Skip to comments.Why Gov. Rick Perry is Wrong about a Border Fence
Posted on 10/01/2011 6:25:08 AM PDT by BarnacleCenturion
Rick Perry can't get out of his own way. During the presidential debates, he has reviled three immigration issues that Republicans hold dear: passing mandatory E-Verify legislation, rejecting federal and state versions of the DREAM Act, and building a border fence.
About E-Verify, Perry foolishly claims that it would not make "a hill of beans" worth of difference. Regarding the DREAM Act, Perry said that those who disagree with his decision to enact it in 2001 "don't have a heart." As for the border fence, Perry insists that it is "idiocy" to build it.
The debates represented Perry's chance to moderate his immigration rhetoric, more in line with liberal Democrats than restrictionist Republicans, and reach out to skeptical conservatives. Instead, by performing his difficult-to-achieve hat trick, Perry has turned off most of the GOP and has dropped from the top of the candidates' list to also-ran status.
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Do you think Perry can win without Texas?
Before you huff, “Of course he’s going to win Texas” consider this: At one time California was Republican; then, using the same approach Perry espouses, CA veered sharply Left, all due to the overwhelming illegals corrupting the voting process at all levels.
Texas is headed the same way, it’s just 10 or 15 years behind.
SO, if Perry were sincere in his beliefs, he would announce and SHOW everyone how he too can win a presidential election without Texas.
Because, if Perry’s views win the day, Republicans will HAVE to win without Texas and California both.
Show us Perry, show us how its done.
It wasn’t just Hispanics and illegals turning CA left, it was the Hollyweird types and Flower Children. Texas doesn’t have much of the latter.
Had Perry run on a hardline platform he’d have never become governor in the first place.
Perry, a rino after George Bush’s heart who was a globalist first and an American seconds.
I have stood next to the border fence in California. True, a determined person or organization can get over it. But its an important symbol. Its like the six foot ornamental fence surrounding your property. It makes a statement. This is my property, stay off. Will that keep off someone determined to cross your property? No. But it will keep off the other 99% who would otherwise cross. Its a boundary and boundaries are important in relationships. If you allow someone to cross your boundaries they lose respect for you and then they begin to mistreat you. They begin to assume that what is yours can be theirs for the taking.
Incidentally, abused people have no boundaries. I have often thought that liberals have been subjected to great abuse and have no boundaries and they therefore think that nobody should have boundaries. Think about their attitudes on sex; essentially, nobody can say no without offending. Remember, It wasnt rape rape.
You made a fundamental error
Texas is not California
Go to Texas and check it out
You made a fundamental error
Texas is not California
Go to Texas and check it out
You made a fundamental error
Texas is not California
Go to Texas and check it out
Mr. Perrys compassion ends where he believes Texas security concerns begin. He has never wavered in his desire to secure the 1,200-mile Texas-Mexico border with manpower, not preposterous fencing, or in his frustration with the federal government, which he believes has not adequately protected Texas from the drug violence raging across the Rio Grande.
In 2005, Mr. Perry announced a $10 million state program to increase border patrols and upgrade radio systems along the border. A year later, he unveiled plans to install hundreds of video cameras, creating a multimillion-dollar virtual wall that in its first four years proved overly ambitious, netting few arrests. Though Mr. Perry expressed support for improving guest-worker programs in 2003, when President George W. Bush pushed for it in 2005, the governors frustration with the federal government kept him from supporting it.
Meanwhile, Mr. Perry has remained at war with the Obama administration over his request in 2010 for 1,000 National Guard troops along the border; he got 250. In August, he asked the federal government to reimburse Texas $350 million, the estimated cost of imprisoning illegal immigrants in state lockups.
If already he’s nothing but an “also ran”, why do you bother?
And the writers would be wasting everyone’s time.
Perry isn’t wrong about trying to build a 1200 mile fence along the Texas Mexico border. Just because some ill-informed say it, doesn’t make it so.
The Perry policy is that fencing makes sense in some urban areas where it can be closely monitored and quickly accessed by border patrol. It’s the continuous fence across hundreds of miles of no mans land he called nonsensical.
For that area he proposed other assets be used, including military and technical. And quick strike teams if and when needed.
Your little picture is something we don’t need to see in order to know it’s happening...we’re experts on the problem here in Texas. It’s the solutions and they start and end with the Federal Govenment that we need to focus on.
Whoever wrote this...who do they support for President? Do they support Sarah Palin whether she runs or not? I know, I have to chuckle at my own joke. But it’s not so funny, come to think...
Again, they say he’s no threat because he said what too many GOP didn’t want to hear. Yet they write an article about it and you post it.
I just saw where Cain endorsed Romney in 2008.
There’s your ticket...Romney Cain.
“It wasnt just Hispanics and illegals turning CA left, it was the Hollyweird types and Flower Children. Texas doesnt have much of the latter.
Had Perry run on a hardline platform hed have never become governor in the first place.”
Nice try, but Perry didn’t RUN for governor, it was handed to him when Bush-43 became president. Since then he has NEVER been challenged from the right. Conservatives here in Texas have spend a DECADE having to hold our nose when we vote for governor (something I literally did the last time I voted).
WE ARE NOT IDIOTS. We know that Perry that Perry says what he says because he BELIEVES IT, which is fine. And if other here want OPEN BORDERS, then Perry’s the man.
In other words, the editorial says candidates should lie about their views for political gain. They must love Romney.
It also sloppily conflates in-state tuition (Perry for) with the federal DREAM act (Perry opposed).
I don't think he'll be the nominee; I don't think he was ready for the campaign nor do I think he's particularly passionate for it.
His consistency at the expense of his own campaign is admirable.
I expect Obama to be president until 2017. If somehow he loses, we'll get nibbling incrementalism from the GOP, not fundamental reforms. It'll be a delay of the inevitable, not a reverse course.
Perry on Border Security — THE TRUTH:
There can be no homeland security without border security, and there can be no higher priority than protecting our citizens.
While our focus begins with preventing the worst of the violence currently raging in northern Mexico from spilling over into the United States, the violence is only part of the destruction that can result from a porous border. The free flow of drugs, weapons and people resulting from inadequate security can undercut economic development, education and trade. As such, they can hurt Texas families in every way imaginable, from loss of jobs to the loss of family members to addiction, imprisonment or death.
Border security is a federal responsibility but a Texas problem, and Texas has invested hundreds of millions of state dollars in efforts to support and supplement security forces already in place. Still, this is a problem that will only be solved with more federal accountability and involvement.
Â» Starting in 2005 with Operation Linebacker, the state has sought to provide funding, manpower and equipment to local law enforcement agencies operating along the Texas-Mexico border.
Â» The state’s latest operation, Border Star, builds on the successes of previous operations with unprecedented local, state and federal law enforcement coordination. With the assistance of the 80th and 81st Legislatures, the State of Texas has been able to appropriate more than $110 million each session to fund and amplify these efforts.
Â» In response to a rising tide of gang violence in Texas communities, the Governor allocated $4 million in criminal justice grants to cities across the state to increase patrols of gang hotspots. In 2009, Gov. Perry worked to secure more than $10 million in state funding for enhanced anti-gang efforts during the 2010-11 biennium.
Â» In September 2009, Gov. Perry announced the formation of highly-skilled Ranger Recon Teams â which include Texas Rangers, Texas National Guard Counterdrug forces, Highway Patrol and DPS Aviation assets â in order to address threats building in the unincorporated areas along the Texas-Mexico border.
Â» Since early 2009, Gov. Perry has repeatedly called on Washington to authorize the deployment of 1,000 Title 32 National Guard soldiers to the Texas-Mexico border to support border security operations currently underway. (see letter to President Obama, letter to Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano and request to Defense Secretary Gates)
Â» Gov. Perry has also recommended an expeditious deployment of unmanned aerial vehicles to provide real-time surveillance and intelligence to law enforcement on the ground.
“You made a fundamental error
Texas is not California
Go to Texas and check it out”
Maybe the other guy made an error, but I have lived over a decade in EACH STATE, and California was a really nice state (overall) when I got out 20 years ago. Sure they had a lot of illegals, but they had nice lawns and manicured freeways. It was very nice. Of course people said that illegals were taking over (including my secretary) but I just laughed and said, but look what we get in return (and obviously much more than landscaping).
Man did I learn a lot in 20 years. In California, once the illegals started voting (which they do in huge numbers now), it was over. The year was 1996, and they were polarized and then organized to vote (by the Dems) by Proposition 187, and the state as I knew it ended that day.
The idea that “it can’t happen here” led to 7 million Jewish deaths in World War 2...we need to GET OVER IT.
“Good fences make good neighbors”
It works with Canada. :-)
I have no problem with a fence, but I would also want to see prison terms and fines for employers who knowingly higher illegals.
Perry's approach is less ham-fisted, smarter politics. Just think, if people here are upset over the "heartless" comment, how do Hispanic's react to the equivalent coming the other way? The backdrop will always be Democrats add fuel to the fire, but it's ineffective if Republicans don't self-immolate as happened in CA.
At least you admit if Republicans lose Texas it's over. A law-and-order approach is fine, it's fair, it's right. You cannot, however, allow that policy to be hijacked by radical nativists and even outright bigots because your thoughtful position will be drowned out and subsumed into the other, conflated by the media into one message, one extreme viewpoint even though you are not with those destructive elements, you will be made to defend them thanks to willing Democrats, division hustling activists and a media interested in ridiculous comparisons.
Sorry to be stupid.. but what was Prop 187?
I have an idea, but am interested in what it was..
If you fix things we will no longer need life long politicians to unsolve all our problems for us.
Round up a few million illegals and set them to building a fence.
Without a doubt, determined illegals could still get into this country. But with a big enough fence, it would be a lot harder.
I have said this before in another couple of threads, and the fence crowd ignored it.
So, you want a fence, eh? We have one here. It is called 18 to 100 miles of sea water between the UK and Europe. A slightly more effective barrier than a poxy 30 foot fence, right? We still get between 600k and 1 million illegals coming in per year.
Italy has 50 to 200 miles of sea as their fence - they get the same sort of infulx - every year.
Dont talk crap about fences. Boots on the ground!
“Sorry to be stupid.. but what was Prop 187?
I have an idea, but am interested in what it was..”
Here you go...
The courts basically invalidated it.
Worked pretty damned well for China and (unfortunately) East Germany. Or are you denying historical fact? The San Diego fence GREATLY reduced crossings there as well. The Israeli fence reduced terrorism significantly.
The green zone in Iraq? Go back to the WW2 era and look at the barbed wire and fencing on battlefields. Can you think of a reason it was there in use? There are a million legit reasons to build a fence and NONE to not do it.
Fences have worked since their creation and just because Rick Perry is AGAINST THEM that has no bearing on their historic effectiveness.
Two words: Force multiplier
Foolproof? No. So build it and back it up with patrols, cameras, GP Sonar, Predators etc. But a secure fence is absolutely a cornerstone of securing our border.
Thank you very much :)
Guess I was too lazy to Scroogle it :p
Much appreciated ;^)
The first paragraph tell a lot.. I can see why the voters (at the time) wanted to get rid of Davis (besides the economy, at the time)...
ok.. am continuing to read it..
Does anyone remember the video of Pres. Bush at the border with illegals scrambling over a high fence in the background?
If we don’t want illegal immigration, then we have to cut off the jobs offered by employers.
If employers need the workers, then we have to have a well-regulated guest worker program. Look up the Bracero program that worked suceesfully from WWII until the Kennedy administration repealed it to pay off the unions.
Perry needs to talk with officials of Alabama. They passed a strong immigration bill which has withstood scrutiny of the Alabama state Supreme Court.
Heard on the radio yesterday that illegals are vacating the schools & rentals “in droves”. They also must prove citizenship to get ANY kind of state aid & must prove ability to pay for any medical treatment.
Take away the jobs- freebees & they will leave.
Now, if all the other 49 states would pass the same rules, the country could start getting back on it’s own feet & quit supporting intruders.
I am sure you'll agree that while we would all love a 30ft high, impenetrable fence along our southern border, people forget about the river. The fed gov doesn't own the land along the banks of the river -- private citizens do. And they have water rights to it, and I assume they use that water for their livestock, etc.
If we were to build a fence along the US side of the river, it would require the biggest eminent domain land grab in the history of this country.
The wall works in Israel because there is a military infrastructure stationed there to monitor and enforce it. Until our country regards our border as a national security weakness and sets up troops to defend it, the wall , or the lack of a wall, is irrelevant.
Bingo. Fence is probably third on the list of effective border control. No against it, but eliminating the incentives that attract the citizens of other countries to come here illegaly, and diplomatically insisting that other countries discourage their citizens and otms from crossing borders illegally (our borders are the others countries’ borders too) are even more important than a fence.
Very true. Texas was where California was in 1970, but it will take far less time for it to implode because the trickle of illegal immigrants has become a flood.
Wow one of only afew common-sense responses. I wonder why folks can’t understand that when Perry says, “A fence without observation isn’t an impediment”. Folks seem bound and determioned to give Romney the nod, then they’ll scream that we have a true RINO as our only choice. Perry’s not my top pick, but I think it’s stupid to trash him unless we have a super candidate sitting at the top; until then we need to keep all potential contenders available until we are sure Romney won’t be the “one”.
Only when manned with troops with orders to shoot to kill.
That's why Rick Perry wants an open border, a welcoming atmosphere for illegals and opposes e-verify.
Rick Perry is for sale. He always has been and always will be. He's a cross between Joe Isuzu and Elmer Gantry.
I’m totally for that.
California wasn’t today’s California in 1970. Ronald Reagan was governor and George Murphy was in the Senate. Illegals destroyed the state - from ruining its public schools to bankrupting hospitals.
Texas is on the same collision course, but Texans are simply too arrogant to realize it.
- it's too hard to build them in remote places
- people will just climb over or dig under them
- We've tried it already and it didn't work:
He wants illegals in Texas for the agriculture industry as cheap labor.
Perry simply doesn't realize that he's running for President of the United States and needs to do what's best for the entire US, not the parochial interests of Texas agriculture.
The Federal Government has been about destroying this country with its polices for several decades.
Allowing rampant illegal immigration is one way to destroy it. Obama's the fast track, while Bush/McCain were destroying the country at a slower pace.
Fortunately for American and unfortunately for Perry, allowing illegal immigration is a deal-breaker for a majority of GOP voters. Destroying the country through illegal immigration or destroying the country through Statism of the Obamaniac variety is still destroying the country.
Perry's going down, unless he turns around on this issue.
Water isn’t a fence, it’s a highway. Think Dunkirk.
You will never "stand next" to a fence in Texas. The entire 1200 mile long border is the Rio Grand River. Where would you propose putting the fence?
He’s partly right, for the wrong reason. A fence is not effective enough; we need a WALL! And landmines, and troops and guntowers!
A small edit, for clarity.
Gov Perry's call for strategic fencing in urban/metro ares, boots on the ground and the best high tech surveillance hardware money can buy sounds like the better solution.
Right down the middle.
As a heartless American, yeah, shoot to kill.
How much more can I be denigrated by those who claim to be on my side?
Gov. Perry wants drones (works petty well in the Middle East) and in Israel (where Perry has gone to observe how they do it), boots on the ground and fencing where it works (in urban areas). Janet Napolatano wants drones to patrol our border with Canada — but not Mexico — why is that?? Hmmmm.... too good a political tool?
A 2000 mile long fence over terrain where it is not conducive to building a fence (like on a river) — the proposal of hiding behind a 25 foot wall for 2000 miles with razor wire and gun towers — this tells the world that the U.S. has failed.
Those who push for it don’t know what they’re talking about and if they do and continue to push for it because they think it’s a good political talking point are only causing harm. And by doing so show their low character.
Mexico is the number one trading partner with the U.S. They are not trying to drive us into the sea or refuse to recognize us as a country.
This has been a nice diversion from the issues but that’s what posts like yours are meant to do. You posted it to counter effective dissemination of information.
Rick Perry wants the border sealed. The Federal government won’t — Texas is spending hundreds of millions of dollars and sending Texas Rangers to patrol the 1250 border miles we share with Mexico. He’s the only primary candidate that understands this and wants to do something about it. He’s the only one credible on this issue.
We have the technology. Predator drones are being flown in United States air space as we speak. Why not fly those from Brownsville, Texas, to El Paso and to Tijuana and back and use that real-time information for local law enforcement, our state law enforcement and our federal counterparts? Thats how you thoughtfully secure that border, and then you can have a discussion about what type of immigration reform we want to consider as a country. But not until then. Too many times, weve been told, if well just pass this immigration reform then well secure the border. And it hasnt happened...."