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Assassin-in-Chief
National Review ^ | Nov. 1, 2010 | Kevin D. Williamson

Posted on 10/01/2011 4:13:28 PM PDT by americanophile

Here are two facts: (1) Anwar al-Awlaki is an American citizen and an al-Qaeda propagandist. (2) Pres. Barack Obama proposes to assassinate him. Between the first fact and the second falls the shadow.

The Awlaki case has led many conservatives into dangerous error, as has the War on Terror more generally. That conservatives are for the most part either offering mute consent or cheering as the Obama administration draws up a list of U.S. citizens to be assassinated suggests not only that have we gone awry in our thinking about national security, limitations on state power, and the role of the president in our republic, but also that we still do not understand all of the implications of our country’s confrontation with Islamic radicalism. The trauma of 9/11 has deposited far too much emotional residue upon our thinking, and the Awlaki case provides occasion for a necessary scouring. Contra present conservative dogma, the Constitution has relatively little to say about the role of the president in matters of what we now call national security, which is not synonymous with combat operations. What the Constitution says is this: “The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States.” That is all. Upon this sandy foundation, conservative security and legal thinkers have constructed a fortress of a presidency that is nearly unlimited or actually unlimited in its power to define and pursue national-security objectives. But a commander-in-chief is not a freelance warlord, and his titular powers do not extend over everything that touches upon national security.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government
KEYWORDS: assassination; awlaki; president
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"Obama and his administration now insist on the president’s right not only to order the assassination of U.S. citizens, but to do so in secret, without oversight from Congress, the public, or anybody else. Barack Obama today claims powers that would have made Julius Caesar blush."

Yep. This is a total violation of the Constitution. Too bad so many conservatives are all onboard because they like the results.

1 posted on 10/01/2011 4:13:32 PM PDT by americanophile
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To: americanophile

I’m onboard with it. Collaborate with Al Qaeda, and I want you shot on the spot. This is war.


2 posted on 10/01/2011 4:17:41 PM PDT by A_perfect_lady (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: americanophile

“This is a total violation of the Constitution.”

Perhaps, but no one will bother to pursue impeachment and there would be no support for such a move.


3 posted on 10/01/2011 4:19:28 PM PDT by trumandogz
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To: americanophile

We have killed a lot of innocent people in the wars. This guy wasn’t innocent and I’m glad he’s dust.


4 posted on 10/01/2011 4:20:30 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: A_perfect_lady

If we are truly at war with terrorism, then “war is hell”. Get er done.


5 posted on 10/01/2011 4:20:46 PM PDT by liege (Proud Hobbit with no intention of going back to Middle Earth.)
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To: A_perfect_lady

First, I would suggest you read the entire article. Then I would suggest that you consider who determines whether someone has in fact ‘collaborated’ with anyone before they are summarily executed by a secret, non-reviewable order of his majesty the president.


6 posted on 10/01/2011 4:21:28 PM PDT by americanophile ("this absurd theology of an immoral Bedouin, is a rotting corpse which poisons our lives" - Ataturk)
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To: americanophile
The puke was born here but he wasn't a citizen, didn't want to be a citizen, and now that he's dead nobody but an idiot can continue to believe that he was a citizen in any respect.

He made war against ME, if not YOU (and we might ask why that was eh?) AND because he did so the President had a job to do as CIC to destroy him and his companions UTTERLY and TERMINALLY.

Real Conservatives understand that. Only mind-numbed, knee-jerk, robot-like Leftwingtards can possibly hold to a different position.

7 posted on 10/01/2011 4:22:30 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: americanophile

“Yep. This is a total violation of the Constitution. Too bad so many conservatives are all onboard because they like the results.”

The connections between that vermin (Awlaki, not Obama) between AQ and operatives here are undeniable. He was an un-uniformed enemy combatant and traitor. Period.

You fail to mention the whole “protect from enemies foreign or domestic” thingy, too. This asshole was both. He should have been shot on sight.

As distasteful as it is for me to approve of any Obamaism, our armed forces were both correct and fulfilling their oaths. End of story.


8 posted on 10/01/2011 4:22:48 PM PDT by jessduntno (Obama shanks. America tanks.)
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To: A_perfect_lady; ilovesarah2012; liege; AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; ...

Thanks A_perfect_lady, ilovesarah2012, and liege. The thing that’s bad about these UAVs is that it kills people too dead. They have that in common with the Neutron Bomb and other nuclear weapons. /s


9 posted on 10/01/2011 4:23:21 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: muawiyah

Only mind-numbed, knee-jerk, robot-like Leftwingtards can possibly hold to a different position.”

You left out “mind-numbed, knee-jerk, robot-like Paultards”...


10 posted on 10/01/2011 4:25:31 PM PDT by jessduntno (Obama shanks. America tanks.)
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To: A_perfect_lady
Well said.

I don't care if I know you, went to school with you, worked with you........

Sign up with the enemy and you need to take a dirt nap.

11 posted on 10/01/2011 4:25:52 PM PDT by LasVegasMac (Have ya hit 'em in the a$$, Never let off the gas 'til ya rolled into Victory Lane?)
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To: americanophile

Awlaki took up arms with a foreign army that has declared war on us and conducted attacks against us.

He was killed overseas in a military strike.

This one is a no-brainer, it’s not even close.

One could think of hypothetical situations that are close to the line, but this is not one of them.


12 posted on 10/01/2011 4:26:16 PM PDT by Meet the New Boss (The pain from Cain falls mainly on Hussein)
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To: SunkenCiv

The UAV left so little of this puke behind there was hardly enough to pound a stake in it.


13 posted on 10/01/2011 4:27:01 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: americanophile

“We are at war with Eastasia. We have always been at war with Eastasia.”


14 posted on 10/01/2011 4:27:10 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (The solution to fix Congress: Nuke em from orbit. It's the only way to be sure!)
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To: SunkenCiv

“The thing that’s bad about these UAVs is that it kills people too dead.”

Insert Monty Python’s Parrot Shop sketch here....


15 posted on 10/01/2011 4:27:35 PM PDT by jessduntno (Obama shanks. America tanks.)
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To: jessduntno
Paultards are so far out of it there's no sense mentioning them anymore.

They have suffered a final detachment from American reality.

16 posted on 10/01/2011 4:28:15 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: americanophile

The Obama admin was very concerned with the rights of the terrorists at GITMO...to the point of absurdity...

Then they go and completely abandon due process...


17 posted on 10/01/2011 4:28:27 PM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: americanophile

Who said al-Awlaki is either a Natural Born Citizen, or a Naturalized Citizen of the United States? Not Wiki, see below part of their history.

In June 2002, a Denver federal judge signed off on an arrest warrant for al-Awlaki for passport fraud.[84] On October 9, the Denver U.S. Attorney’s Office filed a motion to dismiss its complaint, and vacate the arrest warrant. It did so because prosecutors felt ultimately that they lacked evidence of a crime, according to U.S. Attorney Dave Gaouette, who authorized its withdrawal.[3] While al-Awlaki had falsely listed Yemen as his place of birth on his 1990 application for a U.S. Social Security number, which he then used to obtain a passport in 1993, he later changed his place of birth information to Las Cruces, New Mexico.[3][85] Prosecutors could not charge him, because a 10-year statute of limitations on lying to the Social Security Administration had expired.[86] The motion was approved by a magistrate judge on October 10, and filed on October 11.[8][24][87] As a result, agents were unable to arrest him when he arrived at John F. Kennedy International Airport in the U.S. on October 10, 2002, the day the judge signed the order rescinding his warrant.[8][24][87]
ABC News reported that the decision to cancel the arrest warrant outraged members of a Joint Terrorism Task Force in San Diego who were monitoring al-Awlaki, and wanted to “look at him under a microscope”. But Gaouette said there had not been any objection to the warrant being rescinded during a meeting attended by Ray Fournier, the San Diego federal diplomatic security agent whose allegation had set in motion the effort to obtain a warrant.[3] Gaouette opined that if al-Awlaki had been convicted, he would have faced about 6 months in custody.[86] “The bizarre thing is if you put Yemen down (on the application), it would be harder to get a Social Security number than to say you are a native-born citizen of Las Cruces,” Gaouette said.[3] The New York Times noted, however, that al-Awlaki apparently did it so he could qualify for scholarship money given to foreign citizens.[44] U.S. Congressman Frank R. Wolf (R-VA) wrote in May 2010 that it was his understanding that by doing so al-Awlaki fraudulently obtained more than $20,000 in scholarship funds reserved for foreign students, for which he was not eligible.[88]


18 posted on 10/01/2011 4:30:57 PM PDT by virgin (Don't screw with me.)
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To: ltc8k6

Naw, after about the 187th time an AlQaida puke got stopped trying to assassinate him or some poor shopper in a suburban mall I think Obama finally figured it out ~ that his advisors were just as stupid as he had been when it comes to AlQaida.


19 posted on 10/01/2011 4:31:20 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: americanophile

No oversight from congress?
HUH? Bush said “ we will get you no matter where you are...if you are a terrorist, or harbor terrorists...”

Doesn’t sound too secret to me.

Also, how do you explain the Civil War ending up with a whole lot of American citizens dead...at the “orders” of the President sending out the Union Army? The confederate soldiers ( and any non-uniformed Confederates ) also disavowed allegiance to the Union.


20 posted on 10/01/2011 4:32:34 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Rick Perry 2012)
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To: americanophile

I will not lose sleep over this guy being killed.

Now he can’t plan anymore terrorist attacks, which is a good thing.


21 posted on 10/01/2011 4:34:17 PM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: americanophile

I think i want to throw my two cents worth into this...

Anybody who turns to lawlessness must realize the consequences of their actions.

Anyone who has turned their back on their country to the point of joining a terrorist organization in another country bent on destroying the peace and tranquility of their country had better expect that country to renounce, revoke, or otherwise remove their citizenship.

Once that citizenship is removed, either by their own declaration or by a public declaration by the government of that contry, they cannot expect anything other than complete and utter destruction by the hand of that country.

I think this case fits that bill.


22 posted on 10/01/2011 4:34:57 PM PDT by irishtenor (Everything in moderation, however, too much whiskey is just enough... Mark Twain)
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To: americanophile
From the US Constitution - Article III, Section 3:

Treason against the United States shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, ...

All that's needed to convict someone of Treason is two witnesses ... hopefully who would testify under oath and provide substantiating evidence.

Clearly absent is any reference to trial by a jury of peers, right to cross-examine witnesses, representation by counsel, or any of the other characteristics of a civil trial.

Thus, there should be no difficulty in getting a conviction on a charge of treason. If Treason is a capital crime, which I believe it is, dispatching alWaki (or whatever his name is) via drone/missile is fully consistent with the Constitution.

23 posted on 10/01/2011 4:37:17 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: americanophile
The current ability of terrorist traitors to keep their U.S. citizenship is an outrage (thanks, CAIR and ACLU).

But Congress will need to clearly address this issue, because it does set a troublesome precedent.

A trial in absentia, along with the State Dept. officially stripping this scumbag of his citizenship due to treason, would have been ideal before his execution. Ditto for Adam Gadahn, his time will come too.

24 posted on 10/01/2011 4:37:54 PM PDT by rfp1234 (Anybody but Baracchio in 2012)
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To: A_perfect_lady

“This is war.”

This hasn’t been a war since 2003.

If it had been, it would have been over years ago.

This is PC nation-building boondoggle or as Obama calls it “an overseas contingency operation”


25 posted on 10/01/2011 4:37:54 PM PDT by wilco200 (11/4/08 - The Day America Jumped the Shark)
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Constitutionalists are so out there.
They think our laws are based on it. /sarc

Besides all that. This event has shown an unbelievable amout of hypocrisy from the Left.

Obama has changed his views on (remember when):
- Reading field combatants their Miranda rights.
- Closing of Gitmo.
- Military trials (Gitmo) vs. Civil trials (New York). - Indefinite Detention.
- Enhanced Interrogation techniques.
- The Patriot Act. Wire tapping is just wrong.
- The Iraqi surge. - Attacking sovereign countries. Iraq was wrong. But bombing Libya, Yemen and Pakistan is OK.
- Killing American citizens and denying them their 5th and 14th Amendment rights.

Obama when he first came into office wanted to call the War on Terrorism a “Manned Made Disaster”

He changes the rules on this daily just like he does on almost everything. And that is what is wrong with his leadership skills.

The only thing they haven’t changed their view on is water boarding.


26 posted on 10/01/2011 4:39:32 PM PDT by cruise_missile
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To: americanophile
If Al Awlaki deserved to die because he was a major recruiter and ideologue of our enemies, along with fulminating Anti-American activities.

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Then doesn't Jane Fonda deserve to be killed?

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Or even John Kerry?

27 posted on 10/01/2011 4:41:41 PM PDT by PanzerKardinal (Some things are so idiotic only an intellectual would believe it.)
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To: A_perfect_lady
I’m onboard with it. Collaborate with Al Qaeda, and I want you shot on the spot. This is war.

Then how 'bout we actually declare one.

28 posted on 10/01/2011 4:41:44 PM PDT by montag813 (http://www.StandWithArizona.com)
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To: americanophile

Bill Maher Cheers Murder of U.S. Citizen Awlaki, Favored Civilian Trial for 9/11 Mastermind KSM (Just last year)

How things have changed with the Left.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2011/10/01/maher-cheers-assassination-us-citizen-awlaki-favored-civilian-trial-9#ixzz1ZZnKXTNM


29 posted on 10/01/2011 4:42:08 PM PDT by cruise_missile
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To: americanophile
This is a total violation of the Constitution.

So is the interpretation of the 14th Ammendment in regard to "anchor babies". So where do we start and end on this one? Do we need to go through this whole arguement again? If, so, then maybe some so-called learned individuals will start to look just a bit deeper than the MSM.

30 posted on 10/01/2011 4:42:18 PM PDT by mazda77
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To: americanophile

Him being an American citizen was forfeited when he went over to the dark side and encouraged and helped his fellow fanatics kill us other American citizens. I’m glad not one drop of blood was shed to go in and get him and bring him to trial. He was an American citizen in words only.


31 posted on 10/01/2011 4:43:10 PM PDT by Dawgreg (Happiness is not having what you want, but wanting what you have.)
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To: muawiyah

You are 100% on the mark, Muawiyah; it’s also possible the services already set up a task group to get Al-Awaki which PRE-DATED the Obama administration; Obama would just have signed off on it at the insistence of ADM Mullins. I don’t know any of this for a fact, but it would lend continuity to the flow of events.


32 posted on 10/01/2011 4:45:35 PM PDT by Ken522
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To: americanophile
The Constitution is also mute about what, precisely, constitutes "due process" in this particular situation. Much being made of the fact that the target - I will not say "victim" - was allegedly an American citizen. I might point out that the entire campaign is, with respect to foreign citizens, also contrary to international laws to which the U.S. is a signator.

What of it? Here we have an open enemy who is using sanctuary granted under both sets of law to make war against the United States, kill its citizens, destroy its property, blacken its name and motivate others to make war against it as well. There is really little grey area here, and the fact that the terrorist may or may not have been born on U.S. soil strikes me as a bit of legal pettifogging. Certainly there must be strict controls over whom among our enemies is targeted this way, and that, within Constitutional strictures, is provided by Congressional oversight committees entrusted with that specific function. Despise 0bama though I do, this is not a case of him picking names out of a hat.

I do not minimize the danger of Star Chambers and secret assassination orders, and I would certainly acceded to a formal review of the process, also as provided for under the Constitutio. But clearly this is a new form of warfare in which he who follows the rules is quickly outmaneuvered by he who does not and hides behind them. That's part of the reason this sort of terror warfare has become so popular. We can talk about process and probably should, but this particular individual gets not a single tear from me no matter what hospital saw his entry into the world he was setting afire.

33 posted on 10/01/2011 4:46:04 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: A_perfect_lady

I agree 100%. You wage war against America, you risk death, no matter what your passport says.


34 posted on 10/01/2011 4:46:06 PM PDT by sand lake bar (This bag may be used as a toy)
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To: americanophile

If he was wearing a military uniform, of a nation-state that we were in a declared war with, wouldn’t we shoot him? Regardless of his earlier birth derived citizenship?

But since islam is too cowardly to fight like men on battlefields, why do we give them advantages?

Why is he less than an officer, in the enemys’ armies?

To me this guy is no different than any other traitor, who fights on the other side.

Declared or undeclared, is is nonetheless war.

Uniform or not, he is a warrior.

Our Constitution was never intended as a suicide pact, inspite of what Dr. Paul might think.


35 posted on 10/01/2011 4:46:06 PM PDT by truth_seeker (is)
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To: jessduntno
You left out “mind-numbed, knee-jerk, robot-like Paultards”

Exactly what I was thinking. This sounds like Ron Paul nuttery. Look, the President swears to defend against enemies, foreign and domestic. This camel jockey was on foreign soil, working with foreign agents to kill Americans. If you're opposed to rubbing him out, then perhaps you favor risking CIA agents' lives to retrieve him and give him a nice long trial here in the 'States. Then, during the trial, Al-Qaeda can learn how we found him.

36 posted on 10/01/2011 4:47:20 PM PDT by GOP_Party_Animal
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To: muawiyah; americanophile; All
A note on 'intolerance': I don't doubt that there are decent individual Muslims, but as a unique theocratic doctrine, Islam has proven to be among the world's most uncompromisingly hostile, violent, xenophobic, intolerant, misogynistic, regressive and imperialistic ideologies. A battle of more than 2,000 years has been waged by imperial Islam against Christianity, and all those ideologies that differ from this Bedouin mythology, and much of the cradle of Christianity has been conquered. Ignoring the evil of this rabidly anti-Semitic ideology is tantamount to ignoring Nazism because some Germans were decent. Thanks to Islam, there simply is no compromise between the peaceful teachings of enlightened Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, etc., and the regressive totalitarianism of Sharia. I am cognizant, and have great respect for the American tradition of free religious expression, but I also understand its limits - neither it, nor Christianity, is a suicide pact. I absolutely don't advocate any kind of violence against peaceful Muslims, but neither do I believe that the rest of us are required to surrender our faiths, our culture, or our lives in pursuit of an illusory pluralism that exists nowhere in the Islamic world.

Anyone out there seen this before? ANYONE????

37 posted on 10/01/2011 4:47:40 PM PDT by bigheadfred (But alas)
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To: americanophile

At least the kilt dude was provably an American citizen, which still cannot be said of the usurper who ordered him killed.


38 posted on 10/01/2011 4:49:22 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: SunkenCiv; Grampa Dave
Show me the body.....

If it's really him, ok, but if all this was to burnish Obama' s record in office during plunging polls, it's not. Consider this; The Puzzle Palace loses out on this, one way or another.
39 posted on 10/01/2011 4:50:47 PM PDT by BIGLOOK (Keelhaul Congress!)
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To: A_perfect_lady
This is war.

If this was truly a war, then one would have been declared by Congress, broad enemies named, and we would currently have troops occupying Pakistan at the least (with their nukes under our control), and Saudi Arabia under U.S. directorate, with U.S. Army Intel combing through all "princes", banks and paperwork on the Peninsula for links to AQ - and crush them. We would also never have seen G.W. Bush disgrace us all by going barefoot in that filthy mosque while the WTC was still smoking, and declaring that Satanic cult a "religion of peace". Can you have imagined FDR doing so in a Shinto shrine after Pearl Harbor? And he was a liberal.

40 posted on 10/01/2011 4:51:20 PM PDT by montag813
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To: Billthedrill
The Constitution is also mute about what, precisely, constitutes "due process" in this particular situation.

No it isn't.

See Article III, Section 3:

Treason against the United States shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.
Two witnesses, or a confession in open Court.
41 posted on 10/01/2011 4:51:28 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: americanophile
I guess I missed the part where the U.S. actually declared war.

Barky Obama and his ilk have been calling this a man made disaster.

42 posted on 10/01/2011 4:54:38 PM PDT by cruise_missile
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To: americanophile

He decided to ride with a bad bunch.

He needed killing.


43 posted on 10/01/2011 4:55:10 PM PDT by davetex (All my weapons got melted by a NASA space pod!!)
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To: muawiyah

“Paultards are so far out of it there’s no sense mentioning them anymore.”

Yeah...that’s what I thought about Perot when the jug eared little freak turned out to be a cuckoo clock, I thought, to everyone’s view, but he still got enough of the votes to bless us with Clinton FOR EIGHT YEARS.


44 posted on 10/01/2011 4:55:32 PM PDT by jessduntno (Obama shanks. America tanks.)
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To: americanophile

Count me as being on board with the results.

I only wondered why it took so long to get him.

Now they need to get their hands on Adam Gadahn.

He is a leader of an enemy army. If they can arrest him, great. If not, he’s a target like every other Al Qaeda leader.


45 posted on 10/01/2011 4:55:53 PM PDT by marron
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To: cruise_missile; americanophile
He changes the rules on this daily just like he does on almost everything. And that is what is wrong with his leadership skills.

Bill Maher Cheers Murder of U.S. Citizen Awlaki, Favored Civilian Trial for 9/11 Mastermind KSM (Just last year) I'm looking for the post that gets the point that Nobel Peace Prize laureate Obama would exhume his beloved grandmother and blow her up from a Predator for political gain.What's one more or less AQ-tard!

46 posted on 10/01/2011 4:55:59 PM PDT by Calusa (The pump don't work cause the vandals took the handles. Quoth Bob Dylan.)
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To: PanzerKardinal
If they engage in planning activities intended to kill Americans, sure ~

They should have been tried long ago.

One big difference is they didn't join AlQaida and they weren't running about in Yemen with AlQaida armed military personnel.

At the moment they are nearing retirement and aren't enough of a threat for anyone to worry about. You could send either one of them a subpoena in the mail and they'd respond. That wouldn't been likely with the AlQaida puke.

47 posted on 10/01/2011 4:56:44 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: cruise_missile

Facetious argument ~ there’s no prescribed manner for “declaring war”. You just do it ~ besides, it was AlQaida/Afghanistan that attacked us first.


48 posted on 10/01/2011 4:58:49 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: americanophile
So the National Review supporter of illegal immigration believes that we should have captured Awlaki? He lives in an imaginary world where killing enemy leaders in war is assassination (it isn't) and where American citizens who have declared war on American can use their treason to protect themselves.
I happen to believe that if you declare war on America and help attack it, you lose any and all privileges protections and rights as an American. And so long as you operate on a foreign field and are involved in attacks on America, you will be treated like any other enemy combatant and leader. Had Al-Awlaki wanted to contest the charge and to act as an American, he had every chance to go to the American embassy in Yemen and turn himself in. Barring that, he could have reached out to the media or simply uploaded videos to youtube where he denounced Jihad against America and Americans and re-affirmed his loyalty to America. He did not do this, because he was at war with America. And he died an enemy of America. His status as a traitor should have a been a shield and he never used it as such.

Williams is not patriot, or a man with any sense of patria. He is an oikophobe with no sense of American history, or the law on this matter. I cannot phathom why someone calling himself "Americanophile" would post this, except in derision.

49 posted on 10/01/2011 4:59:03 PM PDT by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: montag813
Then how 'bout we actually declare one.

I'm with you on this....

50 posted on 10/01/2011 5:02:51 PM PDT by freebilly
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