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Hispanic students vanish from Alabama schools
ap ^ | 9/30/11 | JAY REEVES

Posted on 10/01/2011 1:43:47 PM PDT by jneesy

BIRMINGHAM, Alabama (AP) — Hispanic students have started vanishing from Alabama public schools in the wake of a court ruling that upheld the state's tough new law cracking down on illegal immigration.

Education officials say scores of immigrant families have withdrawn their children from classes or kept them home this week, afraid that sending the kids to school would draw attention from authorities.

There are no precise statewide numbers. But several districts with large immigrant enrollments — from small towns to large urban districts — reported a sudden exodus of children of Hispanic parents, some of whom told officials they planned to leave the state to avoid trouble with the law, which requires schools to check students' immigration status.

The anxiety has become so intense that the superintendent in one of the state's largest cities, Huntsville, went on a Spanish-language television show Thursday to try to calm widespread worries

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Mexico; News/Current Events; US: Alabama
KEYWORDS: alabama; borderwars; hispanic; illegal; illegalaliens; immigration
let them know a law will be enforced and BINGO they leave
1 posted on 10/01/2011 1:43:56 PM PDT by jneesy
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To: jneesy

Looks like it’s working great. Now every state has a model.


2 posted on 10/01/2011 1:44:33 PM PDT by fwdude ("When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve ...")
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To: jneesy

See also my posting from this morning. Same article, lots of comments...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2786411/posts


3 posted on 10/01/2011 1:46:31 PM PDT by BobL (PLEASE READ: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2657811/posts)
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To: jneesy

They just moved to another State.This law needs to go national.


4 posted on 10/01/2011 1:48:12 PM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: jneesy

Get the northern and coastal states to pass these laws and working in and south they would all be squeezed right into Perry’s backyard...


5 posted on 10/01/2011 1:48:13 PM PDT by bigheadfred (But alas)
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To: fwdude

If they are illegals, then great news.
Tax-payer money is saved.

It is not impossible to combat illegals. Take that Perry and RINO establishment!


6 posted on 10/01/2011 1:48:23 PM PDT by heiss
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To: jneesy

They cleaned up NY when they started enforcing the little laws like squeegee guys and graffiti. It was not complex and it mostly affected the people doing the larger crimes.


7 posted on 10/01/2011 1:48:23 PM PDT by Raycpa
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To: jneesy

Self-deportation...a wonderful thing!


8 posted on 10/01/2011 1:49:11 PM PDT by Redleg Duke ("Madison, Wisconsin is 30 square miles surrounded by reality.", L. S. Dryfus)
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To: jneesy
Betcha they are moving to Texas so they can get in-state tuition and state and institutional financial aid when they are ready for college.
9 posted on 10/01/2011 1:49:57 PM PDT by bwc2221
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To: heiss
It is not impossible to combat illegals.

No, sane people know it's quite easy. But listening to the looney Left, you'd think that it's impossible to ever even identify an illegal alien.

10 posted on 10/01/2011 1:51:43 PM PDT by fwdude ("When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve ...")
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To: jneesy

It’s not clear from the article whether this will really work. School officials are urging them to return, no problemo. We won’t report you to the police.

I’m not sure if they are concerned about the kids, or worried about union jobs, or working for the Democrat mafia that wants their votes. But I doubt whether this will work unless people keep the pressure on.


11 posted on 10/01/2011 1:52:05 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius.)
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To: jneesy

“””Hispanic students have started vanishing from Alabama public schools”””


Meanwhile in Florida there is an unexpected surge in Hispanic enrollment.


12 posted on 10/01/2011 1:54:09 PM PDT by Presbyterian Reporter
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To: jneesy
Hispanic students vanish from Alabama schools

Or to be really clear about what's going on: Children of Illegal Immigrants Vanish from Alabama Schools.

13 posted on 10/01/2011 1:55:46 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Cicero
It’s not clear from the article whether this will really work. School officials are urging them to return, no problemo. We won’t report you to the police.

That's because schools get paid per capita (some of it federal money). They could care less if the student is illegal.

14 posted on 10/01/2011 1:57:01 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: jneesy

I’m sure they’ll be heading to NCarolina shortly.


15 posted on 10/01/2011 1:57:41 PM PDT by alancarp (Liberals are all for shared pain... until they're included in the pain group.)
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To: Moonman62; Cicero

Absolutely correct!!


17 posted on 10/01/2011 2:10:24 PM PDT by mtnwmn (Liberalism leads to Socialism)
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To: jneesy

For all those morons who say we can’t deport 11 million illegals, especially George Will, Rick Perry, and Newt Gingrich, and too many here on FR - we don’t have to - they will deport themselves.

Many would have already gone back given the bad economy and the lack of jobs, but they have stayed on because of the hope that Obama or a Bush/McCain like Republican will give them amnesty and citizenship. This belief is aided by the Alinsky organizations like Move-On and La Raza, who tell them hang around, amnesty is around the corner.

Once it becomes clear to them that amnesty is not around the corner and employers who hire them will be going to jail and paying big fines (the current but unenforced laws) you will see and exodus from the USA as a whole just like you are witnessing in Alabama and Arizona (and in Virginia, where local crackdowns have sent illegals into Maryland).


18 posted on 10/01/2011 2:10:24 PM PDT by oldbill
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To: jneesy

Two birds with one stone!

Theft of tax dollars and classroom overcrowding.


19 posted on 10/01/2011 2:29:24 PM PDT by LostInBayport (When there are more people riding in the cart than there are pulling it, the cart stops moving...)
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To: jneesy

Boo-Hoo.


20 posted on 10/01/2011 2:32:09 PM PDT by BwanaNdege (“Man has often lost his way, but modern man has lost his address” - Gilbert K. Chesterton)
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To: jneesy

The headline needs to be changed. 50 to 1 say it is only illegal hispanic students leaving Alabama schools. The American hispanic students are more than likely still in school.


21 posted on 10/01/2011 2:32:23 PM PDT by sean327 (God created all men equal, then some become Marines!)
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To: jneesy

I think its very effective, if it works it should be nationwide.

Unless its a state that wants to harvest its own definitive class of loyalist workers in its defined caste society with free tuition and citizenships.


22 posted on 10/01/2011 2:36:53 PM PDT by Eye of Unk (Sarah Palin and John Bolton--- 2012)
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To: alancarp

Yup. Illegals are also desaparado from Georgia, and South Carolina is in process of tightening their own laws. But NC still has Dumb Bev.


23 posted on 10/01/2011 2:43:11 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: jneesy

This particular 7-11 (you can see the sign, and the workers, in the background, through the monsoon) is in Falls Church, Virginia, on the Leesburg Pike, just down the road from the Dar al-Hijrah mosque. Ten years ago, a charismatic imam named Anwar al-Awlaki manned the pulpit there, and a U.S. soldier named Nidal Hasan listened to his sermons in the congregation.

In fact just a little over ten years ago a couple of worshipers from Dar al-Hijrah drove up to this particular 7-11. They weren’t really interested in hiring the day laborers so much as getting someone to help them acquire forged identification. That turned out to be a fellow named Luis A. Martinez-Flores, himself an illegal immigrant, and he walked the two Arabs, Hani Hanjour and Khaled Almidhar, through the process of getting Virginia ID cards—after which they returned to this particular 7-11, withdrew $100 from the ATM, and handed it to Mr. Martinez-Flores.

Around five years ago Michelle went to this particular 7-11. She talked about what had happened there on her then-new website called Hot Air. Her video isn’t there anymore, but it made quite an impression on me. Now that I live in Northern Virginia, every time I drive past that particular 7-11 I point it out to my family. I don’t want them to forget why that particular 7-11 is special. That’s where Hani Hanjour and Khaled Almidhar ten years ago used the ID’s they bought so easily at this day labor bazaar to board American Airlines Flight 77 out of Dulles, and then to take it over and fly it into the Pentagon. They had also, according to Martinez-Lopez’s federal indictment, used these ID’s to procure ID’s in turn for three other 9/11 hijackers. “In all,” notes the 9-11 Commission report, “the five hijackers based their Virginia identification documents on the residency information of one bribed Salvadoran.”

You would think the first thing that the newly-formed Department Homeland Security would have done would be to raid this particular labor market, frequented by illegal aliens and the document fraudsters that enable them to feign legitimacy, and shut it down for good. This is the site of our immigration policy’s greatest, most shameful failure, after all. Of course, ten years on, it’s just business as usual and the shame and failure continue unabated. There’s no marker to commemorate what happened there. You’d never know anything historically significant had happened there ten years ago.

You’d have no indication at that particular 7-11 what a petty, commonplace, wretched little conspiracy was committed, and what a dreadful, monstrous crime was thereby abetted. That was where and when our self-deception about the illegal labor market and the security risks it presents caught up to us. Everyone should know this place. Everyone should vow that what happened there will never be permitted to happen again.

But everyone won’t know; the memory is fading. Like the pictures of the man jumping from the Twin Towers, like the pictures of the rejoicing Middle East, this is one story that you never see in the “respectable” media accounts of what happened a decade ago.

I just drove by there the other day to remind myself. And ten years later it looks like nothing has changed, especially not the policy permitting this market to occur. When Michelle made her video for Hot Air five years ago we were in the midst of debating President Bush’s new policy of amnesty for illegal immigrants, a policy which was just beginning to erode the support of his conservative base. And today the current President has just recently opened yet another door to illegal alien amnesty.One more thing remained the same: Writing in Human Events about that particular 7-11 in November of 2001, Timothy Carney and Terence Jeffrey noted that Fairfax County police cars often stopped there in the mornings and kept an eye on the crowd. And sure enough, this week, right there in front of that particular 7-11, in the midst of the mob of day laborers (no doubt enjoying Fairfax County’s ongoing status as a “sanctuary city” for illegal immigrants,) there was parked a Fairfax County police cruiser, just waiting, watching the traffic. Hoping, perhaps, to find some illegal activity going on.

Keep watching! Another ten years, and you may start to see something.

In Virginia,the police are protecting illegals noted in above story...http://michellemalkin.com/2011/09/11/ten-years-on-at-the-9-11-7-11/


24 posted on 10/01/2011 2:45:02 PM PDT by moonshinner_09
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To: jneesy

And, since teachers consistently yell that class size is too large, we can expect the knowledge level of the students will rise since the teachers have more time to give to the remaining students. Betcha


25 posted on 10/01/2011 2:47:13 PM PDT by wbarmy (I chose to be a sheepdog once I saw what happens to the sheep.)
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To: jneesy

For all those morons who say we can’t deport 11 million illegals, especially George Will, Rick Perry, and Newt Gingrich, and too many here on FR - we don’t have to - they will deport themselves.

Many would have already gone back given the bad economy and the lack of jobs, but they have stayed on because of the hope that Obama or a Bush/McCain like Republican will give them amnesty and citizenship. This belief is aided by the Alinsky organizations like Move-On and La Raza, who tell them hang around, amnesty is around the corner.

Once it becomes clear to them that amnesty is not around the corner and employers who higher them will be going to jail and paying big fines (the current but unenforced laws) you will see and exodus from the USA as a whole just like you are witnessing in Alabama and Arizona (and in Virginia, where local crackdowns have sent illegals into Maryland).


26 posted on 10/01/2011 2:53:02 PM PDT by oldbill
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To: moonshinner_09
You’d have no indication at that particular 7-11 what a petty, commonplace, wretched little conspiracy was committed, and what a dreadful, monstrous crime was thereby abetted. That was where and when our self-deception about the illegal labor market and the security risks it presents caught up to us.

thank you for the reminder.

27 posted on 10/01/2011 2:59:10 PM PDT by no-s (B.L.O.A.T. and every day...because some day soon they won't be making any more...for you.)
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To: jneesy

Schools want them back because they receive government subsidies for them.

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The Federation of American Immigration Reform (FAIR): “The total K-12 school expenditure for illegal immigrants costs the states nearly $12 billion annually, and when the children born here to illegal aliens are added, the costs more than double to $28.6 billion.”

twenty-eight billion dollars does not, fully represent the total costs of tax payer’s hard earned money spent on illegal immigrant’s education.  Such classes as English as a second language add an additional $290 to $879 per pupil depending on the size of the class.  Also, since most of these children come from families living in poverty, extra money is spent to pay for free meals for them.  The cost of free meals and English as a second language (plus any other supplemental help) are not calculated in to the above cost.

Federation of American Immigration Reform (FAIR) states that of the $7.7 billion dollars spent on educating illegal aliens in California, 13% of that money could be spent to cover the education budget fall of 2003-04, $1.7 billion of the money could pay for 31,000 teacher’s salaries or furnish 2.8 million computers for school (which would pay for half of the state’s students to have an individual computer) or could prevent educational shortfalls for the future.  The bottom line is that illegal immigrants are costing tax payers, taking away from American children and causing budgets to be cut in other areas to be able to fund supplemental classes for their needs.

http://spenced190.tumblr.com/post/534624003/illegal-immigration-and-education

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The total K-12 school expenditure for illegal immigrants costs the states $7.4 billion annually—enough to buy a computer for every junior high student nationwide.9

A new Center for Immigration Studies report was released in August, 2004 that shows that illegal immigration cost $10 billion in 2002.4 Based on Census Bureau data, the study estimates that households headed by illegal aliens used $10 billion more in government services than they paid in taxes in 2002. These figures are only for the federal government; costs at the state and local level are also likely to be significant. The study also finds that if illegals were given amnesty, the fiscal deficit at the federal level would grow to nearly $29 billion. Among the findings:

* Illegal alien households are estimated to use $2,700 a year more in services than they pay in taxes, creating a total fiscal burden of nearly $10.4 billion on the federal budget in 2002.

* Among the largest federal costs: Medicaid ($2.5 billion); treatment for the uninsured ($2.2 billion); food assistance programs ($1.9 billion); the federal prison and court systems ($1.6 billion); and federal aid to schools ($1.4 billion).

60 billion dollars are earned by illegal aliens in the U.S. each year. One of Mexico’s largest revenue streams (after exports and oil sales) consists of money sent home by legal immigrants and illegal aliens working in the U.S. Economists say this will help Mexico reduce its $17.8 billion defecit and may bolster the peso. $10 billion dollars (as of 2003) are sent back to Mexico annually, according to the Pew Hispanic Center, reported in an Associated Press article,

between 40 and 50 percent of wage-loss among low-skilled Americans is due to the immigration of low-skilled workers. Some native workers lose not just wages but their jobs through immigrant competition. An estimated 1,880,000 American workers are displaced from their jobs every year by immigration; the cost for providing welfare and assistance to these Americans is over $15 billion a year.” The National Research Council, part of the National Academy of Sciences, found in 1997 that the average immigrant without a high school education imposes a net fiscal burden on public coffers of $89,000 during the course of his or her lifetime. The average immigrant with only a high school education creates a lifetime fiscal burden of $31,000.8

http://www.cairco.org/econ/econ.html


28 posted on 10/01/2011 3:05:21 PM PDT by kcvl
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The Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR), in its Immigration Issues website section entitled “The Fiscal Burden of Illegal Immigration on United States Taxpayers,” last revised in Feb. 2011, stated:
“Illegal immigration costs U.S. taxpayers about $113 billion a year at the federal, state and local level… The annual outlay that illegal aliens cost U.S. taxpayers is an average amount per native-headed household of $1,117... Education for the children of illegal aliens constitutes the single largest cost to taxpayers, at an annual price tag of nearly $52 billion...

At the federal level, about one-third of outlays are matched by tax collections from illegal aliens. At the state and local level, an average of less than 5 percent of the public costs associated with illegal immigration is recouped through taxes collected from illegal aliens. Most illegal aliens do not pay income taxes. Among those who do, much of the revenues collected are refunded to the illegal aliens when they file tax returns...

http://immigration.procon.org/view.answers.php?questionID=000788


29 posted on 10/01/2011 3:08:54 PM PDT by kcvl
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Providing K12 Education to Illegal Immigrants: Costs to States
The 1.5 million school-aged illegal immigrants residing in the United States4 and their 2 million U.S.-born siblings can be divided among the states using government estimates of the illegal alien population.5 Using each state’s per-pupil expenditure reported by the U.S. Department of Education,6 cost estimates for educating illegal immigrants in each state are shown below. 

http://www.fairus.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=17193&security=1601&news_iv_ctrl=1901

In Arizona, the $748 million spent annually educating illegal immigrant children could:

Improve state funding for education, which in this year’s Quality Counts 2005 state-by-state education report ranked Arizona 50th in per-pupil spending. To close the gap with the national average in spending per student would cost the state an additional $1.6 billion.

Help close the potential gap resulting from decreased federal 2006 funding to the state of between $587$763 million.


30 posted on 10/01/2011 3:14:26 PM PDT by kcvl
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The bill would also forbid undocumented immigrants from driving in the state or accessing public benefits. Those who are caught driving would face a month of jail time and would have to turn over the car they’re driving. The bill also seeks to crack down on the immigrant community’s enablers by making it a Class 1 misdemeanor if a public employee failed to report any violation of national immigration laws — such a violation is currently a Class 2 misdemeanor. Identity theft would result in 180 days of jail time.

SB 1611 would also bar undocumented immigrants from enrolling in community colleges — entirely. Current law states that those who cannot prove legal presence in this country cannot receive the discounted tuition available to Arizona residents. But they may enroll if they pay the full out-of-state tuition and fees. SB 1611 would preclude their admission entirely. Pearce said it is irrelevant that the fees these students are paying may help keep tuition down for Arizona residents. “They can’t be employed’’ in this country, he explained, making their education not a benefit to Arizona. And he disputed the contention that out-of-state tuition covers the full cost of educating students at universities or community colleges.

According to the East Valley Tribune, the section of the bill aimed at employers is designed to put teeth into a 2007 law allowing a state judge to suspend or revoke the business licenses of firms found guilty of knowingly hiring undocumented workers. That law requires companies to use E-Verify, a federal database of authorized workers, though there is no penalty for failing to comply. The result, said Pearce, is that only about 25 percent of Arizona firms actually check to see if new workers are in the country legally. Lastly, SB 1611 would require that the state attorney general sanction any business that does not make use of the database. Companies would be forced to get with the program or face suspension of their business licenses. Failure to sign up within six months would let the attorney general ask a judge to suspend any and all licenses that allow the firm to remain in business. Pearce said, though, that the mandate would apply only to companies that actually are hiring. “If you’re a mom-and-pop shop, only work with family ... that was meant to be an exception,’’ he noted.

http://thenewamerican.com/usnews/immigration/6450-arizona-introduces-new-immigration-bill-dubbed-qsb-1070-on-steroidsq


31 posted on 10/01/2011 3:18:56 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: Cicero
School officials are urging them to return, no problemo.

Well, now Alabama voters have a clear-cut litmus test issue to vote on in local School board elections.

32 posted on 10/01/2011 3:21:09 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass
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To: jneesy
The anxiety has become so intense that the superintendent in one of the state's largest cities, Huntsville, went on a Spanish-language television show Thursday to try to calm widespread worries

Just why the hell should the superintendent do that? If they are here legally, they have no worries. If they are here ilegally, they shouldn't be stealing our schools funding; and there is no reason school officials should be encourage them to do so. We have GOT to start eliminating public officials who encourage this kind of BS

33 posted on 10/01/2011 3:54:43 PM PDT by DCBurgess58 (In a Capitalist society, men exploit other men. In a Communist society it's exactly the opposite.)
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To: Farmer Dean

California here they come!


34 posted on 10/01/2011 4:11:17 PM PDT by aquila48
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To: heiss

Well, it’s obvious that those folks down in Alabama “don’t have a heart,” according to Gov. Perry.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry8CpIg2fvU


35 posted on 10/01/2011 4:17:35 PM PDT by Memphis Moe
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To: jneesy

The schools and state are begging them to stay.

No one ever mentions these people all have a country of their own.


36 posted on 10/01/2011 4:22:01 PM PDT by Williams (Honey Badger Don't Care)
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To: jneesy
Education officials say scores of immigrant families have withdrawn their children from classes or kept them home this week, afraid that sending the kids to school would draw attention from authorities.

Correction:

Education officials say scores of illegal immigrant families have withdrawn their children from classes...
37 posted on 10/01/2011 4:27:16 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: moonshinner_09

We drive past this 7-11 often and there are always crowds of men waiting to be hired.


38 posted on 10/01/2011 5:40:14 PM PDT by stellaluna
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To: fwdude

They have left GA in droves. Thank God!! Our new immigration law phases E-Verify in over several years. Ala is even tougher than GA.


39 posted on 10/01/2011 7:03:05 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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40 posted on 10/01/2011 7:18:51 PM PDT by MestaMachine (Wanna confuse obama? Ask him his REAL name.)
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To: jneesy

Take away all the freebies and it will be Mexican politicians talking about building a fence along the Rio Grande. Only in this case, we’ll make them build it on their side of the river.


41 posted on 10/01/2011 7:24:08 PM PDT by SamAdams76 (Palin/Cain 2012 - NO MORE RINOs)
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To: Farmer Dean

“They just moved to another State.This law needs to go national.”

That wont do much good, the feds don’t control our schools our States do.


42 posted on 10/01/2011 9:12:49 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: Mamzelle

“Yup. Illegals are also desaparado from Georgia, and South Carolina is in process of tightening their own laws. But NC still has Dumb Bev.”

You mean totalitarian Bev? The same democrat that wants to halt congressional election to deal with the “emergency”?

Let the liberal states pick up the tab for the foreigners if they want to. let them send their money over seas. Kill all the Federal money going to education for among other reasons to keep them from forcing the rest of us to subsidies this cost.


43 posted on 10/01/2011 10:25:18 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: jneesy
Education officials say scores of immigrant families have withdrawn their children from classes or kept them home this week, afraid that sending the kids to school would draw attention from authorities.

Those of us residing in AZ told you all this works!!! IS there any doubt why little boy king Barry sued our state?

IF the laws of the USA were enforced we would have a massive defacto deportation of millions who are breaking our laws on a daily basis.
44 posted on 10/02/2011 8:24:50 AM PDT by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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