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Perry promotes his years of experience taking on illegal immigration, tries to blunt criticism
Washington Post ^ | Oct 1, 2011 | AP

Posted on 10/01/2011 8:55:43 AM PDT by Clairity

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To: World'sGoneInsane
At that townhall forum last night Perry drove home what should be the fundamental issues this election season --- jobs jobs jobs, less taxes, less spending, less govt, deregulation and ending Obamacare. Along with assuring everyone he will fix SocSec for future generations while not touching current recipients.

While Perry has a less then ideal stance on immigration, the issue of illegal border crossings is being demagogue by creeps like Willard and the hordes of malcontents slinking around.

51 posted on 10/01/2011 9:41:38 AM PDT by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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To: radpolis

Rick Perry- “I Am Not for Amnesty” |

The Shark Tank

http://shark-tank.net/2011/09/21/19756/


52 posted on 10/01/2011 9:43:33 AM PDT by txrangerette ("...HOLD TO THE TRUTH; SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR." - Glenn Beck)
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To: Clairity
He said he vetoed a Texas bill that would have given illegal immigrants driver's licenses,

But he'll give you in-state tuition!

helped pass a bill requiring voter identification at the polls,

So you can be college-educated, with no voting rights, and no ability to drive to work... to a job you shouldn't have as an illegal immigrant!

spent $400 million on security measures to help secure the state’s border with Mexico,

While enticing more illegal immigrants with... in-state tuition!

and strongly opposed granting amnesty to people who illegally entered the United States.

No amnesty, but you can go to college, with in-state tuition!

Perry claims his "Texas Dream Act" is not the same as the "Federal Dream Act" because it's a "states rights issue" for Texas.

Then Perry turns around and says Mitt Romney's "Massachussetts Health Care" is the same as the "Federal Health Care" and has nothing to do with states rights. The Texas two-step us dumb Yankees just don't git?

53 posted on 10/01/2011 9:44:09 AM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: txrangerette; Wild Irish Rogue
So if Cain is not the nominee, he is for...??

Heaven help us if he's the nominee. Cain is so happy to be the anti-candidate that he speaks without thinking how his words will be used against him. He's attractive now, but when people start thinking about who our next POTUS will be do they really want someone who says "I don't know a lot about foreign policy", "I support the 2nd Amendment, but states should be able to restrict it", "I'm Pro-Life but I won't sign a pledge stating that".

Cain plays right into obama's hands. He makes obama look like he's experienced and competent.

54 posted on 10/01/2011 9:45:45 AM PDT by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: rintense; Clarity; Liz
YOUR statistic was for the last 11 years.

The reason for the increase in illegal immigrants in Texas is largely due to the fact that there are more jobs in Texas. The decline in illegal aliens in the other states is largely due to the fact that the other states have been losing jobs.

Using your logic you could say that Obama has done more to stem the tide of illegal aliens than any other president since Carter, since he has managed to keep the unemployment levels at near double digit numbers nationwide since he took office.

55 posted on 10/01/2011 9:47:01 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: DTogo
Don't forget he said 'border fences are silly' in 2009 now he like strategic border fencing.

The guy is almost on par with Romney and Kerry when it comes to flip flops.

56 posted on 10/01/2011 9:47:11 AM PDT by rintense (Polls are for strippers and cross country skiing. ~ Sarah Palin, 9.3.11)
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To: P-Marlowe
Plyler v. Doe, 457 U.S. 202 (1982), was a case in which the Supreme Court of the United States struck down a state statute denying funding for education to illegal aliens and simultaneously struck down a municipal school district's attempt to charge illegal immigrants an annual $1,000 tuition fee for each illegal alien student to compensate for the lost state funding[1]. The Court found that where states limit the rights afforded to people (specifically children) based on their status as aliens.... Texas.

Actually in 2010 a study reported by a news outlet posted illegal immigration was down in all states that so border, but Texas.

Texas Moves to Crack Down on Cities Protecting Illegal
Immigrants
Published May 10, 2011

The vote came on the eve of Obama's first trip as president to the U.S.-Mexico border, where he planned to continue his recent push to revive legislative efforts to remake the nation's immigration laws....In the absence of a sweeping national law, many statehouses have taken immigration matters into their own hands.

Other states are not widely effected as the border states will illegal immigraion.
We say no to illegal immigrants, yet we help them stay... Americans want to stop illegal immigration. Yet we happy to benefit from low prices for groceries, cheap yardwork and housecleaning services.

Government interference stops states from acting in their own best interests on immigration [see Arizona] as well as the "wants" and "needs" of the well to do in America.

2003 was a different time in Texas when it came to the problem of Illegal immigration. The Democrats and like thinking politicians on the Right have dangled the carrot, and with the matricular consular card, approval of dual citizenship by Mexico..more and more came.

Bureaucratic red tape.

57 posted on 10/01/2011 9:47:51 AM PDT by fight_truth_decay
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To: rintense

“You wont’ believe how many people that ‘heartless’ comment has pissed off.”

Oh yes I would believe it. I was a Perry supporter. On the ping list and everything. Then he opened his mouth to attack Romney and George W Bush popped out (er...uh... before before....against). Then he opened his mouth again to defend his in-state tuition fiasco. Bush popped out again (vigilantes). Lindsay Graham as well (bigots). And lets not forget John McCain (lazy).

I stopped supporting Perry right then. I hope he loses the nomination so that the big-business, illegal loving bastards in the GOP establishment once again get the memo; WE’RE DONE supporting open-borders, amnesty POS politicians that spend more time attacking (us) the base than attacking the Democrats and illegal aliens.


58 posted on 10/01/2011 9:50:35 AM PDT by Grunthor (Cain. You see what he's done to Garafalo and Freeman. Wouldn't it be fun to see all the time?)
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To: rintense
Yeah, history shows that border fences never keep unwanted foreigners out of your country because:

- it's too hard to build them in remote places
- people will just climb over or dig under them
- we've tried it already and it didn't work

/s

59 posted on 10/01/2011 9:51:35 AM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: P-Marlowe; Liz
Nice way to parse the data. You are so in denial about Perry and illegals it's sad.

And to blame the rise of illegals in Texas on more jobs? Wow, way to 'rationalize' criminal behavior. Yet, Perry did nothing to discourage illegals from coming.

I never thought I'd see the day when a freeper would rationalize and excuse illegal immigration.

60 posted on 10/01/2011 9:51:39 AM PDT by rintense (Polls are for strippers and cross country skiing. ~ Sarah Palin, 9.3.11)
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To: Reagan Man

Since he does not support e-verify, will those jobs, jobs, jobs go to his illegal alien friends?


61 posted on 10/01/2011 9:52:10 AM PDT by Grunthor (Cain. You see what he's done to Garafalo and Freeman. Wouldn't it be fun to see all the time?)
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To: radpolis

Money quote: Perry’s border security policy endorsed by Jim Gilchrist, founder of the Minutemen.

Rick Perry and the Republican Bind on Immigration

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2786401/posts?page=13


62 posted on 10/01/2011 9:52:17 AM PDT by txrangerette ("...HOLD TO THE TRUTH; SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR." - Glenn Beck)
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To: P-Marlowe
YOUR statistic was for the last 11 years

Oh, and, how long has Perry been governor of Texas, hmmm???

63 posted on 10/01/2011 9:52:39 AM PDT by rintense (Polls are for strippers and cross country skiing. ~ Sarah Palin, 9.3.11)
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To: Reagan Man

Dude, there is nothing more important than protecting the territorial and legal integrity of the United States of America, and if you don’t get that, then you are no less ignorant than your typical liberal.

The president’s duty is not to create jobs. Reagan knew this. Only a liberal thinks the government creates jobs.

I couldn’t care less if Perry created one job or 10 million jobs, the president’s primary duty is to defend the US Constitution and the sovereignty of the United States.

But you are only worried about the money in your pocket.

Guess what? If you have no country, and no rule of law, the money in your pocket is meaningless.

Illegal lovers like yourself don’t seem to get that.


64 posted on 10/01/2011 9:54:19 AM PDT by radpolis (Liberals: You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy)
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To: World'sGoneInsane
I agree with what you say..however it is too soon for me to back anyone..the Left loves watching the Right fight over immigration to cover the fact that TEXAS is properous, Texans love Perry and have joked they will vote against him to keep him as do not like who they see taking his place--a Rhino.

I focus on Jobs or the environment to make more jobs..and Texas has done that--one of the most successful states in America for jobs. LePage in Maine is turning his state around as well and not in headlines of talking the talk but walking the walk. If it were not so hot in Texas I would consider it a place I might like to live.

Low unemployment in Texas compared to the rest of the country..is this not why we need new leadership in the WH?

Fix government welfare programs, you will fix the immigration problem on the illegal side. More jobs make people richer which need more workers hired to do the things the affluent do not have time to do or choose to do.

65 posted on 10/01/2011 9:54:46 AM PDT by fight_truth_decay
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To: DTogo
Yep. As I've said before... we have some of the best engineering minds in the world living in the USA. We built a bridge to connect the Florida Keys. We built a dams to hold back millions of gallons of water. We even built a bridge to connect two peninsulas in Michigan.

Yet we CAN'T build a frickin fence in the middle of a river?

Another cop out by the Perry people.

66 posted on 10/01/2011 9:55:02 AM PDT by rintense (Polls are for strippers and cross country skiing. ~ Sarah Palin, 9.3.11)
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To: Reagan Man
While Perry has a less then ideal stance on immigration, the issue of illegal border crossings is being demagogue by creeps like Willard and the hordes of malcontents slinking around.

As the spouse of a LEGAL immigrant in this country, as I once was in hers for many years, I'll wear that badge of "demagoguing, slinking, malcontent" with honor all day long!

67 posted on 10/01/2011 9:55:15 AM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: wmfights
Whereas Bush grew up in an elite environment Perry did not. Bush attended northeast prep schools and then an ivy league college. Perry did not. Environment does play a role in the development of a persons personality. I believe Perry is a bit tougher.

Where they're similar is their acceptance of cheap labor to the point of encouraging it in the name of "compassionate conservatism" or "family values don't stop at the Rio Grande".

Perry and the Bushes supporting in-state tuition is a clever ruse because they know small numbers will actually take advantage of it in comparison to the vast vast majority of whom will work low-paying jobs while suppressing wages of everyday working Americans. That's their real goal.

It does however make them look good to the ivory tower crowd as they preach on about the heartlessness of those mean conservatives who want the law respected. In other words they get their cake and eat it too.

68 posted on 10/01/2011 9:56:22 AM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: DTogo

Next thing you know, someone will call you heartless. Oh wait...


69 posted on 10/01/2011 9:56:28 AM PDT by rintense (Polls are for strippers and cross country skiing. ~ Sarah Palin, 9.3.11)
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To: Grunthor
This is not a two man race.

You should hope it is. In the end it will come down to voting on obama's record. He will counter that he's gained valuable experience and in foreign policy has killed off the leadership of the terrorists and helped begin the democratic process in the middle east.

If we have a nominee with no executive experience we lose that card. If the SCOTUS rules the healthcare personal mandate is unconstitutional, but leaves the rest of the law in place we lose that card.

The two candidates that have executive experience as Gov's are Perry and Romney. It will come down to them.

70 posted on 10/01/2011 9:57:26 AM PDT by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: Clairity

I agree. the criticism of Perry on the border issue is ridiculous. However, I’m worn out from trying to defend Perry on people who got their feelings hurt because he used an unfortunate phrase in a debate.

So, I won’t be reading this thread. Sometimes you just can’t take a bunch of ignorance any more.


71 posted on 10/01/2011 10:00:42 AM PDT by altura ( Palin/Ryan---or Palin/Perry or Palin/Rubio)
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To: Grunthor

Cain endorsed Mitt Romney in 2008.

Don’t bother with, but McCain was so bad.

Yes, McCain was bad. Romney is in fact worse.

At least McCain served and his kid serves. Romney not only did not serve, he has said without shame that his 5 sons have never served but instead have busied themselves with the great work of helping him campaign.

Even McCain as bad as he is on several issues, would never have gone on board with Obamacare not even if his friend Teddy were still alive. But in Romney we have state of Mass. Obamacare...

At least McCain was reliably prolife but Romney???

I am not accusing Cain of being as bad as Romney. I’m saying he endorsed Romney, which is bad in itself.

Now, in 2011, he says he can’t even vote for Rick Perry in the election? If he were the GOP nominee?

He would sit home, vote third party, vote Obama...what??

But he could easily support Mitt...that’s right, we know because he endorsed him before.


72 posted on 10/01/2011 10:01:10 AM PDT by txrangerette ("...HOLD TO THE TRUTH; SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR." - Glenn Beck)
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To: wmfights

“You should hope it is. In the end it will come down to voting on obama’s record.”

No. You don’t get to skip the primary. The primary is not a two man race. Many of you folks don’t seen to understand that a supermajority of primary voters don’t want EITHER Romney OR Perry.


73 posted on 10/01/2011 10:01:39 AM PDT by Grunthor (Cain. You see what he's done to Garafalo and Freeman. Wouldn't it be fun to see all the time?)
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To: Clairity
Perry brought this firestorm on himself with his repeated strong defense of the Texas Dream Act.
He topped it off when he called conservative critics heartless.

The Texas Dream Act subsidies to illegals now overshadows anything else he may have to say regarding illegals.

He is talking into the wind when he tries to defend his action because there is no defense. The only ones who hear him are his faithful supporters. Everyone else just hears a man in a corner spinning his story and excusing himself for his mistakes.

He will not be able to walk this back with conservatives. His candidacy is fading away.


74 posted on 10/01/2011 10:03:03 AM PDT by Iron Munro (Obama/Rangel/Pelosi Code of Ethics: Don’t do as I do. Do as I say.)
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To: rintense; Liz; Clarity; xzins; wmfights
I never thought I'd see the day when a freeper would rationalize and excuse illegal immigration.

It is easy to rationalize it when I know that if I lived in some South American hell hole and knew I could come to America and then give my children American Citizenship merely by their being born here, I would move heaven and earth to come here, especially if I knew the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT was NOT ENFORCING the laws.

You would too.

Everyone on Free Republic would.

I do not begrudge these people for coming here. I begrudge the Federal Government and the Courts for refusing to enforce the laws and the employers who illegally hire these people.

As far as the Texas Dream Act, this law applies only to children who were brought here illegally by their parents and who have themselves broken no laws. Texas has been forced to give these children an education through high school and the law simply gives these children the same opportunities to continue their education that every other Texas High School Graduate receives. The Federal Government isn't going to deport these kids, so the choice is whether to allow them to continue their education or to become street urchins. I certainly have no beef with children who have been brought here illegally by their parents. If the Federal Government isn't going to deport the parents then what should be done with the children?

75 posted on 10/01/2011 10:03:19 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: rintense

and it has absolutely nothing to do with a 1200 mile long border with Mexico that the federal government will not protect.

Easy for those of us in states thousands of miles from the border to criticize, but we don’t have to deal with the worst of it. The worst and most dangerous part of the trip for illegals is getting across the border into the US. If the TX tuition break were such a magnet, why would they ever leave TX?


76 posted on 10/01/2011 10:05:14 AM PDT by EDINVA ( Jimmy McMillan '12: because RENT'S, TOO DAMN HIGH)
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To: rintense
You seem very one dimensional in your thinking, but you do have company. What you say is not entirely wrong but only only the smallest factor in solving the problems of illegal immigration. I have several times above on that, if interested and I have only just touched on the problem.. ;)

If it were so simple to fix..like the war on drugs, like the war on terror..like the war on anything the Federal Government takes on or even the war on its own states... If states had the power to act for their own best interests without the Left in the federal government coming down on the states with suits, and bogus threats of such, boycotts etc--the problem would be not so in focus. Plus politics weighs heavy on it all.

You can't get in you can't get out..or in Iran you go to prison for illegal entry and not a soft cushy prison with TV, Internet, and a balanced diet.. The Border states have tried-- plenty of evidence of that should one really take the time to research.

But richer states mean more jobs..think of it as illegals wont come to the state by you if you have no one giving jobs to "anyone". That works! ;)

77 posted on 10/01/2011 10:08:04 AM PDT by fight_truth_decay
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To: rintense

And racist, despite being the only Caucasian in the house. Oh wait...


78 posted on 10/01/2011 10:08:04 AM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: wmfights

I realize Cain has made several problematic statements.

My point was in regards to Cain saying he can’t vote for Perry in the general even if Perry were to be nominated.

Whoa!

So I’m asking, if Cain doesn’t get it, who will he be for in the primaries but Mitt Romney, right? He endorsed Romney in 2008 so that’s just about locked in.

If Perry were nominated, Cain would do what...sit out the election, vote third party, vote Obama?

All of those would be bad choices.


79 posted on 10/01/2011 10:09:45 AM PDT by txrangerette ("...HOLD TO THE TRUTH; SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR." - Glenn Beck)
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To: radpolis
>>>>>>Illegal lovers like yourself don’t seem to get that.

Another unhinged lying newbie nutzie. LOL My guess is you're a Paultard!

Clearly, reading comprehension is not something you value. Never said anything about the President's duty being to create jobs. I said Perry drove home what should be the fundamental issues this election season and #1 is jobs. Along with several others. As Governor of Texas Perry has put in place or kept in place the right policies to create jobs in Texas. Low taxes, less regulation and tort reform. 40% of all jobs created in the US since 2007 have been in Texas.

Perry wants the Feds to do their Constitutional duty and to secure the Tex-Mex border. As President that is exactly what he would do.

80 posted on 10/01/2011 10:10:08 AM PDT by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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To: rintense
As a Texas native of somewhat advanced years, I have to respectfully disagree with you about a fence along the border.

A fence is a barrier to entry. We already have a barrier, called the Rio Grande. Yes, it has some shallow places, but most of the length, it is pretty effective as a barrier. That is one reason you do not hear much about illegals wandering through Big Bend park, as you do about that park in Arizona. The shallow places on the Rio Grande are well known.

So why not add a fence? The notable fences along international borders, the Maginot Line, the Wall of China, the Israeli fence around the west bank, all have been less than effective when considered over a long period of history. The time periods when they were effective were the time periods when there were lots of boots enforcing the effectiveness of these barriers.

So, since we already have a barrier in the form of the Rio Grande, and we will need “boots on the ground” anyway, no matter what additional barrier we might add, why not just go for more “boots on the ground” right now?

Just take advantage of the barrier we already have. Dredge the shallow places in the Rio Grande, put up numerous observation towers (like we have for forest rangers in east Texas), use electronic surveillance, but most importantly, have lots of forces strategically placed along the border to respond to and apprehend anyone crossing the Rio Grande.
We could do all of that fairly quickly, and it would have a very big impact. We do not need to wait on a fence.

Why do I think this approach would work? We have had illegals cross our land 70 miles from the border, and make a mess. But the incidence of their crossing has decreased significantly in the past several years, including before the current economic downturn. The downturn in illegals on our land directly correlates with the increase in Border Patrol activities at Laguna, Bracketville, and Barksdale, all towns between our property and the border.

It seems to me that increase in boots on the ground has had an impact, at least in the area that I know something about.

If the above suggestions do not work, then spend the time and money to build another barrier. I just respectfully suggest we try something that seems to work first.

81 posted on 10/01/2011 10:13:51 AM PDT by LOC1 (Let's pick the best, not settle for a compromise.)
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To: P-Marlowe

You are making some wild assumptions there.

1. I wouldn’t invade another country because I was poor. I have integrity and honor and so do most Freepers and most foreigners for that matter don’t invade other countries because they are poor. Most Latin Americans stay home. Only the criminally minded and dishonorable have the entitlement mentality to invade the US and spit on our laws and sovereignty.

2. You weep and wring your hands for the children of foreign criminals, but you have no love and compassion for the American children who are prevented from taking the spots at Texas education institutions filled by illegals, and you don’t weep for the American taxpayer who has to subsidize and pay for them, because of the criminal conduct of the parents and the bleeding hearts like yourself.


82 posted on 10/01/2011 10:14:14 AM PDT by radpolis (Liberals: You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy)
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To: txrangerette

“Yes, McCain was bad. Romney is in fact worse.”

I did not vote for John McCain. I despise John McCain. On a personal level. There is no one running in this primary that I despise on a personal level. However if your boy Rick keeps it up, he could get there.

I will vote for whomever wins the nomination. As of right now the only candidate that will get my vote, my money and my time in the primary is Herman Cain.


83 posted on 10/01/2011 10:14:38 AM PDT by Grunthor (Cain. You see what he's done to Garafalo and Freeman. Wouldn't it be fun to see all the time?)
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
It does however make them look good to the ivory tower crowd as they preach on about the heartlessness of those mean conservatives who want the law respected.

Of the candidates running who do you support?

I look at the field and see:

Santorum; good on social issues, but an establishment Pub who supported the party jumper over a conservative. Also, no executive experience as a Gov.

Cain; sharp businessman who is all over the place on the issues and seems to be like Romney for something before he's against it. Also, he's indicated that he would support obama over the Pub nominee, no executive experience as a Gov.

Gingrich; brilliant, good debater, can't help but put his foot in his mouth on occasion, questionable personal life, no executive experience as a Gov.

Paul; good economics, but a loon on foreign policy, no executive experience.

Romney; the quintessential rino, has been running for 10 yrs, has executive experience as a Gov.

Who do you support?

84 posted on 10/01/2011 10:15:06 AM PDT by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: rintense
Oh, and, how long has Perry been governor of Texas, hmmm???

The increase in the illegal alien population in Texas is directly proportional to the decrease in job opportunities in the other states. The illegal aliens are moving to Texas because that is where the jobs are.

So you do your job as governor and free up regulations and make it am employer friendly state and then people like ritense will criticize you for making the place more hospitable to the illegal aliens who move there from other parts of the country.'

Maybe Perry should have turned Texas into another Michigan or Nevada or California. Then all the illegal aliens would have moved elsewhere.

85 posted on 10/01/2011 10:17:09 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: Grunthor
Many of you folks don’t seen to understand that a supermajority of primary voters don’t want EITHER Romney OR Perry.

We are going to find out. Who do you support that's running?

86 posted on 10/01/2011 10:18:59 AM PDT by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: shield

Didn’t John Kerry have a jacket similar to the one Perry has on?


87 posted on 10/01/2011 10:21:50 AM PDT by IM2MAD
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To: Reagan Man

You are a joke.

I have been following your posts on Perry and the illegals.

You are an apologist for illegals in the US.

You have attacked Freepers as being racist and xenophobic for not bowing down before you and your illegals.

You have pulled out that liberal race card too many times.

Instead of attacking me as being a newbie, you should apologize for being a traitor.

You have no clue as to who your friends and enemies are.


88 posted on 10/01/2011 10:23:14 AM PDT by radpolis (Liberals: You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy)
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To: P-Marlowe

Maybe he should take a look at Mexico’s immigration law for pointers.

http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/lillpop022707.htm


89 posted on 10/01/2011 10:25:10 AM PDT by IM2MAD
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To: P-Marlowe; rintense; Liz; Clarity; xzins
I begrudge the Federal Government and the Courts for refusing to enforce the laws and the employers who illegally hire these people.

Bingo!

children who were brought here illegally by their parents and who have themselves broken no laws. Texas has been forced to give these children an education through high school and the law simply gives these children the same opportunities to continue their education that every other Texas High School Graduate receives. The Federal Government isn't going to deport these kids, so the choice is whether to allow them to continue their education or to become street urchins.

It's a no win situation for the States and it's a political minefield. If you run saying you will deport these children key swing votes will not support you. The primary cause of the problem ie., hiring illegals, does not get fixed and the problem continues.

90 posted on 10/01/2011 10:26:54 AM PDT by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: radpolis
I wouldn’t invade another country because I was poor.

The world is made up of the descendants of refugees from wars and from poverty. There are few, if any, living people on this planet who cannot trace their ancestry to some country which their ancestors fled to avoid war, starvation or disease.

If you lived in a hell hole and believed the only way to provide for your family was to bring them to America, and you refused to do that because there was some law in America that nobody enforced which said you ought not to come here unless you have bribed the government officials in your home country to grant you an exit visa, you would be worse than an infidel to refuse to escape.

Right, let your family die of war, famine, disease or starvation because you are too honorable to break some unenforced law in another country.

If your wife or children were dying and you had to get to the hospital which was 5 miles away within 5 minutes to save them, would you obey all the traffic laws on your way to the hospital? Are you so honorable that you would not break a few traffic laws to save your children?

91 posted on 10/01/2011 10:26:54 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: wmfights
As far as the educating of illegals children alien young adults, I believe Perry did the right thing.

Corrected for accuracy.

And I respectfully disagree with Perry's surrender of our homeland.

92 posted on 10/01/2011 10:27:57 AM PDT by Dagnabitt (Kennedy, McCain, Perry - What's with D students and support for Amnesty?)
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To: rintense

Say what?.


93 posted on 10/01/2011 10:29:20 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: IM2MAD

Actually, Ronald Reagan had a jacket like that.


94 posted on 10/01/2011 10:30:27 AM PDT by shield ((Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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To: wmfights
Who do you support?

At the moment Cain or Santorum are far above the rest.

Romney won't do anything either anymore than Perry. In 2005 he publicly supported Bush's guest worker/ammesty. Gingrich too started off his campaign talking about the need for amnesty as we'll never send then home.

This issue is the most important one facing the country right now because everything else is affected by it and all negative. The political process is becoming corrupted due to politicians pandering to all these criminals.

At this point I refuse to support anyone who won't do the right thing, close the borders and enforce the laws.

95 posted on 10/01/2011 10:31:26 AM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: txrangerette
All of those would be bad choices.

I'm with you!

I was initially interested in Cain, but then all the comments with "loopholes" started and I began to wonder. Now the comment about not supporting Perry if he were the nominee. I don't see why people can hate Perry so much when we look at who is in the White House, just about anyone would be better.

96 posted on 10/01/2011 10:33:21 AM PDT by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: P-Marlowe

Cry me a river, lets take care of our own first, and that means Americans and legal immigrants. We cannot take care of the world, and if you want to do so why don’t we just open our borders and ports to anyone not just those favored by geography?

What limit would you place on illegal immigration for those fleeing their terrible homelands? Letting them come here is taking the pressure off their own countries to provide for them and we are getting their problems dumped on us.

Every dollar spent on an illegal is a dollar taken that should be properly used for an American or legal immigrant. Where are your tears for them? Try visiting LA and tell me what is the difference between there and Mexico. Mexicans do not care to assimilate unlike previous immigrants legal or otherwise.


97 posted on 10/01/2011 10:34:44 AM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: Reaganwuzthebest; wmfights; xzins
At this point I refuse to support anyone who won't do the right thing, close the borders and enforce the laws.

That is Perry's position. He will close the borders and enforce the laws. He is committed to that goal.

The biggest problem is in enforcement and only the President can ensure that the laws are enforced. The Governor of a State cannot enforce the Federal laws. That is the sworn duty of the President of the United States. GWB was negligent in that duty. As was Clinton and George Bush I

I want a president who will faithfully execute the laws and who will defend the Constitution. Of all the candidates running, Perry is the one who appears most committed to both those goals.

98 posted on 10/01/2011 10:37:21 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: Clairity

Perry is the only one on that stage who is currently, daily handling border problems. The others are just spouting theory.


99 posted on 10/01/2011 10:40:44 AM PDT by texmexis best
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To: P-Marlowe

Thanks for proving to all and sundry that integrity is meaningless to you and that you use false and misleading analogies to defend foreign criminality in the United States.

The fact is poor is a relative term, and any fool can justify his plight and criminal by saying he is poor. This is how liberals justify their criminal behavior.

Should I go rob your house because I am poor? Should I stick up a bank because I a poor?

Maybe you should reflect on what separates humans from the animals, the civilized from the uncivilized, or are you one of these people who thinks anybody can do whatever he wants just because he feels like it and justifies his criminal and immoral behavior because of rough circumstances?

The Japanese just had a Tsunami and nuclear meltdown in their country and how many countries did the Japanese refugees invade?

That’s right, none.

People all over the globe suffer from a host of life’s miseries every single day and most people don’t chuck their honor and integrity out the door or blame their misfortune on others.

Only liberals in America and illegals seem to have the entitlement mentality that if things are tough abroad, make Americans responsible and make them pay.

By the way, Mexico is the 11th richest country in the world, has a rapidly growing economy, and is at full employment.

According to your logic, it should be opening its doors to America’s poor instead of dumping our social problems on our already strained economy and social system.


100 posted on 10/01/2011 10:41:41 AM PDT by radpolis (Liberals: You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy)
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