Skip to comments.Perry on in-state tuition for illegals: How else were they supposed to pay for it?
Posted on 10/01/2011 10:43:51 PM PDT by American Dream 246
Matt Lewis says hes improving on this issue. I guess, but thats mainly because after youve tried to win over voters by calling them heartless, theres really nowhere to go but up. A scene from New Hampshire this morning:
We have, for decades, had a federal government that has absolutely failed in its constitutional duty to defend our border, Perry said.
Im a governor. I dont have the pleasure of standing on the stage and criticizing. I have to deal with these issues, he later added.
Perry continued, In 2001, we had this choice: Are we going to kick these children over to the curb and say you cannot have access to college? Because the fact of the matter is theres no way they could pay the out-of-state tuition. And are we going to have them on the government dole over here because theyre not educated? Or are we going to have them in our institutions of higher learning, paying in state tuition, pursuing citizenship?
David Connors, the man who asked Perry the in-state tuition question, said he was satisfied with the governors answer.
Really? There are no jobs for illegals anywhere in Texas to earn tuition money? I was under the impression that there are quite a lot of jobs available to them, especially since Perry opposes e-Verify. This is the same sleight of hand he tried to use in the debate answer that got him in trouble, equating illegals opportunity to go to school in Texas with some sort of moral imperative among taxpayers to subsidize their education. (His wife, campaigning for him in Iowa, framed the choice as between tuition subsidies or welfare.) Somehow, the impoverished U.S. citizen from Mississippi is expected to pay his own way in Austin but the illegal whos lived in Texas for three years gets a stipend from the locals. And not just in terms of lower tuition rates; apparently they qualify for financial aid too. It must be awfully confusing for Perry, as a Texas Gaullist and vocal champion of state sovereignty, to find that prioritizing state residency over national citizenship doesnt play well with grassroots conservatives outside of Texas itself, but hed better find clarity soon.
Heres Romneys new ad bludgeoning Perry with praise he once received from former Mexican President Vicente Fox. After you watch, read this amusing scolding (which notes some of Mitts own immigration heresies) from former Bush speechwriter Michael Gerson, who seems genuinely surprised that Romney would pander so shamelessly on a divisive issue simply to destroy an opponent. That was the old, soulless Romney. The new, soulful Romney should be above that sort of thing. Right?
El Rico es loco.
marking to find again to show illegals get ‘financial aid’ for college tuition in Texas.
What’s the point of college for illegals if we’re supposed to punish employers for hiring them? oh wait...Perry doesn’t believe in doing that, either
In a word - yes. It's not my fault, not my doing, and not my responsibility to pay for their education. Maybe if they sold their Escalade or their flat-screen they could pay for it themselves.
Hell yeah, that's exactly what needs to be done. In fact, when you find the little bastards trying to steal money from the American people, you arrest and deport them and their parents back to where they came from.
“Or are we going to have them in our institutions of higher learning, paying in state tuition, pursuing citizenship? “
Get your citizenship before you go to college. Because if you can’t pass a basic citizenship test you shouldn’t be thinking about college, even if you are a citizen.
How do I verify your statement is true. What part of the law says these illegals are not eligible for student loans or scholarships?
I don't think that he will. There are many things about Perry to like, but this ain't one of them. Illegal immigration/ instate tuition/ sanctuary cities is his Howard Dean moment.
If this is improvement, I shudder to think what getting even worse would look like.
Or their 3 cell phones - iPhone - Blueberry - flat screen TV etc...
Is this guy braindead?
Quoting Perry on giving in-state tuition to illegals: “How else were they supposed to pay for it?”
Perry never heard that students get jobs to pay for tuition?
So struggling US citizens are expected to pay their own way but stipends to illegals who broke the law is Texas public policy.
Texans may overlook Perry’s air-headedness-—but grassroots conservatives outside of Texas don’t find him very amusing.
Perry better shut up before the true dimensions of his intellectual vacuity goes viral.
“Perry on in-state tuition for illegals: How else were they supposed to pay for it?”
How about you write a personal check to pay for it if you’re so bloody enamored with the idea.
Actually, they are eligible for some student aid, including scholarships. Especially the ones that some people have set up with their own money.
But Perry does not oppose e-verify, either. He once answered that e-verify for State employees would not make a difference unless we secure the border.
What part of working for your education and paying for it does this dweeb not understand? I had to pay for it.. my daughter had to pay for hers and I have no problem with that. Go for a scholarship or two. There are scholarships that go wanting for applicants, believe me. If you are worthy you will receive it, but don’t quit your side job if you want to stay in school. Work for it. Work for it.... I am amazed why so many feel it should be GIVEN as a GIFT to those who have broken our laws.
ILLEGAL alien students are eligible for and do receive financial aid in Texas.
This is the same sleight of hand Perry tried to use in the debate that got him in trouble.......equating illegals opportunity to go to school in Texas with some sort of "moral imperative" that compels taxpayers to subsidize their education. (His wife, campaigning in Iowa, framed the choice as between tuition subsidies or welfare.)
Somehow, the impoverished US citizen from Mississippi is expected to pay his own way in Austin but the illegal whos lived in Texas for three years gets a stipend from the locals.
And not just in terms of lower tuition rates; apparently illegals qualify for financial aid too.
It must be awfully confusing for Perry, as a vocal champion of state sovereignty, to find that prioritizing state residency over national citizenship doesnt play well with grassroots conservatives outside of Texas......but hed better find clarity soon.
A native born American residing in Texas committed no crimes, is here legally, pays taxes AND pays more to attend the same school as the ILLEGAL ALIEN?--------If ILLEGAL ALIENS are not here with the permission of the Federal government, they should get no benefits and be deported swiftly. Mexico doesnt educate those in their country illegally.......they are jailed and deported.
(Snort) Illegals know more about US govt giveaways than we do. Wadda ya think they got in those backpacks.....all the info needed to ride the US gravy train.
DOES RICKY KNOW WHICH IDENTITY WILL BE GETTING IN-STATE TUITION? Illegals have been willing to use forged documents and to falsify official applications (a felony). The MO is to falsify to get taxpayers to subsidize college for their kids.
REFERENCE Texas Law Offers Financial Aid and In-State Tuition to The Undocumented. Illegals get student loans to pay for college tuition via the federal government under Free Application for Federal Student Aid (FAFSA). Anyone can apply.......as many times as possible (using forged Social Security numbers and other fake documents. No word on illegals' loan default rate. Gov Ricky won't tell, that's for sure.)
Apparently, TX doesnt require US citizenship to achieve state residency. Then the tuition debate boils down to a legal residency debate........a non-US resident should not be able to obtain state citizenship anywhere until they are a legal US citizen. Subsidized in-state college tuition should require legal citizenship of both the Nation and the state because the fed/govt subsidizes the tuition....... this is in every tax-paying citizens interest.
Was this part of the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996 (Title 8, Chapter 14, Sec. 1623(a)) repealed?
“Federal law passed in 1996 prohibits illegal aliens from receiving in-state tuition rates at public institutions of higher education. Specifically, Section 505 of the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996 (Title 8, Chapter 14, Sec. 1623(a)) states: “an alien who is not lawfully present in the United States shall not be eligible on the basis of residence within a State (or a political subdivision) for any postsecondary education benefit unless a citizen or national of the United States is eligible for such a benefit (in no less an amount, duration, and scope) without regard to whether the citizen or national is such a resident.”
States can’t deport anyone. The Feds won’t.
The feds even perverted the Section 287 (g) regulations that allow local Law enforcement to be “deputized” to identify and detain illegals for deportation. The new, Obama regulations require the locals to prosecute illegals on all charges before verification for deportation and only allow this for “major crimes.”
The Governor noted this in his book, “Fed Up!,” and used this source:
No one gets in state tuition in Texas except the ones who pays taxes in Texas.
He is pretty close to one! Moron that is!
Texas took the illegal students in elementary and high school all the way to the Supreme Court. We fight for border control every day, spend millions of our own tax money to supplement the border security and even try to use our own law enforcement to deport convicted criminals. Even that last requires cooperation from the Feds, and we can’t be sure that the criminals are deported or whether, as in the past, they’re just released into Texas.
“”But since the legislation passed, parole officials have worried that once they turned over custody of the parolee to federal officials, they might never know whether the felon was sent home or released in Texas if the deportation were to go awry.
“”That’s exactly what has happened in the past, parole officials said. They said over the past several years, several hundred foreign-born felons were paroled and released to federal officials for deportation but were not sent home and instead were allowed to remain in Texas on parole, on state taxpayers’ dime.
“”Officials with U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, in their first public comments on the new law, assured state officials Wednesday that convicts who are not deported will be handed back to state prison officials.””
Along with criminals from all over the US, including border States like Arizona.
“”Under the program, the agency transports illegal border-crossers caught in Arizona to the Texas border and deports them back to Mexico. The Border Patrol first started the program in November 2009: Two buses per day, each loaded with up to 47 male illegal immigrants aged 20 to 60, were taken from Arizona to Presidio, where they were deported to Ojinaga, Mexico. The program generated heated resistance from state officials, including Perry, who worried about an influx of illegal immigrants, and from local officials, who said the remote area could not handle an onslaught of new people.””
So how do illegals pay for their tuition? Federal law is that employers are not allow to hire undocumented illegals. So will you too claim these illegals cannot receive student loans or scholarships? NOW given the set up by Perry in Texas, how does he plan to enforce FEDERAL law as president.
He just keeps digging the hole deeper as his poll numbers go down. Can they not figure out that 20 million unemployed Americans can vote, too? And they have watched their tax dollars go to ungrateful folks overseas along with jobs? The GOP is truly out-of-touch and clueless. Worse, they don’t care.
Attempted enrollment by an illegal alien is not an event that should trigger a subsidy. It is an event that should prompt a deportation.
If I’m not mistaken, they’re not getting FREE tuition, they’re getting in-state tuition. They still have to pay that in-state tuition. On another thread it was noted that the ‘state schools’ where they enjoy this benefit are mostly 2 year community colleges, and the savings is under $2k/year.
The article sets up a false argument that a student from MS who wants to go to UT-Austin would have to pay out-of-state tuition. The argument leaves out that the MS Student could go to Ole Miss or any community college in NS and pay in-state tuition.
Every state in the union has its own colleges/universities with in-state tuition. TX and some other states have chosen one route; other states, such as VA, have chosen another path.
Why isn’t this a states right issue? And why can’t folks accept that TX made its choice, and just leave it at that?
Perry is a globalist politician and we can expect nothing from him except the same laimbrained responses he has given thus far. I’m really beginning to believe the guy isn’t very smart as some might believe he is....and might be why he has been doing so badly in the debates. He simply doesn’t have the “it” on his feet, which certainly a President needs to have.
It would seem a good excuse for Perry not being very smart would be to say he doesn’t do debates well...which is what many are using to justify his poor responses. Could be he just isn’t very smart.
In state tuition is not cheap in Nebraska just cheaper then out of state tuition. I think that foreign students ought to get a work permit and be allowed to work pay taxes and get instate tuition after one year of satisfactory performance. As far as the children of illegal give them in state tuition too. They were brought to the US and in most cases it would be cruel to return them to where they came from.
From what I have read, E-Verify is used for state government jobs in Texas, but not mandated for Texas private sector employers to use. I cannot figure out the reason Perry is opposed to it specifically. Although I have run across some articles claiming that E-Verify is 3% in error (or 97% correct), meaning that it could invalidate the I-9 of 3% of applicants using the system in error.
I was hired by Robert Half for a temp job last year in Texas and had to submit to some sort of citizenship check. Not sure if they used E-Verify or not. It was a pain in the ass.
BTW, less than 1000 students this year attended Texas A&M and University of Texas on this program. The other 15,000 attended junior colleges and community colleges. See this.
Stick a fork in Perry. It’s one thing to have a soft spot or to be weak on an important issue but this is ridiculous. Really, Cain becomes the only real alternative.
Question: “Are we going to kick these children over to the curb and say you cannot have access to college?”
Your answer: “Hell yeah, that’s exactly what needs to be done. In fact, when you find the little bastards trying to steal money from the American people, you arrest and deport them and their parents back to where they came from.”
Good night! This cannot go on in the United States of America! How dare these odious Mexican kids who think they can get away with murder! Any act as offensive, outrageous and terrible by sneaking into the United States is worse than murder! They all have to be juvenile delinquents. They are nothing but reprobate scum who sneak out of their homes in Mexico while their parents are sleeping and illegally cross our border to party in the United States. It is these kids who are drunk in our streets and committing all kinds of crimes. Their Mexican ooze stinks to high heaven and their spawn spells the end of the Human Race.
For this reason, I have a modest proposal:
The ultimate answer to these illegal juvenile delinquents is that any dark skinned Mexican looking kid will have to prove they are a legal U.S. citizen to receive a government issue food purchasing card. Only kids who qualify for the card will be able to purchase food. Those without the card, will not be able to buy food. Any store selling food to these illegal kids will be committing a felony and subject to fines and imprisonment.
Any Mexican kid who sneaks into the United States should not have the ability to get an education or eat.
I am thinking of a way to restrict their ability to breath and after more time for study, I will give my recommendation. Any Mexican kid who sneaks into the United States should not have the ability to get an education, eat or breathe.
I say that when these illegal Mexican kids cannot buy food without a food purchasing card, there will be kids dying from starvation. Too bad, too sad for them. Their starvation would be the consequence for not going back home where they belong with their parents. And because Mexicans should be worth more dead than alive, this is more of my Modest Proposal:
I have been assured by a very knowing American of my acquaintance in London, a young child is a most delicious nourishing and wholesome food, whether stewed, roasted, baked, or boiled; and I make no doubt that it will equally serve in a fricasie, or a ragoust.
I do therefore humbly offer it to publick consideration, that of the hundred and twenty thousand children, already computed, twenty thousand may be reserved for breed, whereof only one fourth part to be males; which is more than we allow to sheep, black cattle, or swine, and my reason is, that these children are seldom the fruits of marriage, a circumstance not much regarded by our savages, therefore, one male will be sufficient to serve four females. That the remaining hundred thousand may, at 14 years old, be offered in sale to the persons of quality and fortune, through the kingdom. A child will make two dishes at an entertainment for friends, and when the family dines alone, the fore or hind quarter will make a reasonable dish, and seasoned with a little pepper or salt, will be very good boiled on the fourth day, especially in winter.
Yep, thats the ticket!
"We've got to put the aviation assets in the ground"
Several states — Texas, California, New York, Utah, Illinois, Washington, Nebraska, New Mexico, Maryland (community colleges), Oklahoma, Wisconsin and Kansas — have passed state laws providing in-state tuition benefits to illegal aliens who have attended high school in the state for three or more years. Similar legislation is pending in Florida, Hawaii, Massachusetts, Minnesota, New Hampshire, New Jersey, North Carolina, Oregon, South Carolina, Tennessee and Virginia. (Connecticut also passed such a law, but the governor vetoed it.) The Nevada system of higher education does not consider immigration status for in-state tuition, but does require it for a state-sponsored scholarship. Also, some schools in Georgia provide in-state tuition benefits to illegal aliens. The Texas law also allows illegal aliens to receive state student financial aid.
These state laws attempt to circumvent the federal law by simply not asking students whether they are in the US legally. (The California law, AB 540, requires the student to file an affidavit that he/she has filed an application to legalize his/her immigration status or intends to file an application as soon as he/she is eligible to do so. So California doesn’t even attempt to maintain the fiction that the school is unaware of the student’s immigration status.) They also circumvent the law by basing eligibility for in-state tuition on attendance at or graduation from an in-state high school and not on state residence.
Subsection 8 USC 1621(d) permits states to provide illegal aliens with state and local public benefits provided that a state law is enacted after August 22, 1996 specifically permitting illegal aliens to receive such benefits. However, this subsection makes a potentially limiting reference to subsection 1621(a) and so does not override the restrictions in 8 USC 1623(a). As such, it would appear that the state laws permitting in-state tuition to illegal aliens are not permitted by the federal law.
No sarcasm. If an illegal brought a child to the US and the child grew up here going to school and then collage give them instate tuition. It would be cruel to send the person back to where their parents came from. I was the governments fault for not keeping the parents out.
Oh boo frickin hoo, it'll be cruel.
Cruel is maming women in the name of allah, simply for being women. Cruel is rape. Cruel is torture. Cruel is digging a hole and burying someone up to their waste, and then throwing rocks at them as hard as you can, until they are dead. Cruel is Saddam Husseins son, having his goons grab a newly wed couple, raping the wife in front of her husband, then throwing her out a window to her death.
Sending illegals back isn't cruel. Hard, yes. Inconvenient, yes. But cruel? ... No.
Our nation is $14.6 TRILLION in debt and adding $1.6 TRILLION to that every year.
In state tuition amounts to a subsidy. Subsidies are paid by taxes. Taxes paid by hard working Americans, so THEIR kids can go to school. Unemployment is at about 16%. There are about 160 million people in the labor force, with about 26 million unemployed. There are about 20 million illegals in this country. You do the math.
Being that unemployment is at 16% either a heavier tax burden gets passed on to those who ARE working, or the subsidies for education get tacked on to debt.
Illegals are more likely to use food stamps. Use public assisted housing. Use public assisted utilities. Go to the ER for any and every scrape cut or sniffle, because they will be treated and won't have to pay.
ALL THIS ON THE TAX PAYERS DIME.
Meanwhile OUR taxes go up, to pay for all this, meaning it gets harder and harder for Americans to live and MAYBE put THEIR OWN kids through college, and you think its CRUEL, if we should send anyone back to their third world country, when they DON'T LEGALLY have any RIGHT in ours.
How about the "cruelty" to those who came here legally, and did EVERYTHING asked of them, to become US citizens, who now have to pay out of state fees, while the criminal gets subsidized???
So, these high school graduates go to college just like any graduate of Texas high schools do. Anyone who understands that is no moron.
I was against the amnesty in 1986 and in 1991 I was threatened by officials in an employment office for EOT cause I questioned papers of their client so I filled out the I9 and quit caring about Illegals. So if the Government don’t do their job then illegals who came here can claim squatters right or give them amnesty or what ever you want to call it. But the children who grew up here should be given a easy path to be legal. The government needs to do its job but they don’t.