Posted on 10/02/2011 3:25:08 AM PDT by EnglishCon
The home secretary has called for the Human Rights Act to be scrapped, less than a fortnight after Lib Dem leader Nick Clegg said it was "here to stay".
The act enshrines the European Convention on Human Rights into UK law.
But Theresa May told the Sunday Telegraph she "personally" would like to see it go because of the problems it caused for the Home Office.
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Prime Minister David Cameron said he agreed with Mrs May that the act should be scrapped and replaced with a British Bill of Rights.
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Look up ‘unalienable’. Rights given by God remain, despite the oppressions of man. Do you have a right to defend yourself, regardless of the means employed? Does that right go away if someone says you can’t? No. The right remains, despite encumbrances, just as murder is still wrong whether the state legalizes it or not.
Say What? I think you owe all Scotland an apology.
That latter day Lennin in the White Hut wouldn't be fit to lick the sheep sh*t off Bonnie Prince Charlie's boot soles.
I have rights. People in the UK really don’t. Yes, my rights come from God. The UK has no more faith in God than it does a belief in rights.
Freedom is not a piece of paper, it is a state of mind.
The rights of UK citizens are no longer operative according to the UK state and culture.
“Scotland an apology”
A certain scene of a duel in the movie
“Highlander” comes to mind here.
I liked ol Oli Cromwell. He was probably the best thing to
happen to the English monarchy. Oh wait.
Thank god Charlie was defeated in 1746.
I am proud that both sides of my family fought AGAINST him.
1—We havent lost it.
2—As is ours. Scotland esp was famous for its common sense philosophers like Hume or Frances Hutcheson.
3—We dont bow to royalty, since 1642 the monarch is a figurehead with no actual real power.
As do we, myth and hype aside.
Actually many of the rights you enjoy were amendments to the initial BoR.
Yes, the people here really do.
really gosh I didn’t know that, golly thanks
oh by the way the rights I “enjoy” existed before the amendments or the BoR.
Very little chance of Theresa getting this done though. Pity.
The US bill of rights was NOT based on common sense. What is common sense but what we all accept as wisdom anyway? Well it certainly was not commonly held wisdom before the bills of rights were introduced, by definition.
Don't be so naive. Americans certainly DO bow to royalty, its just a different kind these days - mostly based in the WH and Hollywood. Well, most americans do anyway. Those with more sense (as in those on these boards) dont. But youre in a minority.
Both an Englishman's and an Americans rights are granted by God. The difference is that ours are guaranteed by the crown and yours by the constitution.
That sounds pretty odd. Do you think God only affords rights to Americans? I mean, if you believe your rights are “inalienable” (which I presume you do), then it follows they must be universal. God is not a racist. He’s not going to give some rights to one group of people but not to another. Evil men may subsume those rights, or seek to suppress them, and seem to have succeeded in large tracts of the world, but those rights don’t go away - unless you think that man can overturn God’s pronouncements?
You had your chance to participate a week ago. You blew it.
Well I didnt know about it. Anyway, do these discussions decay with time?
They do decay. Hence, you’re the only one pursuing the thread.
“The difference is that ours are guaranteed by the crown and yours by the constitution. “
The constitution doesn’t grant or give or even defend our rights. They are just there, in the either, god granted.
Those rights are for all men, as inalienable. Even you have
these right as well as all men of the world.
The constitution just tells the government, not the people,
what it can and cant do. . We also have the
right to defend those rights for ourselves and others.
Example...
Iraqis will be allowed to keep sidearms at home for protection. But they will not be allowed to take those weapons outside without a special license.
Looks like the Iraqis have more rights than the average
Brit. We believe all men “Planet Wide” are borne with these rights.
However, flawed men can act to limit those rights (or try to) through laws or restrictions of various kinds. Ergo, wise and good people have to act to uphold those rights.
I didnt say the constitution grants or gives those rights. I said it guaranteed them. The constitution is the mechanism put in place by your founders to ensure that those god given rights are not abused. I think we are actually saying the same thing. I think.
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