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U.S. Abandons Space
IBD Editorials ^ | September 30, 2011 | Staff

Posted on 09/30/2011 5:31:19 PM PDT by Kaslin

Exceptionalism: While the American space program is in a museum, Beijing orbits a nearly 9-ton space station module. Soon men will return to the moon, but they will likely be speaking Chinese.

While America was scanning the skies waiting for an aging satellite to fall to earth, China was looking to the skies and seeing its future.

On Thursday, Beijing launched into space aboard a Long March 2F rocket a space station module weighing 8.5 metric tons that will serve as a prototype for a 60-ton Chinese space lab to be in orbit by 2020.

Americans may yawn and say "been there, done that" and, besides, we have other things on our plate right now. But this latest nail in the coffin of American exceptionalism has serious implications for both U.S. leadership and security. China's space program is intimately connected to its military aspirations, and it views space as a venue for more than tadpole experiments.

Not long ago, Capt. Shen Zhong of the Chinese Navy Research Institute said: "The mastery of outer space will be requisite for military victory, with outer space becoming the new venue for combat."

Certainly the Chinese development of an operational anti-satellite program speaks to Beijing's view that space is not a demilitarized zone.

The Tiangong 1 module is expected to remain in orbit for two years. China, the third nation after Russia and America to put humans into space, plans to launch two Shenzhou spacecraft in 2012 for unmanned docking trials. A third may carry a crew to populate the Tiangong 1.

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TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: china; chinaspace; ibd; nasa; obamalateral; space; spaceshuttle
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1 posted on 09/30/2011 5:31:20 PM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

Well hey, we’re giving free money to solar companies cause we have VISION!


2 posted on 09/30/2011 5:32:40 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

wow. This is just sad.


3 posted on 09/30/2011 5:33:59 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: Kaslin

Could it be that we have failed to elect leaders with vision.


4 posted on 09/30/2011 5:34:34 PM PDT by Rapscallion (This administration is so bad even their corruption is incompetent)
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To: Rapscallion

IMO our leaders vision is to help other countries to the detriment of America.


5 posted on 09/30/2011 5:35:42 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Kaslin

We can all thank former President Billy Jeff for ensuring the Chinese got the knowhow we developed with our blood, sweat, tears, and genius ....


6 posted on 09/30/2011 5:38:40 PM PDT by Ken522
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To: Kaslin
The crushing of the American spirit and turning the culture into a dependency promoting can't do value system will be remembered as one of Obama’s great accomplishments in the destruction of the country.
7 posted on 09/30/2011 5:38:51 PM PDT by Truth29
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To: Kaslin
Americans may yawn and say "been there, done that" and, besides, we have other things on our plate right now.

Yes, there are hungry mouths to feed. I am sounding like a broken record on this.

8 posted on 09/30/2011 5:39:12 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I like both Perry and Palin, and will vote for whichever of them wins.)
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To: Cyber Liberty
Yes, there are hungry mouths to feed.

Then let the hungry mouths feed themselves. Or ask their families or churches or communities for help. It sure isn't the role of government.

There's an old sentiment that if someone doesn't work, he shouldn't eat.

/johnny

9 posted on 09/30/2011 5:42:23 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (gone Galt)
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To: Ken522

Ah, but Clinton is a good Democrat, so he will never be called out on anything by the MSM or other liberals.

And anybody who says anything against Clinton can be accused of bringing up the past, rehashing old arguments, etc. meaning we should all just shut up.

Of course, these same people endlessly analyze every single detail of the Bush administration, and tell us why every single action taken by Bush was wrong.


10 posted on 09/30/2011 5:42:56 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Rapscallion
"Where the leaders have no vision, the people perish."

/johnny

11 posted on 09/30/2011 5:44:14 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (gone Galt)
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To: Rapscallion
Could it be that we have failed to elect leaders with vision.

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Err, uhh... no, we have vision to make Muslims feel good about their contribution to science and technology. My administration has determined that Muslims apparently feel much better when they have destroyed something. So you see, in that light, destroying our space program makes sense. Ya feelin' me?

12 posted on 09/30/2011 5:46:46 PM PDT by newheart (When does policy become treason?)
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To: Kaslin

The reality is that folks (or countries) that are broke just can’t afford such luxuries.


13 posted on 09/30/2011 5:47:05 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th
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To: Kaslin
Gee, what are SpaceX, Lockheed Martin, Boeing, and Dream Chaser doing then? Building spaceships. We have had a dry spell in the past between designs; but with four different models, they're not likely to happen as often.

The Chinese Long March 2F has a vibration problem that needs to be fixed, or they will have too many sick taikonauts to work. The crews of Shenzhou 5 and 6 both noticed it.

14 posted on 09/30/2011 5:53:42 PM PDT by GAB-1955 (I write books, love my wife, serve my nation, and believe in the Resurrection.)
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To: Kaslin

Excuse me, but as a 10 year veteran of the US space program, manned and unmanned, I’d like to question the premise of this editorial. First, we STILL put payloads into orbit. Period. We do that fine and guys like Spacex are WORLDBEATERS at it. Second, we are at the dawn of private spaceflight. Ask Scaled Composites’ Burt Rutan about that? He and Richard Branson are lining up paying customers to fly in zero-G. Third, so it’s not gummint space. So what! We can do it better faster and cheaper than the Ruskies and the ChiComs and they admit it! The Space Scuttle (TM) should have been moth balled years ago. Its 1970s technology was expensive an unreliable. There are a number of high dollar NASA programs that are very vulnerable right now. And they should be. Let the capitalists do it!!!

Heads up Americans this article is propaganda by the same folks who funded Solyndra. Don’t buy the FUD. Yes there are some things government can do to help US space capabilities. Mainly stay out of the way and pay the pros to put a few payloads up. New man-rated systems? New heavy lift? Nope.

Check this out if you want some valid information on the subject ...

http://blog.nss.org/?p=3080&cpage=1


15 posted on 09/30/2011 5:57:31 PM PDT by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules)
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To: driftdiver

BINGO


16 posted on 09/30/2011 5:57:51 PM PDT by mcshot (The union label was once considered desirable but will now be avoided.)
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To: Ken522
China had rockets and satellites before Bill Clinton. He gave them what American companies wanted to give them because at the time there were more sats that needed launching than either the U.S. or the Russians could launch. Should he have done that? No. But he wasn't the only one who thought of it.

The Chinese stuff isn't perfect. Note my previous post about vibration problems with the Long March 2F booster. Their aircraft have performance problems as well. Note the J-10 interceptor, or what I call “General Tso’s Raptor”. It has the outward appearance of the F-22 with a lengthened fuselage, but does it have the radars, the ability to snap shoot, and the maneuverability? I don't think so. More typical of Chinese fighters is the J-7, which they sell to Pakistan.

17 posted on 09/30/2011 5:58:02 PM PDT by GAB-1955
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To: Kaslin

Makes a lot of sense when all of our enemies see it as the new battleground from which to launch offensive strikes.


18 posted on 09/30/2011 5:58:42 PM PDT by Safrguns
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To: Kaslin
Obama's vision for the future of NASA....


19 posted on 09/30/2011 6:09:32 PM PDT by sjmjax (Politicans are like bananas - they start out green, turn yellow, then rot.)
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To: Kaslin
This is Obama's Sputnik Moment. NO satellites, no men in space and foreign mastery. Fortunately we will have plenty of shovel ready jobs for those scientists, engineers and Astronauts.

The EPA plans to ban inhalers to protect the ozone layer. Shovel ready jobs? Someone has to dig the graves!

20 posted on 09/30/2011 6:24:24 PM PDT by Young Werther (Julius Caesar said "Quae cum ita sunt. Since these things are so.".)
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To: Kaslin

Obama is now sicking the DOT on the model rocket industry to change model rocket motors from being classified as a Flammable Solid to an Explosive to make shipping costs outrageous even though there has never been an event of a model rocket motor exploding while in transit. Think this will discourage children from reaching for the stars? Of course!

Here’s a letter below about the situation.


Dear AeroTech Product Representative:

Urgent Notice - Your Immediate Action Is Needed, Send Your E-Mail By October 10th, Help preserve your rights regarding model rocketry.

Dear AeroTech Customer,

Many people are concerned with new government regulations that seem destined to limit our freedoms as well as those that affect our hobbies. You may have heard of some recently that affect various hobbies.

New regulations are being considered regarding model rocket motors. This may not immediately impact your access to model rocket materials but it’s just another step toward more restrictive regulations concerning our hobby and deserves your attention.

The US Department of Transportation (DOT) has recently advised that they propose to terminate a special permit under which model rocket motors and igniters have been shipped for the last 33 years. If the permit is terminated model rocket motors and igniters will no longer be able to be shipped as “Flammable Solids” and will instead have to be shipped as “Explosives.”

In 33 years there have been no incidents involved in the shipping and transporting of model rocket motors and igniters. The model rocket industry needs your support in order to continue to make our product available. Attached is a sample e-mail that we request you send immediately to express your support.

We believe that shipping model rocket motors and igniters as “Explosives” would only cause unnecessary concern for hobby shops, educators, youth group leaders and families using model rockets for educational and recreational purposes.

If you believe as we do, please send an e-mail to the Department of Transportation no later than October 10, 2011. To assist you, here is a sample e-mail:

TO: specialpermits@dot.gov
Subject: DOT-SP 7887 Show Cause Response
Dear Associate Administrator,
The purpose of this e-mail is to request that DOT-SP 7887 be kept in force as written. The Special Permit, previously DOT-E 7887 has been in place since 1978 and is used by many of us who enjoy hobbies including model rockets, motors and igniters.

To my knowledge, there has never been an incident involving the shipping and transporting of model rocket motors and igniters. Further I believe that shipping these products as “Explosives” will create unnecessary fear and difficulty for those handling, transporting, receiving, storing, selling and using these products.

After 33 years of use, the termination of the Special Permit is unwarranted and possibly damaging to an educational and recreational product that has an excellent record. In closing, I again request the Special Permit be kept in place as written.
- Your Name and Address

Please take a few minutes to send your e-mail today!
Thank you very much for your support of model rocketry.


Sincerely,

RCS, Inc.
AeroTech Division
2113 W 850 N
Cedar City, UT 84721
Ph: 435-865-7100 Ext. 104
Fax: 435-865-7120


21 posted on 09/30/2011 6:34:52 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Kaslin

This is no longer the 1950s....that America no longer exists. We are, in many respects, a welfare nation with almost 50% of the population not paying any taxes. We have no borders & the crimes we see committed on a daily basis were unheard of in our nations past. Space programs are run by serious nations....I don’t know if we are a serious nation any longer.


22 posted on 09/30/2011 6:42:53 PM PDT by LongWayHome
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To: Kaslin

Hey we’re still the front runners... Nasa’s new directive is to push climate change.


23 posted on 09/30/2011 6:48:35 PM PDT by 3boysdad (The very elect.)
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To: Kaslin

“China’s space program is intimately connected to its military aspirations, and it views space as a venue for more than tadpole experiments.”

Space will be the first theater of operation in the next world war.


24 posted on 09/30/2011 6:56:17 PM PDT by Rebelbase (Cain/Rubio?)
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To: JRandomFreeper

You have got that right!! Amen.


25 posted on 09/30/2011 6:58:51 PM PDT by BatGuano (You don't think I'd go into combat with loose change in my pocket, do ya?)
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To: 3boysdad

“Nasa’s new directive is to push climate change.”

What? We’re no longer doing Muslim Outreach?!

What’s a space agency to do?


26 posted on 09/30/2011 7:11:54 PM PDT by Tigerized
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To: RKV
Mainly stay out of the way and pay the pros to put a few payloads up.

Preach it, brother! Amen! Get gooberment out.

/johnny

27 posted on 09/30/2011 7:17:15 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (gone Galt)
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To: Kaslin
We spend our treasure hiring lawyers to sue, harass and stifle private industry.
And most work for the government; so we are taxed to do it.
28 posted on 09/30/2011 7:20:41 PM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (I love how the FR spellchecker doesn't recognize the word "Obama")
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To: Kaslin
They have a plan, they have a mission.

Something the U.S. space program has lacked for many years.

And this isn't the first time the U.S. has left space to other countries. We had no manned missions between 1975 and 1981. I doubt that it'll be six years before another American craft is in space...but this time I think it'll be sent there by a private company.

29 posted on 09/30/2011 7:21:34 PM PDT by SoJoCo
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To: Rebelbase

“Space will be the first theater of operation in the next world war.”

This will not end well.


30 posted on 09/30/2011 7:24:43 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: Tigerized
What? We’re no longer doing Muslim Outreach?!<<<<<

LOL! Muslim Outreach?! Are you kidding me! Every community in America now has some simblance or element of a mosque! Even here in Wyoming one can witness a burka walking down the street. And to think some noob troll on another thread is worried about the wolves in Idaho!

31 posted on 09/30/2011 7:27:33 PM PDT by 3boysdad (The very elect.)
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To: SoJoCo
...but this time I think it'll be sent there by a private company.<<<<<

All the more reason to get the space program out of the hands of NASA and give it to the military. Space is a matter of national defense.

32 posted on 09/30/2011 7:31:24 PM PDT by 3boysdad (The very elect.)
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To: Kaslin
Nobody can destroy like Obama, the ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT IN CHIEF!


33 posted on 09/30/2011 7:38:23 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple: Fight or Die)
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To: combat_boots

He who militarizes there first will be the winner. And the funny thing is it’s only a few hundred miles from here.


34 posted on 09/30/2011 7:41:41 PM PDT by Rebelbase (Cain/Rubio?)
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To: JRandomFreeper

I gotta say, most of the commenters on this thread need to get some INFORMATION. The end of gummint space is by no means the end of space exploration. A little comparative history - the initial explorations of the new world were gummint funded - think Columbus, 1492 and all that. Afterwards, private persons started sending ships. That is pretty much where we are - transitioning from big gummint to capitalism. That is a good place to be actually. If the gummint will get the hell out of the way, that is.


35 posted on 09/30/2011 7:42:24 PM PDT by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules)
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To: Rebelbase

In case you have not guessed, space is militarized. Already. I personally helped get a few of those surveillance satellites up there.


36 posted on 09/30/2011 7:44:04 PM PDT by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules)
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To: Rapscallion
Could it be that we have failed to elect leaders with vision

No, that is not correct. Democracy worked, and a President was elected that had vision that matched the desires of the electorate.

And herein lies the problem. The US democracy is in such a shape that if new elections were to be held the new President will be the guy who promises most handouts and entitlements at cost of everything else (including reason, reality and laws of physics.) Life is hard; but the electorate doesn't want to hear that message. Obama was elected because he promised what the voters wanted.

China is free of these democratic experiments, of course. China is ruled by a closed society. Once you are in you are set for life, just like US Supreme Court judges. This frees the party bosses from the need to appease voters. The party simply asks their analysts "What is the rational thing to do in this and that situation?" and does what analysts come up with. These may be unpopular decisions, but China has enough tanks to deal with that little problem. In the end, however, the country is ruled by reason - even though it tramples the rights and needs of an individual. (That's how Communism was supposed to be anyway.) A country that is ruled by reason of course will overtake a country that is ruled by populism.

37 posted on 09/30/2011 7:47:14 PM PDT by Greysard
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To: RKV

“I personally helped get a few of those surveillance satellites up there.”

And which ever side’s interceptors in orbit is first to take out the other side is the winner.


38 posted on 09/30/2011 7:47:36 PM PDT by Rebelbase (Cain/Rubio?)
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To: Kaslin
no... the BOY abandoned space! America will prolly go back when the mutt is gone...
39 posted on 09/30/2011 7:57:39 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: combat_boots
This will not end well.

For who, though?

If we have the will, we have thousands of craft capable of reaching up and touching LEO space, at minimum. All ya gotta do is replace the nukes with kinetic kill vehicles and change the software a little to get rid of those pesky orbital things.

Or not. Leave the nukes, change the software.

We still own the high ground.

/johnny

40 posted on 09/30/2011 8:02:43 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (gone Galt)
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To: Kaslin
And just how is it that the Chinese were able to overcome their problems with getting a two stage rocket to work?

Let's go back to the origins of the TREASONOUS ACT that "fixed" their problem. Let's review: Also read RUSH: MY CONVERSATION WITH REP.CHISTOPHER COX ( A repost of 08/28/2000 ~~ NK discussed)

Why is it, that every time a Democrat is in the White House, they give the Communists our secrets?
41 posted on 09/30/2011 8:03:35 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple: Fight or Die)
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To: Greysard
including reason, reality and laws of physics.

Well, that problem is self correcting in the long run. See Kipling's 'Gods of the Copybook Headings'.

Sure, it takes time. But water is wet, fire burns, and there isn't anything libs can do to change that.

/johnny

42 posted on 09/30/2011 8:06:04 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (gone Galt)
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To: RKV

I’m wondering why we need to thumb a ride to the space station.


43 posted on 09/30/2011 8:08:52 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear (No More RINOs!!!)
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To: Grizzled Bear

It happened before after Apollo ended. It won’t last long. You ever had your car in the shop and had to leg it for a bit? Same difference.


44 posted on 09/30/2011 8:12:45 PM PDT by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules)
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To: Kaslin
Also remember:
Also available is

NEVER FORGET:
45 posted on 09/30/2011 8:20:46 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple: Fight or Die)
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To: RKV

Great news! The USA controls LEO Space Tourism, China’s PLA controls everythng above that. Sweet. /s


46 posted on 10/01/2011 2:54:44 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: PIF

You have no idea what you are talking about.


47 posted on 10/01/2011 5:19:55 AM PDT by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules)
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To: Grizzled Bear

Because the US has no way to get there.


48 posted on 10/01/2011 5:32:23 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Kaslin

Ya, American exceptionalism is so like, 20th Century.


49 posted on 10/01/2011 6:06:44 AM PDT by Molon Labbie
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To: Kaslin

Obama sets goal to not put a man on the moon so we do not have to successfully return him to Earth.


50 posted on 10/01/2011 6:10:07 AM PDT by bmwcyle (Obama is a Communist, a Muslim, and an illegal alien)
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