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Tesla S gets souped up speed
Fuel Fix ^ | October 3, 2011 | Jillian Cohan

Posted on 10/03/2011 7:27:21 AM PDT by thackney

Electric carmaker Tesla got gearheads buzzing this weekend with its announcement of a tweak to its Model S luxury sedan to give it super speed. The souped up version will go 0-60 mph in 4.5 seconds and get about 320 miles per charge.

Green Car Reports has more on the specs:

The sportier version features the same 85 kilowatt-hour, 300 miles-per-charge battery pack found in the 2012 Model S Signature series.

“That’s quicker than a [Porsche] 911 [Carrera],” joked [Tesla CEO Elon] Musk. “Not bad for an electric luxury sedan.”

In fact, it’s better than some of the gas-powered cars in its class, including a few that Tesla fans say look remarkably similar to the Model S:

•Supercharged Jaguar XF: 0-60 mph in 5.2 seconds

•Maserati Quattroporte 0-60 mph in 5.3 seconds

•Aston Martin Rapide 0-60 mph in 5.0 seconds

•Volvo S60: 0-60 mph in 6.8 seconds

Want more? Check out this clip of Model S test cars on the track:


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KEYWORDS: automakers; efv; electricity; energy; tesla
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1 posted on 10/03/2011 7:27:28 AM PDT by thackney
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To: thackney
Electric cars have unlimited torque.

Its about the only advantage they have over ICE automobiles.

2 posted on 10/03/2011 7:29:03 AM PDT by skeeter
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http://www.teslamotors.com/models

Reservations

* The reservation payment is 100% refundable.

* Reservation payments vary by country: $5,000USD / $5,000CAD. The reservation payment for Model S Signature is $40,000USD/$40,000CAD.

Pricing

* At the base price of $49,900 (after US Federal Tax Credit), Model S comes equipped with the 160-mile range battery pack.

* The 230-mile range option is priced at about $10,000 more than the base and the 300-mile option at about $20,000 more than the base.


3 posted on 10/03/2011 7:30:18 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney

so.. how does it do with the AC on, lights and stereo going?


4 posted on 10/03/2011 7:31:59 AM PDT by camle (keep an open mind and someone will fill it full of something for you)
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To: thackney

Not sure of the need to go 0-60 in 4.5 seconds in a sedan.

Another Obama Green Car with loans from the government that will default.


5 posted on 10/03/2011 7:34:29 AM PDT by cowtowney
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To: skeeter

“Electric cars have unlimited torque.”

Don’t know about unlimited, but torque is the name of the game. What electrics really have is very high rpms. A gasoline motor with a rotating mass big enough to generate significant torque, generally can’t rotate much beyond 6k. A super motor will go 8k.

I’m open to electrics, but that 320 miles on a charge would be a problem for a road trip!


6 posted on 10/03/2011 7:34:39 AM PDT by brownsfan (Aldous Huxley and Mike Judge were right.)
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To: thackney

The US Gov’t has no business being involved in this. This is a case where Obama as no idea what capitolism is, or how it works. The US Gov’t is supposed to be the “Umpire”; to ensure that all parties are playing fairly.

When we have the Umpire (Uncle Sam) playing on a particular side (Chevy Volt, for example) we wind up with a case where Telsa is forced to compete in a commercial venture, against the American taxpayer sponsored ‘champion’.

This results in an inferior vehicle (Chevy Volt) being financed by the taxpayer, competing against a commercial enterprise that cannot begin to compete with the financial incentives that Chevy enjoys - at the expense of both the taxpayer, as well as Tesla.


7 posted on 10/03/2011 7:36:42 AM PDT by Hodar ( Who needs laws; when this FEELS so right?)
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To: cowtowney
Not sure of the need to go 0-60 in 4.5 seconds in a sedan.

Need has nothing to do with the love of fast cars. ; )

8 posted on 10/03/2011 7:37:07 AM PDT by Prokopton
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To: skeeter
Electric cars have unlimited torque.

Not unlimited, but very good.

Its about the only advantage they have over ICE automobiles.

I like the status symbol of driving a coal powered car.

But it is too quite to safely drive around pedestrians. It will need sound effects for people to hear it approaching. I recommend the sounds of a "Top Fuel" dragster for starting out, then switching to a steam locomotive for steady driving.

9 posted on 10/03/2011 7:37:23 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: All

Cool...About 7-10 dollars per charge...Of course, it is about 20-40 thousand dollars too much for the average American. And the battery replacement costs....

Not against electric vehicles in general, but I am against being forced towards it whenever we still have options.


10 posted on 10/03/2011 7:39:46 AM PDT by Maringa
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To: thackney
The souped up version will go 0-60 mph in 4.5 seconds and OR get about 320 miles per charge.

Fixed it.

11 posted on 10/03/2011 7:40:14 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: camle
so.. how does it do with the AC on, lights and stereo going? in the dead of winter in January?

And why am I, a taxpayer subsidizing Tesla Motors?

12 posted on 10/03/2011 7:41:20 AM PDT by Obadiah (Okay, so what's the speed of dark?)
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415 NM = 306 ft-lbs


13 posted on 10/03/2011 7:41:28 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney

With time, they will get better and cheaper.

Now we just need more AMERICAN Coal powered and Nuclear powered electric plants and a better electric grid.


14 posted on 10/03/2011 7:44:12 AM PDT by ZULU (DUMP Obama in 2012)
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To: thackney

Try this site. If a guy can do this in his garage, how much should an electric car cost? One thing people need to remember is the electric dangers for the average person. You can get electric shocks from these thing. http://www.opb.org/programs/ofg/segments/view/1686


15 posted on 10/03/2011 7:53:51 AM PDT by RC2
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To: thackney

Interesting. Nice looking. Still an around town car and it doesn’t sound like anything.


16 posted on 10/03/2011 7:55:48 AM PDT by svcw (Those who are easily shocked... should be shocked more often. - Mae West)
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To: brownsfan

Concerning road trips...........how often do you stop for gas? I estimate I stop around every 400 miles. I will lose any where’s from 15-30 minutes at every stop. If these electric cars can be charged in that amount of time, there is no loss. I guess you have to decide how far you want to go without stopping for gas or a re-charge and how long you are willing to wait for either.


17 posted on 10/03/2011 8:00:09 AM PDT by RC2
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To: thackney
The Tesla overheats when driven hard and the brakes failed in Top Gear's road test

Jeremy drives the Tesla Roadster (Top Gear series 12, episode 7)

BBC's 'Top Gear' fires back at Tesla's lawsuit

Tesla filed a lawsuit last week saying that it had to shoot down falsehoods raised on the show even though it aired two years ago. The California company run by entrepreneur Elon Musk, shown in the photo above, says it remains dogged by false allegations. Among other things, Tesla took issue about the car running out of power on the show well before its claimed range and the claim that the brakes didn't work. In fact, Tesla says they remained operable even if a fuse failed.

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18 posted on 10/03/2011 8:07:50 AM PDT by Elle Bee
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To: ShadowAce

Exactly! Plus the 320 mile range is only with an extra battery pack that is not standard.

The ICE powered cars will do the 0-60 trick repeatedly, the Tesla S will not.


19 posted on 10/03/2011 8:10:18 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: thackney

From the Wiki entry:

Pricing has been announced at US$57,400 for the base-level model with a 160 mi (260 km) range, US$67,400 for an intermediate model with a 230 mi (370 km) range, and US$77,400 for a high-end “Signature Series” model with a 300 mi (480 km) range.[19] For qualified consumers there is a US$7,500 federal tax credit in the United States and there are other applicable local incentives available in several states.[20]

The company also announced plans to rent or lease high capacity battery packs which offer a 300 mi (480 km) range. Profits from the Model S are expected to fund development of a more affordable third vehicle codenamed “BlueStar”.

The base model will have a range of 160 miles (260 km) when fully charged using a 42 kW·h battery pack (24 kW·h/100 mi, 108 mpgge). Larger, longer range battery pack options will be available as well; the options announced include a range of 230 miles (370 km) from a 65 kW·h pack (26 kW·h/100 mi, 100 mpgge) and a range of 300 miles (480 km) from an 85 kW·h pack (26 kW·h/100 mi, 100 mpgge).[27] The base battery pack will contain 5,000 lithium-ion cells, reported to be sourced from Panasonic, while the larger battery packs will both contain 8,000 cells and weigh approximately 1,200 pounds (540 kg). The largest pack will use the same number of cells, but each cell will have a 30% higher specific energy to enable the pack to store the additional energy.[28] A 45-minute QuickCharge of the 42 kW·h pack will be possible when a 3-phase 480 volt, 100 amp circuit is available (80 amp continuous draw from a 100 amp breaker).


20 posted on 10/03/2011 8:12:04 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: thackney

My friend has a Tesla Roadster...I can tell you from first hand experience, this car is a rocket ship!

All torque. You are pushed back in the seat and you stay there until the foot comes off the pedal. The most interesting thing besides the speed is no gear changes. It just keeps accelerating with no let up. That’s how you build an electric car folks!


21 posted on 10/03/2011 8:13:32 AM PDT by MarketR
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To: RC2

Charging the batteries that quickly shortens their lives.

The faster you charge the packs, the more you shorten their life.

It can be done though, if the high power charge station is available.


22 posted on 10/03/2011 8:17:56 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: thackney; skeeter

As long as they get half-million dollar per car subsidies they can keep making them I guess


23 posted on 10/03/2011 8:18:15 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: camle

I can use it about 7 months a year in Minnesota.

where do I take it when it breaks?


24 posted on 10/03/2011 8:22:21 AM PDT by WOBBLY BOB (See ya later, debt inflator ! Gone in 4 (2012))
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To: thackney

I drove by the old NUMMI plant yesterday and saw the Tesla sign...
F U B O


25 posted on 10/03/2011 8:26:20 AM PDT by ▀udda▀udd (7 days - 7 ways a Guero y Guay Lao << >> with a floating, shifting, ever changing)
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To: thackney
Rimac

0-60 2.8 sec.

26 posted on 10/03/2011 8:31:03 AM PDT by SC DOC
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To: ltc8k6

“Profits from the Model S are expected to fund development of a more affordable third vehicle codenamed “BlueStar” “

What are the odds that this “affordable” model never gets built to any degree short of a major Obama cash infusion.


27 posted on 10/03/2011 8:32:32 AM PDT by DAC21
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To: brownsfan

How often do people take long trips? Once or twice a year? I see electrics as a good second car or one to give your college age child. For around town is good—but for a long trip you need another gas fired car.
What we need is a good cheap electric—not a feel good electric sedan for rich liberals to think they are saving the world.


28 posted on 10/03/2011 8:33:21 AM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: thackney

The Porsche Carrera beats the crap out of the Tesla on the 0-full tank test.


29 posted on 10/03/2011 8:37:07 AM PDT by Fresh Wind ('People have got to know whether or not their President is a crook.' Richard M. Nixon)
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To: SC DOC
The article reads like it has not been tested yet.

Combined peak output is claimed to be 1,088 horsepower and 2,800 pound-feet of torque, which Rimac says will rocket the Concept One from 0-60 mph in just 2.8 seconds and see it reach an electronically limited top speed of 190 mph.

- - - - - - -

What street rated tires do they believe can convert 2,800 ft-lbs of torque to pavement?

30 posted on 10/03/2011 8:37:55 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: RC2

“Concerning road trips...........how often do you stop for gas?”

From the Tesla website:

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The Universal Mobile Connector is ideal for road trips. Fully recharge – from empty to full – in less than 6 hours. The NEMA 14-50 adapter is included. Additional adapters (purchased separately) enable the Roadster to plug into nearly any outlet, anywhere.

******

Got 6 hours to spend every 300 miles?

I could use this around town, but for a road trip? Not so much.


31 posted on 10/03/2011 8:38:47 AM PDT by brownsfan (Aldous Huxley and Mike Judge were right.)
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To: Forward the Light Brigade

“How often do people take long trips? Once or twice a year?”

I agree. I think the ultimate solution to our energy problems isn’t any one solution. It will be a variety. For me, I could use an electric car. But there is no way I’m spending the money they want for class of car. Same for hybrids.

An electric car that could go up to 300 miles on a charge is going to work for me for 95% of what I do. I’m married, so if she has a gas fired car, and I had a reasonable electric... less gas used, and we have the flexibility of a road trip car in the family.


32 posted on 10/03/2011 8:44:55 AM PDT by brownsfan (Aldous Huxley and Mike Judge were right.)
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To: thackney
That's a sharp looking sedan.


33 posted on 10/03/2011 8:45:17 AM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: Forward the Light Brigade
How often do people take long trips? Once or twice a year?

In my mind, none of the electrics are intended for the single vehicle owner with multiple use needs.

If you want to haul stuff, travel long distances, and only own one car, this is never going to be the car for you.

That said, if enough people get electric cars, I could easily see someone renting a streamline generator on a trailer for this application.

34 posted on 10/03/2011 8:52:34 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: brownsfan

Yep...that is a problem. They need to find a faster way to charge them. The guy in the video, at the drag strip, said he can charge his batteries in 15-20 minutes. How does he do that?


35 posted on 10/03/2011 8:57:02 AM PDT by RC2
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To: ltc8k6

That was a question that I had.....the life of the battery with a fast charge. Batteries aren’t cheap. Just look at the cost of batteries for a solar system.


36 posted on 10/03/2011 8:58:57 AM PDT by RC2
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To: RC2
Just look at the cost of batteries for a solar system.

The sun is battery powered? (Just kidding!)

37 posted on 10/03/2011 9:13:05 AM PDT by Fresh Wind ('People have got to know whether or not their President is a crook.' Richard M. Nixon)
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To: Forward the Light Brigade
How often do people take long trips? Once or twice a year? I see electrics as a good second car or one to give your college age child. For around town is good—but for a long trip you need another gas fired car. What we need is a good cheap electric—not a feel good electric sedan for rich liberals to think they are saving the world.

I agree on the good, CHEAP comment. $79,900 is NOT what I am about to spend on something that does not fit all of my needs or something I am going to buy for my college age kid.
38 posted on 10/03/2011 9:19:51 AM PDT by Eagle of Liberty (Shaking My Head on a daily basis)
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To: Obadiah
in the dead of winter in January?

If it holds up as well as my laptop battery did in Canada in -30 degree weather, I would say not well.
39 posted on 10/03/2011 9:24:25 AM PDT by Eagle of Liberty (Shaking My Head on a daily basis)
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To: ZULU
Now we just need more AMERICAN Coal powered and Nuclear powered electric plants and a better electric grid.

That's one of the BIG aspects that many people overlook. Electricity will still need to be generated somehow! And if the entire country ever goes electric, one of two things must happen. Either the grid is beefed up or town by town across America gets OFF the grid. Decentralization in areas such as electricity supply would go a big way in making us less vulnerable to certain types of attack.
40 posted on 10/03/2011 9:29:42 AM PDT by Eagle of Liberty (Shaking My Head on a daily basis)
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To: Elle Bee

Top Gear Executive Producer: “Our primary reasoning behind the verdict had nothing to do with how the Tesla performed”

He may have been better remaining quiet. He essentially admits that many of their statements were not based on testing, but on calculations and their opinion that nobody would want a car that needed to be recharged after a couple hundred miles.

For me, if I had money just sitting around, I’d already own one of these cars. For most of my driving, 200 miles a day would be more than enough. I’d still need my Prius for our long-haul vacations. But my average day is about 20 miles of driving, maybe 40 if I have to run errands, and even a lot of my weekend outings are under 200 miles total.


41 posted on 10/03/2011 9:37:51 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Eagle of Liberty

Good point.


42 posted on 10/03/2011 9:41:49 AM PDT by ZULU (DUMP Obama in 2012)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
so there opinion is based upon their opinion ... what's wrong with that?

Watch the entire video of the test and you will see that their statement/opinion was accurate

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43 posted on 10/03/2011 9:57:12 AM PDT by Elle Bee
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To: RC2
The guy in the video, at the drag strip, said he can charge his batteries in 15-20 minutes. How does he do that?



Swap out? Not sure how complex that is? I suppose it could be made easy by a motivated manufacturer.
44 posted on 10/03/2011 10:44:33 AM PDT by brownsfan (Aldous Huxley and Mike Judge were right.)
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To: thackney

Is this the one Gore has an interest in? (And us as well, with our tax dollars?)


45 posted on 10/03/2011 10:45:17 AM PDT by texas_mrs (Heartless Conservative & Native Texan)
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To: texas_mrs

Tesla Motors is a publicly traded company these days.

Depending on your mutual funds, you might have an interest in it as well.

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/mh?s=TSLA+Major+Holders


46 posted on 10/03/2011 11:01:09 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Elle Bee

We are big fans of Top Gear, and have watched all of the shows starting with season 5. I thought the show was fine; it was his response to the lawsuit I thought was unhelpful to his cause.


47 posted on 10/03/2011 11:17:40 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: brownsfan

> I think the ultimate solution to our energy problems isn’t any one solution. It will be a variety.

I agree, and that’s why I get P.O.ed when our side automatically ditches an idea like solar or electric cars because Zer0 is for it.

Alternative energy is worth exploring... but not to the exclusion of hydrocarbons. Electric cars have their place... but will not REplace gas-powered, at least for now.

I know, now I’ve P.O.ed everybody else! :-)


48 posted on 10/03/2011 1:42:01 PM PDT by VictoryGal (Never give up, never surrender! REMEMBER NEDA)
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To: VictoryGal

“I know, now I’ve P.O.ed everybody else! :-)”

Only the reactionaries.

If EVERYONE wants or needs something, then it’s quite likely that that item will be scarce and expensive.

If some of us have a natural gas powered car, some have electrics, some have gasoline, diesel, and even hydrogen fuel cells... it’s good for ALL of us.

It opens up more niche businesses, and gives the consumer more choices. I love my gasoline powered car, but I’d go electric if it were sensible to do so.


49 posted on 10/03/2011 1:49:38 PM PDT by brownsfan (Aldous Huxley and Mike Judge were right.)
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To: CharlesWayneCT; All

I drive roughly 40 miles 1 way. There is no way a electric car would help me at all..


50 posted on 10/03/2011 4:57:52 PM PDT by KevinDavis (What has Ron Paul done in Congress??)
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