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‘Bird-Brained’ Hypocrisy: Oil Companies Prosecuted for 28 Dead Waterfowl While Wind Companies
theblaze.com ^ | September 30, 2011 | Dave Urbanski

Posted on 10/02/2011 9:33:07 AM PDT by volunbeer

You may have gotten wind of the seven North Dakota oil companies recently charged in federal court with the deaths of 28 migratory birds.

The birds allegedly landed in oil waste pits in western North Dakota last spring; the maximum penalty for each charge under the Migratory Bird Treaty Act is six months in prison and a $15,000 fine, the AP said.

But did you know that wind-power companies are responsible for more than 400,000 bird deaths annually, and not one has faced a single charge?

The Wall Street Journal knows it, opining yesterday that the prosecutions are “bird-brained,” especially when wind-power outfits routinely beat the rap:

Wall Street Journal original article - http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111903791504576588642920063046.html

(Excerpt) Read more at theblaze.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: North Dakota
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The lunacy continues. I don't know exactly how many birds wind turbines kill but prosecuting an oil company for 28 birds seems absurd compared to birds struck down by wind energy. As Orwell said "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal......."
1 posted on 10/02/2011 9:33:10 AM PDT by volunbeer
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To: volunbeer

The article you posted says 400,000 birds killed annually by the windmills. Compared to these 28 birds, I’d say the windmill industry is a bird-killing holocaust.


2 posted on 10/02/2011 9:36:48 AM PDT by Newtoidaho (Fight organized crime. Vote out all incumbent Democrats!)
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To: volunbeer

Welcome to crony capitalism: You either play ball with Zer0, or you don’t play.


3 posted on 10/02/2011 9:36:56 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: volunbeer

Death is to be expected in service to the “Green Agenda”. Only the watermelons are imune.


4 posted on 10/02/2011 9:37:44 AM PDT by Drill Thrawl (0 - 537 They ALL must go.)
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To: volunbeer
Selective enforcement of the law; the preferred tool of tyrannies everywhere.
5 posted on 10/02/2011 9:40:49 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them." --Ronald Reagan)
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To: volunbeer

The eco-fascists love this kind of pandering to them
Of course Obama will direct his stooges to prosecute oil companies for this. Obama is desperate to stir up his greenie base and get them to the polls in November 2012


6 posted on 10/02/2011 9:44:48 AM PDT by dennisw (nzt - works better if you're already smart)
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To: Newtoidaho

Short sighted stupidity. There was enough evidence to anticipate the bird slaughter - but there was too much greed at risk by the crony con-artists and ignorance on the part of the anti-oil greenies.

I’m wondering what effect this is having in the back rooms of the Animal Rights advocates. Have they made any public protests?


7 posted on 10/02/2011 9:45:10 AM PDT by sodpoodle (God is ignoring me - because He is watching you.)
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To: volunbeer

Electrical distribution systems now must install $1500 ‘Raptor Shields’ so large birds don’t fry themselves by touching 2 conductors on the wires. Go figure.


8 posted on 10/02/2011 9:46:14 AM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Newtoidaho

They can argue the numbers and obviously it is only an estimate. However, I think it is a fact that more than 28 condors and eagles have been killed by one turbine farm in California alone.

It will be interesting to see if the oil company defends itself in court using this argument.


9 posted on 10/02/2011 9:46:24 AM PDT by volunbeer (Keep the dope, we'll make the change in 2012!)
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To: volunbeer

As long as the Left is killing innocent birds and babies with good intentions it’s all good!


10 posted on 10/02/2011 9:48:13 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Newtoidaho

Dump the food stamp program to save money, and feed the shredded poultry downstream to the starving victims of the Baraqqi Depression!


11 posted on 10/02/2011 9:51:02 AM PDT by nascarnation
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To: volunbeer

I just mentioned in another thread the Regime is going to go all-out to stop the development of the ND oilfields...just as soon as maximum $$$ is spent on the development phase, but before any $$$ can be made on production. This story is about birds, the other is about EPA complaints going against the developers.

This is but another arrow in the Obama quiver to destroy ND’s oil industry.


12 posted on 10/02/2011 9:54:46 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I like both Perry and Palin, and will vote for whichever of them wins.)
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To: volunbeer

I’ve been doing my dove hunting all wrong..400,000? I need to get me some turbines!

Can’t the oil companies sue the gub’mint for unfair prosecution or something like that?


13 posted on 10/02/2011 9:55:08 AM PDT by WePledge (Ich werde fur immer ein Hollenhund werden. Semper Fidelis)
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To: volunbeer

It would be interesting if the oil company brought an “equal protection” lawsuit against the administration for not having an even-handed stance with the wind-power people.


14 posted on 10/02/2011 9:59:17 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (When you've only heard lies your entire life, the truth sounds insane.)
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To: PapaBear3625
Selective prosecution. If the crime is dead birds you can't single out a minor offender and turn a blind eye to major ones.
15 posted on 10/02/2011 10:05:50 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: PapaBear3625

I hope the oil company does use an equality defense against this action. However, due to litigation costs and fear of additional government actions and reprisals they will probably pay a huge fine and that will be the end of it.

The government has deep pockets and more attorneys. The hypocrisy of this will go unnoticed by 95% of our citizens and the beat will go on.

I thought these articles and the underlying facts of this action were a perfect illustration of one of the major cancers our nation faces. Orwell was correct.


16 posted on 10/02/2011 10:08:36 AM PDT by volunbeer (Keep the dope, we'll make the change in 2012!)
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To: volunbeer

bttt

“The lunacy continues”, is right:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2786741/posts?page=15#15


17 posted on 10/02/2011 10:09:25 AM PDT by Matchett-PI (Obamageddon, Barackalypse Now! Bam is "Debt Man Walking" in 2012 - Rush Limbaugh)
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To: volunbeer
However, I think it is a fact that more than 28 condors and eagles have been killed by one turbine farm in California alone.

I was not able to find any verification of that statement, but I did find this:

June 6, 2011---The green killer: Scores of protected golden eagles dying after colliding with wind turbines

18 posted on 10/02/2011 10:11:55 AM PDT by thouworm (.)
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To: volunbeer

bump


19 posted on 10/02/2011 10:14:07 AM PDT by lowbridge (Rep. Dingell: "Its taken a long time.....to control the people.")
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To: volunbeer

If those windmills were killing polar bears THEN they’d be in trouble!!

Actually, they probably wouldn’t. The libs would come up with some ‘thinning the herd’ or ‘survival of the fittest’ argument. Of course it wouldn’t apply to ‘warming.’


20 posted on 10/02/2011 10:18:45 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: Right Wing Assault
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21 posted on 10/02/2011 10:30:25 AM PDT by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: thouworm

I have followed this controversy with wind farms and agree that it is hard to come up with an exact figure of birds that have been killed. Interestingly, the California Condor is an endangered species and we have spent huge sums of money to try and increase the population. I recently heard an interview on talk radio of an “activists” from California who alleged far more than 28 dead condors and golden eagles have been found underneath the turbines. I am in no position to verify the claims but there is obviously something to it.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1394945/The-green-killer-Scores-protected-golden-eagles-dying-colliding-wind-turbines.html

Stossel covered this on his program a few years ago and I looked for a transcript but could not find it. In addition to the loss of large birds there is plenty of evidence that bats are being slaughtered by these things.

The rule of unintended consequences is always present in the environmental movement.

These are all supportable statements -

The ban of DDT led to many thousands of malaria deaths in Africa.

The ban of regular lightbulbs will lead to mercury filled landfills as the new bulbs are discarded. How long before a child is diagnosed with mercury poisoning after breaking a bulb?

The push towards electrical cars does not reflect the increased costs (economic activity creates greenhouse gases) required to offset the higher costs. It also does not account for the disposal problems created by such large batteries using current technology.

The introduction (some say reintroduction) of wolves in the west is leading to the decimation of large grazing animals.

I don’t support the oil company creating an oil filled pond and it is reasonable that they should make an effort to clean it and prevent it. However, like others have pointed out, the hypocrisy of this action if it’s really about “the birds” illustrates a major cancer affecting our nation.

http://www.foxbusiness.com/on-air/stossel/blog/2009/09/09/green-double-standards

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203706604574376543308399048.html

This is not a new problem. Both of these articles addressing the same thing are from 2009.


22 posted on 10/02/2011 10:33:55 AM PDT by volunbeer (Keep the dope, we'll make the change in 2012!)
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To: volunbeer

How about all the birds killed when they fly into jet engines? Are the airline CEOs arrested and fined? What about the birds that fly into glass windows? Used to happen where I lived. Please don’t report me to #AttackWatch!


23 posted on 10/02/2011 10:38:25 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: volunbeer

I’ll bet the number killed by turbines pales against the number killed by transmission lines. Flocks that migrate at night plow into them. I’ve found Great Horned Owls, Virginia Rails, Canada Geese and lots of sundry songbirds under a single two hundred yard stretch of lines.


24 posted on 10/02/2011 10:40:51 AM PDT by gundog (Help us, Nairobi-Wan Kenobi...you're our only hope.)
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To: volunbeer

I do my best to kill more than 28 migratory waterfowl every year.


25 posted on 10/02/2011 10:43:02 AM PDT by bigheadfred (But alas)
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To: ilovesarah2012; gundog

I agree that the activity of man will impact nature. Power lines, automobiles (I ran over a porcupine and hit a woodpecker in the last few months), and large windows (we have one we need to hang a piece of stained glass on) all kill animals.

It is inevitable and I have no problem with an oil company needing to take measures to prevent an oil filled pond.

However, it disturbs me that they are “prosecuted” when “green energy” gets a pass.

P.S. - I reported myself numerous times to attackwatch and had plenty of laughs reading the stuff we put on there.


26 posted on 10/02/2011 10:48:17 AM PDT by volunbeer (Keep the dope, we'll make the change in 2012!)
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To: volunbeer

Tell me! I worked in the Texas oil field, I was there when we had to start “netting” open holding tanks to keep waterfowl from diving in. Really, I liked that rule. I remember one company in opposition put out a photo of a dead gull with talons caught in a net! Politics and the actuarial risk math do not mix well.

We have in Texas more windmills than anywhere. I can drive from here to Oklahoma and never be out of sight of one. As soon as the industry can live without the two cent/KWH subsidy, I’m all for it.

“bird-brained” is applicable. The modern three blade turbine fan (150’ radius) turns slowly, about 3 RPM, the blades “feather” to adjust to windspeed. Little birds, not so much. The dead birds we see are “gliders”; the larger species: Buzzards, hawks, gulls, and migratory birds.

I will say this: No one knows “exactly” how many birds turbins kill. California pays people nearly 50K a year to tour towers and count dead birds, and that gives them a good guess. For sure, the fans kill birds; more fans, more dead birds. Classic risk/return decision.


27 posted on 10/02/2011 10:48:29 AM PDT by barkeep (Post Hoc, Ergo Propter Hoc)
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To: bigheadfred

I do my best to kill more than 28 migratory waterfowl every year.


They are tasty!


28 posted on 10/02/2011 10:50:33 AM PDT by volunbeer (Keep the dope, we'll make the change in 2012!)
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To: volunbeer

You can be charged for “taking” an animal, and the definition of “taking” includes “disturbing” the animal. Now days to build a project you have to have a permit from the wildlife people licensing you to “take” so many animals each year, and you have to investigate and document each case.

We’re bankrupt. If we can’t de-fund these agencies, split them up and return them to the states, we’re not trying.

Any candidate for office who doesn’t yet understand the need to eliminate entire agencies isn’t fit for office. These agencies see themselves as kings. We overthrew kings two centuries ago and now we are reinstating them.


29 posted on 10/02/2011 10:56:40 AM PDT by marron
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To: volunbeer
I agree that the activity of man will impact nature.

The activities of man are a part of nature. But nature takes out plenty of birds all by herself. Lovely little critters like fox and skunk are hell on nesting waterfowl, and viral infections can spread through nesting habitat in the Canadian pothole country, killing millions of birds a year. 400K is not a lot of waterfowl, in the grand scheme of things. 28 is a joke. But keep buying that DAWN dishsoap folks.

30 posted on 10/02/2011 11:12:21 AM PDT by gundog (Help us, Nairobi-Wan Kenobi...you're our only hope.)
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To: marron

I agree. Furthermore, in most instances this should be a function of state government.

However, how much that will change without addressing the use of the courts by environmentalists is not clear. Under this administration, we are experiencing the government (instead of the Sierra Club) bringing the lawsuits and court actions. If the EPA or Fish and Wildlife had not brought the action it would have been an environmental group.

This further illustrates that the “radicals” are now in charge of our government. Nowhere is this more obvious than the EPA and Interior Department. The same folks bringing lawsuits in the past now have the keys to the car and they are, not surprisingly, using it!

Too often we overlook the power of the courts in setting the tone for our nation. This was why I held my nose and voted for McCain. The damage of Obama will not cease when he leaves the White House. It will extend past my lifetime through the courts.


31 posted on 10/02/2011 11:19:16 AM PDT by volunbeer (Keep the dope, we'll make the change in 2012!)
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To: barkeep

Based on my own observations living on acreage in the country it would be impossible to get an accurate count of the birds that are killed by turbines. It is probably that many animals who feast on carrion are probably learning that the turbines are a good source of food.

Interesting about the turbines and speed. The ones I see in the Columbia River basin here in Washington don’t appear to spin very fast but I am sure it’s fast enough.


32 posted on 10/02/2011 11:24:04 AM PDT by volunbeer (Keep the dope, we'll make the change in 2012!)
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To: barkeep

Based on my own observations living on acreage in the country it would be impossible to get an accurate count of the birds that are killed by turbines. It is probably that many animals who feast on carrion are probably learning that the turbines are a good source of food.

Interesting about the turbines and speed. The ones I see in the Columbia River basin here in Washington don’t appear to spin very fast but I am sure it’s fast enough.


33 posted on 10/02/2011 11:24:25 AM PDT by volunbeer (Keep the dope, we'll make the change in 2012!)
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To: barkeep
about 3 RPM

Sounds a bit slow. What is their max?

Tip speed ratios are supposed to be around 7, which means at 15 mi/h wind speed, the tips should be going over 100 mi/h (150 feet/s).

A 150' radius blade covers just under 500 feet per rev. This comes out to 500 feet/20s, which is only 25 ft/s.

Another way of looking at it would be that a tip speed of 25 ft/s would be caused by a 3.5 mi/h wind.

Am I missing something here?

34 posted on 10/02/2011 11:49:35 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: volunbeer
"I have followed this controversy with wind farms and agree that it is hard to come up with an exact figure of birds that have been killed."

Just to clarify, in case there was a misunderstanding, my intention was to source your statement, out of curiosity, not to dispute it. In those efforts, I came across the article I cited.

I can't agree with your posts more, except to say you give EPA a greater benefit of the doubt than I do as to their falling prey to the law of unintended consequences.

The EPA is an agency out of control and drunk with power. Their use of science is dubious at best, and most often deliberately negligent. In fact I would go so far as to say often criminal.

Case in point is an example you cite:

"The ban of regular lightbulbs will lead to mercury filled landfills as the new bulbs are discarded. How long before a child is diagnosed with mercury poisoning after breaking a bulb?"

This infuriates me far more than the subject under discussion. How could the EPA NOT be aware of the consequences of filling out landfills with mercury and proliferating a known toxin into the environment where our children, the most vulnerable to mercury's toxic effects, spend the greatest amount of their time---their homes?

While compact fluorescent lamps used in homes are not legally classified as hazardous waste....

WHY NOT? We all know why, and we all know that that will SURELY be the next step when this regulation goes into full implementation.

If a compact fluorescent lamp breaks in your home, open nearby windows immediately to disperse any mercury vapor that may escape, carefully sweep up the glass fragments, and wipe the area with a disposable paper towel to remove any remaining fragments. Do not try to pick up glass fragments with your hands, and do not use a vacuum. Place all glass fragments in a sealed plastic bag and dispose of them with your other household trash.

from a CFL- and green-friendly source

35 posted on 10/02/2011 11:51:24 AM PDT by thouworm (.)
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To: thouworm

I agree with you about the CFL controversy.

My point when I wrote above about the courts no longer being the first choice of environmentalists to force their views illustrates this.

Fact, environmental radicals now hold key positions of power in this administration. The EPA is now staffed with the same Sierra Club types who used to hijack the courts to impose their views. Sadly, the courts, EPA, congress, and this administration are all staffed with persons whose ideas are best described as radically anti-capitalist. They are using the agencies of government to impose their will because they have spent years taking over those agencies (see the State Department - a mini-UN within our own government).

Obama can’t sell his agenda to congress so the radicals he brought with him to D.C. are using the agencies he put them in charge of to implement “change”. Congress (including Boehner and the 2010 crowd) have allowed them to get away with it.


36 posted on 10/02/2011 12:04:48 PM PDT by volunbeer (Keep the dope, we'll make the change in 2012!)
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To: volunbeer
This sort of thing has been going on for a very long time. Animals have been getting stuck in tar pits for as long as there have been tar pits.
37 posted on 10/02/2011 12:55:01 PM PDT by jmcenanly
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To: volunbeer

“I don’t know exactly how many birds wind turbines kill...”

I keep hearing that but no one has EVER posted a picture. We keep seeing pix of oil-covered birds; I wanna *see* some of that Colorado golden eagle shredded tweet!


38 posted on 10/02/2011 1:43:22 PM PDT by Peet (Cogito ergo dubito.)
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To: Newtoidaho

Surely something must be done about this.. can you see Windmill Farms Nuggets in the freezer section of your local grocery store some time soon?


39 posted on 10/02/2011 4:00:51 PM PDT by Trillian
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To: volunbeer

The US FWS spent 45 days flying around in helicopters looking for violations, and the 28 birds’ prosecutions involve seven oil companies. It isn’t certain how the birds died or ended up in the pits, there was record snowfall last winter in the region and record snowmelt as well. With over 1000 wells being drilled a year here, and over 5000 producing wells in the State, the record is actually pretty good. But most wells here are on privately held mineral acres, and not Federal Land, and the Obamites have been doing all they can to shut down the one shining economic beacon in the US, creating jobs, no housing collapse, it is here as if there was no recession. And all the FedGov can do is try to stop it.


40 posted on 10/02/2011 7:55:06 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: volunbeer

These aren’t condors and Eagles, they are migratory waterfowl or songbirds.


41 posted on 10/02/2011 7:56:32 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: volunbeer

Sounds like Obamao does not like the prosperity in North Dakota.


42 posted on 10/02/2011 8:21:05 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (It's the Tea Party's fault!)
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To: gorush

Cleanup on Tower Six!


43 posted on 10/02/2011 8:23:01 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (It's the Tea Party's fault!)
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To: Smokin' Joe

tagline repair


44 posted on 10/03/2011 10:55:39 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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