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Limbaugh: Herman Cain Piggybacks on WaPo's Perry Smear and Obama's Debate Lie
EIB ^ | October 3, 2011 | Rush Limbaugh

Posted on 10/03/2011 11:34:09 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

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RUSH: I'm gonna tell you, this is really disappointing to me. Herman Cain. I liked Herman Cain -- like Herman Cain. The Washington Post has it as a Macaca story about Rick Perry. Apparently back when Rick Perry was a Democrat... There's this woman at the Washington Post who's written a story that, with traditional journalism, wouldn't even pass the first review by an editor. But apparently back in the eighties when Perry was a Democrat, he and his dad would go hunting at someplace and there is a rock that had the N-word on it that somebody had painted over.

Somebody had painted over it. The Perrys didn't like it, and they turned the rock over so nobody could see it. I'm giving it a short CliffNotes version here. (interruption) When they what? (interruption) Yeah, when, they started leasing it themselves they painted it over, and then they turned the rock over. They didn't like the word -- the N-word something about this whole place, and now they're trying to write a story here that the Perrys loved going to the place because it did use the N-word. It's 180 degrees out of phase. They're trying to say that Perry's a racist, and Herman Cain has jumped in and basically joined that chorus -- and it is absurd. It's painted over and they tried to paint cover it up and then they eventually turned it over so people wouldn't see it.

I think Perry, back when this happened in the eighties, was a Democrat. It's fascinating. I told you last week last week, two weeks ago, that I had had a revelation. For 23 years I've been entertaining calls from frustrated members of this audience. "Rush, why don't the Republicans say X? Rush, why don't the Republicans do that? Rush, how come the Republicans always do this? Why don't they...?" I have always sat there and said, "Why are you asking me? I can't explain it. I don't know," but I finally came up with as good an explanation as there is out there, and that is: They still view the mainstream media as the primary group they have to convince that they are legitimate. They still think it's the mainstream media that they have to get their message out through, and this is evidence of what I mean.

So here you have the Washington Post with an unsupported nonstory, and here comes Herman Cain piggybacking on it trying to capitalize on it, essentially letting the mainstream media (in this case, the Washington Post) set the narrative. It's exactly what I mean. There's this... I don't know if you call it a fear or just a mistaken belief that the power in media still exclusively resides in the mainstream media, and it's those people that you have to get on your side; those people you have to use to get your message out, or what have you, and so that leads to pandering to them. Cain is doing it in this case. The Republican leadership in both the House and Senate are renowned for doing it throughout all of our lives. Even some Republican presidents have done so.

There are no on-the-record sources for this. Cain is out there saying that Perry's rock stuff was "insensitive." Perry and his dad tried to cover it up and Herman Cain is out there saying that Perry's insensitive. There are no on-the-record sources in the Washington Post for this story. You remember Macaca? They got George Allen out of the presidential race, senator from Virginia, by claiming that he uttered some racial epithet or insult. You know, he called some traveling Democrat troublemaker "Macaca." It's a good thing the rock didn't say "Hymietown." Yeah, or "white interloper."

Well, the Reverend Jackson has famously referred to New York City as "Hymietown," and Reverend Sharpton has been on the record berating "white interlopers" in Harlem. This is insulting to everybody's intelligence. It is part of the Democrat Party media template or playbook from 30/40 years ago. It's a stretch and it's a grasp. There is certainly no substance to it, and there was no reason for Herman Cain to try to piggyback this. Nobody, nobody on the record will say that they saw the word on the rock after 1983. Nobody will even say on the record that they saw it, and yet we've got this big story about it. I don't remember the Washington Post turning over any rocks when Obama was running for office.

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RUSH: The Washington Post will not even publish a photograph of the rock at Perry's hunting spot. They say it's a year-old photograph they claim to have seen; that even after being brushed clear of dirt, only the N and two G's were faintly visible. So why would the word have been more visible years ago when the paint was fresher? Where are these old photos? Why won't they post them? Wouldn't they help support the story the Washington Post is trying to do here? Is that why they couldn't be printed or are they just too inflammatory? Maybe the photographer is afraid for his life. This is such an obvious smear even by the Washington Post's standards. It's the worst kind of smear. This is McCarthyism, Charlie McCarthyism. It is an absolute joke. It's hilarious.

They interviewed, the Washington Post interviewed more than 24 people with their rock story, and not a one of them would go on the record to disagree with Rick Perry's timeline. The Post says they're "afraid for their lives." Anyway the whole thing is a setup. It's so obviously and patently absurd, and this is all they've got. This is all they've got to defend The One. They can't defend him. They can't defend his economy, they can't defend his policies, they can't defend him personally. Nope. They gotta run out and try to personally destroy Obama's potential opponents. We all knew this. It's just happening, and it's happening early and is an indication of the weakness of the Democrat Party and their State-Controlled Media position.

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RUSH: Now, want to go to this Republican debate September 22nd, Orlando. Here is the gay army soldier -- his name is Steven Hill -- asking former Senator Rick Santorum the big question.

HILL: In 2010 when I was deployed to Iraq I had to lie about who I was because I'm a gay soldier and I didn't want to lose my job. My question is: Under one of your presidencies, do you intend to circumvent the progress that's been made for gay and lesbian soldiers in the military?

MAN: Boo!

MAN: Boo!

RUSH: Okay, what is one or two boos? They're booing his question. If they were going to boo him, they would have booed him earlier when he identified himself as a "gay soldier." They were not booing a gay soldier. I know it sounded like two people. We don't know who these people are. We don't know anything about them. So, in addition to the Washington Post trying to make hay out of a nonexistent story involving a deteriorated rock at a hunting camp in Texas, now we're treated to them trying to keep something alive that happened at the Republican debate September 22nd. A gay shoulder gets up and asks a question that takes, oh, I don't know, 19 seconds, and there are a couple of people booing. Listen to this one more time and listen to this and see if you hear any boos when he identifies himself as a gay soldier.

HILL: In 2010 when I was deployed to Iraq I had to lie about who I was because I'm a gay soldier and I didn't want to lose my job. My question is...

RUSH: Stop tape! Stop tape! Stop tape! Any boos? Anybody heard any boos yet? No? No. He just identified himself as "a gay soldier," and there are a bunch of racist, sexist, bigoted homophobes supposedly in the audience, and not one boo when the soldier identifies himself as gay.

HILL: ... Under one of your presidencies, do you intend to circumvent the progress that's been made for gay and lesbian soldiers in the military?

MAN: Boo!

MAN: Boo!

RUSH: What is that, one or two people? One or two people. Now Herman Cain has joined this. Herman Cain is saying, "I should have defended that gay soldier booed during the GOP debate." So what is it about the lead that some people cannot handle? Cain ends up being launched into the top tier as a result of his performance in this debate and now his whole demeanor changes. He's gotta weigh in on all this stuff. He acts like he's reached the top tier, and now he has to act like what he thinks a top-tier candidate would do. That is really misreading this. Here's Matt DeLong, the Washington Post: "Obama Blasts Republican Candidates for Failing to Defend Gay Soldier --

"Speaking at an event hosted by a prominent gay advocacy group, President Obama on Saturday night chastised the his GOP presidential rivals for failing to speak up when some members of the audience at a debate last month booed a gay soldier." Okay, I read that, no comment. I'm gonna read it again with comment. "Speaking at an event hosted by a prominent gay advocacy group, President Obama on Saturday night chastised the his GOP presidential rivals for failing to speak up when some members of the audience at a debate last month booed a gay soldier." After 20 years of listening to the rantings of his Reverend Wright and failing to defend his country ...

WRIGHT (screaming): Barack knows what it means to be a black man living in a country and a culture that is controlled by rich white people! [snip] Hillary ain't never been called a nigger! [snip] Bill did us just like he did Monica Lewinsky!

CONGREGATION: (cheers)

WRIGHT: He was riiiiding dirty. [snip] In white America, US of KKKA: black men turning on black men. [snip] I am sick of Negroes who just do not get it. [snip] Not God bless America, God (bleep) America! It's in the Bible. For killing innocent people, God (bleep) America! [snip] (screaming) And now we are indignant because of stuff we have done overseas is now brought right back into our own front yards!

CONGREGATION: (cheers)

WRIGHT: America's chickensssss are coming home ... to roost!

RUSH: So Obama goes out and milks the gays for this boo at the Republican debate, and yet he sat in that man's pew for 20 years.

BREAK TRANSCRIPT RUSH: On the cutting edge of societal evolution, Rush Limbaugh, having more fun than a human being should be allowed to have.

Andrew Breitbart, BigGovernment.com, is reporting he's got new pictures, new photographs obtained exclusively by his website, BigGovernment.com revealing that Obama appeared with and marched with members of the New Black Panther Party as he campaigned for president in March of 2007. Now, fine and dandy. The president as a candidate can march with whoever he wants. He sits in Reverend Wright's church for 20 years while Wright is spouting utter vile hatred for this country. Obama said, (imitating Obama) "I didn't hear it. I was there, but I didn't hear it. Moochelle didn't hear it, kids didn't hear it, nobody heard it." Everybody's heard it except Obama.

So you have this event at the Republican debate, which has been totally misrepresented and is being lied about by the media. Two people in the audience were not booing a gay soldier; they were booing a question he asked. Obama knowingly lies about this, goes to a human rights group dinner on Saturday, which is a gay and lesbian organization, he milks them for all that they're worth, fundraising and this, that, and the other thing, and then perpetuates the lie. And yet here he is soaking up Reverend Wright's hatred for 20 years, marching with the New Black Panther Party in 2007, and somehow a couple of people at a Republican debate booing a question becomes all newsworthy. Of course it's all newsworthy because Obama right now is landslidable. Obama right now is in deep doo-doo in terms of his reelection chances. Internal White House polling is disastrous. If you know who to listen to and you know how to listen to what they say, top Democrats are even admitting this. Let's listen to a little bit more of Obama on Saturday night, the Human Rights Campaign dinner.

OBAMA: We don't believe in a small America. We don't believe in the kind of smallness that says it's okay for a stage full of political leaders, one of whom could end up being the president of the United States being silent when an American soldier is booed. We don't believe in that. We don't believe in standing silent when that happens. We don't believe in them be silent since. You want to be commander-in-chief, you can start by standing up for the men and women who wear the uniform of the United States, even when it's not politically convenient.

RUSH: Holy cow, this became the standard line. "Republicans believe in a small America," that became a standard line at that fundraiser stump speech. And if there is anybody who believes in a small America it's Obama. If there's anybody who is presiding over one it's Obama. Obama is happily presiding over an America in decline. But anyway, you see how this non-event at a Republican debate is being jacked up here into something that it wasn't. And I have to laugh, Obama, "Start by standing up for the men and women who wear the uniform of the United States"? Oh, you're the standard-bearer for that, Mr. President? You're the guy that stands up for the men and women in uniform? You and your Democrats, you love those people, right? You know, Obama wants a big tent. Pro-life Democrats are not even allowed to speak at their conventions. He wants a big tent? He's talking about all these people that must be involved, we've gotta accept all these different ways that people speak and different ways that they live and so forth. This is the most restricted bunch people, the Democrat Party, that purports to be something else I've ever seen. Here's the next bite.

OBAMA: We don't believe in a small America. We believe in a big America, a tolerant America, a just America, an equal America that values the service of every patriot. We believe an America where we're all in it together, and we see the good in one another, and we live up to a creed that is as old as our founding, E pluribus unum, out of many one, and that includes everybody. That's what we believe. That's what we're gonna be fighting for.

RUSH: Oh, listen to this. He finally comes filled with energy at this place. Again, this is at the Human Rights Campaign dinner. It's an association of gay, lesbians, and transgender people. It was in Washington, DC, on Saturday night. So big America, tolerant America, where pro-lifers are not allowed to speak at the Democrat National convention, an equal America? This is the party that considers conservatives and Tea Party members to pose a greater threat to them than terrorism and terrorists around the world. Where's Obama's tolerance of rich people? Where's Obama's tolerance of successful people? Where is Obama's tolerance of those who achieve great things? Where's Obama's tolerance of the Tea Party? Wasn't it Obama who described and defined for us the bitter clingers? Basically you, people that cling to your guns and your religion when people like Obama get power and start taking everything away from you. Yep. The tolerant Democrats. They are the ones.

Here's Herman Cain. This is yesterday on ABC's This Week with Christiane Amanpour. She interviewed Herman Cain. She played that sound bite that we've been playing for you this morning from the debate, and then she said, "In retrospect, Mr. Cain, would you have done something given the controversy that it's created here?"

CAIN: In retrospect, because of the controversy it has created and because of the different interpretations that it could of had, yes, that would have been appropriate. But at the moment it was not the focus of the people up there on that stage, I can assure you.

RUSH: Yeah, I woulda, shoulda defended the gay soldier. The gay soldier wasn't booed. Mr. Cain, why do you think nobody on stage came to the defense of the gay soldier? The gay soldier wasn't booed. The gay soldier wasn't attacked. The gay soldier was not put upon. That's why you didn't come to his defense. I guarantee you, Mr. Cain and the rest of the Republicans on that stage, if that audience had really attacked anybody who asked the question, knowing how well politicians pander, there would have been a race to defend the poor questioner, whoever it might have been who was attacked. But this guy wasn't attacked. He wasn't booed. His question was booed. And Obama tried to make hay out of this for his entire Saturday night appearance at the human rights dinner. Even Bret Baier, this is last Monday, Fox News radio Kilmeade & Friends, Brian Kilmeade has a got a radio show on the Fox network and spoke with the six o'clock TV show anchor Bret Baier who was a moderator at the debate where this supposed affront to the gay soldier took place. And here's what Bret Baier said about it.

BAIER: The audience was I think 5,500, maybe. A huge, huge audience, and the boos on that gay soldier, I would say there may have been two people, maybe three, out of 5,500. Now, it was loud, it was audible, it was a cavernous facility, the Orange County convention center, but it would be painting with a broad brush to say that this crowd booed the gay soldier.

RUSH: Yeah. They didn't boo the gay soldier. I still submit to you that had they booed the gay soldier, Herman Cain would have piped up and so would all the other candidates. He identified himself as a gay soldier and kept talking and there were no boos. They were just booing his question, pure and simple.

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RUSH: Okay. I don't want to belabor this, but I do want to make a point, and I'll tell you why. Back in the old days, before there was any New Media... You have to go back just to 1988. Well, Fox started in '96. Do you realize in 1988 when I started this program, I was it in terms of national conservative broadcast media? You had ABC, CBS, NBC, the two newspapers, the magazines, and CNN, and it was that way through the mid-nineties. Then other nationally syndicated radio shows began. Fox News launched in 1996. So for the most part first eight years of this program, I was it. I was what sacrificed as equal time -- and that's when this roller coaster, the seesaw began to switch. That's when their monopoly ended. Back in the old days...

If this were 1980 -- if this were 1993 -- folks, aside from this show, Obama would be getting away with making this country think that Republicans at a debate booed homosexuality. He would get away with it. He's not gonna get away with it this time. There is an entire alternative media that is gonna see to it that a majority of Americans understand exactly what happened. Now, whereas I say the Republican leadership and too many Republican candidates still think that the only way they can get their point across -- the only way they can get their point of view aired -- is through the mainstream media, Democrats are the same way, but for them it makes sense because they own the media. The Democrats in the media are the same thing, so they continue to use the mainstream media.

What they fail to realize or take into account is that it isn't a monopoly anymore, and it doesn't enable them to establish public opinion issue by issue by issue. Everything's a battle for them now in establishing public opinion, and they don't like it. That's why you get an AP story blaming me for congressional gridlock. That's why... Here, listen to this. Grab sound bite number seven. Yesterday, before Face the Nation, Bob Schieffer for some of the big markets will go on half an hour early on a local affiliate to promo what's coming on Face the Nation; and he did that for CBS 2 Eyeball News in New York yesterday. They had their Eyeball News TV show before Face the Nation. So Schieffer appeared on it with the anchor of that show, Don Daler (D-a-l-e-r) and Don Daler, talking to Schieffer to promote Face the Nation, said, "So, Chris Christie, got to be the talk of Washington this week, eh, Bob?"

SCHIEFFER: Rush Limbaugh has already started in on Chris Christie as maybe he -- he said, duhhh, early this week, um, you know, uh, I... I'm hearing a lot of John McCain in that, so that's what we're gonna be talking about, uh, this morning on Face the Nation.

RUSH: Yeah. Why are they talking about me? Because they no longer have a monopoly. They no longer have a monopoly. So here's Obama trying to make hay out of this. Let me ask you a couple questions here. Let's start a little brush fire in our own media: When citizens were called "racists" by the Congressional Black Caucasians, Obama was silent. Do you remember during their march to Washington and the Capital building during health care, Obamacare? Here's Pelosi carrying the giant gavel, she's the bottom John Louis marching next to her and they make up the story about being spat upon and the N-word being used? So the Congressional Black Caucasians were calling American citizens, Tea Party people, racists. Obama was silent! He didn't say anything. He didn't care. He didn't go to a Tea Party event and make a speech about how we all stop calling each other names and we all ought to get along and accept our differences.

When citizens were said to want to hang black people from a tree, that happened in the last couple of weeks, Obama was silent. Some member of the Congressional Black Caucasians said, "Yep, if the Tea Party had its way, they'd be hanging black people from trees." What did Obama say? He didn't say anything. He didn't go out to a Tea Party and make a speech trying to curry their favor and say, "I think it's unforgivable what people are saying about you." When James Hoffa Jr. referred to the Tea Party and other Republicans as "sons-of-bitches," not only was Obama not silent, he probably smiled because Hoffa got the line right -- 'cause Obama probably wrote it. How about Obama trying to make everybody think he cares about the military in the first place? Mr. President, if you and your party care so much about the military, will you promise to count their absentee ballots this coming election? Remember, in the Florida recount back in 2000 how they tried to disqualified absentee military ballots? Yeah.

I'll grab a call as I promised. Marilyn in Columbus, Indiana. Hi, and welcome to the EIB. It's great to have you on the program.

CALLER: Thank you! Thank you! Hi, Rush. Great to talk to you. I'm calling --

RUSH: Thanks very much.

CALLER: I'm calling about Herman Cain. I did see him on Chris Wallace, and he said, "If what you're saying is true, it's unfortunate," but he did not -- he did not go for it completely. He was just saying -- 'cause he hadn't had time to check it out. He said, "If what you're saying is true, it's unfortunate."

RUSH: All right, look, I... Okay. Grab audio sound bite number five. I may sound like I'm trying to pick on Herman Cain. I've actually got something larger in mind. But here's Herman Cain on This Week with Christiane Amanpour. "In retrospect, would you have done something, given the controversy? "

CAIN: In retrospect, because of the controversy it has created and because of the different interpretations that it could of had, yes, that would have been appropriate. But at the moment it was not the focus of the people up there on that stage, I can assure you.

RUSH: So he said, "Look, I'm not trying to nitpick here."

CALLER: No, that's about the gay soldier.

RUSH: That's about the gay soldier. That's right.

CALLER: Right. I'm calling about the remark about the N on the rock.

RUSH: Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Well, that wasn't specified up there. Still ! Still! Herman Cain has got to know it's BS. It's the Washington Post; it's a campaign. He's got to know it's BS. Intellectually, I mean. He's got to know that. But I think partially what's happening in that case, when you think you're in the top tier, it changes the way you act. "Yes, of course I will condemn that! I'm looking down on everyone else now, because I'm the top tier! Of course I would condemn that." It's just human nature, I suppose.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: gopprimary; hermancain; limbaugh; noaa; nofeminism; nopc; perry; racecard; racism; rush; rushlimbaugh
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1 posted on 10/03/2011 11:34:17 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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2 posted on 10/03/2011 11:36:24 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
I find this disappointing on Cain's part, and I'm even rooting for him. He fell in way too fast with the media narrative.

He missed a chance to take on the fatuous media and knock both the incidents out of the park. "I don't know all the facts about said rock and it's probably an overblown story attempting to play a spurious race card." "Who was booing the soldier? They were booing the STUPID QUESTION."

Opportunity blown. Somebody tell Herman he's being a PATSY.

3 posted on 10/03/2011 11:39:32 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; RoosterRedux; jonrick46; deepbluesea; RockinRight; TexMom7; potlatch; ...
Perry Ping....

IF you'd rather NOT be pinged FReepmail me.

IF you'd like to be added FReepmail me. Thanks.

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4 posted on 10/03/2011 11:40:36 AM PDT by shield ((Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Excerpt from Texas Tribune article...

“He doesn’t have a racist bone in his body,” said former Democratic state Rep. Ron Wilson, who is black and served with Perry in his early years in the Legislature. “He didn’t then, and he doesn’t now.”

Perry Critics Defend Him In Racist Camp Name Furor

5 posted on 10/03/2011 11:41:11 AM PDT by Tex-Con-Man
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To: shield
Did you see this on FR a few minutes ago?...Cain on Rock: ‘I Am Not Attacking Gov. Perry’

Still inadequate IMO.

6 posted on 10/03/2011 11:43:48 AM PDT by RoosterRedux
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Rush is right but it’ll make no difference to some. Waiting for the “Rush is a Perrybot, Rino, Republican insider” and I’ll never listen to him again comments.


7 posted on 10/03/2011 11:46:02 AM PDT by beandog (I am saddened by what I see)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

On the long run, Perry is going to prevail over Cain. It’s better to be considered heartless than be considered a bigot.


8 posted on 10/03/2011 11:47:18 AM PDT by Baladas ((ABBHO))
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Cain DEFENDED the audience on Amanpour, saying they were NOT booing the soldier but they were booing the repeal of the policy.

Rush did not play the part of the quote where Cain defended the audience.


9 posted on 10/03/2011 11:47:43 AM PDT by Meet the New Boss (The pain from Cain falls mainly on Hussein)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Let me get this straight. Over 30 years ago, Perry went hunting on some land that his Father leased, but didn't own, and somewhere on that property, someone unknown had previously painted a bad word for all to see on some rock.

That is a cataclismic revelation and certainly disqualifies Perry from becoming POTUS? I'm not a Perry fan, but this is certainly mind-boggling mega-BS obviously dug up be some guy who has to stand very, very close to the urinal.

10 posted on 10/03/2011 11:48:10 AM PDT by GoldenPup
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Hopefully Cain learned a lesson from this. I liked Cain and I still do. It does however point out his lack of experience, which has been one of my few problems with him. This should have been a no-brainer. It was an amateurish mistake and it backfired as it should have.


11 posted on 10/03/2011 11:48:17 AM PDT by ReaganBaby26 (Matthew 12:36)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Personally, I dismiss any and all stories founded on racism.
Enough is enough.
It's not like we have any shortage of real issues to read and discuss.

Only sub 70 IQs hang on to this dead horse.

12 posted on 10/03/2011 11:48:43 AM PDT by Publius6961 (My world was lovely, until it was taken over by parasites.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I have been studying this and taking what Cain said in context and have come to the conclusion that his response was a completely natural response based on the question asked him, and he was not purposely playing the race card, because he did say “IF what you’re saying is true”….
However he did fall for a clever media trap, and they got out of him exactly what they were hoping for, something that they could use against Perry, in a trumped up media blitz that was sure to follow. And also against Cain by making him appear to be using a race card, that will peel away many of his supporters.

There are a number of smart ways Cain could have responded, depending on how much, if any he even knew about the hunting club. A simple, “I’m not going to comment on that, I want to talk about what’s important” and left it at that, would have been appropriate. It would have not have killed the story however, the media was going to run with it at their own timing anyway, but it would have taken Cain’s name out of the story and we would not be talking about this now.

Falling prey to the media does not shake my support for Cain, no more than when Palin fell for Katie Couric’s trap. If it did, then all the candidates better cancel all media interviews from here on in, because their entrapment question awaits. What I will be doing though is watching how Cain handles this. Will he see that he has been duped and get himself out of it, or will he continue to make this an issue?

You know this will come up again at the next debate, both Cain and Perry better be waiting for it, and smartly with their answer make this a non issue, or better, turn it back on the back on the media, exposing them for the race baiters they are.


13 posted on 10/03/2011 11:49:48 AM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: Baladas

Except that Perry did not merely call the conservative base heartless, he also called them RACISTS (”don’t like the sound of their sound name”) for disagreeing with him on illegals.

Perry supporters accusing ANYONE of race-baiting is the height of hypocrisy.


14 posted on 10/03/2011 11:49:50 AM PDT by Meet the New Boss (The pain from Cain falls mainly on Hussein)
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To: Meet the New Boss

to fix my typo what Perry said of his critics is they “don’t like the sound of their last name” referring to the illegals


15 posted on 10/03/2011 11:51:24 AM PDT by Meet the New Boss (The pain from Cain falls mainly on Hussein)
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To: shield

I’m stilling pulling for Cain but he learned a HARD lesson. He shouldn’t have even commented, and if the story had any real legs it would have unfolded without him. He’s no Palin when it comes to working the media, but she has had a lot more trial by fire and experience.


16 posted on 10/03/2011 11:52:01 AM PDT by xenob
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To: GoldenPup

The dems in Texas every time Perry ran...came up against the same problem...no dirt out there on Perry...so now, which we knew and Perry knew, they’d start making stuff up.


17 posted on 10/03/2011 11:53:34 AM PDT by shield ((Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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To: RoosterRedux

Cain’s most recent words about the word on the rock are much worse than inadequate; they’re dishonest. He did, in fact, attack Governor Perry. He accused him of racial insensitivity without any basis for doing so. He knows full well how explosive that charge is when leveled at a white Southerner. What he did was despicable and he can’t sweep it under the rug by claiming that he didn’t do it.


18 posted on 10/03/2011 11:55:39 AM PDT by fluffdaddy (Who died and made the Supreme Court God?)
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To: ReaganBaby26

Cain’s only failing was taking the bait, and not properly handling this.

It shows a lack of experience in politics, but I’m not prepared to call him a race-baiter over this. I’d expect that a 65 year old black man, who LIVED DURING the civil rights movement, when told that a rival leased land that was called “n-word-head” would think it insensitive.


19 posted on 10/03/2011 11:56:42 AM PDT by RockinRight (If everyone wants to ride in the wagon, then who is pulling it?)
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To: ReaganBaby26

Cain was my #2 pick...when he lied about Perry regarding soft on border...he isn’t even on my list. So here we have this rock bs and the gay bs...so it’s more than the rock bs...he is laying out a clear path of being an establishment man. Endorsing Romney in ‘08 was the first hint of that track.


20 posted on 10/03/2011 11:58:02 AM PDT by shield ((Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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To: RoosterRedux
Cain backs off criticism of Perry ranch, denies playing 'race card'
21 posted on 10/03/2011 11:58:21 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: NavyCanDo

Yes. Well, apparently Perry must be ready for all the questions and hit the mark but Cain got a pass by the media and a lot of posters here on FR.


22 posted on 10/03/2011 12:01:55 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Meet the New Boss
Perry never said that, but he did imply it:

And the bottom line is it doesn’t make any difference what the sound of your last name is. That is the American way. No matter how you got into that state, from the standpoint of your parents brought you there or what have you. And that’s what we’ve done in the state of Texas. And I’m proud that we are having those individuals be contributing members of our society rather than telling them, you go be on the government dole.

23 posted on 10/03/2011 12:04:57 PM PDT by Baladas ((ABBHO))
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

To hell with Cain.


24 posted on 10/03/2011 12:05:48 PM PDT by Vision ("Did I not say to you that if you would believe, you would see the glory of God?" John 11:40)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Cain got a pass on FR?

You’re joking right? It’s been anti-Cain post one after the other for the last 24 hours.


25 posted on 10/03/2011 12:05:59 PM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I have figured out what has upset me so much about this episode. It’s not what Cain said, sometimes politicians open their mouths and garbage falls out. It’s the fact that when I heard about this I was sure when I got on FR, everybody around here would put aside their hatred, and support Perry in this.

What I saw actually surprised me. To be willing to label a man a racist simply to harm him and maybe advance your own candidate is just wrong.

Now, we have that idiot Michael Steele piling on.


26 posted on 10/03/2011 12:08:31 PM PDT by beandog (I am saddened by what I see)
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To: Meet the New Boss
Rush did not play the part of the quote where Cain defended the audience.

And what amazes me about that whole situation is the average person could count on one hand the number of people who booed that rather leading question. Of course, the "media" and their bosses at the DNC advance the distorted notion the whole crowd exploded into a chorus of boos.

27 posted on 10/03/2011 12:11:12 PM PDT by ScottinVA (With "successes" like the Libya adventure, who needs failure?)
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To: beandog
To be willing to label a man a racist simply to harm him and maybe advance your own candidate is just wrong.

How about labelling people as racist and heartless because they disagree with you on policy?

To me, this whole business of the rock and who painted over what when is of very small importance compared to the policy.

Years from now, this matter of the rock will be meaningless.

But a President Perry who legalizes tens of millions of illegals by dubbing them "guest workers" instead of deporting them will be remembered for the next century, as the person who put the final nail in the transformation of the USA from a republic of free people into another Latin American socialist state.

29 posted on 10/03/2011 12:14:21 PM PDT by Meet the New Boss (The pain from Cain falls mainly on Hussein)
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To: shield
he lied about Perry regarding soft on border

Perry IS soft on the border. That's no lie.

Perry opposes erecting a fence on the border, which is essential if his "boots on the ground" are going to be effective, he supports giving illegals tuition benefits, and he says he wants to legalize the illegals by dubbing them "guest workers."

You don't get any softer than that!

30 posted on 10/03/2011 12:17:36 PM PDT by Meet the New Boss (The pain from Cain falls mainly on Hussein)
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To: shield

Perry is a RINO! Illegal immigrant supporter....aren’t you? IF you’re not, according to PerryRino you are a heartless person....don’t forget the tuition credits you get only if you’re an illegal. PERRY OUT!


31 posted on 10/03/2011 12:17:46 PM PDT by Fawn (No TO PERRY!!!!!!!!!)
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To: Meet the New Boss

The matter of the rock is meaningless now. It is never right to label somebody a racist, when you know darn well they’re not.

Like I said, it’s not so much Cain’s response that bothered me, it’s Freepers responses that are bothering me. Some of us are turning out to be no better than them.


32 posted on 10/03/2011 12:18:48 PM PDT by beandog (I am saddened by what I see)
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To: NavyCanDo
Can you be any more annoying? Cain is the reactionary loser here.
33 posted on 10/03/2011 12:19:24 PM PDT by Vision ("Did I not say to you that if you would believe, you would see the glory of God?" John 11:40)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
My wife and I have often driven on I-68 over the years on our way to Virginia Beach and have passed a road sign marked Negro Mountain Elev. 2740 FT.

I know we should have followed Rick Perry's example and painted over that sign the first time we saw it. My apologies to Herman Cain and the Washington Post. /s


34 posted on 10/03/2011 12:19:24 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: beandog
And now that Cain has announced that he has accepted Perry's word on the "rock" and that he's done talking about it, all the pro-Cain supporters are attacking Perry.
35 posted on 10/03/2011 12:19:33 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I do not suport Perry, but on this I stand with him.... 100%.

Cain was wrong on this and he will pay dearly for his screwup. Cain was fed B/S by the media (enemy) and he SHOULD have spit it out, immediately.

However, we really do have far more important issues before us.


36 posted on 10/03/2011 12:21:43 PM PDT by Gator113 (Palin 2012, period.....)
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To: shield

Cain endorsed Romney? I didn’t know that. Romney used to be the guy attacked on FR. Now he gets a pass and everyone goes after the most conservative candidate in the race because of one issue which I’m sure he can be reasoned with. These are dangerous times. When it hits the fan I prefer a President who has military experience, is a strong supporter of gun rights and right to life. Those three issues top tuition for illegals in my book.


37 posted on 10/03/2011 12:24:28 PM PDT by jersey117
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To: Meet the New Boss
Perry IS soft on the border. That's no lie.

Not so.

Perry has spent hundreds of million of state dollars on border security-Texas Rangers. He wants boots on the ground, drones in the air and fencing in urban areas.

And he's asked the federal government to do their sworn duty to protect and defend the international border. Crickets.

Perry wants the border SEALED.

Perry does not believe in amnesty.

But then you knew all that.

38 posted on 10/03/2011 12:24:51 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: beandog

I like Rush, but eh is wrong on this issue. He says this is a made up story, but he neglects the fact that there actually WAS a rock with this painted on it. Rush is the one doing a disservice to the Conservative movement. He could have said...Cain said it, probably shouldn’t, walked it back, and it is time to move on. But, he keeps the story alive. Thanks Rush.


39 posted on 10/03/2011 12:25:12 PM PDT by chilepup
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To: ReaganBaby26

Now Michael Steele is disturbed too, and I sit back and wonder why every black man seems to think this posturing is effective in politics on the Republican side. Big ole sigh.


40 posted on 10/03/2011 12:25:38 PM PDT by commonguymd (Freedom is a myth anymore it seems)
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To: Fawn

Thank you! The knee pad Perry supporters are funny. I don’t think pointing out a word that has been offensive to a group of people for the whole history of them is a bad thing. NIGGERHEAD Is also offensive to me because it conjures up old wounds that we have been trying to heal. Unless of course the media set Cain up with a 30 year old story. Which I think they did. So the culprit as usual is the media. Lets keep our focus on them. IMHO


41 posted on 10/03/2011 12:29:48 PM PDT by crazydad
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To: Meet the New Boss
Your correct and I'm disappointed with Rush regarding that. He (or his staff) were really “selective” in the way they framed that issue. However with regard to the Perry/Camp issue; I think Cain stepped over the line during the CNN interview. IMO he handled it more appropriately during the Fox appearance but went over the top on CNN. It's not a disqualifier for me, but I sure hope its a lesson learned for Cain.
42 posted on 10/03/2011 12:30:58 PM PDT by 07Jack
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Perry has spent hundreds of million of state dollars on border security

The feds spent billions on a virtual fence that did nothing. Spending money means nothing if the actions taken do not lead to comprehensive enforcement, and a fence is a vital part of any such enforcement. That is what Perry and his supporters are unwilling to admit.

43 posted on 10/03/2011 12:30:58 PM PDT by dirtboy
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To: smoothsailing

Um Negro was not an offensive term, it was used for years and years. Might be offensive now but that was different then. Now NIGGERHEAD that is offensive.


44 posted on 10/03/2011 12:31:43 PM PDT by crazydad
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To: dirtboy
The feds spent billions on a virtual fence that did nothing. ............

Right. The FEDS did nothing. Perry will. Drones aren't a "virtual" fence (that's garbage speak for "whatever"). Perry wants the border SEALED. Then, and ONLY THEN, will anything else come to the table. And he said, no amnesty.

45 posted on 10/03/2011 12:36:44 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Mamzelle

I thought this was bad, but I don’t think it was intentional.

I like Cain’s ideas, but the problem is that he doesn’t have any political experience, and he was suckered right into this and now the press is gloating. I think he should go off and run for governor or senator or something - or maybe be a Cabinet member in the next GOP WH - but I think he needs to have a little more experience in handling these “gotcha” moments.

Also, he did support Romney, so maybe there’s more here than meets the eye.


47 posted on 10/03/2011 12:38:10 PM PDT by livius
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To: smoothsailing

You should have had the sign removed and refused to ever drive that road again. How could you be so insensitive?

In all fairness, there’s a place in Maryland called Scagsville. I have often laughed when driving by the sign. I now wish to apologize to all Scags, just in case I ever decide to run for office.


48 posted on 10/03/2011 12:40:45 PM PDT by beandog (I am saddened by what I see)
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To: chilepup

That’s the ticket, it’s all Rush’s fault. It’s not Rush’s fault that Cain let himself get played by the media. Hopefully, Cain will have learned from this experience and it won’t be repeated.

I don’t care about some stupid rock and peoples “feelings”.


49 posted on 10/03/2011 12:46:06 PM PDT by beandog (I am saddened by what I see)
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To: Meet the New Boss
instead of deporting them

Not one of the present or maybe candidates is going to round up and mass deport illegals. Not one.

President Ike Eishenhouse was the last to do so in 1953 in Operation Wetback. He deported a little over a million illegals.

In 2009, the United States deported a record 387,790 people – a 5 percent increase over 2008. The deportation rate is down slightly from 2009, but the number of removals is still likely to be more than triple what it was in 2001.

An increasing share of deportees are immigrants who have been convicted of a crime, reflecting President Obama's desire to reorient the deportation process toward targeting criminals. Through Aug. 2, 51 percent of the 294,230 people deported this fiscal year were convicted criminals.

President Obama's aunt and uncle were not among them.

50 posted on 10/03/2011 12:55:28 PM PDT by Texan
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