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What is Next for Same-Sex Marriage Advocates?
Right Side News ^ | 10/1/2011 | Victoria Cobb

Posted on 10/02/2011 8:56:54 AM PDT by IbJensen

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To: IbJensen

rewriting schoolbooks and SAT questions that give moral equivalency to gay relations


41 posted on 10/02/2011 12:18:06 PM PDT by hecht ("Murray, use your coaster")
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To: IbJensen

I disagree with the argument of the article. It will not be polygamy or incest that is the next “progress” to be demanded, although that can’t be fought using the sodomites’ logic, but oppression of and the attempt to completely obliterate the Church of Jesus Christ. That has been their real target all along, because it has been Satan’s target, and Satan animates these degenerates.


42 posted on 10/02/2011 12:55:06 PM PDT by fwdude ("When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve ...")
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To: nonsporting

“Homophobia” is not an unreasonable fear.

I agree. I define Homophobia as : “A perfectly nature fear of behavior that is patently unnatural.”


43 posted on 10/02/2011 1:08:17 PM PDT by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: savagesusie

I don’t think pedophilia was nearly as common in ancient as the left wishes us to believe. From my reading older soldiers took young apprentices under their wing, I would bet the vast majority of these were not sexual at all.

It also doesn’t seem as accepted as they think either, even Wiki cites several written accounts opposing it


44 posted on 10/02/2011 3:25:01 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: Mr. Mojo
He forgot to mention the big one the prog pervs are after -- pedophilia. They want NO age prohibitions.

No, he didn't forget ......

This is a staged assault on the institution of marriage, precisely because it is normal.

45 posted on 10/02/2011 3:38:44 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: IbJensen

Suing churches who won’t perform “marriages” for queers.


46 posted on 10/02/2011 3:48:21 PM PDT by j_tull (I may make you feel, but I can't make you think.)
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To: Sola Veritas; nonsporting
“Homophobia” is not an unreasonable fear.

I agree. I define Homophobia as : “A perfectly nature fear of behavior that is patently unnatural.”

Actually, homophobia is on the list of clinical disorders -- it's an unreasoning, psychologically abnormal, morbid fear of homosexuals. However, the way homosexual propagandists and agitators throw the word around is cant and abuse, and should be challenged every time.

47 posted on 10/02/2011 3:52:06 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: j_tull; IbJensen
Suing churches who won’t perform “marriages” for queers.

....and eventually purging the chaplain corps of "non-reconciling" (Levitical, full-gospel) ministers and especially Catholic priests and Orthodox rabbis.

48 posted on 10/02/2011 3:55:46 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: savagesusie
Sexual immorality destroys people faster than all other types of immoral practices.

There is a passage in the Bible about how adultery hardens the heart faster and more thoroughly than any other sin.

I think what these people are after is, quite precisely, the hardening of the human heart, throughout humanity.

They want to live in a world full of dragon's teeth.

49 posted on 10/02/2011 4:00:24 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: Ransomed

I agree that the time to pass an Amendment has come and gone. Had the Sup Court imposed gay marriage back in the 90s, then I think the votes would have been there to pass an Amendment. That we as a society have come to the point where we believe the only legitimate remedy to a blatantly unconstitutional decision by the Sup Court is to pass an Amendment or get the Court to reverse itself is another matter altogether, but the fact is that we live with judicial supremacy.

In hindsight it might have been wise to call out all of the Republican and Democrats who voted against the Federal Marriage Amendment for the stated reason that they didn’t think it was necessary. Remember in the debates, many no votes said that they oppose gay marriage, but they claimed to see no reason to pass a FMA because the federal courts were letting the states handle the matter. How many were being honest, and how many were bluffing? So it might have been a good idea for proponents of traditional marriage had instead got behind Senator Hatch’s alternative Amendment, which did not define marriage but instead explicitly empowered the states to handle the issue. Of course that would not have helped where imperious state courts have imposed marriage and the people have not had a chance to vote, but it would have probably protected the majority of the states which have passed state marriage amendments.

I think at the time too many conservatives were either too confident of their ability to eventually pass their preferred FMA, and/or they had a principled objection to what they saw as conceding defeat on having a national standard for marriage.

For me, the main problem with Hatch’s alternative was that by passing an Amendment that basically singled out an issue as being beyond the power of the Sup Court, it sort of lends credence to the bogus view that w/o such an explicit Constitutional exclusion then the Courts rightly have jurisdiction over any and everything else. But since we’ve long since crossed that bridge, since all other branches of govt have meekly accepted the Sup Court’s outrageous power grabs, then perhaps it would have been wise to get behind a lesser Amendment of the type Hatch proposed.


50 posted on 10/02/2011 5:50:31 PM PDT by Aetius
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To: Aetius

“...it sort of lends credence to the bogus view that w/o such an explicit Constitutional exclusion then the Courts rightly have jurisdiction over any and everything else.”

That’s a good point. Another one that sort of goes along with it is if you start the amendment process, it will likely be for more than one issue, and not all all of them to the liking of conservatives. If it’s gotta be an amendment, and it might very well have to be, there’s the risk of other things getting in at the same time.

Freegards


51 posted on 10/02/2011 6:35:59 PM PDT by Ransomed
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To: IbJensen

Placemark for pingout tomorrow.


52 posted on 10/02/2011 7:54:11 PM PDT by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell.)
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To: lentulusgracchus; savagesusie

I missed pinging this thread today. Some really good comments, too; I’ll ping it out tomorrow.

Regarding the hardening of hearts - people want to live without hearing the small voice of God inside known as the conscience. So they pile junk on - hardening their heart - but sometimes His voice still is heard, and that’s why they hate anyone saying the same thing from the outside...


53 posted on 10/02/2011 8:19:16 PM PDT by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell.)
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To: Aetius; Ransomed
....but the fact is that we live with judicial supremacy.

Noting in passing your pessimism on the point, nevertheless the Constitutional language exists in black letters, that gives Congress the power to limit the federal courts' jurisdiction by statute.

That should be sufficient to overcome any liberal justices' waffles about "Necessary and Proper" and "General Welfare" and Marshall's various opinions on an expansive review power.

54 posted on 10/03/2011 12:24:41 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: IbJensen

Once again, Scalia’s dissent in “Lawrence v. Texas is proving to be right on the money.


55 posted on 10/03/2011 2:19:38 AM PDT by Ronin (If we were serious about using the death penalty as a deterrent, we would bring back public hangings)
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To: Carry_Okie
In the town of Soquel, near Santa Cruz, CA, there is a Home Depot. In it, there are two bathrooms, one for "Men" and the other for "Family." The message is certainly not subtle.

I think you might be mistaking the purpose for those two designations. Moms who are out shopping, and have little kids with them, want to be able to take them to the bathroom, if they, or she, should need to go. And we DON'T want to let our little boys go into the Men's bathroom all alone, whereas a Dad probably wouldn't be worried about about his daughter going into the Ladies' room alone. So having a 'Family' bathroom makes it easy for moms who have their little sons with them. The boys won't feel strange, because they're not going into the 'Ladies' room, they're going to the 'Family' bathroom.

56 posted on 10/03/2011 4:09:36 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: SuziQ

Excuse me, but first, I have been an involved parent of two girls I home schooled. Second, I’ve been a janitor.


57 posted on 10/03/2011 4:46:15 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (GunWalker: Arming "a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as well funded")
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To: lentulusgracchus

Yeah I agree, but there is no reason to expect Congress to use that power because they never do, at least not on any high-profile, contentious issue. If a Republican Congress threatened to use the power, they would be savaged as attacking the independence of our fair and impartial judiciary, and they would likely back down.

And who is to say that even if Congress had the stones to make a bold move with this power, that the Sup Court wouldn’t rule that they can’t use it that way? Who do you think would win such a Constitutional showdown? I have no doubt that the Sup Court would, especially if it were a conservative move by Congress.

So yes, I am hopelessly pessimistic about this matter. For a century now the Sup Court has been usurping power from Congress, the President, and the States. They have given themselves more power than the Framers and the Constitution ever intended. And they just keep getting away with it. The other branches and the States have not truly challenged them. We have meekly accepted it, and I see no hope that it will change.


58 posted on 10/03/2011 5:36:46 PM PDT by Aetius
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