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Bombshell: DOJ Considering Elimination of ATF (ATF? WTF?)
Townhall ^ | 09/30/2011 | Katie Palich

Posted on 09/30/2011 2:59:57 PM PDT by PhilosopherStone1000

Multiple sources, including sources from ATF, DOJ and Congressional offices have said there is a white paper circulating within the Department of Justice, outlining the essential elimination of ATF. According to sources, the paper outlines the firing of at least 450 ATF agents in an effort to conduct damage control as Operation Fast and Furious gets uglier and as election day 2012 gets closer.

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“It’s a serious white paper being circulated, how far they’d get with it I don’t know,” a confidential source said.

After a town hall meeting about Operation Fast and Furious in Tucson, Ariz. on Monday, ATF Whistleblower Vince Cefalu, who has been key in exposing details about Operation Fast and Furious, confirmed the elimination of ATF has been circulating as a serious idea for sometime now and that a white paper outlining the plan does exist.

Sounds great right? Eliminating ATF? But there is more to this story. Remember, low level ATF field agents, like ATF whistleblower John Dodson, were uncomfortable conducting Operation Fast and Furious from the beginning, but were told by high level officials within ATF that if they had a problem with the operation, they could find a job elsewhere.

“Allowing loads of weapons that we knew to be destined for criminals, this was the plan. It was so mandated,” ATF Whistleblower John Dodson said in testimony on Capitol Hill on June 15, 2011.

In fact, not only were the ATF agents forced to carry out the operation, they were told to go against what they had been taught in training.

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TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; fastandfurious; gunrunner; gunwalker
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Holder and Dumb0 running scared.
1 posted on 09/30/2011 3:00:02 PM PDT by PhilosopherStone1000
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To: PhilosopherStone1000

Dry manure is spreading in the wind.


2 posted on 09/30/2011 3:03:45 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Allowing Islam into America is akin to injecting yourself with AIDS to prove how tolerant you are..)
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To: PhilosopherStone1000

Maybe. But it would be spun as O and H taking decisive action against a corrupt government entity.


3 posted on 09/30/2011 3:03:52 PM PDT by gundog (Help us, Nairobi-Wan Kenobi...you're our only hope.)
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4 posted on 09/30/2011 3:04:34 PM PDT by MestaMachine (Wanna confuse obama? Ask him his REAL name.)
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To: PhilosopherStone1000
It might be a serious Black Paper.


5 posted on 09/30/2011 3:04:50 PM PDT by hflynn
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To: PhilosopherStone1000

I’ll believe it when I see it. The ATF should have been shut down long ago.


6 posted on 09/30/2011 3:04:50 PM PDT by 50cal Smokepole (Effective gun control involves effective recoil management)
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To: PhilosopherStone1000
It might be a serious Black Paper.


7 posted on 09/30/2011 3:04:51 PM PDT by hflynn
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To: PhilosopherStone1000

ATF has always been against terrorists.

Obama and Holder and the DOJ (now), not so much.


8 posted on 09/30/2011 3:05:51 PM PDT by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: PhilosopherStone1000
An entire bureau going under the bus? I think they're going to need to put on the big tires for this job.
9 posted on 09/30/2011 3:06:01 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (Compare "Delay is preferable to error" - Thomas Jefferson // "Pass this bill now!" - Barack Obama)
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To: PhilosopherStone1000

ATF to be consolidated under executive privilege.


10 posted on 09/30/2011 3:06:22 PM PDT by Razzz42
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To: PhilosopherStone1000

Another government agency will just be given more power then the ATF had had in the first place.


11 posted on 09/30/2011 3:06:53 PM PDT by Husker24
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To: PhilosopherStone1000

Holder and Dunham think they can blame their own criminal activity on the people they ordered to perpetrate it.


12 posted on 09/30/2011 3:07:18 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them." --Ronald Reagan)
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To: PhilosopherStone1000

If it was the EPA, NEA, DHS, DOE or HHS I’d probably be impressed.


13 posted on 09/30/2011 3:07:38 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (If you always tell the truth, you won't have to remember what you said.)
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To: 50cal Smokepole

Yes, but let’s keep our eye on the ball here.

Knowingly selling guns to foreign drug cartels who use those guns to kill Americans (not to mention more than 200 Mexicans) solely for the political purpose of strenghening US gun control laws is an impeachable offense.

Heck, Nixon got forced out for covering up a simple breaking and entering. What’s covering up murder worth?


14 posted on 09/30/2011 3:08:36 PM PDT by PhilosopherStone1000
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To: PhilosopherStone1000

good.

but the probably is this guy wants his own domestic army.


15 posted on 09/30/2011 3:08:49 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: PhilosopherStone1000
It'll go away like ACORN went away. In other words, they'll change their letterhead.

WTF does alcohol, tobacco and firearms have to do with each other anyway?

Why don't we have a department of carrots, moonbeams, and electrolytes?

16 posted on 09/30/2011 3:09:28 PM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: PhilosopherStone1000

An obvious attempt to take the heat off of Holder and Obama, as well as a string of others.

Smoke and mirrors.....Does anybody really believe that ACORN no longer exists?


17 posted on 09/30/2011 3:09:34 PM PDT by Gator113 (Palin 2012, period.....)
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To: 50cal Smokepole

I’m with you. ATF and homeland security both should go. Stick with the basic FBI and police forces...back to the basics...that should be plenty good!


18 posted on 09/30/2011 3:09:38 PM PDT by blasater1960 (Deut 30, Psalm 111...the Torah and the Law, is attainable past, present and forever.)
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To: PhilosopherStone1000

Be careful, if they shut down the ATF then they will need a new agency to control gun sales. This means new rules and regulations. Until they get the new agency up to speed no gun sales. Think BP and the oil spill. How’s that drilling for oil in the Gulf going? Never let a crisis go to waste is this administration’s theme!


19 posted on 09/30/2011 3:10:08 PM PDT by Lockbox (`)
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To: dead

“Why don’t we have a department of carrots, moonbeams, and electrolytes?”

You obviously don’t live in California...


20 posted on 09/30/2011 3:11:05 PM PDT by PhilosopherStone1000
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