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Rick Perry says U.S. troops may needed in Mexico to fight war against drug cartels
Daily Mail ^ | 10/2/11 | AP

Posted on 10/02/2011 7:14:39 AM PDT by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears

Republican presidential candidate Rick Perry has said that he is open to sending American troops to Mexico to help battle drug cartels. Mr Perry, the Texas governor, likened the situation to Colombia, where the government accepted American military support in battling drug trafficking.

Mexico's government, however, has been opposed to foreign forces in its territory.

'It may require our military in Mexico working in concert with them to kill these drug cartels and to keep them off of our border and to destroy their networks.

'I don’t know all the scenarios that are out there but I think it is very important that we work with them, to keep that country from failing.'

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"Help them fight" the drug cartels? They ARE the drug cartels.
1 posted on 10/02/2011 7:14:46 AM PDT by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears
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To: Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears

We can stay in our own yard and draw the line. We just need to draw that line firmly, with loaded magazines and clear Rules of Engagement.

There is no need for us to engage in yet another Mexican adventure on their turf. Our interest comes into play ONLY when they cross the line. So draw a firm line.


2 posted on 10/02/2011 7:18:42 AM PDT by DNME (We need new Sons of Liberty and their knack for civil disobedience.)
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To: Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears
There are two parts of the cartels ~ the wholesalers ~ in Mexico, and the retailers ~ in the USA.

Open warfare against both would make sense.

People like Soros and a number of well-known Libertarians should also be held accountable for encouraging drug use.

3 posted on 10/02/2011 7:18:59 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears
We have an army of over 10 million people in the US who speak Spanish and who have personal experience in Mexico. I say we draft these people into an expeditionary army and send them over our southern border. Invade Mexico with a massive wave of people. Men, women, children -- I say we send them all to Mexico. Then build a wall so that they don't come back.

Couldn't hurt.

4 posted on 10/02/2011 7:19:13 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The USSR spent itself into bankruptcy and collapsed -- and aren't we on the same path now?)
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To: Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears

Sending US military personnel to help resolve a country’s internal problems is NOT a good idea and I do not think anything good will come of it ...


5 posted on 10/02/2011 7:19:44 AM PDT by Ken522
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To: Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears
Maybe we should send them Garsdasil; make them too retarded to fight.
6 posted on 10/02/2011 7:20:56 AM PDT by Perdogg
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To: Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears

There may come a point in time when the narco’s take total control of Mexico, that we might be justified in sending troops to Mexico. Until then, we are far past the time that we should have put troops on our border.


7 posted on 10/02/2011 7:21:04 AM PDT by umgud
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To: Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears

More nation building. Afghanistan to the south.


8 posted on 10/02/2011 7:21:54 AM PDT by headstamp 2 (Time to move forward not to the center.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

hahahahaha love it


9 posted on 10/02/2011 7:22:26 AM PDT by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears (Bush called us "vigilantes." Perry calls us "heartless.")
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To: ClearCase_guy
We have an army of over 10 million people in the US who speak Spanish and who have personal experience in Mexico. I say we draft these people into an expeditionary army and send them over our southern border. Invade Mexico with a massive wave of people. Men, women, children -- I say we send them all to Mexico. Then build a wall so that they don't come back. Couldn't hurt.

Okay by me.

10 posted on 10/02/2011 7:24:20 AM PDT by Liz (The rule of law must prevail. We can’t govern ourselves by our personal point of view.)
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To: Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears

He had have some credibility on the issue if we was serious about illegals back in Texas...

(ok, report me for hijacking the thread, LOL)


11 posted on 10/02/2011 7:24:34 AM PDT by BobL (PLEASE READ: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2657811/posts)
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This is insane. You would have the SAME situation in Mexico that we face in Afghanistan. You would NEVER be able to turn your back on a Mexicn soldier without wondering if a bullet was aimed at your back.
Rick Perry has just lost another ten points for me...not that he had that many in the first place. This shows an astounding lack of judgement.


12 posted on 10/02/2011 7:25:51 AM PDT by MestaMachine (Wanna confuse obama? Ask him his REAL name.)
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To: Ken522

Ditto!


13 posted on 10/02/2011 7:27:58 AM PDT by JaguarXKE
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To: BobL

I agree with you. The guy is a walking punchline at this point.


14 posted on 10/02/2011 7:28:39 AM PDT by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears (Bush called us "vigilantes." Perry calls us "heartless.")
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To: Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears

Like I said yesterday.......”Lyndon Baines Perry”.


15 posted on 10/02/2011 7:29:05 AM PDT by gitmogrunt (Lessons In Disaster: LBJ, Carter,Clinton,Obama.)
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To: Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears
Before you people wet your pants, read the article and the quote. I know reading takes time, but context is important.

Mr Perry said the current violence may require similar military action.

'The way that we were able to stop the drug cartels in Colombia was with a coordinated effort,' Mr Perry said.

'It may require our military in Mexico working in concert with them to kill these drug cartels and to keep them off of our border and to destroy their networks. 'I don’t know all the scenarios that are out there but I think it is very important that we work with them, to keep that country from failing.'


16 posted on 10/02/2011 7:30:06 AM PDT by Perdogg
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To: Ken522

How about we legalize drugs for a while? More lives are being destroyed by our laws than by the drugs.


17 posted on 10/02/2011 7:31:58 AM PDT by Loud Mime (The Obama voters are dumber than you think, meaner than you can imagine)
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To: Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears
"Perry would help Mexico in concert with their military to fight" drug cartels? They ARE the drug cartels.

Perry's unbridled lust for presidential power is nauseating. Perry bombed in the debates, and now he will say anything to get back in the game...but Perry is a little too late---all of this has been happening right under his nose---and he did nothing to stop it.

He's done just the opposite---sucking up to Mexico like there was no tomorrow. PERRY (1) sucked-up to the Mexican govt, (2) insists on open borders, (3) passed the Texas Dream Act, (4) eased sub-prime mortgages for illegals, (5) lambasted US amnesty policy while on Mexican soil, and, (6) enticed illegals over the border with tax-subsidized giveaways.

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PERRY FAILED TO SPEAK OUT ABOUT THIS savage Mexican Zeta gangs expanding their growing drug empire inside the US, from Big D--Dallas.

DOES GOV PERRY KNOW HOW MANY Zeta drug kingpins and their cadres are attending Texas colleges w/ in-state tuition?

PERRY FAILED TO SPEAK OUT ABOUT THIS 200 armed incursions from Mexico over the border onto US soil in the last ten years.

PERRY FAILED TO SPEAK OUT ABOUT THIS Federal agents and US military were ordered to avoid all contact when Third World soldiers escorted Mexican drug cartel members across our borders.

GOV PERRY DID NOT STOP THIS Zeta gangs and Mexican drug cartels smuggling drugs, illegal aliens (? reconquista troops, ? terrorists bearing WMD?) over US borders.....aided and abetted by the Mexican govt.

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PERRY FAILED TO SPEAK OUT ABOUT THIS The Zetas ‘gulf Cartel, is a former "special forces unit" of the Mexican Army. The Zetas signature savagery is beheadings for those who d-a-r-e try to stop them. The Zetas have been in operation for years and years, and, thanks to all the US dollars they pocketed in Texas (legal and illegal), they have recently been recruiting openly in Mexico.

PERRY FAILED TO SPEAK OUT ABOUT THIS In the border city of Reynosa a banner reads, “Former soldiers sought to join armed group; good pay, $500,” “The Zetas operations group wants you, soldier or ex-soldier.”

18 posted on 10/02/2011 7:32:13 AM PDT by Liz (The rule of law must prevail. We can’t govern ourselves by our personal point of view.)
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To: Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears; DNME

It was US military support that helped Colombia get rid of the drug cartels, thanks to GW Bush. He revived this after Clinton had basically forced Colombia to cede a huge part of its territory to the leftist guerrillas and the drug cartels, which were mutually supportive.

I don’t think Mexico will go for it, though, because I don’t think they like or trust Obama... particularly after “Fast and Furious.”


19 posted on 10/02/2011 7:32:23 AM PDT by livius
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>>....our military in Mexico working in concert with them<<<

Working IN CONCERT with them???? Is he serious?

If he thinks the Mexican Government and the Mexican Army aren’t part of the cartels, and that they are WANTING to stop the flow of drugs, then he is way more stupid than I gave him credit for.


20 posted on 10/02/2011 7:33:41 AM PDT by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears (Bush called us "vigilantes." Perry calls us "heartless.")
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To: Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears

Continue to grasp.


21 posted on 10/02/2011 7:36:09 AM PDT by Perdogg
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To: DNME
We can stay in our own yard and draw the line. We just need to draw that line firmly, with loaded magazines and clear Rules of Engagement.
There is no need for us to engage in yet another Mexican adventure on their turf. Our interest comes into play ONLY when they cross the line. So draw a firm line.

There's the plan!


22 posted on 10/02/2011 7:38:07 AM PDT by Iron Munro (Obama/Rangel/Pelosi Code of Ethics: Don’t do as I do. Do as I say.)
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To: Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears

that’s stupid.

mexicans are not going to accept gringo military in their country.


23 posted on 10/02/2011 7:38:27 AM PDT by ken21 (ruling class dem + rino progressives -- destroying america for 150 years.)
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To: DNME
“Our interest comes into play ONLY when they cross the line. So draw a firm line.”

I guess nobody thought about NAFTA and the hundreds of large American companies and American citizens working there?

Sure, if it gets bad enough there the companies could be moved, but its not likely that it would be before the disruption tanks our economy.

The chance that the companies would come back here are slim, they would just move from there.

24 posted on 10/02/2011 7:39:55 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears

The dems must have run some really poor candidates for Perry to keep winning. This guy is an idiot.


25 posted on 10/02/2011 7:40:48 AM PDT by cableguymn
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To: Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears

Maybe he could send some troops to the border.

Or build a fence

OR not entice illegals to cross the border with promises of special preferential treatment if they go to college.


26 posted on 10/02/2011 7:41:43 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Overproduction, one of the top five worries of the American Farmer each and every year..)
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To: Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears

What does Perry plan to do about the corruption that is rampant throughout the Mexican government, law enforcement, and military that prevents or hinders attempts at stopping the drug cartels? If Mexico were truly run by Rule Of Law, they could exterminate the cartels and their members. Fix the corruption first...if possible.


27 posted on 10/02/2011 7:42:01 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: ken21

Did you read the article or just the headline (that was taken out of context)?


28 posted on 10/02/2011 7:44:11 AM PDT by Perdogg
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To: DNME
There is no need for us to engage in yet another Mexican adventure on their turf. Our interest comes into play ONLY when they cross the line. So draw a firm line.

As soon as we bring it to their turf, they'll bring it right back to ours. San Diego and El Paso are two of the safest big cities in America. This is only because the cartels want them to be. If we give the cartels a war, they'll give us one right back. This won't be a war thousands of miles away. It'll be here. Are we ready for nightclub bombings in San Diego's Gaslamp? UTEP college students getting machinegunned in their classrooms? We'd better be because this is exactly what we'll get if we pick a fight with the cartels.

It's not our fight. Not yet anyways. It's Mexico's problem. Let them deal with it.

29 posted on 10/02/2011 7:44:16 AM PDT by Drew68
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To: MestaMachine

“This is insane. You would have the SAME situation in Mexico that we face in Afghanistan. You would NEVER be able to turn your back on a Mexicn soldier without wondering if a bullet was aimed at your back.
Rick Perry has just lost another ten points for me...not that he had that many in the first place. This shows an astounding lack of judgement.”

I AGREE with you. I’d rather we seal off the border than try to go in there and PACIFY the place. It will be no different than the Middle East.

They can have their drug war - and KEEP IT.


30 posted on 10/02/2011 7:45:15 AM PDT by BobL (PLEASE READ: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2657811/posts)
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To: Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears

How about we start busting the cartels biggest customer instead? Namely leftist Hollywood? They’re blatant as hell about it yet they never get busted. Look at Charlie Sheen “Hello everybody, I have a suitcase full of coke”.


31 posted on 10/02/2011 7:45:35 AM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Mark Halperin - Learned the hard way what happens when you speak the truth on PMSNBC.)
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To: DNME

Going into Mexico would be a prelude to the NAU (North American Union). That would include America, Canada and Mexico. As in the EU, it wouldn’t work and just set up a dictatorship. What we do need is a 10 mile DMZ on the Mexican side of the border and make it a shooting range and bombing range. We don’t need boots on the ground, just planes in the air and warn the Mexican government what’s going to happen if they don’t fix things.


32 posted on 10/02/2011 7:46:40 AM PDT by RC2
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To: Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears

I read another article today that said the internal Mexican drup war is now pretty much down to the Zetas and Sinolian cartels battling each other for control of routes & territory.

One solution the U.S. could use is to help fund, organize and provide intel to Mexican versions of the Columbian “Los Pepes.” They can start killing off the family members of the cartels tit of tat.

It definitely had an impact on the outcome in the Columbian drug wars. (Read Mark Bowden’s Book “Killing Pablo” for more details).


33 posted on 10/02/2011 7:46:59 AM PDT by Towed_Jumper (There are only two classes of people left in the U.S. - Producers and Parasites.)
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To: Perdogg

i read the article.

did you?

it doesn’t matter if the u.s. is working in concert with the mexicans; it’s still intrusive.


34 posted on 10/02/2011 7:49:19 AM PDT by ken21 (ruling class dem + rino progressives -- destroying america for 150 years.)
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To: Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears

Hey this ddue is against a wall, against mass deportations, against cutting off the welfare and other bennies and he wants to send troops down there??

He’s just asking for millions of new immigrants


35 posted on 10/02/2011 7:51:37 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: GeronL

He did not say he was going send troops to Mexico.


36 posted on 10/02/2011 7:52:56 AM PDT by Perdogg
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To: muawiyah

Go after the disgusting Hollywood crowd who abuse drugs in the most horrifying manner. Clean up that crowd and half the problem would probably disappear.


37 posted on 10/02/2011 7:53:53 AM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears
I guess nobody thought about NAFTA and the hundreds of large American companies and American citizens working there?

That's the chance you take when you leave America to invest or reside in some 4th world cess pit.
American citizens are always free to come back home.

LBJ was criticized for thinking he was "Texas Ranger To The World", but that is exactly how our government has conducted itself for most of the last 60 years.

We are broke.
In fact, we are so far beyond broke we may never find our way back.
We can no longer afford to nursemaid the entire globe.

And we can see our efforts are not appreciated nor are they very effective.

It is time to concentrate on the well being of America and our one or two true friends around the world.
Let the rest of them sort it out on their own.


38 posted on 10/02/2011 7:59:14 AM PDT by Iron Munro (Obama/Rangel/Pelosi Code of Ethics: Don’t do as I do. Do as I say.)
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To: MestaMachine

I cringe at the thought of Perry wanting troops for Mexico. Mexico has troops and thousands of men to fight the cartels.
What next? What a damned mess. The problem is......Americans usng drugs and creating the demand. Hike the penalty for the drug users. This disease rehab stuff does not seem to work and DARE isn’t working either. Drug users
are a cancer that is killing our way of life.


39 posted on 10/02/2011 8:03:10 AM PDT by oldironsides
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To: Perdogg

Thanks for posting that. Sounds reasonable and rational.

This story has been posted several times in the last few days and every one has been feeding frenzy for the rabid Perry haters. The truth always shines through.


40 posted on 10/02/2011 8:05:46 AM PDT by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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To: Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears
You have the correct answer.

The problem with proposing a military solution to the drug problem is the nature of the conflict. The military will be strictly limited in what they can and can not do for political purposes/leverage. A situation very much like Vietnam.

The drug cartels will face no such restrictions.

The military can go after only active drug cartel dealers; their families and no active dealers will be off limits. Our military families, on the other hand, will be targets of the drug cartels. And everyone who has looked at this issue knows this.

In fact, Little Hollywood (TV) has already explored this on CSI with Jethro Gibbs.

If you look back at historical records 26 years ago you will find a Congressional push to involve the DOD in the War on Drugs. After the political hoopla died down that concept died a quick death because DOD studies indicated there was no way to fully protect the families of military members physically fighting the war on drugs.

Proof of statement - first read the Congressional Record the fall of 1985 looking for “Counter Drug Wing”. The realize a few months later the entire issue (but NOT the money) had disappeared.

Was there then and saw most of what went down. Ugly doesn't begin to describe it!

41 posted on 10/02/2011 8:08:16 AM PDT by Nip (TANSTAAFL and BOHICA)
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To: Iron Munro

I just watched Meet the Press and they had a map up of States that have had massive increases in Hispanic “voters” just since Obama took office in 2008. Scary numbers that essentially will flip Texas, NC, and Colorado to the Dem column if not stopped.

The Dem Hispanic congressman guest said that the GOP will lose if they keep alienating Hispanics. No, we’ll lose if we don’t build the fence, staff it and prevent employers from hiring illegals.

Maybe this societal breakdown In Mexico will bring the independents over to realizing the serious nature of this problem.


42 posted on 10/02/2011 8:12:23 AM PDT by SteveAustin
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To: Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears

$10,000 question

Why is MExico not so voiceferous on fast and furious while they are on free US gun ownership?

Why the silence at the UN?

Why Interpol not saying anything?

Oh, I forgot, all these were designed against us, and they are probably training the Mexican military to pimp our military and our country’s free citizens.

Watch out, most thuggish leaders of illegal workers in AMerica are “former” Mexican Army leaders.


43 posted on 10/02/2011 8:19:26 AM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears

$10,000 question

Why is MExico not so voiceferous on fast and furious while they are on free US gun ownership?

Why the silence at the UN?

Why Interpol not saying anything?

Oh, I forgot, all these were designed against us, and they are probably training the Mexican military to pimp our military and our country’s free citizens.

Watch out, most thuggish leaders of illegal workers in AMerica are “former” Mexican Army leaders.


44 posted on 10/02/2011 8:19:59 AM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: oldironsides
Anybody remember this?


45 posted on 10/02/2011 8:26:16 AM PDT by MestaMachine (Wanna confuse obama? Ask him his REAL name.)
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To: Perdogg

“’It may require our military in Mexico working in concert with them to kill these drug cartels and to keep them off of our border and to destroy their networks. ‘I don’t know all the scenarios that are out there but I think it is very important that we work with them, to keep that country from failing.’”

I repeat:

This is insane. You would have the SAME situation in Mexico that we face in Afghanistan. You would NEVER be able to turn your back on a Mexicn soldier without wondering if a bullet was aimed at your back.


46 posted on 10/02/2011 8:35:18 AM PDT by MestaMachine (Wanna confuse obama? Ask him his REAL name.)
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To: Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears

I liked Perry when he got in the race, but saying stuff like US troops to Mexico now makes me think his mouth-brain connection has a faulty connection. I don’t mind controversial ideas if good, but this troops comment is down right stupid. He hasn’t faced real debates with sneaky Democrats, what will Perry say to torpedo his candidacy then?


47 posted on 10/02/2011 8:55:14 AM PDT by RicocheT (Eat the rich only if you're certain it's your last meal)
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To: Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears

When the US military is all brought back to the Western Hemisphere (and they will be - we cannot sustain a global presence much longer), the emphasis should be on reinstating the Monroe Doctrine, which is to keep outside influences from infiltrating and controlling the zone of our primary interest.

We need oil? Not that we don’t already have plenty we could tap right within our national borders, but Mexico has plenty more, they are just not taking full advantage of what they have, by allowing the wells to fail, and exploring only in a most timid manner for more. If enough money is flowing through the Mexican economy, the incentive is not there to turn to illegal means of gaining foreign exchange, i.e., the brazen actions of the drug cartels that turns thousands of impoverished Mexican citizens into drug mules, and plants them within the US territory.


48 posted on 10/02/2011 9:03:29 AM PDT by alloysteel (Are Democrats truly "better angels"? They are lousy stewards for America.)
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To: Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears

Okay, I could see where it might at some point be in the national interest to go after those guys. That said...explain to me how a border fence is an intolerable hardship on border landowners, but a shooting war wouldn’t be.


49 posted on 10/02/2011 9:10:30 AM PDT by RichInOC (Palin 2012: The Perfect Storm.)
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To: MestaMachine

Ditto! That idea is insane.


50 posted on 10/02/2011 9:21:40 AM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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