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Texas Governor says US should use troops in Mexico drug war
BBC via The Voice of Russia Blog ^ | October 2, 2011

Posted on 10/02/2011 4:45:25 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

The US government should consider sending troops to Mexico to combat drug-related violence, Texas Governor Rick Perry, who is seeking the Republican nomination for US president, said Sunday.

"It may require our military in Mexico working in concert with them to kill these

At present Barack Obama’s administration is providing serious financial support to Mexican security services, while the security services of two countries are closely cooperation, Radio Liberty reports.

(Excerpt) Read more at english.ruvr.ru ...


TOPICS: Mexico; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bordersecurity; drugcartels; mexico; nationaldefense; perry2012
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No mention of Obama-Holder "Fast and Furious" 2nd Amendment weakening ploy of supplying Mexican drug cartels with automatic weapons.
1 posted on 10/02/2011 4:45:32 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: All; shield

****** Aug 13, 2009: Texas gov. compares Gaza to Mexico”……We went to the border with Gaza and received a briefing from the army there, and we went to Sderot and saw the police station with all the Kassam rockets piled up, we saw playgrounds that had to be covered from rocket fire. It's a powerful place." In that vein, the governor said he was also interested in learning more about security aspects while in the country, as Texas has a large, porous border with Mexico, and the recent violence in that country had unnerved many Texans."....

2 posted on 10/02/2011 4:47:17 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Makes more sense than posting advisors to Libya


3 posted on 10/02/2011 4:47:36 AM PDT by silverleaf (Common sense is not so common - Voltaire)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

unnerved texans? Is that how he refers to what illegals do when they destroy property, endanger lives, and of course get a reduced price college education.


4 posted on 10/02/2011 4:52:17 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

Your purpose for posting on this thread is to disrupt effective dissemination of information.


5 posted on 10/02/2011 4:53:21 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

“Your purpose for posting on this thread is to disrupt effective dissemination of information.”

My purpose is to counter the propaganda.


6 posted on 10/02/2011 4:55:36 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

......”Perry went over an immigration record that extends far beyond the tuition issue.

He said he vetoed a Texas bill that would have given illegal immigrants driver’s licenses, helped pass a bill requiring voter identification at the polls, spent $400 million on security measures to help seal the state’s border with Mexico, and strongly opposed granting amnesty to people who illegally entered the United States.

No one in the GOP field, he said, “has been any stronger on securing our border.”

He also said he may favor sending U.S. troops into Mexico to combat the drug trade.

“It may require our military in Mexico working in concert with them to kill these drug cartels and keep them off of our borders,” he said.”....

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/10/01/MN9B1LCAUD.DTL


7 posted on 10/02/2011 4:56:59 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: driftdiver
My purpose is to counter the propaganda.

Then provide links to credible sources to back up your remarks.

8 posted on 10/02/2011 4:58:16 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Rick Perry talking like a NeoCon.

Back in early Aug, Perry met with group of NeoCons,

Then, in two of the debates, he was talking like a Realist.

Now, he is back to talking like a NeoCon again.

Meanwhile, a top dog NeoCon, Bill Kristol, is promoting Christie and a top dog Realist, Henry Kissinger, is promoting Christie.

9 posted on 10/02/2011 4:59:35 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: driftdiver

It would be a lot more effective to just close the border anyway. Mexico is corrupt, and no amount of troops will change that.


10 posted on 10/02/2011 4:59:39 AM PDT by cripplecreek (MLB Playoff thread http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2786167/posts)
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To: driftdiver

Why don’t you actually discuss the content of the post instead of making it clear that you think “Mexican” is the same as “illegal” - it’s not.

These drug cartels are destabilizing our next-door neighbor and this is not a good thing for US security. However, Obama has no interest in Mexico. I think he really regards Mexicans with contempt, and thinks that Mexico is just a place where he can play with his political strategies, such as attacking gun ownership with Fast and Furious.

The US military was very helpful to Colombia in finally dealing with the problem of the drug cartels.


11 posted on 10/02/2011 5:00:20 AM PDT by livius
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Provide links that illegals have killed people in Texas?

Provide links that illegals have stolen from people in Texas?

Provide links that illegals are getting reduced prices on college education in Texas?

Get a life, propaganda is what you are about. Perry is a RINO and would make a terrible President. He won’t use the military to protect American citizens but he will to protect Mexican citizens.

How wrong is that!


12 posted on 10/02/2011 5:02:44 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Ben Ficklin

Christie is a former federal prosecutor.

If you want someone who keeps your rapt attention with their closing argument style, I guess he’s your guy.

Not mine.

His views on many conservative issues aren’t.


13 posted on 10/02/2011 5:03:34 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
we should have continued all the way to ‘The Halls of Montezuma’ in 1916


14 posted on 10/02/2011 5:04:13 AM PDT by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: cripplecreek

Mexico has been corrupt for hundreds of years and the corruption is infecting America.


15 posted on 10/02/2011 5:04:17 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

Provide LINKS that add something to the discussion, as opposed to noise used to disrupt the thread.


16 posted on 10/02/2011 5:04:47 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Time for another Black Jack Pershing and a young Douglas MacArthur to invade Mexico and do the lousy Mexican government’s job for them.

(That is after we get a strong leader who will do this government’s job!)


17 posted on 10/02/2011 5:04:47 AM PDT by IbJensen (EWE)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Really, thats all you have? Wow you’re even worse than Perry’s lack of substance.


18 posted on 10/02/2011 5:06:06 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver
Mexico has been corrupt for hundreds of years and the corruption is infecting America.

Progressive social engineering and an unprotected border is where the problem lies.

19 posted on 10/02/2011 5:07:13 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: driftdiver

Boy! Perry must have really hit a home run. You’re sitting up now.


20 posted on 10/02/2011 5:08:05 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Progressive social engineering and an unprotected border is where the problem lies

And Perry won't change either of those by his own public statements.

21 posted on 10/02/2011 5:08:12 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Vaquero

Notice how the Russian paper cuts Perry’s quote off?

Full quote: ““It may require our military in Mexico working in concert with them to kill these drug cartels and keep them off of our borders,”


22 posted on 10/02/2011 5:10:01 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Just to point out that "US troops to Mexico" isn't some new point of discussion ...

U.S. Military Doing 'Limited' Drug War Work In Mexico, Napolitano Says - NPR - March 24, 2010

"Yes. Let me be very, very clear (because) this is a very delicate subject. ... Our military in certain limited ways has been working with the Mexican military in their efforts against the drug cartels. But, it is at the request of the Mexican government, in consultation with the Mexican government. And it is only one part of our overall efforts with Mexico, which are primarily civilian in nature."

Mexico Condemns Comment That U.S. Might Have To Send Troops To Fight Cartel "Insurgency" - Fox News Latino - February 09, 2011

Hillary Clinton: Mexican drugs war is Colombia-style insurgency - The Guardian (UK) - 9 September 2010

23 posted on 10/02/2011 5:11:11 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

A home run in a t-ball game


24 posted on 10/02/2011 5:11:23 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver; Cincinatus' Wife
You have to look at it in the context of recent history.

First there was the Security and Prosperity Partnership(2005) and the North American Perimeter Security legislation that fell thru.

Then there was the Merida Initiative, which, to my knowledge, has never been fully funded by Congress.

Then there was the Narco Terror money flowing into AZ that should have been going to Texas but both parties wanted the money going to AZ because AZ is in play. That's one of the reasons the AZ gov got the DHS Secretary job.

25 posted on 10/02/2011 5:16:38 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Cboldt
Gov. Perry Announces Deployment of Texas Military Forces Helicopters To Support Border Security EffortsThursday, March 18, 2010 • Austin, Texas

Gov. Perry: Federal Government Must Take Action To Prevent Spillover Violence from Mexico Requests Predator Drones and National Guard Troops along BorderMonday, March 15, 2010 •

"Feds say immigrants using torches and bungee cords on border fence"


Perry in helicopter with Greta VanSusteren

It is the Federal government's responsibility to secure the border. What is "non" border state politician Obama doing about it but turning his back on Rick Perry when he went to meet him on the tarmac in Austin with a letter -- after being denied a meeting?


Texas Gov. Rick Perry tries to deliver to Obama a letter expressing border security concerns. Photo by Jay Janner/Austin American-Statesman/ Aug 9, 2010 -- His letter was handed to Valerie Jarrett (in pink suit).

26 posted on 10/02/2011 5:24:22 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
There are many many articles that describe use of US military on the US side of the border; going WAY back. The several that I provided were describing the use of US military assets IN Mexico.

Mexico has already militarized its law enforcement (and as far as I know, welcomes donations of military equipment), and what Hillary! alluded to was an undertaking similar to US/Columbia joint military efforts.

At any rate, "border security" and "using US military to eradicate Mexican organized narco-crime, in Mexico" are different approaches to a common problem.

28 posted on 10/02/2011 5:35:50 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

How many wars does Governor Perry want us to be in at any given time? Iraq. Afghanistan. Various and sundry Arab countries. Mexico. Any others?


29 posted on 10/02/2011 5:41:14 AM PDT by SoJoCo
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To: silverleaf

Or troops on Iraq,Afghanistan,S.Korea,Japan,Germany and Libya’s border.


30 posted on 10/02/2011 5:43:19 AM PDT by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: Cboldt

I suggest anything is better than the executive policy of providing criminals along the border and in Mexico with automatic weapons, as was done by Obama-Holder -— first covered up, then lied about and now they remain silent on those actions.


31 posted on 10/02/2011 5:45:03 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; RoosterRedux; jonrick46; deepbluesea; RockinRight; TexMom7; potlatch; ...
Perry Ping....

IF you'd rather NOT be pinged FReepmail me.

IF you'd like to be added FReepmail me. Thanks.

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32 posted on 10/02/2011 5:46:50 AM PDT by shield ((Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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To: SoJoCo
How many wars does Governor Perry want us to be in at any given time? Iraq. Afghanistan. Various and sundry Arab countries. Mexico. Any others?

What wars has Gov. Perry suggested to you he wants?

Regarding Mexico, he is suggesting a cooperative bid between Mexico and the U.S. to rout the drug cartels that are murdering thousands on the border and in both countries; stopping the drug and human trafficking that has created a dangerous life for everyone living on the border and beyond is the objective. People have been murdered with Obama-Holder purchased weapons and given to the drug cartels.

33 posted on 10/02/2011 5:49:53 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: cripplecreek

In an ailing economy, shut down the border?

http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c2010.html

There is an equally corrupt faction (one being the FedGov) in this country aiding and abetting the drug/smuggling trade.


34 posted on 10/02/2011 5:58:25 AM PDT by wolfcreek (Perry to Obama: Adios, MOFO!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I agree with Perry. What is coming across our borders now is not your average happy go lucky migrant farmworker crossing to come work the harvests and then return home.

These are narco and mozlem terrorists, gangs, and criminals coming up through Mexico from Central America. It’s an invasion, not a migration. And stop the krap about a fence. A fence is not going to stop them. Hell is a fence around Israel stopping the blasted mozlems? NO, it isn’t. It has to be patrolled constantly with boots on the ground. And you are only talking about a 70-mile-at-most border in Israel. In Texas alone our border is 1200 miles long in a s-curve running all directions.

The BEST thing we can do is put several US military training bases along that border. What better way to train our soldiers than in those mountains in that wilderness, along that riverbed, and across that desert constantly patrolling it and hunting these bastards down. And stopping them from crossing.

This blithering about neo-cons, soft on immigration krap, and demonizing Perry just because some on here favor another candidate that doesn’t have as successful a record as Perry and can’t get elected on their own merit without tearing somebody his record down is pure Alynskite tactics just like the commiecrats use.


35 posted on 10/02/2011 5:59:05 AM PDT by RowdyFFC
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
-- I suggest anything is better than the executive policy of providing criminals along the border and in Mexico with automatic weapons, as was done by Obama-Holder --- first covered up, then lied about and now they remain silent on those actions. --

As far as I'm concerned, that is a separate subject from immigration policy and border security. I understand that there is some at least tangential relationship between arming the narco-criminals and border security (and between arming the narco-criminals, then sending in your own military to do battle with them), but for the most part, the issues are separable.

As a standard for supporting a candidate, "better than the ones who sell guns into Mexico so they can strip US citizens of the RKBA" is very low.

I think heads should roll, literally, for that. Death penalty - and I'd let Mexico impose it on our federal government officials and employees who set up and executed the program.

I'll be pleasantly surprised if there is a single criminal conviction; and I doubt Holder or Obama will be damaged by the scandal. Congress is worse than worthless, it is damaging to the country's well-being.

36 posted on 10/02/2011 6:02:59 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: wolfcreek
In an ailing economy, shut down the border?

Yes. 30 million illegals ain't cheap. That's nearly 50 whole congressional districts clamoring for money. Not to mention the welfare, cost of keeping them in prison, infrastructure upkeep....
37 posted on 10/02/2011 6:06:41 AM PDT by cripplecreek (MLB Playoff thread http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2786167/posts)
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To: Cboldt

I see you live in Maine so it’s understandable that you see things differently.

National security is threatened by the unprotected Mexican border — this involves illegal migration into the U.S. and crime.

A sealed border will combat both issues.

Perry wants a sealed border and he does not believe in amnesty.

He recognizes that the crime along the border hurts both countries and actions by the administration have exacerbated the situation — lit a fire.


38 posted on 10/02/2011 6:10:42 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Regarding Mexico, he is suggesting a cooperative bid between Mexico and the U.S. to rout the drug cartels that are murdering thousands on the border and in both countries; stopping the drug and human trafficking that has created a dangerous life for everyone living on the border and beyond is the objective. People have been murdered with Obama-Holder purchased weapons and given to the drug cartels.

And when Mexico says 'no' to U.S. troops being in their country, what would President Perry do? Considering that he made this proposal with absolutely no evidence whatsoever that Mexico might want U.S. intervention kind of indicates that their feelings aren't of prime importance to him.

39 posted on 10/02/2011 6:17:55 AM PDT by SoJoCo
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; driftdiver; Jim Robinson

“Your purpose for posting on this thread is to disrupt effective dissemination of information.”

So that’s it, CW. You guys have now been ordered to stop trying to counter Perry criticism and simply SILENCE people that respond negatively to Perry puff-pieces in any way.

That is not going to go over very well on this site and maybe the rumors that the pro-Perry posts were going to start being removed will come true...as they are certainly making it very difficult to use this site anymore.


40 posted on 10/02/2011 6:25:33 AM PDT by BobL (PLEASE READ: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2657811/posts)
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To: cripplecreek

How is shutting down the border going to address those already here?


41 posted on 10/02/2011 6:27:25 AM PDT by wolfcreek (Perry to Obama: Adios, MOFO!)
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To: SoJoCo

And how do you know he hasn’t consulted with the Mexican authorities?


42 posted on 10/02/2011 6:28:16 AM PDT by SwatTeam
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To: wolfcreek

“How is shutting down the border going to address those already here?”

That’s the other part. You must make life miserable for the people that are here illegally...something that Perry OBVIOUSLY has no interest in doing.


43 posted on 10/02/2011 6:30:32 AM PDT by BobL (PLEASE READ: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2657811/posts)
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To: BobL

No I posted that comment because I felt that way.

You can say whatever you want.

I have no power to stop you.

Why are you running to Jim Robinson?

You sound like a hall monitor.

Whose trying to silence whom?

This is Free Republic.

My husband and I went to D.C. (from Texas) for our anniversary to attend the first Freeper march.


44 posted on 10/02/2011 6:31:26 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

US troops on the border against illegal foreign nationals or others involved in criminal border activity, I believe is unconstitutional. However, if they deputized them as border patrol agents, would that be legal? I don’t know.


45 posted on 10/02/2011 6:32:03 AM PDT by chainsaw (I'd hate to be a democrat running against Sarah Palin.)
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To: wolfcreek

You don’t want to address those already here. The fact is that your kind wants to play word games and keep the argument going so nothing will be done.

I have no use or time for the screw America crowd and that’s the end of the argument and that includes little ricky’s lying ass.


46 posted on 10/02/2011 6:33:48 AM PDT by cripplecreek (MLB Playoff thread http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2786167/posts)
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To: cripplecreek; Admin Moderator
I have no use or time for the screw America crowd and that’s the end of the argument and that includes little ricky’s lying ass.

Comments like that are now acceptable on FR but my comment of: "You're posting to counter effective dissemination of information" is a *ping" Jim Robinson offense?

What goes?

47 posted on 10/02/2011 6:38:09 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

“Why are you running to Jim Robinson?”

“You can say whatever you want.”

I think your the second statement answers your question. I was told last night by some other clown to shut up, and now you’re doing the same here.

I think JR needs to know what the Perry people are trying to do to his site.


48 posted on 10/02/2011 6:38:55 AM PDT by BobL (PLEASE READ: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2657811/posts)
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To: BobL

Where have I EVER asked someone to “shut up” or anything of the kind.


49 posted on 10/02/2011 6:42:20 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
-- I see you live in Maine so it's understandable that you see things differently. --

Whatever.

-- Perry wants a sealed border and he does not believe in amnesty. --

Perry's credibility sucks.

50 posted on 10/02/2011 6:43:23 AM PDT by Cboldt
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