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Perry on in-state tuition for illegals: How else were they supposed to pay for it?
Hotair ^ | 10/2/11 | Allahpundit

Posted on 10/01/2011 10:43:51 PM PDT by American Dream 246

Matt Lewis says he’s improving on this issue. I guess, but that’s mainly because after you’ve tried to win over voters by calling them heartless, there’s really nowhere to go but up. A scene from New Hampshire this morning:

“We have, for decades, had a federal government that has absolutely failed in its constitutional duty to defend our border,” Perry said.

“I’m a governor. I don’t have the pleasure of standing on the stage and criticizing. I have to deal with these issues,” he later added.

Perry continued, “In 2001, we had this choice: Are we going to kick these children over to the curb and say you cannot have access to college? Because the fact of the matter is there’s no way they could pay the out-of-state tuition. And are we going to have them on the government dole over here because they’re not educated? Or are we going to have them in our institutions of higher learning, paying in state tuition, pursuing citizenship?”…

David Connors, the man who asked Perry the in-state tuition question, said he was satisfied with the governor’s answer.

Really? There are no jobs for illegals anywhere in Texas to earn tuition money? I was under the impression that there are quite a lot of jobs available to them, especially since Perry opposes e-Verify. This is the same sleight of hand he tried to use in the debate answer that got him in trouble, equating illegals’ opportunity to go to school in Texas with some sort of moral imperative among taxpayers to subsidize their education. (His wife, campaigning for him in Iowa, framed the choice as between tuition subsidies or welfare.) Somehow, the impoverished U.S. citizen from Mississippi is expected to pay his own way in Austin but the illegal who’s lived in Texas for three years gets a stipend from the locals. And not just in terms of lower tuition rates; apparently they qualify for financial aid too. It must be awfully confusing for Perry, as a “Texas Gaullist” and vocal champion of state sovereignty, to find that prioritizing state residency over national citizenship doesn’t play well with grassroots conservatives outside of Texas itself, but he’d better find clarity soon.

Here’s Romney’s new ad bludgeoning Perry with praise he once received from former Mexican President Vicente Fox. After you watch, read this amusing scolding (which notes some of Mitt’s own immigration heresies) from former Bush speechwriter Michael Gerson, who seems genuinely surprised that Romney would pander so shamelessly on a divisive issue simply to destroy an opponent. That was the old, soulless Romney. The new, soulful Romney should be above that sort of thing. Right?


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: amnesty; heartless; immigration; instatetuition; palin; perry; shamnesty; texas; tuition
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To: American Dream 246

Perry is a RINO idiot, and Wrongney is even further left.

Looks like I’ll be staying home.


101 posted on 10/02/2011 4:32:26 AM PDT by snowrip (Liberal? You are a socialist idiot with no rational argument.)
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To: snowrip

You still need top vote for senate etc. Don’t stay home just leave the top of the ticket blank. I am writing in Sarah on my ballot.


102 posted on 10/02/2011 4:34:47 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: jonrick46
Just up the road from us is a trailer park stuffed full with illegals and their illegal status children. Each illegal status child costs $15,000 to $25,000 a YEAR to attend our local government K-12 school.

So....Okay,..... I'll support in-state tuition for illegals on the same day that the children of illegals are barred from government K-12 schools. And...If a parent illegally attempts to enroll their child in K-12, they are arrested and convicted as a felon and serve hard time for stealing **thousands** of dollars from the taxpayer.

I'll support in-state tuition for illegals on the same day that illegals are barred from every social service in this state. No more food stamps, or Section-8 housing vouchers, or free trips to the emergency room.

I'll support in-state tuition for illegals on the same day that when an invalid social security number is phoned in, the police show up 3 minutes later.

Is it a deal?

103 posted on 10/02/2011 4:39:08 AM PDT by wintertime (I am a Constitutional Restorationist!!! Yes!)
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To: American Dream 246

I’m no Perry fan but are you people reading what he said here? Nothing about paying for illegal’s education. Just that the rate at which the illegal must pay will be less than the exorbitant out of state fees.


104 posted on 10/02/2011 4:40:18 AM PDT by RGSpincich
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To: RGSpincich

Is there something about the word “ILLEGAL” I’m missing?


105 posted on 10/02/2011 4:52:09 AM PDT by bazbo (God would have you vote your conscience, men would have you vote for a "winner".)
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To: American Dream 246

Bookmarking to find article on Perry giving illegals in-state tuition


106 posted on 10/02/2011 4:58:04 AM PDT by 2nd amendment mama ( www.2asisters.org | Self defense is a basic human right!)
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To: American Dream 246

The response of Freepers on this topic really saddens me. If people are so angry that they can’t look at facts and take a forest rather than tree position we are done. Perry is proving he is an honest man. He made a politically suicidal statement and isn’t backing down from it. Why would he do that, why not just spin immediately like Obomination? He beleives what he’s saying. OK step back. What is he saying. Texas went to the Supreme court attempting to not educate illegal children in grade school and high school. They lost. There was a state wide vote and the Texans overwhelmingly voted to provide illegal people who had gone to high school in Texas and who had lived in Texas for 3 years in state tuition. Children from any other state in the union can get in state tuition in Texas after being resident for on year. The illegal has to be on a path to be obtaining legal status. So these families have been in the state at least 3 years, in many cases it has been many more years than that. Their parents have paid state sales tax, property tax or rented from folks paying property tax. In many case the have managed to get on the books so they can pay wage tax also. It is a lousy system because they shouldn’t be here illegally but they are productive citizens and while the country works its way to a solution we need to be pragmatic and fair. When anger talks and says let them get jobs and pay their way the person saying that is being an ass. The overwhelming majority of them have jobs and they are paying instate tuition which gives funding to the college system. The system takes 97% of applicants at its largest campus so they are not crowding out other Texans.If you think that deporting someone to a place where they have not lived since they were a toddler is the right answer you are a fool. These are the best of the crop, these kids who have stayed within the system and are ambitious and want to go to school. Don’t you think we should deport the criminals and the people on welfare first? These kids are an asset if we let them be. I am all for instruction in English only, no La Rasa, no phony liberal degrees in cultural relativism but that is not what is being discussed. The responses to this topic have been a hate fest and I am ashamed to have it on The Free Republic.


107 posted on 10/02/2011 5:04:54 AM PDT by JayGalt
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To: JayGalt

If you’re ashamed of FR, I suggest you leave. I think you’d better check your facts. I don’t believe there was a state wide vote that was overwhelmingly approved, I believe the legislature approved it and Perry signed it.


108 posted on 10/02/2011 5:10:38 AM PDT by beandog (You can't elevate Perry by tearing down Palin)
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To: jonrick46
What it comes down to is you are trying to punish the children for the actions of the parent.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

How we run immigration is CRUEL! **YOU** are the person who is being CRUEL! This is what I have learned over the years:

— Bigamy. Many of the men have two families. One is in the U.S. and the other is completely abandoned in Latin America. I personally have watched as men and women try to arrange divorces over international borders.

-—If it can be complicated here in the U.S., it is even more expensive and difficult across international borders. As a result, the women left behind in the home country are in the sad state of not being able to legally remarry. ( There are few men left in the villages to marry anyway!)

— Whole towns and villages decimated of their men between the ages of 15 and 50.

— The women, children, and elderly in these villages beg their men to come home. They are **defenseless** against predation of many kinds.

— The children who are brought here as young children speak Spanish with difficulty, and culturally have no connection with their home country but are condemned to a shadow life here.

— Because so many men are in the U.S., many women have no hope of ever marrying.

— The brightest, most aggressive, and creative men and women are in this nation. These are the very people who would be facing down corruption if they were in their home country. A corrupt Mexico **hurts** the U.S. too! A less corrupt Mexico would benefit us.

— Most of the families we work with have some siblings that are U.S. citizens and some that are illegal. That makes for some very interesting sibling rivalries.

— None of the illegal children have any contact or relationship with their extended families in their home country. In the meantime, their U.S. siblings freely cross the boarder to spend whole summers with grandparents, aunts, uncles, and cousins.

How do I know that the above is true?

My husband and I are fluent in Spanish. I would translate, on occasion for the illegal community in Maryland when we lived there for 18 years. Now, in this state, our church leaders have asked us to join the Spanish speaking congregation and we have been members there for 3 years. We run the Cub Scout program and help out with missionary work when needed. I also give free piano/keyboard lessons to the kids in the congregation.

109 posted on 10/02/2011 5:12:27 AM PDT by wintertime (I am a Constitutional Restorationist!!! Yes!)
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To: Dagnabitt
"We've got to put the aviation assets in the ground"

When I heard Perry say this, I thought it was my lying ears.

110 posted on 10/02/2011 5:14:35 AM PDT by NautiNurse ("This Is Hermain Cain!" has moved up to #112 in Amazon books. Release date: Oct 4)
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To: jonrick46
Finally....We know how the “fairness” game works:

Well...CRUEL people ( for all the reasons stated in the previous post) will say ..”It's only fair that we extend citizenship now. We paid all that money for their education. They are ambitious and upright young adults. They are assets to the country...etc.”

Then then the CRUEL people will say, “It isn't **FAIR**! Some kids are hardworking and good contributors to the community but aren't ‘college material’. It isn't FAIR that some get citizenship but others don't.”

Then the CRUEL people will say, “Sure they are not going to post-high school training, but they have a job and are high school graduates. Why should their sibling get citizenship but they don't.”

Then the CRUEL people will say, “ They've been in this country 3 , 5, 10 years. We can't send them back!”

It is CRUEL for all the reasons stated in my previous post, to encourage parents to bring illegal children into the U.S. In state tuition does **exactly** that!

I post this, as a person who loves the Spanish speaking community in our county, and who works closely with them, visits their homes weekly, has them to her own home several times a week, and prays with them every Sunday and other times throughout the week.

111 posted on 10/02/2011 5:24:29 AM PDT by wintertime (I am a Constitutional Restorationist!!! Yes!)
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To: jonrick46
Barrack, is that you???

What you're puking up here is Obamas lame line of shared sacrifice.

Thats nothing but bull crap.

What you're calling punishment isn't punishment at all. Lets remove Jose for a moment.

Lets make this between you and me.

Lets say you come from a functional family. Mom and dad work. Pay bills. Do some wise financial planning. Do a good job raising you, and then put you through school.

My parents were divorced, my mom did the best she could, and did a good job, but she could not afford to put me through school.

Now lets say you and I have equal grades, but your parents can afford to put you through school and my mom can't. Am I being punished???

NOOOOOO!!!

Lifes hard. Sometimes its harder for some than others. Thats really what life is.

Maybe your parents did wise financial planning. That takes sacrifice. That takes time to plan. That takes money that could be spent for leisure or pleasure, and instead invested. My dad did none of those things. My mom did the best to her ability. So where your parents sacrificed early on, it paid off later, in the form of your education. My dad failed to sacrifice at all, so when it came time for me to go to school no such luck.

You said "So if a child of an illegal parent graduates from a high school with a 4.0 gradepoint, shouldn’t that achievement be rewarded with the same opportunity the rest of the students who have similar achievement?"

Life OWES nobody. Maybe in kindergarten everybody gets equal milk and cookies. But this is the real world. This is time to man up and be an adult. LIFE doesn't present equal opportunities. And the opportunities it does offer aren't always at convenient times for us. Success isn't about getting EQUAL opportunities. Its about taking advantage of the opportunities presented. Success is also about making your own opportunities when none or few are presented.

What you want is magic world. Where everybody sings Kumbaya and is happy and skittles fall from the sky. You want everybody equally "lucky" with equal outcomes. Well, what some call Luck, is what others call hard work.

The harder you work, the luckier you get.

Luck is where preperation meet hard work.

There is one other key factor here. Its called PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY.

Personal responsibility says "this is my life, not my parents." "I AM responsible for me." "I AM responsible for my happiness." "I AM responsible for my success" (or lack thereof).

Personal responsibility is accepting where you are in life and moving on from there.

These are no longer children, they are 17-18 year old adults. Its time they start acting like it. If they want success, they must go out and earn it.

Punishment suggests taking away something that should be their's. Their parents never worked to be part of the system, so they never provided the opportunities others had. If these young adults are "punished" its by the lack of planning on the parents part. The parents failed the kids.

Get Over It

112 posted on 10/02/2011 5:24:34 AM PDT by mountn man (Happiness is not a destination, its a way of life.)
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To: beandog

I prefer to stay and fight.
According to the Chronicle of Higher Education, Texas and New Mexico are the only states granting in-state tuition and financial aid to illegal aliens. On the other hand, South Carolina, Georgia, and Alabama state policies prevent illegal aliens from attending public universities. This week, the California Supreme Court ruled illegal immigrants can attend college at in-state tuition rates.
You are absolutely right HB 1403 was passed overwhelming by the Texas Legislature not by popular vote. There has been at least one revision Bill 1528. The students at Texas A & M have tried to repeal the law but the movement has been squelched because the legislature is the proper venue. I’m not saying that Perry is my candidate. I am saying that this point of expressed view does not deserve to be considered a litmus test because it is a nuanced issue. I have said that I would be very happy to live somewhere where Sarah Palin could run and win and I still hold out some hope but I will sit on my hands before voting for Romney. I don’t want us to savage Perry so badly that he is not viable in case we need him.


113 posted on 10/02/2011 5:30:55 AM PDT by JayGalt
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To: jonrick46
You agree with AG Martha Coakley, "Technically, it is not illegal to be illegal in MassachusettsTexas."
114 posted on 10/02/2011 5:32:02 AM PDT by Boston Blackie
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To: raybbr
The Perrywinkles continue to talk out of both sides of their mouth........ that controlling immigration is not Texas' responsibility. Then they yamm that in-state tuition is a state's rights issue. Perry has these people convinced that they can do whatever they want whenever they want because they are Texas and only federal laws that benefit them are the ones they want.

N-i-c-e summation of Senor Perrynista. He hogties Texans by appealing to their Big D chauvinism---and reinforces the ego appeal by saying "we can secede whenever we want to." That frees Perry to conduct all the funny business he wants. On the national stage, Texas talk does not resonate.....voters want presiidential talk. But Perry does not have it to give.

115 posted on 10/02/2011 5:35:07 AM PDT by Liz (The rule of law must prevail. We can’t govern ourselves by our personal point of view.)
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To: org.whodat
"Damn doofus, Alabama, and Arizona have taken action"

Yeah, but Alabama and Arizona are both full of HEARTLESS people. I am proud to say that New Mexico's Governor Susana Martinez is showing that she is HEARTLESS as well. GO SUSANA!
116 posted on 10/02/2011 5:38:24 AM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: mountn man

You posted a most excellent post.

Sums it all up.


117 posted on 10/02/2011 5:40:47 AM PDT by dforest
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To: American Dream 246

As a Texas native, and long time resident, with a son attending the University of Texas at Austin, I have a few thoughts about this issue.

First, academic admission to the top tier colleges in Texas is a challenge. For some of the schools it is arguably as difficult as achieving admission to one of the Ivy League schools.

The admissions requirements alone, tend to reduce the supposed attractiveness of in state tuition for children who are not documented.

Secondly, Texas in-state tuition and out-of-state tuition compare favorably to other schools in the nation. It is certainly cheaper for a student from an Ivy League state to attend college at a top school in Texas than it is for a Texas student to attend an Ivy League college. Data is available here: http://www.kiplinger.com/tools/colleges/

So, Texas is not treating students from other states any differently, and in fact more favorably, than those states treat Texas students.

As for undocumented students. Here are the requirements: a student is allowed to pay in-state tuition if he has attended high school in Texas for 36 consecutive months, has graduated from a Texas high school, and, in the case of an undocumented student, signs an affidavit saying he will apply for legal status as soon as he is legally able to do so.

So what does that mean in practice?

Two examples from my son’s friends might be illustrative.

The first was a young man whose mother was born from American citizen parents living in Canada. She lived in Canada, where she met a Swede. They married and bore a son while living in Canada. The parents divorced, and the mother and son moved to Texas, where she obtained US citizenship.

She applied for citizenship for her son when she was allowed to do so. The application was tied up in the US bureaucracy for years.

The son graduated high school and was accepted for admission to a Texas college, where he was eligible for in-state tuition. He was an “affidavit” student.

Subsequently, his application for US citizenship was denied. He left Texas and moved to Canada, where he obtained Canadian citizenship. He now is attending college in Canada at a lower cost than the in-state tuition in Texas. So much for the supposed lure of Texas in-state tuition. After graduation, he will apply for work visa in the US, as he wants to return to his family home.

The second young man is the son of a family from Malaysia.

His father was transferred to Texas by a major oil company under a US work permit. They lived in Texas for a number of years, and the son attended public school here.

During the last year of high school, the father was transferred back to Malaysia.

The son elected to complete his high school education here with his classmates.

He met the academic requirements and was accepted by a college in Texas. He applied for a student visa.

He met the residency requirements. While waiting on the student visa, he was an “affidavit student” at a Texas college paying in-state tuition. Subsequently, his student visa was granted and he is now working on a master’s degree. He also will apply for a work visa when that becomes an option.

Interestingly, while I know of the history of these two classmates of my son, I do not know of a single example that those of you from outside Texas must envision when you think of “in-state tuition for illegals.”

My son attended a very large high school in the Houston area, so one would think that among his friends, there should have been an example. There just is not, although many of his friends are from other countries.

So based on our family’s experience, I think that many of the “affidavit” students must have circumstances similar to my son’s friends. That being the case, the current law seems to treat them and the state of Texas fairly.


118 posted on 10/02/2011 5:40:56 AM PDT by LOC1 (Let's pick the best, not settle for a compromise.)
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To: caww

“Why isn’t this a states right issue? And why can’t folks accept that TX made its choice, and just leave it at that?”

Because the office he now seeks is President of the United States not Governor of Texas.


119 posted on 10/02/2011 5:41:11 AM PDT by ncphinsfan
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To: mountn man

bttt


120 posted on 10/02/2011 5:46:15 AM PDT by petercooper (2012 - Purge more RINO's.)
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To: beandog

“If you’re ashamed of FR, I suggest you leave. I think you’d better check your facts. I don’t believe there was a state wide vote that was overwhelmingly approved, I believe the legislature approved it and Perry signed it.”

You’re correct. This line that he spews about the state of Texas wanting it, is a lie. This bill was covertly passed and the people had no idea until after the fact. We didn’t want it and still don’t. HB 1403 was passed into law at a time when the Democratic Party was about to lose its majority in the Texas Legislature and Republicans did not want the issues of affirmative action or illegal immigration brought up in an election year. During the floor debates, this bill was described as a technical measure that would help constituents and, in its original format, was designed to reward Mexican nationals only.


121 posted on 10/02/2011 5:51:41 AM PDT by TxAnn56
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To: mountn man

AMEN on post 112!!


122 posted on 10/02/2011 5:53:21 AM PDT by Dianer0839 (Without the Bread of Life..You're toast.)
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To: American Dream 246

When my dad came to this country, legally and duly sponsored, at age 16 with his parents, he saw the kids going to college and decided he wanted that. So he worked 3 jobs to be able to afford it.

Does Perry think Mexicans are inferior and cant be expected to earn money? Isn’t that racist?


123 posted on 10/02/2011 5:54:39 AM PDT by Yaelle
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To: mountn man; jonrick46
Please read my posts #109 and #113.

Those who advocate making it more rewarding to be in the U.S. illegally are the **cruel** people.

Those who are demanding strict enforcement and making it harder and more unpleasant to live here illegally are the conservatives with the **compassion**.

By the way,....have you ever read the children's book, “If You Give a Mouse A Cookie”? It applies to jonrick46,

124 posted on 10/02/2011 5:56:24 AM PDT by wintertime (I am a Constitutional Restorationist!!! Yes!)
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To: American Dream 246

Also, isn’t perry heartless to the poor of Africa? It’s not their fault their border is so far from Texas! Does he enjoy watching them starve? He must actually want them uneducated and in the streets! Heartless! Rbi g them all to Texas!


125 posted on 10/02/2011 5:59:40 AM PDT by Yaelle
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To: Liz

Nice pun. :)


126 posted on 10/02/2011 6:01:48 AM PDT by stilloftyhenight
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To: ncphinsfan
why can’t folks accept that TX made its choice, and just leave it at that?”

Because Texas is "OUR" border state and Americans do not want it as a the "gateway state for illegal aliens" who further infilitrate the entire nation, which is what it is today.

Thus large scale infilitration across Open Borders creates demographic changes that result in demographic shifts that 'change a countries political power structures' in favor of the new demographic and against the existing people of a region or country.

Between illegals from Mexico and "other" undesirables, and the thousands of muslims in Texas ....the handwriting is on the wall what can be expected in the future...both Mexicans and Muslims are laying claim to Texas.

127 posted on 10/02/2011 6:02:49 AM PDT by caww
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To: mountn man; jonrick46
I am sorry. It is my post #111.
128 posted on 10/02/2011 6:04:56 AM PDT by wintertime (I am a Constitutional Restorationist!!! Yes!)
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To: JayGalt
He beleives what he’s saying
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I believe him, too! I also **KNOW** from experience in working very very closely with our county's Spanish community that his immigration policies would make CRUEL practices even more CRUEL.

Please read my posts, #109 and #111.

Those advocating for strict enforcement of immigration law, and making it even tougher to live and work here illegally are the **compassionate** conservatives.

Perry with his proposals is being cluelessly CRUEL!

129 posted on 10/02/2011 6:14:47 AM PDT by wintertime (I am a Constitutional Restorationist!!! Yes!)
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To: ari-freedom
What’s the point of college for illegals if we’re supposed to punish employers for hiring them? oh wait...Perry doesn’t believe in doing that, either

He's toughened employer sanctions (HB 1196, for example) and toughened penalties against document/id fraud (HB 126). There's no driver's licenses for illegals either.

HB 1196 requires any business convicted under 8 USC Section 1324, to repay to the state with interest the full amount of any benefit including grants, loans, loan guarantees, enterprise/empowerment zone benefits, fee waivers, land price subsidies, tax refunds, tax rebates, tax abatements, matching funds, etc. within 120 days. Any level of gov't can sue such a company to recover funds, including court costs, and there's no statue of limitations.

130 posted on 10/02/2011 6:15:35 AM PDT by newzjunkey (Obama wins reelecton.)
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To: ari-freedom
What’s the point of college for illegals if we’re supposed to punish employers for hiring them? oh wait...Perry doesn’t believe in doing that, either

He's toughened employer sanctions (HB 1196, for example) and toughened penalties against document/id fraud (HB 126). There's no driver's licenses for illegals either.

HB 1196 requires any business convicted under 8 USC Section 1324, to repay to the state with interest the full amount of any benefit including grants, loans, loan guarantees, enterprise/empowerment zone benefits, fee waivers, land price subsidies, tax refunds, tax rebates, tax abatements, matching funds, etc. within 120 days. Any level of gov't can sue such a company to recover funds, including court costs, and there's no statue of limitations.

131 posted on 10/02/2011 6:15:35 AM PDT by newzjunkey (Obama wins reelecton.)
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To: ari-freedom
Oh the usual suspects will show up and say Texas high employment rate is to blame for the illegals... of course, if illegals have all the jobs, why are they given aid and rewarded for criminal behavior? Pandering to Hispanic voters, that's why.
132 posted on 10/02/2011 6:18:19 AM PDT by rintense (Polls are for strippers and cross country skiing. ~ Sarah Palin, 9.3.11)
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To: Liz; South40; org.whodat; cripplecreek

Geez... and people thought GWB was dumb!


133 posted on 10/02/2011 6:20:00 AM PDT by rintense (Polls are for strippers and cross country skiing. ~ Sarah Palin, 9.3.11)
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To: mountn man
"Sending illegals back isn't cruel. Hard, yes. Inconvenient, yes. But cruel? ... No"

I look at it this way we are just doing for the Mexicans what the left wants for the Palestinians the 'RIGHT OF RETURN'. ;-)
134 posted on 10/02/2011 6:20:46 AM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: JayGalt
Their parents have paid state sales tax, property tax or rented from folks paying property tax. In many case the have managed to get on the books so they can pay wage tax also.
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Property tax on rental property? Well....What percentage of property tax is being paid when there are are SEVEN men sleeping in one bedroom and the apartment is Section-8 housing???

How much property tax is being paid on Section-8 housing with THREE families with six kids living in it?

Huh?

Yes,...I see this ALL THE TIME!!!

Please read my posts #109 and #111.

135 posted on 10/02/2011 6:21:29 AM PDT by wintertime (I am a Constitutional Restorationist!!! Yes!)
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To: EDINVA
Why isn’t this a states right issue? And why can’t folks accept that TX made its choice, and just leave it at that?

So you're ok with New York, Massachusetts, etc. making gay marriage legal then?

You're ok with Oregon allowing euthanasia then?

136 posted on 10/02/2011 6:23:12 AM PDT by rintense (Polls are for strippers and cross country skiing. ~ Sarah Palin, 9.3.11)
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To: Haddit

Somehow all the Perry cheerleaders keep missing that fact.


137 posted on 10/02/2011 6:25:04 AM PDT by rintense (Polls are for strippers and cross country skiing. ~ Sarah Palin, 9.3.11)
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To: raybbr
Exactly right! It's either the feds responsibility or a states rights issues. How and the heck are we supposed to understand his supporters when Perry can't even articulate a logical position.

A bunch of apologist parrots.

138 posted on 10/02/2011 6:27:18 AM PDT by rintense (Polls are for strippers and cross country skiing. ~ Sarah Palin, 9.3.11)
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To: 9YearLurker

Affirmative action for illegals.


139 posted on 10/02/2011 6:28:29 AM PDT by rintense (Polls are for strippers and cross country skiing. ~ Sarah Palin, 9.3.11)
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To: central_va

Would be an entirely different response if these were children of radical Muslums.


140 posted on 10/02/2011 6:29:56 AM PDT by rintense (Polls are for strippers and cross country skiing. ~ Sarah Palin, 9.3.11)
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To: American Dream 246; All

Being a Texas resident and voter, why is it that no one ever heard of this In-State Tuition for children of illegals until the debate coyotes looking to curry favor with Romney, brought it up to smear Perry? This Bill 1403 was not widely known because it was and is a very minor issue among many greater issues in Texas.

The Bill was passed in 2001 by a then dem majority legislature, by an overwhelming veto proof majority. The dems saw this minor issue as a way to enlist a new voting block, Hispanics, into their group. The dems and Texas GOP knew that Texas had become almost equal in voter strength between dem and GOP (following 100 years of solid dem rule), but neither had a clear majority of the voters to get or retain rule. The Hispanic vote gave whichever side that majority, if they could convince them to side with them.

In 2001 the dems saw an opportunity to befriend the new Hispanic voter and possible have them for life, like they have Texas blacks. Enter the In-State Tuition for illegal’s children, an minor but possibly wedge issue to collect those Hispanic voters. Texas GOP legislature’s saw this and seeing it as a relatively minor issue said “We too”, to not have it a clear cut Dem vs GOP issue and to salvage some goodwill in the Hispanic voter community. Perry being caught without any power over this legislation, also saw the advantage of dulling the dem’s effort to endear the Hispanic’s and did not do the veto it “out of principle” (as some freepers scream illogically).

To some degree it worked for the GOP. When Perry ran for re-election he was able to get enough Hispanic votes to overcome the dem/blacks voter block. We would have had back to back Dem Governors had the Hispanics lockstepped with the dems, but enough had the good sense not to.

Unlike Governor’s in other States, the Texas Governor is unable to ignore the Hispanic vote.

As the Governor of Texas, Perry is Constitutionally obligated and responsible to administer all the laws, not like nobama who picks and chooses (immigration and Border Protection for instance).

Perry’s adherence to his “Texas Constitutional” responsibilities, goes well to show he would likely not act as nobama and would enforce the US immigration laws and protect our borders and as a Border State Governor would recognize the true gravity of the issue unlike someone from Mass. or Minn. or “never before elected, thus no record” candidates.

Here at FR we demand adherence to the Constitution and rightly so. Some on FR want to pick and choose which parts of the Constitution they want because of their own self-interest.

America is not a pure democracy, where the majority has absolute rule. We are a Representative Republic setup by the Fore Fathers to offer some protection to a minority from the absolute rule by a majority. Some on FR either don’t remember that or just prefer to ignore it.

In Texas, Perry as Governor, recognized that “total” Constitutional responsibility and does his best to be the Governor of TEXAS, not just white conservative Texas. Is that not what we should also want from a President?

Things are never as clear-cut or as simple as some pretend. I suggest the supporters of “other” candidates stop and think before smearing just to promote their favorite, it does America no good.


141 posted on 10/02/2011 6:31:29 AM PDT by dusttoyou (paulnutz/bachnutz/caindogs are wee-weeing all over themselves, Foc nobama)
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To: Liz
Yep, the more Perry talks about immigration, the deeper he keeps digging his own hole.

Keep talking, keep digging, Ricardo - vaya con Shamnesty!

142 posted on 10/02/2011 6:40:04 AM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: DCBurgess58
It's the fed's job to arrest them and deport them. The feds are not and have not. They become a chronic state problem.

For me it's a dumb policy which I opposed in CA. That said, I don't see a governor opposing a policy that enjoys such overwhelming support of the legislature.

I actually like that he's not running away from it for political expediency. Even this piece is suggesting Perry should lie about his views to save his candidacy. How is that even a thought?

On balance with his total record, this isn't a deal killer. His debate performances and difficulty selling his message, however, seriously question his commitment or ability to win.

I see Romney out there using this as an issue when he proposed something worse: tuition waivers for the top 25% of high school grads. The legislature countered with in-state tuition, because they said top 25% would've benefitted the wealthy most.

The way he's attacking Perry on this, like he attacked others in 2007, could hurt Romney in the general.

Some candidates don't even have immigration records to defend. That's ok, they're saying the right things. *wink, wink*

143 posted on 10/02/2011 6:40:38 AM PDT by newzjunkey (Obama wins reelecton.)
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To: wintertime

when there are are SEVEN men sleeping in one bedroom and the apartment is Section-8 housing???

Your lamebrain example sure does not seem applicable to In-State Tuition for children of illegals.

Your example probably would also fit every immigrant group ever to come to America.

Your example did occur back when the Mexican illegal migrant workers were not bringing their families along, but now most live in individual homes and remarkedly OWN a lot of those homes.

Whose responsibility for the illegals being allowed to enter and stay? Perry? NO, its the US Government.


144 posted on 10/02/2011 6:45:35 AM PDT by dusttoyou (paulnutz/bachnutz/caindogs are wee-weeing all over themselves, Foc nobama)
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To: Haddit
Yes it sure is a great website.

Our two girls are now full grown, and our youngest is a TA(1). Since getting her B.S.Ed and passing all the IL Certification Teacher Tests (can teach K-9), she's worked for two districts near our and her place. Both are way above average in all grade test scores and also have very high overall ratings.

I also checked 'greatschools' for the Elem School our two grandkids are going to. That school is also above average in all areas. And a big plus is, they're Patriotic. When our grandson 'graduated' from Kindergarten the kids sang God Bless The USA (honest), American Flags were everywhere in the Gym, and the Teacher talked about her sons who were serving in Afghanistan for 'Our Country' (no commie NEA union junk in that school). And all this is in a Public School!

But I digress ;-), the greatschools website was a gem to find. Besides the School info, it tells you about the makeup of the entire community.

(1) B.S.Ed from ISU (IL State) and now taking an accelerated Masters level course for ESL and Aced (4.0 gpa) this past quarter. ESL will soon be a Requirement for all IL teachers. This is one more reason why I 'go off' on Illegals and their 'right' to an education at our expense. This ESL Course is $6,000!.. and that's with a 50% discount for her. The one good thing is all these ESL credit hours count towards her Masters Degree when she goes for that. But a teacher who already has a Masters is s.o.l., it's $6K down the drain for them. Just so they're able to teach illegals.

145 posted on 10/02/2011 6:47:29 AM PDT by Condor51 (Yo Hoffa, so you want to 'take out conservatives'. Well okay Jr - I'm your Huckleberry)
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To: DTogo

Shucks-—why’dja have to mention that?

Now I’m gonna be humming “Vaya con Shamnesty” all day long.

LOL


146 posted on 10/02/2011 6:56:04 AM PDT by Liz (The rule of law must prevail. We can’t govern ourselves by our personal point of view.)
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To: dusttoyou
There's a strong suicidal element that won't learn the lesson of CA's Prop 187 backlash until they've lost TX too and permanently turned the White House Dem.

You can do law-and-order without alienating key voters. Stridency works against their stated goals yet they persist.

147 posted on 10/02/2011 7:05:42 AM PDT by newzjunkey (Obama wins reelecton.)
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To: Liz


148 posted on 10/02/2011 7:07:19 AM PDT by Iron Munro (Obama/Rangel/Pelosi Code of Ethics: Don’t do as I do. Do as I say.)
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To: dusttoyou

Sounds good but...

In 2001 republicans controlled the state senate 16-15 and democrats held a slim lead in the house 78-72. This bill could not have been passed without republican support and Perry should have opposed it instead of embracing it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seventy-seventh_Texas_Legislature


149 posted on 10/02/2011 7:16:06 AM PDT by NYorkerInHouston
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To: mountn man

Hard of hearing are ya?


150 posted on 10/02/2011 7:17:06 AM PDT by dusttoyou (paulnutz/bachnutz/caindogs are wee-weeing all over themselves, Foc nobama)
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