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Imagine There's No God.....Only Evolution
Renew America ^ | Sept. 13, 2011 | Linda Kimball

Posted on 10/03/2011 5:29:32 AM PDT by spirited irish

Karl Popper (1902-1994) was a British philosopher and a professor at the London School of Economics. Because he is regarded as one of the greatest philosophers of science of the 20th century, what Popper had to say about Darwinism is of utmost importance to the desperate political struggle fought between creationists and methodological and ontological naturalists. This is because the America of the Founding generation is firmly grounded in the Genesis account of creation, Old and New Testament morality and Christian theism, yet the original meaning and intent of U.S. law — as now controlled and defined by anti-God naturalism — has been radically changed so that it now reflects the doctrinal decrees of imperialist atheist evolutionary naturalism.

Whereas the Founding generation esteemed the Bible and used it to teach their children to read, comprehend and think logically as well as to properly train them in morality and self-discipline, in contemporary America, God, Bible, and moral absolutes have been banned in favor of evolutionary science, atheism, moral relativism, and self-gratification. The still-unfolding consequences of all of this are destructive and terrible, adversely affecting every level of society from the individual to the family, community, and cultural institutions to local and national politics.

In post-Christian America atheist evolutionism is taken for granted throughout the college curriculum, just as it is in all aspects of modern thought and experience, especially within the progressive liberal community. Evolution not only undergirds biological and earth sciences, but also Freudian and Jungian psychology, anthropology, law, sociology, politics, economics, the media, arts, medicine, and all other academic disciplines as well.

Evolution-believers range from atheists and scientists to esoteric Free Masonry, Hollywood insiders, occult New Age spiritists, Satanists, powerful Transnational Progressives, and large numbers of people who call themselves Christian. Among this last group are Liberal Christians, Roman Catholics, Protestants, Emergent Church leaders Brian McLaren and Rob Bell, growing numbers of the Evangelical contemporary Church, and an increasingly vocal community of Christian scholars and scientists such as Dennis Venema. Venema is a senior fellow at BioLogos Foundation, a Christian group that tries to reconcile the Bible with evolutionary science, and as a consequence teach that humans emerged from apes.

Evolutionary naturalism is poisoning and destroying America's traditional foundations, and when the foundations have finally been destroyed, all that is built upon them will be destroyed as well.

Americans have been deceived, and are needful of learning the truth about Darwinism — and all other evolutionary theories, by whatever name they are called.

Evolutionism: Spiritual...not Empirical

Though Popper esteemed evolutionary theory and natural selection, he also forthrightly stated that Darwinism is not a testable scientific theory but rather a metaphysical research program. By this he means that not only is Darwinism metaphysical (spiritual), but so are its' two most important foundations, classical empiricism and the observationalist philosophy of science that grew out of it.

Empiricism is a theory of knowledge that contradicts itself by asserting that human knowledge comes only or primarily via sensory experience rather than the mind while observationalism asserts that human knowledge and theories must be based on empirical observations....instead of the mind. For this reason, Popper argued strongly against empiricism and observationalism, saying that scientific theories and human knowledge generally, is conjectural or hypothetical and is generated by the creative imagination.

In other words, all three theories originated in the mind, a power of which is imagination. As mind is a power of soul, then Darwinism, empiricism, and observationalism are spiritual. In short, all three theories are frauds. They claim to be what they are not in order to obtain an advantage over the Genesis account of creation by imposition of immoral means.

In Noah Webster's American Dictionary of the English Language, 1828, soul and imagination are respectively defined as:

1. Soul: "The spiritual, rational and immortal substance in man, which distinguishes him from brutes; that part of man which enables him to think and reason."

The Founding generation knew that mind is a power of soul, and imagination the power by which mind conceives:

2. Imagination: "...the power or faculty of the mind by which it conceives and forms ideas of things communicated to it by the senses....The business of conception (and the) power of modifying our conceptions, by combining the parts of different ones so as to form new wholes of our own creation...(imagination) selects the parts of different conceptions, or objects of memory, to form a whole more pleasing, more terrible, or more awful, than has ever been presented in the ordinary course of nature."

In conclusion, evolutionism is an invention of imagination, an invention more terrible and more destructive than has ever been presented in the ordinary course of nature. It imagines that God is dead, that life somehow emerged out of nonlife, that man is not created in the spiritual image of God the Father but is rather a soulless, mindless ex-ape of evolution. It imagines there is no sin, no "hell below us, and above us only sky."

Evolutionism is an invention of imagination, and it has taken the post-Christian West by storm.

copyright 2011 Linda Kimball


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: atheism; darwinism; evolutionism; gagdadbob; god; moralabsolutes; onecosmosblog; scientism
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1 posted on 10/03/2011 5:29:35 AM PDT by spirited irish
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To: metmom; csense; GodGunsGuts

ping


2 posted on 10/03/2011 5:32:26 AM PDT by spirited irish
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To: spirited irish

Then there is no morality except spreading your genes as widely as possible and destroying any competition, through any means necessary.


3 posted on 10/03/2011 5:32:46 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: little jeremiah; wagglebee

ping


4 posted on 10/03/2011 5:33:08 AM PDT by spirited irish
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To: spirited irish

Imagine, Evolution is God’s way.


5 posted on 10/03/2011 5:34:35 AM PDT by Rudder (The Main Stream Media is Our Enemy---get used to it.)
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To: spirited irish

I imagine there are both.


6 posted on 10/03/2011 5:41:44 AM PDT by stuartcr ("Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different.")
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To: spirited irish

Imagine there is no Allah....


7 posted on 10/03/2011 5:43:03 AM PDT by Le Chien Rouge
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To: spirited irish

Ping for later


8 posted on 10/03/2011 5:49:06 AM PDT by Alex Murphy (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2703506/posts?page=518#518)
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To: Rudder

If Adam and Eve descended from apes, and apes fron other life-forms and so on over vast stretches of time, then God is a God of death not life and men need saving from God.

It is obvious that when dropped into soil a tomato seed goes through a transformative process from seed to vine. Note that a tomato seed nevers transforms itself into something else entirely, as macroevolutionists believe happens despite the fact that no such thing has ever occured.

We all know that these transformatist processes occur. Where everything goes wrong is when men, whose minds are finite and given to error, construct theories of everything on that basis and then attempt to conform the Genesis account to their imaginary constructs.


9 posted on 10/03/2011 5:51:07 AM PDT by spirited irish
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To: stuartcr

ping to #5


10 posted on 10/03/2011 5:52:18 AM PDT by spirited irish
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To: spirited irish

I don’t follow Popper, I follow God. He can make an entire universe for each soul He creates, if it pleases Him. He can certainly make “evolution” operational on this little world without discrediting Himself.
A few centuries ago, the average person was offended by the suggestion that he arose from an egg.
Yet we all arise from eggs; and babies are still from Heaven.


11 posted on 10/03/2011 5:54:02 AM PDT by Lady Lucky
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To: Rudder
Imagine, Evolution is God’s way.

Do you understand how oxymoronic that statement happens to be? How can a designer allow something to happen by random chance? It is a self-defeating argument.

God is the grand designer, he created all life. The miracle of the cell and DNA has his fingerprints all over it.

12 posted on 10/03/2011 5:57:34 AM PDT by rjsimmon (1-20-2013 The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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To: Lady Lucky
He can certainly make “evolution” operational on this little world without discrediting Himself.

Not so. He created life. Not once did something appear where God said "Wow, never expected THAT!".

13 posted on 10/03/2011 5:59:57 AM PDT by rjsimmon (1-20-2013 The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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To: spirited irish

In a sense, Liberalism is responsible for today’s secular evolutionist’s ideas. To paraphrase a quote: Liberalism is the dogmatic affirmation of the absolute independence of the individual and of the social reason. True Christianity, on the other hand, is the dogma of the absolute subjection of the individual and of the social order to the REVEALED AND ABSOLUTE LAW OF GOD. One doctrine is the exact antithesis of the other. They are opposites in direct conflict.


14 posted on 10/03/2011 6:00:48 AM PDT by ThomasMore (Islam is the Whore of Babylon!)
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To: rjsimmon

It’s all to avoid “Cosmic Accountability”.

Most folks only want to be held accountable to their own standard, which inevitably is set at just one degree below how they want to live anyway.

“Sin is... being out of alignment with my values.”
Barack Obama, Nov 20, 2008


15 posted on 10/03/2011 6:01:21 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: spirited irish

If Genesis and its account of creation are not true, then the rest of the Bible is crap. No two ways about it. Pure crap. It all stems form and is based upon In The Beginning. Jesus referred to both Adam and Noah. Was he mistaken. The multi-billion dollar evolution industry is aimed at Genesis 1:1. The very foundation. Jesus’ lineage can be traced back to Adam. Unless it’s a lie.
We are in this mess largely, maybe wholly, because people have come to think of themselves as just another animal, just an accident of evolution.
The foundation must be guarded and rebuilt.


16 posted on 10/03/2011 6:01:46 AM PDT by all the best
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To: ThomasMore

Evolution and Communism go hand in glove.

Communism is “societal evolution”, justified by natural evolutionary theory,

it is also based on:

the idea that some humans are further advanced than others and deserve to rule

and the idea that the difference between a machine, a bug, a dog, and a human are just a matter of degree.


17 posted on 10/03/2011 6:03:27 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: rjsimmon

That’s so illogical, I don’t know where to start.


18 posted on 10/03/2011 6:03:56 AM PDT by Lady Lucky
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To: spirited irish; wagglebee; GodGunsGuts; Fichori; tpanther; Gordon Greene; Ethan Clive Osgoode; ...

We’re reaping the fruit of that as we see the moral breakdown of our society


19 posted on 10/03/2011 6:04:55 AM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: MrB
Then there is no morality except spreading your genes as widely as possible and destroying any competition, through any means necessary.

Exactly. The Ten Commandments and the entire Western Civilization founded upon Judeo-Christian values are out the window. We're all just evolved monkeys that only "think" we know better.

20 posted on 10/03/2011 6:06:47 AM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: metmom

Ref Romans 1:18-32

Notice that all of the things we see in society are evidence of God’s Wrath on a nation, not the cause of God’s Wrath on a nation.


21 posted on 10/03/2011 6:06:53 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: ThomasMore

Agreed. Evolutionism is pride disguised as science, for it is man’s finite mind over the infinite mind of God the Father.

As the first victim of pride is truth, for pride hates truth, ought we be surprised that evolutionism is fraudulent? That it is spiritual rather than empirical?


22 posted on 10/03/2011 6:08:45 AM PDT by spirited irish
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To: ThomasMore

Agreed. Evolutionism is pride disguised as science, for it is man’s finite mind over the infinite mind of God the Father.

As the first victim of pride is truth, for pride hates truth, ought we be surprised that evolutionism is fraudulent? That it is spiritual rather than empirical?


23 posted on 10/03/2011 6:09:42 AM PDT by spirited irish
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To: spirited irish

North Korea...any questions?


24 posted on 10/03/2011 6:10:28 AM PDT by ICE-FLYER (God bless and keep the United States of America)
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To: spirited irish

God speaks to us through the Bible and through His natural world. If the literal interpretation of Genesis is true then He is lying to us through his World.


25 posted on 10/03/2011 6:11:30 AM PDT by DManA
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To: Lady Lucky
He can certainly make “evolution” operational on this little world without discrediting Himself.

Although I do not believe that God used evolution to create man, your position on evolution is at least reasonable. It blows my mind when people actually think that a series of unguided genetic oopsies brought the myriad of lifeforms into being.

26 posted on 10/03/2011 6:13:42 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: rjsimmon
How can a designer allow something to happen by random chance?

He didn't go with the random thingy, nor does evolution.

27 posted on 10/03/2011 6:17:59 AM PDT by Rudder (The Main Stream Media is Our Enemy---get used to it.)
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To: all the best

Agreed. Plus, if the Genesis account is not true, if He did not speak, then man is free to imagine his own god, or gods and goddesses. In this light, evolution is an idol of the imagination.


28 posted on 10/03/2011 6:18:08 AM PDT by spirited irish
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To: ICE-FLYER
North Korea...any questions?

Good example.

29 posted on 10/03/2011 6:18:54 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: DManA

“...then He is lying to us through his World.”

Please explain your claim.


30 posted on 10/03/2011 6:20:33 AM PDT by spirited irish
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To: MEGoody

He made ADAPTATION operational, and this is why species/kinds can adapt to various environments on this earth.

This ability was ORIGINAL in the created kinds,
and was NOT added later, gradually.
To put it another way, the adaptibility that evos would credit to mutation is/was actually already in the information in each creature at creation.


31 posted on 10/03/2011 6:22:01 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: spirited irish

Imagine that there’s BOTH- He started and controls it.


32 posted on 10/03/2011 6:25:04 AM PDT by JimRed (Excising a cancer before it kills us waters the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: spirited irish

The evidence from studying the Earth testifies to its great
age.

But what is time to God? Just another of his inventions. 7 days to one observer can be 4 billion years to another observer.


33 posted on 10/03/2011 6:27:07 AM PDT by DManA
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To: Rudder
He didn't go with the random thingy, nor does evolution.

Then your understanding of evolution is lacking. Evolution involves random mutations, minute changes over time to the benefit of some organism, which is dubious at best because an organism would have to experiment with change in order to find which is best and then adopt only that specific mutation, this implies intelligence and the ability to develop mutations spontaneously. Mutations themselves are probematic as they tend to be detrimental to the life of the organism (>70%).

34 posted on 10/03/2011 6:29:33 AM PDT by rjsimmon (1-20-2013 The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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To: Rudder; spirited irish; GodGunsGuts; Fichori; tpanther; Gordon Greene; Ethan Clive Osgoode; ...
Imagine, Evolution is God’s way.

Not so. Variation within species is God's way.

Evolution is a construct of man's anti-God thinking designed to eliminate the need of Him in our world. It's based on nothing but forensic evidence and lots of extrapolation.

It's a philosophical construct, not science.

35 posted on 10/03/2011 6:29:55 AM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: DManA

Lying to us through the natural world?

Perhaps the more correct statement, is that it ‘appears to be so, based on our own faulty understanding of what we see and find’.

God does not lie, either in His Word, nor in the world. We see here through a glass darkly, we’ll understand it ALL later.


36 posted on 10/03/2011 6:31:48 AM PDT by RoadGumby (For God so loved the world)
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To: MrB

Very insightful.


37 posted on 10/03/2011 6:32:50 AM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: rjsimmon

Selective pressure bias from the environment: and there goes randomness. Mutation is not the sole driver of evolution, nor is randomness.


38 posted on 10/03/2011 6:34:29 AM PDT by Rudder (The Main Stream Media is Our Enemy---get used to it.)
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To: metmom
Evolution is a construct

And "God is a construct by which we measure our pain."

39 posted on 10/03/2011 6:36:13 AM PDT by Rudder (The Main Stream Media is Our Enemy---get used to it.)
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To: Lady Lucky
That’s so illogical, I don’t know where to start.

Then I suggest you re-read the statement.

The theory of evolution and God as creator are polar opposites. Evolution involves random mutation whereas the Creator is specific and designs His creation. Nothing caught Him by surprise. To suggest otherwise strips the Creator of omniscience.

40 posted on 10/03/2011 6:36:49 AM PDT by rjsimmon (1-20-2013 The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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To: RoadGumby

Yes. I believe that. Where there appears to be a discrepancy the fault is in our interpretation. Studying the natural world can help us understand his Word if we are willing to admit that our first interpretation may not be completely correct.


41 posted on 10/03/2011 6:38:21 AM PDT by DManA
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To: DManA; spirited irish; MrB; GodGunsGuts; Fichori; tpanther; Gordon Greene; Ethan Clive Osgoode; ...
God speaks to us through the Bible and through His natural world. If the literal interpretation of Genesis is true then He is lying to us through his World.

Wrong. You're interpreting the physical evidence wrong because you don't know all the facts.

Who's the standard of truth here? You, who are a mere mortal with limited capacity to know and understand, or God, the omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent designer and creator of the universe and who told us how He did things?

It's disingenuous and intellectually dishonest to accuse God of deceit when the problem is you.

42 posted on 10/03/2011 6:40:19 AM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: spirited irish; wideawake
the America of the Founding generation is firmly grounded in the Genesis account of creation, Old and New Testament morality and Christian theism, yet the original meaning and intent of U.S. law — as now controlled and defined by anti-God naturalism — has been radically changed so that it now reflects the doctrinal decrees of imperialist atheist evolutionary naturalism.

I'm going to say something that's going to be misunderstood by everyone.

Everyone on this forum knows (or should know) that I am a militant Young Earth Creationist and Genesis literalist, and I'm all for dissecting Darwinism. But what do the Founding Fathers have to do with this? Truth is truth, and it doesn't have to be filtered through America's Founding Fathers any more than it has to be filtered through the founders of Saudi Arabia or of Sri Lanka. We don't need James Madison's permission to believe in G-d.

Folks, G-d is G-d. Let's stop filtering Him through nations and civilizations and just embrace universal, objective Truth on His authority. Ultimately, the religious beliefs of the American Founders aren't important.

43 posted on 10/03/2011 6:40:39 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu.)
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To: Rudder
Selective pressure bias from the environment: and there goes randomness. Mutation is not the sole driver of evolution, nor is randomness.

Interesting. But this also implies intelligence behind the selection, does it not? Mutation is indeed the sole driving force behind evolution. Even Creationists believe in decent with modification. We as children are modifications of our parents. However, were we to be improvements, then there would be no disease, deformities, flaws. I am simplifying this to be sure, but I hope you understand my point.

44 posted on 10/03/2011 6:40:40 AM PDT by rjsimmon (1-20-2013 The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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To: DManA; spirited irish

“The evidence from studying the Earth testifies to its great
age.

But what is time to God? Just another of his inventions. 7 days to one observer can be 4 billion years to another observer.”

Then how can you accuse God of lying as you did in post 25?

For your consideration....

The Age of the Universe by Dr. Gerald Schroeder
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1576941/posts


45 posted on 10/03/2011 6:44:49 AM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: MrB

Absolutely! The ability of every organism to adapt to its enviroment is a mechanism that is already in place in its DNA. Placed there by the hands of the Creator.

Well said.


46 posted on 10/03/2011 6:45:14 AM PDT by rjsimmon (1-20-2013 The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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To: spirited irish

The ultimate irrationality is those who affirm “Theistic Evolution” but deny “Intelligent Design.”

We are either here by accident or we are here by design.


47 posted on 10/03/2011 6:46:32 AM PDT by cookcounty (2012 choice: It's the Tea Party or the Slumber Party.)
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To: Rudder; rjsimmon
Selective pressure bias from the environment: and there goes randomness. Mutation is not the sole driver of evolution, nor is randomness.

Then you are implying, by default, purpose.

What is the source of the purpose?

48 posted on 10/03/2011 6:46:42 AM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: DManA
Studying the natural world can help us understand his Word if we are willing to admit that our first interpretation may not be completely correct.

Yes, you have to be open to more than one "interpretation" of the evidence present in the natural world. The evolutionary interpretation is a construct based on an arbitrary assumption, ie, circular reasoning. You assume, baselessly, evolution, then extrapolate billions of years on top of that, then interpret the physical evidence through this lens, without questioning the lens first off.

The creationist interpretation IS supported by observation of the evidence, and IS based on something non-arbitrary, the Word of God.

49 posted on 10/03/2011 6:48:16 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: rjsimmon

I really dislike these kinds of discussions. It is obvious to me that God exists, that Jesus is the Only Begotten, Virgin-born, Son of God who died for my sins, etc.

It is also obvious to me that there was an inevitable Fall, known by God beforehand and incorporated into His plan “from the foundation of the world”. There was a Fall before Adam and Eve — that guy, what’s his name? Oh, yeah, Lucifer.

Even if you want to take the first three to six chapters of Genesis as something other than a poetic and metaphor-heavy story of creation, you still have to account for the fact that there was something anti-God loose in the cosmos prior to Eve eating the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil.

Some day, I suspect that scientists will discover that every life-form that has come into existence was predestined in the first strand of DNA that was formed by the hand of God. Or maybe they will never discover it, but it is true anyway.


50 posted on 10/03/2011 6:48:33 AM PDT by old3030 (I lost some time once. It's always in the last place you look.)
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