Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Killing of U.S.-born terrorist raises questions (Can the rookie Hussein assassinate?)
The Eagle ^ | 10/01/11 | MATT APUZZO

Posted on 10/01/2011 5:55:13 AM PDT by Libloather

Killing of U.S.-born terrorist raises questions
By MATT APUZZO
Associated Press
Published Saturday, October 01, 2011 12:06 AM

WASHINGTON -- President Barack Obama steered the nation's war machine into uncharted territory Friday when a U.S. drone attacked a convoy in Yemen and killed two American citizens who had become central figures in al-Qaida.

It was believed to be the first instance in which a U.S. citizen was tracked and executed based on secret intelligence and the president's say-so. And it raised major questions about the limitations of presidential power.

**SNIP**

"This court recognizes the somewhat unsettling nature of its conclusion -- that there are circumstances in which the executive's unilateral decision to kill a U.S. citizen overseas is 'constitutionally committed to the political branches' and judicially unreviewable," Bates wrote. "But this case squarely presents such a circumstance."

(Excerpt) Read more at theeagle.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: killing; questions; terrorist; yemen
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-100101-110 next last
Licence to kill
President Obama has assassinated a US citizen via drone strike. Yet his supporters are shamefully silent.
1 posted on 10/01/2011 5:55:20 AM PDT by Libloather
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: Libloather

It raised one question for me: can you go get the rest?


2 posted on 10/01/2011 5:58:13 AM PDT by healy61
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Libloather

Well, at least they didn’t waterboard him.


3 posted on 10/01/2011 5:58:18 AM PDT by Loyal Buckeye
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Libloather

While the dude was a US Citizen on paper he was sitting on the wrong side of the fence when the bomb dropped.

Now if he was sitting on US soil at the time I “might” have a different view.

Bonnie and Clyde were US citizens on US soil but I don’t consider them “assassinated”.


4 posted on 10/01/2011 6:00:34 AM PDT by PeteB570 ( Islam is the sea in which the Terrorist Shark swims. The deeper the sea the larger the shark.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Libloather

Had he even been indicted? Bin Laden was at least indicted and he wasn’t even a US citizen.


5 posted on 10/01/2011 6:00:52 AM PDT by tobyhill (A Democrat that doesn't lie would be a lie)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Libloather
The U.S. Case Against Awlaki

The U.S. government also notes that in January a Yemeni court sentenced Awlaki in absentia to ten years in prison for “forming an armed gang” to target foreigners and law enforcement personnel.

0bama had a lot of time to get his ducks in a row to do this.

6 posted on 10/01/2011 6:02:27 AM PDT by EBH (God Humbles Nations, Leaders, and Peoples before He uses them for His Purpose)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: PeteB570
While the dude was a US Citizen on paper he was sitting on the wrong side of the fence when the bomb dropped.

Uh...no. He was targetted with a drone and they used facial recognition technolgy to be sure it was him.

7 posted on 10/01/2011 6:04:11 AM PDT by EBH (God Humbles Nations, Leaders, and Peoples before He uses them for His Purpose)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: PeteB570

I agree with you. It isn’t like we could really “extradite” him, could we? I see him as a “citizen” in name only and was an enemy. Plain and simple. Now, if he was on U.S. soil... I would think differently. I don’t think we should have risked one life of a S.E.A.L. or Delta (or whatever group would have been used for a raid of sorts). As I get older, I think that saying from Slingblade is true... “some people just need killin’”


8 posted on 10/01/2011 6:04:18 AM PDT by momtothree
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: Libloather; Chode

Chode offered the following analysis in another thread:

when Anwar al-Awlaki came to study in the US, he came on a foreign student visa. You see, even though al-Awlaki was born in Las Cruces, New Mexico, his parents were not American citizens. In fact, after his father completed his studies here, the family returned to Yemen. Anwar would not even be considered a 14th Amendment citizen, which states “All person born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.” Anwar’s parents were never US citizens, nor did they intend to become citizens; neither did his parents have “a permanent domicile and residence in the United States,” which is the standard according to the Supreme court decision in United States vs Wong Kim Ark.

According to the State Department, there are different rules, and, since al-Awlaki came to the US on a scholarship from Yemen, we can assume that he renounced his US citizenship, because Yemen does not recognize dual citizenship. Furthermore, his father was the Agriculture Minister in Yemen. Otherwise, why would al-Awlaki have come on a foreign student visa to study in Colorado in 1991?


9 posted on 10/01/2011 6:04:30 AM PDT by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Libloather

al-Qaida is a terrorist orginization that has declared war on the US. This POS, regardless of citizenship, joined that orginization and furthered its cause. The enemy is the enemy and he was part of it.


10 posted on 10/01/2011 6:05:10 AM PDT by umgud
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: EBH
Uh....Yes, he was on the wrong side of the fence. He was in the enemy camp so if he was IDed or not does not change the fact that he was sitting in the enemy's camp.

Only thing that could have made it better would have been to have had a CNN news crew sitting next to him at the time - but that is just my jaded opinion only and is not meant to reflect on the majority opinion of kindhearted posters on Free Republic.

11 posted on 10/01/2011 6:09:44 AM PDT by PeteB570 ( Islam is the sea in which the Terrorist Shark swims. The deeper the sea the larger the shark.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: Loyal Buckeye

Better to be judged by nine than carried by 6.


12 posted on 10/01/2011 6:09:44 AM PDT by steve8714 (America is getting soft. We have guys wearing mommy jeans, probably with no fly.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: momtothree; PeteB570

So you think the president ought to have the power to decide, on his own, who is guilty and have him killed? Do you not realize that Obama could decide tomorrow that conservative Christians are potential terrorists due to their pro-life views? I’m as happy as the next person that this thug is dead, but we are in more danger from a government that ignores the law than we are from terrorists. The Constitution is being shredded, and none of us will be safe.


13 posted on 10/01/2011 6:10:13 AM PDT by Pining_4_TX ( The state is the great fiction by which everybody seeks to live at the expense of everybody else. ~)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: Libloather

It won’t be long until my posts on Free Republic lead to drones circling high above my house.


14 posted on 10/01/2011 6:11:11 AM PDT by ConservaTexan (February 6, 1911)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Libloather

With ALL the evidence the Government supposedly had against him, why there no indictment months ago?


15 posted on 10/01/2011 6:12:40 AM PDT by tobyhill (A Democrat that doesn't lie would be a lie)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Pining_4_TX

Dude take off the tin foil hat.

The scum was not on US soil at the time and was engaged in warfare against the US.

When the US Government starts doing air strikes on US churches get back with me.


16 posted on 10/01/2011 6:12:50 AM PDT by PeteB570 ( Islam is the sea in which the Terrorist Shark swims. The deeper the sea the larger the shark.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: Pining_4_TX

I see us as in WAR. Things are different in war. Granted, I see your concern about this being used as a stepping stone. I truly do. However, Conservative Christians aren’t responsible for blowing up buildings, figuring out ways to use biological weapons etc... In fact, they are more of a target to Muslim extremists like this. I agree that this is a gray area and up to interpretation; however, I am not losing any sleep over this one.


17 posted on 10/01/2011 6:16:13 AM PDT by momtothree
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: EBH

Cool


18 posted on 10/01/2011 6:16:21 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: Incorrigible
Otherwise, why would al-Awlaki have come on a foreign student visa to study in Colorado in 1991?

The other question is he was here preaching in a mosque, we didn't take him then?

In 1994, Awlaki earned a bachelor's degree in civil engineering from Colorado State University. By his late 20s, he had become an imam and spiritual leader, first in San Diego and later at a mosque in Falls Church, Va., outside Washington. His soft-spoken lectures on Islamic scripture were recorded and distributed internationally, making him a celebrity among English-speaking Muslims around the world. Awlaki: From San Diego Cleric To Wanted Terrorist

I would also submit to find out if he was here as an American or if he remained on a foreign visa?

19 posted on 10/01/2011 6:16:24 AM PDT by EBH (God Humbles Nations, Leaders, and Peoples before He uses them for His Purpose)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: healy61

It was an act of war. Some American born men fought for Germany, Italy and Japan during World War II. There were Japanese-Americans in Hiroshima. Roosevelt did not need to get an indictment in order for a P-47 to strafe any convoy that might happen to have “Americans” riding in it. The Constitution specifically gives the President the right, nay the duty, to suppress rebellions, and as a practical matter you cannot do that in a law court.


20 posted on 10/01/2011 6:17:55 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Ceterum autem censeo, Obama delenda est.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Pining_4_TX

Whatever happened to “WANTED: DEAD OR ALIVE?”


21 posted on 10/01/2011 6:18:37 AM PDT by Lady Lucky
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: Pining_4_TX

I bet the families of the Ft. Hood massacre are happy.


22 posted on 10/01/2011 6:19:32 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: Libloather
Isn't it ironic that foreign terrorists are given every right and a US citizen has no rights?

Of course, he was an anchor baby, no?

I am dense and to me it doesn't add up.

23 posted on 10/01/2011 6:22:43 AM PDT by mckenzie7 (Democrats = Trough Sloppers!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Lady Lucky

At the very least the Justice Dept should have gotten an indictment months ago.


24 posted on 10/01/2011 6:23:06 AM PDT by tobyhill (A Democrat that doesn't lie would be a lie)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: Libloather

I believe Awlaki had dual citizenship. If he’s not a 100% American, then he’s not American. Dual citizenship is crap; I don’t care who it is. I’m very pro-Israel, but even they need to decide if they’re Israelis or Americans. Awlaki was a Yemeni terrorist. Period. He’s dead. Good.


25 posted on 10/01/2011 6:24:38 AM PDT by MayflowerMadam
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: PeteB570
Bonnie and Clyde were US citizens on US soil but I don’t consider them “assassinated”.

There were also a bunch of "Wanted Dead or Alive" signs for Bonnie and Clyde.

Where were the "Wanted Dead or Alive" signs for the terrorist? Or, does the POTUS have to rule on each and every one these days?

26 posted on 10/01/2011 6:26:53 AM PDT by olezip
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: Loyal Buckeye
Well, at least they didn’t waterboard him.

Exactly...

I wonder if the NYTimes pointed that out.

27 posted on 10/01/2011 6:27:04 AM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: tobyhill
With ALL the evidence the Government supposedly had against him, why there no indictment months ago?

Obama didn't want to capture him. Then he might have to take him to Gitmo.

28 posted on 10/01/2011 6:29:09 AM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: Libloather

I thought this guy was on our side..He sounds like Code Pink and the other moronic morons out there..I say kill all the murdering fools..Ron Paul the terrorist lover..

http://www.mediaite.com/online/ron-paul-condemns-obama-administration-for-assasinating-u-s-born-anwar-al-awlaki/


29 posted on 10/01/2011 6:29:43 AM PDT by PLD
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: mckenzie7
Isn't it ironic that foreign terrorists are given every right and a US citizen has no rights?

Bears repeating. I'm shocked at all the folks who think any US Citizen being deemed a target for killing by a President is just dandy. If a previous President had thought of this, he could have simply declared Randy Weaver an "enemy of the state" and then strafed his house from the air.

It could easily be any one of us next time.

30 posted on 10/01/2011 6:31:06 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I like both Perry and Palin, and will vote for whichever of them wins.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

To: PeteB570

Probably looked like this:

http://youtu.be/Ve_ctzZPdZk


31 posted on 10/01/2011 6:31:22 AM PDT by EBH (God Humbles Nations, Leaders, and Peoples before He uses them for His Purpose)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: PeteB570; momofthree

Do you remember the uproar when some state officials told officers to be on the lookout for potential domestic “terrorists” based on bumper stickers, such as pro-life bumper stickers? Liberals are trying to shut conservatives up, and I’m sure they would love to be able to lock us up. The only thing stopping them is the protection we have under our Constitution, and that protection has to apply to all American citizens.

Are you saying it’s OK for the president to have someone killed just because they are not on US soil? We have trials for the worst, most violent people in the US, and that is to stop us from becoming a police state. The Soviet Union was the country where the government could declare someone to be an enemy of the state with no proof nor trial and just execute him. Is that what we want to become?

As for this being war, war is what politicians always use as an excuse to suspend our rights and curtail our freedom. What is a war on terror anyway? It’s not like a war on a country. Terror is a tactic, so when does “terror” sit down and sign surrender papers? Saying we are in a war on terror means we will be in a state of perpetual war, because terror will always be with us. If laws can be suspended during war, then look for further erosion of our rights and liberties.

If I were made Queen (so, you see I am a Dudette and not a Dude), I would go for the home run. I would ban the Islamic religion in the US and deport all Muslims. Might as well do something with all that power that would really make us safer.


32 posted on 10/01/2011 6:33:16 AM PDT by Pining_4_TX ( The state is the great fiction by which everybody seeks to live at the expense of everybody else. ~)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: ilovesarah2012

I’m sure they are. I am, too, that this guy is dead. What I am not happy about is having a president that can make himself judge and executioner. We don’t need no stinkin’ laws.


33 posted on 10/01/2011 6:34:48 AM PDT by Pining_4_TX ( The state is the great fiction by which everybody seeks to live at the expense of everybody else. ~)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: PeteB570
I hope His Yemeni citizenship and Muslim name were not held against him when the order to snuff him was given. If we simply called him Andy instead of Anwar and sent him to Harvard, his life could have been so different.
34 posted on 10/01/2011 6:34:59 AM PDT by PA-RIVER
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: Libloather

Kill more islamists.


35 posted on 10/01/2011 6:35:13 AM PDT by onedoug (If)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Dr. Scarpetta
An indictment doesn't mean they couldn't kill him under the rules of war but it would have alleviated any questions about legality in hitting a US Citizen.

Even Bin Laden was indicted.

The old saying is, you can indict a ham sandwich.

36 posted on 10/01/2011 6:35:13 AM PDT by tobyhill (A Democrat that doesn't lie would be a lie)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies]

To: momtothree

You forget that, to the Left, as Rush has pointed out on many occasions, WE are more feared and hated as a danger to this country than any muslim terrorist.

How are we going to stop them from going after the really big threats instead of just extreme muslim terrorists?


37 posted on 10/01/2011 6:37:00 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Overproduction, one of the top five worries of the American Farmer each and every year..)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: Lady Lucky

You know, I had not thought about that. I wonder how that came about in the old West? That is really interesting. They had lynch mobs, too, but it would seem that there may have not been much concern about those things then. I wonder when all that changed?


38 posted on 10/01/2011 6:37:24 AM PDT by Pining_4_TX ( The state is the great fiction by which everybody seeks to live at the expense of everybody else. ~)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: healy61

It raised one question for me too, who’s next? Beck, limbaugh,hannity or anyone that gets in his way?


39 posted on 10/01/2011 6:42:17 AM PDT by muddler (Diligentia, Vis and Celeritas)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Cyber Liberty

Nothing new. Eric Holder was working for Janet Reno the last time.

Sometimes an American President needs to kill American citizens without trials.


40 posted on 10/01/2011 6:44:36 AM PDT by PA-RIVER
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 30 | View Replies]

To: Libloather
Anwar al-Awlaki came to study in the US, he came on a foreign student visa. You see, even though al-Awlaki was born in Las Cruces, New Mexico, his parents were not American citizens. In fact, after his father completed his studies here, the family returned to Yemen. Anwar would not even be considered a 14th Amendment citizen, which states "All person born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside." Anwar's parents were never US citizens, nor did they intend to become citizens; neither did his parents have "a permanent domicile and residence in the United States,"  which is the standard according to the Supreme court decision in United States vs Wong Kim Ark.

According to the State Department, there are different rules, and, since al-Awlaki came to the US on a scholarship from Yemen, we can assume that he renounced his US citizenship, because Yemen does not recognize dual citizenship. Furthermore, his father was the Agriculture Minister in Yemen. Otherwise, why would al-Awlaki have come on a foreign student visa to study in Colorado in 1991?

41 posted on 10/01/2011 6:44:55 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Pining_4_TX

Justice memo authorized killing of Al-Awlaki

The Washington Post reports that a secret Justice Department memo sanctioned the killing of Awlaki, a U.S. citizen who became an al Qaeda propagandist and operational leader.

The document followed a review by senior administration lawyers of the legal issues raised by the lethal targeting of a U.S. citizen. Administration officials told the Post that there was no dissent about the legality of the killing.

The administration has faced criticism - and a legal challenge - over its targeting of Awlaki, who was born in New Mexico to Yemeni parents. The memorandum may represent an attempt to resolve a legal debate over whether a U.S. president can order the killing of American citizens.

With regard to the killing as a counter-terrorism measure, the memo deems, in the words of one officials, “due process in war.”

The killing of a U.S. jihadist

“The administration has tried to make very clear that this was an act of self-defense, that Awlaki was part of not only al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, the al Qaeda affiliate in Yemen, but he was the external operations chief. He was ongoing in his plotting against American citizens - not only having done so in the past, but continuing to do so in an imminent way,” said CBS News national security analyst Juan Zarate.

“So based on the rules of self-defense, based on the principles that we’re at war with al Qaeda and the fact that he was a part of the group, self-professed, all of that suggests that it’s lawful and appropriate to go after him and to kill him,” Zarate said.

When asked if the drone attack against a U.S. citizen - in effect, execution without trial - sets a precedent, Zarate said, “It’s a good question - you run the risk of a slippery slope here. I think people are asking very appropriate questions about what the limits of the government’s power can be in terms of going after Americans who are part of al Qaeda, and we’ve seen in the recent past that Americans have formed more and more part of the al Qaeda network - not just Anwar al-Awlaki, but others. There are important questions to ask about what the process is and what the procedures are to determine who is an imminent danger to the United States.”

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/10/01/earlyshow/saturday/main20114273.shtml

Should Bin Laden have been captured and tried in an American court? As someone posted on this thread, it really isn’t clear that Al-Awlaki was really an American citizen anyway. I am very glad he’s gone and hopefully that idiot Gaddan (spelling?) will be next.


42 posted on 10/01/2011 6:48:31 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 33 | View Replies]

To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Nice shootin’.

Thanks Libloather.


43 posted on 10/01/2011 6:50:34 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: muddler
I would think Terrorist racist Opposition party members are fare game.

Tea Party, Al Qaida, GOP, Taliban ... whatever. Joe Biden has labeled them all Terrorists and Barbarians. Fire up the drones.

44 posted on 10/01/2011 6:51:58 AM PDT by PA-RIVER
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 39 | View Replies]

To: healy61

Friendly fire LOL.


45 posted on 10/01/2011 6:52:31 AM PDT by boomop1
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: ilovesarah2012

I am glad he is gone, too, but you have more faith in the Obama Justice Dept. than I do. They would gladly say we are at war forever if it meant they could suspend the Constitution for their own ends.


46 posted on 10/01/2011 7:01:03 AM PDT by Pining_4_TX ( The state is the great fiction by which everybody seeks to live at the expense of everybody else. ~)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 42 | View Replies]

To: Pining_4_TX
This does call into question the citizenship granted to children of foreign citizens. Maybe we shouldn't be naturalizing them at birth. Maybe they should get it when they turn 21 after residing here and adopting our culture first instead of their home countries culture.

I think The Time Square Bomber was also a son of Foreign citizens, yet naturalized at birth.

Expecting Muslims born to Foreign citizens in America to be Loyal Americans is proving to be a very naive assumption.

47 posted on 10/01/2011 7:04:30 AM PDT by PA-RIVER
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 32 | View Replies]

To: PA-RIVER

“Expecting Muslims born to Foreign citizens in America to be Loyal Americans is proving to be a very naive assumption.”

Indeed. Or as I like to call them, members of club FTA (Future Terrorists of America). Islam is not compatible with a free society.


48 posted on 10/01/2011 7:09:04 AM PDT by Pining_4_TX ( The state is the great fiction by which everybody seeks to live at the expense of everybody else. ~)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 47 | View Replies]

To: Pining_4_TX

I have NO faith in the Obama DOJ. I think killing him was legal, though, and if Obama kills a few more terrorists, I think it would be great.


49 posted on 10/01/2011 7:09:07 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 46 | View Replies]

To: ilovesarah2012

Well, you have faith enough in Obama to trust him to decide who is a terrorist and who isn’t. I don’t trust him for anything. He has already shown what contempt he has for conservative Christians, the “bitter clingers”.


50 posted on 10/01/2011 7:12:39 AM PDT by Pining_4_TX ( The state is the great fiction by which everybody seeks to live at the expense of everybody else. ~)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 49 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-100101-110 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson