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Perry on in-state tuition for illegals: How else were they supposed to pay for it?
Hotair ^ | 10/2/11 | Allahpundit

Posted on 10/01/2011 10:43:51 PM PDT by American Dream 246

Matt Lewis says he’s improving on this issue. I guess, but that’s mainly because after you’ve tried to win over voters by calling them heartless, there’s really nowhere to go but up. A scene from New Hampshire this morning:

“We have, for decades, had a federal government that has absolutely failed in its constitutional duty to defend our border,” Perry said.

“I’m a governor. I don’t have the pleasure of standing on the stage and criticizing. I have to deal with these issues,” he later added.

Perry continued, “In 2001, we had this choice: Are we going to kick these children over to the curb and say you cannot have access to college? Because the fact of the matter is there’s no way they could pay the out-of-state tuition. And are we going to have them on the government dole over here because they’re not educated? Or are we going to have them in our institutions of higher learning, paying in state tuition, pursuing citizenship?”…

David Connors, the man who asked Perry the in-state tuition question, said he was satisfied with the governor’s answer.

Really? There are no jobs for illegals anywhere in Texas to earn tuition money? I was under the impression that there are quite a lot of jobs available to them, especially since Perry opposes e-Verify. This is the same sleight of hand he tried to use in the debate answer that got him in trouble, equating illegals’ opportunity to go to school in Texas with some sort of moral imperative among taxpayers to subsidize their education. (His wife, campaigning for him in Iowa, framed the choice as between tuition subsidies or welfare.) Somehow, the impoverished U.S. citizen from Mississippi is expected to pay his own way in Austin but the illegal who’s lived in Texas for three years gets a stipend from the locals. And not just in terms of lower tuition rates; apparently they qualify for financial aid too. It must be awfully confusing for Perry, as a “Texas Gaullist” and vocal champion of state sovereignty, to find that prioritizing state residency over national citizenship doesn’t play well with grassroots conservatives outside of Texas itself, but he’d better find clarity soon.

Here’s Romney’s new ad bludgeoning Perry with praise he once received from former Mexican President Vicente Fox. After you watch, read this amusing scolding (which notes some of Mitt’s own immigration heresies) from former Bush speechwriter Michael Gerson, who seems genuinely surprised that Romney would pander so shamelessly on a divisive issue simply to destroy an opponent. That was the old, soulless Romney. The new, soulful Romney should be above that sort of thing. Right?


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: amnesty; heartless; immigration; instatetuition; palin; perry; shamnesty; texas; tuition
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To: American Dream 246

What part of working for your education and paying for it does this dweeb not understand? I had to pay for it.. my daughter had to pay for hers and I have no problem with that. Go for a scholarship or two. There are scholarships that go wanting for applicants, believe me. If you are worthy you will receive it, but don’t quit your side job if you want to stay in school. Work for it. Work for it.... I am amazed why so many feel it should be GIVEN as a GIFT to those who have broken our laws.


21 posted on 10/01/2011 11:34:19 PM PDT by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: Grey Eagle; American Dream 246
They are not elgible for student loans or scholarships.

ILLEGAL alien students are eligible for and do receive financial aid in Texas.

22 posted on 10/01/2011 11:34:50 PM PDT by South40 (2012 matchup.... CAIN vs UNABLE?)
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To: All
Perry on giving in-state tuition for illegals: How else were they supposed to pay for it?

This is the same sleight of hand Perry tried to use in the debate that got him in trouble.......equating illegals’ opportunity to go to school in Texas with some sort of "moral imperative" that compels taxpayers to subsidize their education. (His wife, campaigning in Iowa, framed the choice as between tuition subsidies or welfare.)

Somehow, the impoverished US citizen from Mississippi is expected to pay his own way in Austin but the illegal who’s lived in Texas for three years gets a stipend from the locals.

And not just in terms of lower tuition rates; apparently illegals qualify for financial aid too.

It must be awfully confusing for Perry, as a vocal champion of state sovereignty, to find that prioritizing state residency over national citizenship doesn’t play well with grassroots conservatives outside of Texas......but he’d better find clarity soon.

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A native born American residing in Texas committed no crimes, is here legally, pays taxes AND pays more to attend the same school as the ILLEGAL ALIEN?--------If ILLEGAL ALIENS are not here with the permission of the Federal government, they should get no benefits and be deported swiftly. Mexico doesn’t educate those in their country illegally.......they are jailed and deported.

(Snort) Illegals know more about US govt giveaways than we do. Wadda ya think they got in those backpacks.....all the info needed to ride the US gravy train.

DOES RICKY KNOW WHICH IDENTITY WILL BE GETTING IN-STATE TUITION? Illegals have been willing to use forged documents and to falsify official applications (a felony). The MO is to falsify to get taxpayers to subsidize college for their kids.

REFERENCE Texas Law Offers Financial Aid and In-State Tuition to The Undocumented. Illegals get student loans to pay for college tuition via the federal government under Free Application for Federal Student Aid (FAFSA). Anyone can apply.......as many times as possible (using forged Social Security numbers and other fake documents. No word on illegals' loan default rate. Gov Ricky won't tell, that's for sure.)

Apparently, TX doesn’t require US citizenship to achieve state residency. Then the tuition debate boils down to a legal residency debate........a non-US resident should not be able to obtain state citizenship anywhere until they are a legal US citizen. Subsidized in-state college tuition should require legal citizenship of both the Nation and the state because the fed/govt subsidizes the tuition....... this is in every tax-paying citizen’s interest.

23 posted on 10/01/2011 11:38:37 PM PDT by Liz (The rule of law must prevail. We can’t govern ourselves by our personal point of view.)
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To: American Dream 246

24 posted on 10/01/2011 11:39:27 PM PDT by South40 (2012 matchup.... CAIN vs UNABLE?)
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To: American Dream 246

Was this part of the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996 (Title 8, Chapter 14, Sec. 1623(a)) repealed?

“Federal law passed in 1996 prohibits illegal aliens from receiving in-state tuition rates at public institutions of higher education. Specifically, Section 505 of the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996 (Title 8, Chapter 14, Sec. 1623(a)) states: “an alien who is not lawfully present in the United States shall not be eligible on the basis of residence within a State (or a political subdivision) for any postsecondary education benefit unless a citizen or national of the United States is eligible for such a benefit (in no less an amount, duration, and scope) without regard to whether the citizen or national is such a resident.”


25 posted on 10/01/2011 11:42:25 PM PDT by abigailsmybaby ("To understan' the livin', you gotta commune wit' da dead." Minerva)
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To: DCBurgess58

States can’t deport anyone. The Feds won’t.
The feds even perverted the Section 287 (g) regulations that allow local Law enforcement to be “deputized” to identify and detain illegals for deportation. The new, Obama regulations require the locals to prosecute illegals on all charges before verification for deportation and only allow this for “major crimes.”
The Governor noted this in his book, “Fed Up!,” and used this source:
http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2010/03/time-to-stop-the-rush-for-amnesty-immigration-reform


26 posted on 10/01/2011 11:42:41 PM PDT by hocndoc (http://WingRight.org Have mustard seed: will use it. To control the border, Patrol the border!)
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To: South40
U.S. taxpayers subsidize illegal immigration and pad the pockets of businesses addicted to cheap labor. Taxpayers at the state and local levels bear the brunt, providing $84 billion in services annually.

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27 posted on 10/01/2011 11:45:05 PM PDT by BobP (The piss-stream media - Never to be watched again in my house)
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To: BobP
COSTING US BILLIONS
28 posted on 10/01/2011 11:45:43 PM PDT by BobP (The piss-stream media - Never to be watched again in my house)
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To: Just mythoughts

No one gets in state tuition in Texas except the ones who pays taxes in Texas.


29 posted on 10/01/2011 11:47:36 PM PDT by tirednvirginia
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To: American Dream 246

He is pretty close to one! Moron that is!


30 posted on 10/01/2011 11:47:46 PM PDT by tallyhoe
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To: org.whodat

Texas took the illegal students in elementary and high school all the way to the Supreme Court. We fight for border control every day, spend millions of our own tax money to supplement the border security and even try to use our own law enforcement to deport convicted criminals. Even that last requires cooperation from the Feds, and we can’t be sure that the criminals are deported or whether, as in the past, they’re just released into Texas.
http://www.statesman.com/news/texas-politics/state-moves-to-deport-foreign-convicts-now-in-1786159.html

“”But since the legislation passed, parole officials have worried that once they turned over custody of the parolee to federal officials, they might never know whether the felon was sent home or released in Texas if the deportation were to go awry.

“”That’s exactly what has happened in the past, parole officials said. They said over the past several years, several hundred foreign-born felons were paroled and released to federal officials for deportation but were not sent home — and instead were allowed to remain in Texas on parole, on state taxpayers’ dime.

“”Officials with U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, in their first public comments on the new law, assured state officials Wednesday that convicts who are not deported will be handed back to state prison officials.””

Along with criminals from all over the US, including border States like Arizona.
http://blog.chron.com/txpotomac/2010/12/border-patrol-resumes-release-of-illegal-immigrants-from-arizona-at-texas-mexico-border/

“”Under the program, the agency transports illegal border-crossers caught in Arizona to the Texas border and deports them back to Mexico. The Border Patrol first started the program in November 2009: Two buses per day, each loaded with up to 47 male illegal immigrants aged 20 to 60, were taken from Arizona to Presidio, where they were deported to Ojinaga, Mexico. The program generated heated resistance from state officials, including Perry, who worried about an influx of illegal immigrants, and from local officials, who said the remote area could not handle an onslaught of new people.””


31 posted on 10/01/2011 11:51:35 PM PDT by hocndoc (http://WingRight.org Have mustard seed: will use it. To control the border, Patrol the border!)
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To: tirednvirginia
No one gets in state tuition in Texas except the ones who pays taxes in Texas.

So how do illegals pay for their tuition? Federal law is that employers are not allow to hire undocumented illegals. So will you too claim these illegals cannot receive student loans or scholarships? NOW given the set up by Perry in Texas, how does he plan to enforce FEDERAL law as president.

32 posted on 10/01/2011 11:56:34 PM PDT by Just mythoughts (Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: American Dream 246

Attempted enrollment by an illegal alien is not an event that should trigger a subsidy. It is an event that should prompt a deportation.


34 posted on 10/02/2011 12:00:04 AM PDT by tdscpa
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To: American Dream 246
and now for something completely different:

35 posted on 10/02/2011 12:02:49 AM PDT by ari-freedom (I'm a heartless conservative because I love this country.)
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To: American Dream 246

If I’m not mistaken, they’re not getting FREE tuition, they’re getting in-state tuition. They still have to pay that in-state tuition. On another thread it was noted that the ‘state schools’ where they enjoy this benefit are mostly 2 year community colleges, and the savings is under $2k/year.

The article sets up a false argument that a student from MS who wants to go to UT-Austin would have to pay out-of-state tuition. The argument leaves out that the MS Student could go to Ole Miss or any community college in NS and pay in-state tuition.

Every state in the union has its own colleges/universities with in-state tuition. TX and some other states have chosen one route; other states, such as VA, have chosen another path.

Why isn’t this a states right issue? And why can’t folks accept that TX made its choice, and just leave it at that?


36 posted on 10/02/2011 12:12:15 AM PDT by EDINVA ( Jimmy McMillan '12: because RENT'S, TOO DAMN HIGH)
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To: Liz

Perry is a globalist politician and we can expect nothing from him except the same laimbrained responses he has given thus far. I’m really beginning to believe the guy isn’t very smart as some might believe he is....and might be why he has been doing so badly in the debates. He simply doesn’t have the “it” on his feet, which certainly a President needs to have.

It would seem a good excuse for Perry not being very smart would be to say he doesn’t do debates well...which is what many are using to justify his poor responses. Could be he just isn’t very smart.


37 posted on 10/02/2011 12:14:39 AM PDT by caww
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To: American Dream 246

In state tuition is not cheap in Nebraska just cheaper then out of state tuition. I think that foreign students ought to get a work permit and be allowed to work pay taxes and get instate tuition after one year of satisfactory performance. As far as the children of illegal give them in state tuition too. They were brought to the US and in most cases it would be cruel to return them to where they came from.


38 posted on 10/02/2011 12:26:41 AM PDT by the_daug
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To: the_daug
They were brought to the US and in most cases it would be cruel to return them to where they came from.

Forgot the sarc tag?
39 posted on 10/02/2011 12:37:09 AM PDT by American Dream 246 (Open your eyes. Freedom is not a one day fight. Enemies of Freedom are legion.)
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To: Grey Eagle

From what I have read, E-Verify is used for state government jobs in Texas, but not mandated for Texas private sector employers to use. I cannot figure out the reason Perry is opposed to it specifically. Although I have run across some articles claiming that E-Verify is 3% in error (or 97% correct), meaning that it could invalidate the I-9 of 3% of applicants using the system in error.

I was hired by Robert Half for a temp job last year in Texas and had to submit to some sort of citizenship check. Not sure if they used E-Verify or not. It was a pain in the ass.


40 posted on 10/02/2011 12:37:22 AM PDT by bullypulpit (Go see The Rick Perry Report at http://rickperryreport.com/)
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