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Herman Cain in May: Don't Kill Anwar al-Awlaki (Get out the Popcorn)
The Atlantic ^ | October 3, 2011 | Chris Good

Posted on 10/03/2011 10:32:55 AM PDT by Captain Kirk

The killing on Friday of Anwar al-Awlaki, a U.S. citizen described as a powerful al-Qaeda terrorist, has stirred considerable debate about whether it's appropriate for a president to order an American assassinated.

Evidently, Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain shares those concerns.

The above video was recorded just after the first nationally televised GOP presidential debate of the 2012 campaign cycle, held in Greenville South Carolina on May 5 of this year, according to its YouTube page.

"He should be charged. And since he's an American citizen, he should be tried in our courts," Cain said of al-Awlaki. When asked if he considered it legal for President Obama to order al-Awlaki killed, Cain said, "In his case, no, because he's an American citizen."

It has been known since early 2010 that the CIA and the U.S. military's special-operations division maintain kill lists with three to four Americans on them. Al-Awlaki, a U.S.-born cleric, was on the list. He was reportedly killed in Yemen on Friday in a U.S. drone and jet strike. A classified Department of Justice memo authorized the killing, The Washington Post reported.

(Excerpt) Read more at theatlantic.com ...


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KEYWORDS: alawlaki; assassination; cain; paul
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Two other GOP presidential candidates, former New Mexico governor Gary Johnson and Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas), questioned the killing. Former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney and Texas Gov. Rick Perry, meanwhile, praised it.
1 posted on 10/03/2011 10:33:01 AM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: Captain Kirk

He should stick at running a Pizza company. Running for Presidency is way over his head. Are we seriously going to consider voting for someone to be President, the most powerful job in the world, when he has never ran for an elected office before? Wake up people.


2 posted on 10/03/2011 10:38:25 AM PDT by jgge
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To: Captain Kirk

Well, as one of the frontrunners (for the moment) Cain’s record and statements are going to be thoroughly examined, and a lot of this kind of stuff is going to come out.

If any of the other candidates consider him an actual threat, they are going to rip him apart over it because Cain is clearly wrong here. You know if someone is in agreement with Ron Paul and Gary Johnson on an issue of national security, that person is almost certainly 100% wrong.


3 posted on 10/03/2011 10:38:50 AM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: Captain Kirk

I’m in the Cain camp but he’s wrong on this one.


4 posted on 10/03/2011 10:39:27 AM PDT by Personal Responsibility (Cain 2012!)
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To: Captain Kirk
Again if we are looking for the perfect candidate he or she doesn't exist. I don't agree with Cain on this one but I would vote for him.
5 posted on 10/03/2011 10:39:42 AM PDT by mk2000
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To: Captain Kirk

I think it was the dumbest thing we could have done. We should have taken him alive, let him have a few weeks of meaningful interrogation (REAL interrogation, not just what’s your name, please sir) and then turned him over to sleep with the fishes. This guy was a goldmine. Killing him from the air was stupid.


6 posted on 10/03/2011 10:39:52 AM PDT by jessduntno (Obama shanks. America tanks.)
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To: Longbow1969

I agree with Cain on this. Regardless of how you feel, however, it will be very interesting to see if he tries to back off from this or spins like crazy.


7 posted on 10/03/2011 10:40:48 AM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: Captain Kirk

I differ with Cain on this one. ‘Course, I’m a big fan of 007’s “license to kill”.

Our whole concept of law and order is nice and works very well, but there is stuff that is played out outside that particular playing field all the time. If you get rounded up for robbing banks that the cops are “SURE” that you robbed, you still get your day in court. In the real world of “known terrorism” or other similarly wrongheaded activity, that sort of treatment of “rights of the accused” is way too complicated, messy and, too darned ineffective. You may want to be on the lookout for the presence of very expensive and very accurate missiles overhead.

And that is as it should be.


8 posted on 10/03/2011 10:42:53 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Captain Kirk

The common sense solution is to kill a terrorist enemy combatant no matter what the citizenship. American safety first. Herb’s been drifting a little.


9 posted on 10/03/2011 10:43:19 AM PDT by sanjuanbob (Festina Lente)
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To: jgge

Oh...he ran...He didn’t get past the primary.


10 posted on 10/03/2011 10:43:28 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: jessduntno

He be dead , and I be glad.

No telling how many American lives will be saved with the death of this POS.


11 posted on 10/03/2011 10:43:43 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: Captain Kirk

Nice try, Atlantic.

Cain would have to be dead for decades before his IQ would descend to that of the Cretin-in-Chief..

Add another millenia of so for his IQ to descend to that the writers and editors of your wimpy mag.


12 posted on 10/03/2011 10:44:28 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: jgge

JFTR, Cain did run for Senate in 2004 but lost the primary to some RINO. Agree that he’s wilting under the spotlight, no suprise there.


13 posted on 10/03/2011 10:44:49 AM PDT by Baladas ((ABBHO))
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To: Captain Kirk

Sorry to say Freepers but every American citizen, no matter how horrible they are, has the right to due process. No one person should have the right to summarily assasinate a US citizen. It’s a slippery slope, you give Obama a pass on this, then what else will he get free passes on. THis guy should have been captured and then afforded his day in court as is his right as an American.


14 posted on 10/03/2011 10:45:42 AM PDT by eak3
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To: Da Coyote

Nice try? Er....um.....do you believe that the Atlantic lied about Cain’s views and/or doctored a youtube?


15 posted on 10/03/2011 10:45:52 AM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: Captain Kirk

If an American fought along side the Japanese or Germans in WWII would they get shot?.....I hope so


16 posted on 10/03/2011 10:46:18 AM PDT by woofie
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To: jessduntno

Was taking him alive an option? If so, then I agree. If not, well, I shed no tears for that POS.


17 posted on 10/03/2011 10:47:20 AM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier currently deployed in the Valley of Death, Afghanistan)
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To: Captain Kirk

There is a reasonable argument to have on this issue, and targeting US citizens is a tough issue. If there ever is an exception, this is clearly it. He was a militant traitor.

This is not a clearly black and white issue, and is worthy of an adult discussion.


18 posted on 10/03/2011 10:47:53 AM PDT by ilgipper (Everything you get from the government was taken from someone else)
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To: Captain Kirk
If an American citizen puts on the uniform of an enemy we are at war with they lose any rights they once had. You whack them on sight.

Joining with the terrorists was no different. The worthless bastard got his just deserts.

19 posted on 10/03/2011 10:48:24 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: eak3
every American citizen, no matter how horrible they are, has the right to due process.

Not once he becomes an enemy combatant.

20 posted on 10/03/2011 10:48:41 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (I never win at Scrable.)
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To: Venturer

“No telling how many American lives will be saved with the death of this POS.”

No telling how many more if we knew what he had planned already with some assassin - BEFORE the other shoe dropped.- the evil this bastard might have planned before he died lives on. Would have been a GOOD thing to have dug it out of him...with a spoon.


21 posted on 10/03/2011 10:49:11 AM PDT by jessduntno (Obama shanks. America tanks.)
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To: ilgipper
This is not a clearly black and white issue, and is worthy of an adult discussion.

With an election coming up? Not much chance of that.

22 posted on 10/03/2011 10:49:40 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: Sacajaweau; Baladas

Thanks for the info. Yet he is too delusional to think that he is going to win the nomination and the Presidency.


23 posted on 10/03/2011 10:51:26 AM PDT by jgge
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To: jgge

At least you establishment republican types are showing your true colors now.

What we need are more Herman Cains and less “elected to office before” types.


24 posted on 10/03/2011 10:51:57 AM PDT by CSI007
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To: Captain Kirk

Maybe this guy got what he deserved but there were TWO U.S. citizens killed, not one, two.


25 posted on 10/03/2011 10:52:03 AM PDT by muddler (Diligentia, Vis and Celeritas)
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To: eak3; All

There is a really simple answer to this problem. Do a trial in absentia (since he was in Yemen), there was plenty of eveidence, revoke his citizenship. Then take him out.


26 posted on 10/03/2011 10:52:50 AM PDT by blasater1960 (Deut 30, Psalm 111...the Torah and the Law, is attainable past, present and forever.)
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To: Captain Kirk

[ I agree with Cain on this. Regardless of how you feel, however, it will be very interesting to see if he tries to back off from this or spins like crazy. ]

I think there should be a standard that if you are living out of the country for X number of years and are in X organisation that is a Designated enemy you automatically “denounce your citizenship”, and thus are now a foreign national.


27 posted on 10/03/2011 10:53:26 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: jgge
Herman "flip flopper" Cain doing his Romney imitation (see http://hotair.com/archives/2011/10/02/video-cains-presser-at-teacon-midwest/):

In a brief Q&A with our panel after his speech, Cain told the crowd that he fully supported Barack Obama’s decision to strike Anwar al-Awlaki.

28 posted on 10/03/2011 10:53:43 AM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: jessduntno

And how many US troops lives are you willing to risk to get this SOB terrorist alive? I am so happy that he died the way he died.


29 posted on 10/03/2011 10:54:07 AM PDT by jgge
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To: Captain Kirk
The question to be asked is:

How have we treated citizens or anchor babies
who have taken up arms against America since
the Revolutionary War ?


30 posted on 10/03/2011 10:54:07 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: blasater1960

[ There is a really simple answer to this problem. Do a trial in absentia (since he was in Yemen), there was plenty of eveidence, revoke his citizenship. Then take him out. ]

NAILED IT!


31 posted on 10/03/2011 10:54:13 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: Captain Kirk

Well, I see the Democrats’ “Divide and Conquer” strategy is roping a few dopes on our side.

We are suppposed to be smart enough to focus our attacks on the Idiot-in-Chief.

It makes me wonder if George Soros might have “bought” a few “Republican” campaign consultants who have been tasked with tricking Republcian candidates into assuming our famous circular firing squad formation.


32 posted on 10/03/2011 10:54:24 AM PDT by pfony1
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To: muddler

You are correct, the other POS was the bomb maker for the underwear bomber.


33 posted on 10/03/2011 10:54:31 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: Captain Kirk

I am really disappointed in Cain, his stupidity the last few days is breath taking. Good guy in so many respects.......


34 posted on 10/03/2011 10:55:35 AM PDT by svcw (Those who are easily shocked... should be shocked more often. - Mae West)
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To: eak3
Agree. So many Freepers are jumping on to the wrong side of this issue.

We ALL hate terrorist scum, but giving the US Govt the broad right to kill citizens abroad who they ACCUSE of terrorism is too much. Try the guy in absentia if you've got proof he's a terrorist; sentence him to death; then kill him.

Conservatives fear and loathe Government; Liberals want the Executive to have broad and unfettered power, including the power to kill its proclaimed enemies.

This issue has been turned on its ear here at FR.

35 posted on 10/03/2011 10:55:39 AM PDT by d-back
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To: Jeff Chandler
every American citizen, no matter how horrible they are, has the right to due process.

Not once he becomes an enemy combatant.


No kidding, Jeff. If you're in a foreign country conspiring with our enemies after taking up arms against the United States, you're a target. It's stupid to think we'd have to either have him arrested or, if that is not possible, just let him keep doing what he was doing.
36 posted on 10/03/2011 10:56:23 AM PDT by DTxAg
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To: eak3

Terrorist Awlaki was a traitor and therefore he was no longer a US citizen.


37 posted on 10/03/2011 10:56:23 AM PDT by jgge
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To: Captain Kirk

while killing this guy in yemen, who was a us citizen on A TECHNICALITY, is ok with me as far as he goes, I think people should be concerned about the precedent of the government deciding to kill US citizens. Would it have been ok for them to kill him inside the US?

Posters shouldn’t worry about hem killing muslims, they should worry about that DHS memo about who to watch out for (normal people military vets etc). Those are the people I worry about eventually being subject to administrative resolution down the line.


38 posted on 10/03/2011 10:56:26 AM PDT by WoofDog123
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To: SoldierDad

“Was taking him alive an option?”

Don’t see why not...we lit him up, so we knew where he was. He might have killed himself, but I doubt it. He was a “planner” not a warrior. These scummy bastards need to be turned inside out whenever possible...we got so much intel from Gitmo, it stands to reason that’s our best bet...but as the second half of my original post said...we drain his brain and then send him to the virgins, not let him loll around in Cuba. I think the air strikes are OK if they are the last resort, but nothing I’ve read has indicated it to be the only way to get him. Expediency is just not always the best bet, especially the way these tough guys squeal like pigs. Then kill em.


39 posted on 10/03/2011 10:56:56 AM PDT by jessduntno (Obama shanks. America tanks.)
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To: Captain Kirk
The POS should rot in hell. What should we do arrest these pukes, advise them of their right to an attorney, and pay for their legal bills? There is a war going on and Al Awaki won't be killing any more Americans. It does illustrate the hypocricy of Obama and Holder. They can send drones all over the world to kill whoever they want, while at the same time they want to prosecute CIA & FBI agents for enhanced interrogation. What BS!!
40 posted on 10/03/2011 10:58:07 AM PDT by kenmcg (pROBLEM)
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To: Captain Kirk

I am surprised that Reid and Pelosi are not calling for Obamas impeachment given the criticism they leveled at Bush just for ordering wiretaps of foreigners. Someone should explain why its not unconstitutional for the president to order the death of an American citizen without any due process at all.


41 posted on 10/03/2011 10:58:30 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Captain Kirk
The POS should rot in hell. What should we do arrest these pukes, advise them of their right to an attorney, and pay for their legal bills? There is a war going on and Al Awaki won't be killing any more Americans. It does illustrate the hypocrisy of Obama and Holder. They can send drones all over the world to kill whoever they want, while at the same time they want to prosecute CIA & FBI agents for enhanced interrogation. What BS!!
42 posted on 10/03/2011 10:58:35 AM PDT by kenmcg (pROBLEM)
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To: Captain Kirk

I agree with Cain. If we go down this slippery slope of saying government can assasinate any citizen, without due process, what’s to stop a nefarious government from targeting tea partiers?


43 posted on 10/03/2011 10:58:46 AM PDT by justsaynomore (Cain 2012 - http://teamcain.hermancain.com)
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To: Captain Kirk
There are a few issues here. The root of the issue is that because the leftists have so demonized Guantanimo we now must take the more extreme act of killing rather than capturing. In the sick twisted mind of the liberal it is much better to kill a man with a missile than to pour water over his face. Secondly, we don't need to arrest and try all people. If a criminal holds people hostage, we can shoot him. We don't say, well we'd rather let him kill all those hostages than risk not taking him to court, that's just nuts. These terrorists were actively killing US soldiers (perhaps not directly but through their actions). There is no need to let them continue to kill soldiers while we try to figure out how to safely arrest them just because they are American.

There could be a court and I would support one, but it would be a political minefield. Terrorists are essentially insurrectionists. I can envision the government presenting a case to the court with an invitation of said insurrectionist to turn themselves in for trial. The court could issue a warrant of sorts.

44 posted on 10/03/2011 10:59:59 AM PDT by douginthearmy
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To: Captain Kirk

Man, that is some mighty flip flop in a matter of months.


45 posted on 10/03/2011 11:00:56 AM PDT by jgge
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To: Jeff Chandler
Not once he becomes an enemy combatant.

Is that really the standard we want?

What is to keep Obama from declaring the Tea Party "enemy combatants"?

46 posted on 10/03/2011 11:00:56 AM PDT by Retired Greyhound (.)
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To: Captain Kirk
Paul, Romney, Santorum, Bachmann, Perry, Cain, Christie

Run Sarah, Run. Please!

47 posted on 10/03/2011 11:01:05 AM PDT by McGruff (Vetting - The process of examination and evaluation of a candidate's record.)
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To: Captain Kirk

You either believe in the constitution or you don’t, cut and dried, when you take an oath to defend the constitution except for ? your on a very slippery slope.


48 posted on 10/03/2011 11:01:38 AM PDT by anchorclankor (From the main part of Missouri)
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To: Jeff Chandler

We have a government right now, that sees the tea party as the enemies. That saw WACO as enemies. Do you not see where this kind of thinking leads?

Let’s stick to the Constitution, shall we?


49 posted on 10/03/2011 11:01:46 AM PDT by justsaynomore (Cain 2012 - http://teamcain.hermancain.com)
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To: Captain Kirk
Cain forgets how many rocks we had to look under to find Awlaki.
50 posted on 10/03/2011 11:03:39 AM PDT by Wilderness Conservative
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