney has one group. Cain and Perry folks split the other. Not good. Romney could win if Cain and perry split. Romney 40. Cain 30 Perry 30. UGH!!


28 posted on 09/29/2011 10:21:25 AM PDT by Donnafrflorida (Thru HIM all things are possible.)
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To: ZULU

Romney has one group. Cain and Perry folks split the other. Not good. Romney could win if Cain and perry split. Romney 40. Cain 30 Perry 30. UGH!!


29 posted on 09/29/2011 10:21:33 AM PDT by Donnafrflorida (Thru HIM all things are possible.)
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To: Donnafrflorida

I knpw there are too many conservatives in the brew and not enough Liberals. Maybe that is why Christie and Julie-Annie should run - BOTH of them.


30 posted on 09/29/2011 10:24:04 AM PDT by ZULU (DUMP Obama in 2012)
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To: McGavin999
Some of the people here can be pretty vicious.

Then you have people like Bachmann and Santorum who seem all too eager to do Romney's dirty work in the debates.

I can see Bachmann slamming Cain's position on eliminating the EPA and calling him "an extremist who hates children" much the same way she blasted Perry on Social Security and Gardasil.

31 posted on 09/29/2011 10:25:00 AM PDT by comebacknewt (Newt (sigh) what could have been . . .)
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To: comebacknewt
No, they're not going to slam Cain, it seem Cain endorsed Romney in the last election and he said yesterday that he would support Romney if he got the nomination but wouldn't support Perry. So, no, they'll leave him alone.

Notice that the only one being attacked is Perry.

32 posted on 09/29/2011 10:27:34 AM PDT by McGavin999
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To: comebacknewt

ALL of them need to STOP attacking EACH other in the debates, REMEMBER Reagan’s 11th commandment and GO AFTER OBAMA!!!!


33 posted on 09/29/2011 10:28:14 AM PDT by ZULU (DUMP Obama in 2012)
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To: Lady Lucky

Thanks for the reply. You make good points. But the idea of Palin endorsing Romney is scary. Has she given some indication that this is possible? I understand she voiced approval of Perry at one point but Romney? I don’t get that.


34 posted on 09/29/2011 10:33:48 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: Lady Lucky
Oh, Romney can win the nomination. And unless Palin jumps in, he will; you can bank on it.

Romney would actually have a better chance of winning the nomination if Palin does "jump in".

35 posted on 09/29/2011 10:35:18 AM PDT by Prokopton
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To: mandaladon
Romney won the lower- and middle-income voters, but Cain edged him among those making more than $80K, 28/27.

This is interesting, as Romney has usually polled better with higher income Republicans. What does this say about Romney, or Cain or Florida?

36 posted on 09/29/2011 10:35:20 AM PDT by Plutarch
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To: comebacknewt

“I can see Bachmann slamming Cain’s position on eliminating the EPA”

Nice try:

http://www.grist.org/politics/2011-08-08-michele-bachmann-pledges-epas-doors-locked-and-lights-turned-off


37 posted on 09/29/2011 10:39:17 AM PDT by Prokopton
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To: Homer_J_Simpson
But the idea of Palin endorsing Romney is scary. Has she given some indication that this is possible?

Well, she once endorsed John McCain.

38 posted on 09/29/2011 10:46:06 AM PDT by Lady Lucky
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To: Prokopton
She won't beat Romney if she doesn't run, that's for sure.

I don't see anyone else beating him. Well maybe Obama.

39 posted on 09/29/2011 10:49:26 AM PDT by Lady Lucky
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To: Prokopton

OK, Santorum then.


40 posted on 09/29/2011 10:49:34 AM PDT by comebacknewt (Newt (sigh) what could have been . . .)
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To: mandaladon; reaganaut

Santorum will drop soon; his only supporter seems to be Kathryn Lopez from National Review. This seems to be a three-way race now, but honestly, Romney (the RINO) has never broken 20% nationally and seems unlikely to ever.

I say it’s a Cain/Perry race, even though Perry’s taken a deserved hit since the debates. The minor candidates are just that: minor. Bachmann was a substitute Palin for many, and Ron Paul is a little too much of an old crank.


41 posted on 09/29/2011 10:49:46 AM PDT by mrreaganaut (Coolidge for President!)
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To: Plutarch
What does this say about Romney, or Cain or Florida?

It suggests to me that the other opponents ought to start hammering Romney instead of each other. I think Romney's $$$ advantage looms largest among casual voters, and therefore is easily defeated by getting the word out.
42 posted on 09/29/2011 10:53:14 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (It's fun to play with your vision, but don't ever play with your eyes.-1970's PSA)
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To: McGavin999
No, they're not going to slam Cain, it seem Cain endorsed Romney in the last election and he said yesterday that he would support Romney if he got the nomination but wouldn't support Perry. So, no, they'll leave him alone.

A good point.

If they ever perceive Cain as being a credible threat to Romney, I still think they will take him out (metaphorically of course).

The fix has been in for a while. I am hoping against hope we find a way to disrupt it, but from my perspective it looks to me like Romney's chances of securing our nomination have never been higher.

43 posted on 09/29/2011 10:55:35 AM PDT by comebacknewt (Newt (sigh) what could have been . . .)
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To: mrreaganaut
Santorum will drop soon; his only supporter seems to be Kathryn Lopez from National Review.

Santorum will probably last until Iowa. There is a significant German Catholic contingent that he appeals to. If he can get as high as third, he'll stick, otherwise, he'll quit, as NH, SC and FL are not friendly.
44 posted on 09/29/2011 11:00:47 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (It's fun to play with your vision, but don't ever play with your eyes.-1970's PSA)
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To: comebacknewt
No, they'll run Cain as Romney's running mate. They were going to use Bachmann but the people had a very viseral dislike of the way she behaved. She ruined her chances. Now they will use Cain hoping he will play Palin to Romney's McCain.

What will happen is that Herman won't be able to raise sufficient money from the powers that be, he won't have the big donors and he'll be at the mercy of Romney who he seems to like quite well.

45 posted on 09/29/2011 11:02:10 AM PDT by McGavin999
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To: McGavin999
What will happen is that Herman won't be able to raise sufficient money from the powers that be, he won't have the big donors and he'll be at the mercy of Romney who he seems to like quite well.

Hmmm.

I think you might have nailed it.

46 posted on 09/29/2011 11:08:57 AM PDT by comebacknewt (Newt (sigh) what could have been . . .)
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To: McGavin999

That would be a shame. We fell for that last time. Not so sure a lot of us would fall for that again so soon.


47 posted on 09/29/2011 11:14:27 AM PDT by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: McGavin999

“Some of the people here can be pretty vicious. But lately they’ve been attacking big republican donors and that is a very serious mistake”

Hmmmm.....

I’ll admit I’m not that smart, but could you explain _why_ “attacking [the] big republican donors” — the guys who will ALWAYS fall in line on the side of the more “moderate” and RINO — is a BAD thing?

Those “donors’” ultimate intent is to hand to us someone like Romney, or worse.

Just sayin’....


48 posted on 09/29/2011 11:22:21 AM PDT by Grumplestiltskin (I may look new, but it's only deja vu!)
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To: mandaladon
In other words, Romney is popular among moderates and uninformed voters.

No problem. We can take care of that.

The goal is to reduce Romney's support to liberal Republicans only - about 4% of the vote.
49 posted on 09/29/2011 11:24:05 AM PDT by Antoninus (Take the pledge: I will not vote for Mitt Romney under any circumstances. EVER.)
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To: so_real

I don’t know why so many are insisting that it’s either Perry or Romney.

Cain just came out of the box five days ago. All he had then was 40% name recognition. That means that only 40% of the people even knew who he was. The press was doing their best to ignore him.

Now they can’t. Word is spreading in a grass-roots fashion. People are buzzing about this guy and liking what they hear.

I believe that he’ll be leading in the polls within the next three weeks.

But we’ve got to get the word out. We should be hitting websites other than FR. Commenting on YouTube videos. Plastering this guy over our FaceBook pages. At least get peole interested enough to take a look under the hood.


50 posted on 09/29/2011 11:26:33 AM PDT by Marie (Cain 9s Have Teeth)
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