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Herman Cain Flip-Flopped on the Killing of Anwar al-Awlaki
The Atlantic ^ | 10-03-2011 | Chris Good

Posted on 10/03/2011 3:25:20 PM PDT by PerryBachmann2012

In early May, GOP presidential candidate Herman Cain said it would be illegal for the Obama administration to assassinate Anwar al-Awlaki, a U.S. citizen and suspected Yemeni terrorist known to be included on a "kill list" maintained by U.S. military and intelligence branches.

"In his case, no, because he's an American citizen," Cain said after a nationally televised presidential debate on May 5, when asked specifically about the Obama administration's targeting of al-Awlaki. "If he's an American citizen, which is the big difference, then he should be charged, and he should be arrested and brought to justice."

Several weeks later, in an interview with The Atlantic's Conor Friedersdorf, Cain said he hadn't heard of al-Awlaki or the administration's goal of killing a U.S. citizen. But Cain repeated that he opposed the idea: "I don't believe that the president of the United States should order the assassination of citizens of the United States. That's why we have our court system, and that's why we have our laws."

Yet after U.S. forces killed al-Awlaki on Friday in a joint drone and jet strike, Cain reportedly praised the assassination. Hot Air's Ed Morrissey reported on a panel discussion at a tea-party convention in Chicago on Sunday, where Cain appeared:

In a brief Q&A with our panel after his speech, Cain told the crowd that he fully supported Barack Obama's decision to strike Anwar al-Awlaki.

(Excerpt) Read more at theatlantic.com ...


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1 posted on 10/03/2011 3:25:25 PM PDT by PerryBachmann2012
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To: PerryBachmann2012

Nice try. Rick Perry called conservatives heartless.


2 posted on 10/03/2011 3:28:47 PM PDT by NautiNurse ("This Is Hermain Cain!" has moved up to #47in Amazon books. Release date: Oct 4)
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To: PerryBachmann2012

He was for it before he was against it. Wait...


3 posted on 10/03/2011 3:29:14 PM PDT by petercooper (2012 - Purge more RINO's.)
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To: PerryBachmann2012

If Cain would bother to do some cursory research, he would know that Awlaki returned to the U.S to study on SCHOLARSHIPS that were FORBIDDEN to AMERICAN CITIZENS.

Now what part of renouncing American Citizenship does Mr. Cain NOT understand.

Yeah he popped out on American Soil. But he was NOT an American Citizen. PERIOD.


4 posted on 10/03/2011 3:30:24 PM PDT by marty60
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To: marty60
It's about time for some sanity around here.


5 posted on 10/03/2011 3:33:56 PM PDT by Rudder (The Main Stream Media is Our Enemy---get used to it.)
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To: PerryBachmann2012

And I will tell the teaparty whatever they want to hear as I have no record to run on. And they will love me.

Oh wait, someone actually recorded my words?


6 posted on 10/03/2011 3:37:22 PM PDT by tirednvirginia
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To: Rudder

hell ya’ll,anybody can brush up on foreign affairs once in office, just like Obama, Bush II, Clinton and all the rest... it’s-—the-—e-con-o-my-—stu-pid... sheesh!


7 posted on 10/03/2011 3:38:37 PM PDT by dps.inspect (the system is rigged...)
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To: PerryBachmann2012

I am not up-to-speed on the facts on the ground here, but was AA specifically targeted or, having gone to Yemen, was he watched to a situation in which he could become collateral damage?

The man was pretty dumb for leaving the safety of the good ole U.S.A. in the first place.

But if, having comitted the first dumb act, he goes to Yemen or some other place in the active zone and associates with those who are on, e.g., High-Value Target lists, don’t be surprised if the SUV is taken out with everyone in it.

I’m not sure what Cain is saying is inconsistent here. Should we hunt down American citizens in downtown Philly and hit them with ricin umbrellas? No.

If an American citizen goes to a known terrorist haven, for purposes of engaging in terrorist operations, and he gets turned to cosmic dust with all the other goons sitting around the campfire in the desert, is that a problem? No.


8 posted on 10/03/2011 3:39:36 PM PDT by fightinJAG (Please stop posting "helpful hints" in parentheses the title box. Thank you.)
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To: PerryBachmann2012
Speaking of flip flops...Rick Perry was an active member of the Al Gore for President campaign team in Texas.

Since you mentioned flip flops...Rick Perry was for Gardasil for teenage girls before he was not so much for it.

9 posted on 10/03/2011 3:40:06 PM PDT by NautiNurse ("This Is Hermain Cain!" has moved up to #47in Amazon books. Release date: Oct 4)
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To: NautiNurse

Thread is not about Perry, but I can understand needing to talk about something else since there really is no good defense for Cain’s massive flip-flop here.


10 posted on 10/03/2011 3:46:43 PM PDT by PerryBachmann2012
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To: PerryBachmann2012
I understand any US leader, citizen, or anyone having qualms about summarily executing a US citizen on foreign soil. it can set a horrible precedent if not conucted within legal constraints.

Having said that, when there is irrefutable evidence indicating that the man is an enemy combatant (and in this case, a leader of those enemies) who is actively waging war against us, who himself admits it openly...and if that evidence has been presented and gone through a legal judicial processs where perhaps a grand jury is convened and a warrant to that effect has been signed by a sitting federal judge based on that evidence...then I have no problem with it for such an individual with such clear and compelling evidence and real and present threat.

Common sense dictates we must in fact take down such enemies.

In the old west, people like Billy the Kid were "shot on sight" as a result of just that type of judicial process. They knew who he was, they knew what he had done, he took credit for it, and it led to a shoot on site order which was conducted by law enforcement at the time. WANTED DEAD OR ALIVE.

This individual should have been...and apparently was...on just such a list.

11 posted on 10/03/2011 3:48:05 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Liberty is not free. Never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: PerryBachmann2012

As the flip flopping politicians bloody each other, Ron Paul (who stuck to his guns on this issue and many others) will be the last man standing. Love it.


12 posted on 10/03/2011 3:52:13 PM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: NautiNurse

No one is more heartless than Ron Paul.

I prefer to have Obamacare REPEALED which Perry will make his FIRST OFFICIAL Act on entering the Oval Office.

THAT act alone will help start the American economic ENGINE.

And for the record he said people that do not want children educated are heartless.

By the Perry haters rules. Children of Slaves would NOT be allowed to receive an Education. Oh wait a minute that was the DUMOCRAT position during Reconstruction.


13 posted on 10/03/2011 3:52:20 PM PDT by marty60
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To: NautiNurse

Watch them pile on Cain like they piled on Bachmann. They won’t stop until there is no conservative left in the race.

Cain has been meeting with experts in foreign policy since May, and it wouldn’t surprise me if he changed his mind on the matter, after having more details.


14 posted on 10/03/2011 3:57:50 PM PDT by justsaynomore (Cain 2012 - http://teamcain.hermancain.com)
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To: PerryBachmann2012

I support his flip-flop on this issue. He’s learning.


15 posted on 10/03/2011 4:03:51 PM PDT by ziravan (Are you better off now than you were 9.4 Trillion Dollars ago?)
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To: ziravan
"He’s learning." Yeah. but "learning" what? What's more politically convenient?
16 posted on 10/03/2011 4:11:16 PM PDT by PerryBachmann2012
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To: PerryBachmann2012

Bonnie and Clyde never faced a judge.


17 posted on 10/03/2011 4:11:52 PM PDT by depressed in 06 (I'll follow an eloquent Allen West out of hell.)
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To: ziravan

Learning? If Cain admitted that he flip flopped, I’m not aware of it. I suspect is that he’ll spin it by saying that he didn’t really change his mind at all.


18 posted on 10/03/2011 4:12:19 PM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: depressed in 06

B and C had shot down people in cold blood. Please provide evidence that this guy did the same.


19 posted on 10/03/2011 4:13:13 PM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: marty60

Please provide a source for your slander that Ron Paul doesn’t want children educated.


20 posted on 10/03/2011 4:14:43 PM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: PerryBachmann2012

Perry/Bachmann, eh? Interesting. The old Giuliani bandwagon won’t like it, but that’s irrelevant.


21 posted on 10/03/2011 4:15:51 PM PDT by familyop ("Don't worry, they'll row for a month before they figure out I'm fakin' it." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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To: PerryBachmann2012
I agree that Cain is done but Perry/Bachman aint winning no election either.

Bachmans husband lisps worse than Liberace and she is an effin IRS lawyer (translation=evil+immoral).

22 posted on 10/03/2011 4:16:41 PM PDT by Rome2000 (OBAMA IS A COMMUNIST CRYPTO-MUSLIM)
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To: Captain Kirk

Excuse me. I was referring to NautiNurse claim somehow Perry claimed all REPUBS are heartless.

did you notice the space between that and my discusion of EDU?
But since you asked:
For Rep Ron Paul (R-TX), education and medical care are not rights but rather “things that you have to earn.”

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/03/rep-ron-paul-education-is-not-a-right-video.php

The Dumocrats during Reconstruction didn’t want public edu either.


23 posted on 10/03/2011 4:23:04 PM PDT by marty60
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To: PerryBachmann2012

When there is a negative thread about a GOP candidate posted by a noob named PerryWhoever2012, it surely seems that Perry is fair game. Are you on Perry’s campaign payroll, or just a volunteer?


24 posted on 10/03/2011 4:25:52 PM PDT by NautiNurse ("This Is Hermain Cain!" has moved up to #47in Amazon books. Release date: Oct 4)
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To: Rome2000
I agree that Cain is done

You can agree on that all you want, but that only mean that the two of you are ignoring reality. Cain's popularity is surging. His growing popularity couldn't come at a better time as far as fund raising is concerned. Watch Hannity tonight.

25 posted on 10/03/2011 4:26:35 PM PDT by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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To: marty60

Anwar al-Awlaki was an American citizen and never renouced his citizenship. In order to lose his citizenship, it must be shown that the U.S. citizen joined the foreign military or swore allegiance to another state “with the intention of relinquishing United States nationality”. There’s no evidence that Awlaki ever formally renounced his U.S. citizenship.

That being said I’m glad he’s dead...


26 posted on 10/03/2011 4:27:39 PM PDT by maddog55 (OBAMA: Why stupid people shouldn't vote.)
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To: marty60

Have you seen the old video of Herman Cain pointing out the bad math and other errors of HillaryCare with Bubba Clinton? It’s a Clinton town hall meeting. Classic.


27 posted on 10/03/2011 4:30:19 PM PDT by NautiNurse ("This Is Hermain Cain!" has moved up to #47in Amazon books. Release date: Oct 4)
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To: PerryBachmann2012

His inexperience was showing. We don’t need another inexperienced person as president.

Myself I prefer Pizza Hut, but I wouldn’t vote for my pizza guy for president, neither should you.


28 posted on 10/03/2011 4:32:56 PM PDT by faucetman (Just the facts ma'am, just the facts)
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To: maddog55

You think Working to enable Murderers to fly plans into buildings killing thousands is showing ALLEGIANCE to the United States? REALLY?


29 posted on 10/03/2011 4:33:20 PM PDT by marty60
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To: PerryBachmann2012

The only Real difference that I can find btw McVeigh and Al Awlaki is that McVeigh killed more people. So what gave Obama the right to assassinate an American again?


30 posted on 10/03/2011 4:40:55 PM PDT by Crucial
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To: marty60

The post was based on your argument: You think getting returning to the U.S to study on SCHOLARSHIPS that were FORBIDDEN to AMERICAN CITIZENS means he renouced his citezenship?

What scholarships are FORBIDDEN to Americans?

You think Working to enable Murderers to fly plans into buildings killing thousands is showing ALLEGIANCE to the United States? REALLY?

Naw.. I never said that you did. I said I’m glad the guys dead and he never renouced his citizenship.

I could say the same thing about Obama when it comes to his ALLEGIANCE to the United States with what that ass is doing?


31 posted on 10/03/2011 4:41:50 PM PDT by maddog55 (OBAMA: Why stupid people shouldn't vote.)
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To: NautiNurse

I haven’t heard has he made it clear he will REPEAL OBAMACARE.

Not “rework” it as Romnuts claims.


32 posted on 10/03/2011 4:43:04 PM PDT by marty60
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To: Captain Kirk

Bones to Captain Kirk: “He’s dead, Jim”.


33 posted on 10/03/2011 4:50:18 PM PDT by neocon1984
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To: marty60

I’m glad he’s dead and I don’t care how it happened. I don’t consider him a citizen.


34 posted on 10/03/2011 4:51:02 PM PDT by beandog (I am saddened by what I see)
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To: marty60
There are a lot of things about Awlaki that almost no one knows ~ or cares about.

The Fifth Amendment itself clearly gives an exception to the CIC to direct the killing of enemy ~ even if they are citizens.

35 posted on 10/03/2011 5:00:41 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Crucial

The 5th Amendment gave the CIC the right to kill enemy.


36 posted on 10/03/2011 5:02:02 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: marty60
I haven’t heard has he made it clear he will REPEAL OBAMACARE.

There are none so blind as those who will not see.

On Cain's website, cleverly named HermanCain.com, buried in a secret tab labeled "Health Care" in BIG letters under the ingenious guise of "Issues":

Repeal and Replace Health Care “Deform”

President Obama and the liberals in Congress have dismantled the free market health care system and replaced it with health care “deform.” They have passed measures that compromise the sacred patient-doctor relationship, eliminate patient choice, stick a bureaucrat in the examining room, ration care and do nothing to limit frivolous lawsuits that drive up the cost of health care. In all of these provisions, they made health care more expensive and less accessible for American families they claimed to protect.

Under the guise of making health care a “right” for all people, President Obama and the liberals in Congress instead extended the tentacles of government, expanding their control and diminishing patients’ rights. They have also made it more difficult and more expensive for doctors to practice medicine, including specialized practitioners who are desperately needed to save lives. In reality, their attempts at reforming the system have actually deformed it.

The majority of Americans agree: it’s time to repeal and replace Obamacare with patient-centered, free market reforms. It’s time to institute legitimate tort reforms that let doctors practice medicine without fear of frivolous lawsuits. Loser pay laws would be a great start! That is, require those who lose frivolous lawsuits to pay the legal expenses of those found not guilty. Additionally, loosening the restrictions on Health Savings Accounts would help to empower Americans to save and invest their own money to expand their options for health care.

Let’s level the playing field under the current tax code and allow the deductibility of health insurance premiums regardless of whether they are purchased by the employer or the employee. That would help shift ownership of one’s health care back to where it belongs, the individual. Patient-centered free market health care reforms have already been developed and introduced in Congress, but they are stuck in committee and they can’t get out. With the right leadership we can get them out and get them passed.


37 posted on 10/03/2011 5:10:56 PM PDT by NautiNurse ("This Is Hermain Cain!" has moved up to #30 in Amazon books. Release date: Oct 4)
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To: NautiNurse

Wow, just the other day your tag said he was at 150. That’s a good sign! :)


38 posted on 10/03/2011 5:26:45 PM PDT by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: fireman15
Cain's popularity is surging.

Yeah, it is temporarily. Just like it was for Cain back in May. And then Trump. And then Bachmann. And then Perry. Then back to Cain. Then it will be Christie next. Because conservatives apparently get led around by the media to a new 'flavor of the week'.

as far as fund raising is concerned

Yep. Cain raised one whole million in ten days in the final ten days of September. That's 1/10th of what Romney raised in 24 hours once this year. Ron Paul has had three or four different days in 2011 where he raised over a million in 24 hours. A million in ten days...what a surge!

39 posted on 10/03/2011 6:00:20 PM PDT by PerryBachmann2012
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To: Captain Kirk

You mean, since he didn’t flip on DADT among other things?


40 posted on 10/03/2011 6:10:24 PM PDT by chilepup
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To: PerryBachmann2012
Because conservatives apparently get led around by the media to a new ‘flavor of the week’.

I understand the frustration you must be feeling in your attempt to sell a guy with a lot of liberal positions to a forum full of conservatives. But I am not sure that attacking conservatives with sarcasm is helpful to your goal of winning us over. Was it helpful when Gov. Perry said that conservatives who disagreed with his "dream plan" for illegal aliens had no heart? It was an arrogant thing to say just as many of your posts here have been.

I am watching Herman Cain on Hannity as I type. This is prime time coverage... it might as well be an infomercial. Campaign money isn't everything. Gov. Perry could spend a million dollars from his huge campaign war chest and it probably wouldn't be as helpful as this one episode is. Cain is simply a terrific speaker who connects with his audience. He just kicked his “book tour” off on the Hanity show.

41 posted on 10/03/2011 6:52:37 PM PDT by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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To: PerryBachmann2012
Because conservatives apparently get led around by the media to a new ‘flavor of the week’.

I understand the frustration you must be feeling in your attempt to sell a guy with a lot of liberal positions to a forum full of conservatives. But I am not sure that attacking conservatives with sarcasm is helpful to your goal of winning us over. Was it helpful when Gov. Perry said that conservatives who disagreed with his "dream plan" for illegal aliens had no heart? It was an arrogant thing to say just as many of your posts here have been.

I am watching Herman Cain on Hannity as I type. This is prime time coverage... it might as well be an infomercial. Campaign money isn't everything. Gov. Perry could spend a million dollars from his huge campaign war chest and it probably wouldn't be as helpful as this one episode is. Cain is simply a terrific speaker who connects with his audience. He just kicked his “book tour” off on the Hannity show.

42 posted on 10/03/2011 6:53:28 PM PDT by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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To: Netizen
Wow, just the other day your tag said he was at 150.

Movin' on up! Does this mean Cain is no longer the dark horse candidate?

43 posted on 10/03/2011 8:50:44 PM PDT by NautiNurse ("This Is Hermain Cain!" has moved up to #19 in Amazon books. Release date: Oct 4)
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To: NautiNurse

I think so. :)

Did you happen to watch Van Sustern tonight?


44 posted on 10/03/2011 9:34:54 PM PDT by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: Netizen

No—we’ve been wrapped in Tampa Bay sports tonight between Rays playoff baseball and Bucs Monday night football.


45 posted on 10/03/2011 9:39:08 PM PDT by NautiNurse ("This Is Hermain Cain!" has moved up to #19 in Amazon books. Release date: Oct 4)
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To: NautiNurse

REPLACE with WHAT?


46 posted on 10/04/2011 5:52:00 AM PDT by marty60
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To: marty60

Why do you shout when you can’t or won’t read the information provided to you? It makes you look foolish. I am glad you are in the Perry camp.


47 posted on 10/04/2011 6:04:33 AM PDT by NautiNurse ("This Is Hermain Cain!" has moved up to #8 in Amazon books. Release date: Oct 4)
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To: maddog55

True about Obama.

He lied on his Passport application. He was forbidden to get the $20,000in U.S. scholorship money. Sorry.


48 posted on 10/04/2011 6:05:14 AM PDT by marty60
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To: NautiNurse; PerryBachmann2012
To: PerryBachmann2012 .... Nice try. Rick Perry called conservatives heartless. ..... NautiNurse

1.) Texas is a very conservative state.

2.) The conservative Texas Legislature passed a certain bill by a margin of 98%. So, maybe there were many serious considerations other than merely just "me conservative Tarzan, you NOT conservative Jane".

3.) During constant attack on stage by non-Texans throwing Sound Bites to address complex Texas issues, Perry mentions the word "heartless".

4.) Some voters, like NautiNurse, got their tender feelings hurt.

5.) Some voters, like NautiNurse, think is it more important that she got her tender feeling hurt in the heat of a "30 Second Sound Bite Contest" than it is to kill a terrorist linked to the Fort Hood Massacre.

Who is Anwar al-Awlaki? Imam contacted by Fort Hood gunman Nidal Malik Hasan has long radical past

And that is the 1-2-3-4-5 Plan that made Mitt Romney the current leader in the GOP Polls.

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Herman Cain in 2011

Herman Cain said Wednesday that he would be unable to support Rick Perry for president if the Texas governor were to eventually win the party's nomination. .... The former businessman said, for instance, that he could support former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney....

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Herman Cain in 2008

HERMAN CAIN'S ENDORSEMENT OF MITT ROMNEY PUBLISHED IN THE ATLANTA JOURNAL CONSTITUTION PRIOR TO SUPER TUESDAY, 2008

49 posted on 10/04/2011 7:40:36 AM PDT by Polybius (Defeating Obama should be Priority Number One)
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To: Polybius

It is disturbing to witness the agonizing desperation of Perry supporters as their candidate drops in the polls. Remarkably similar to Fredheads exploding when Thompson’s campaign didn’t meet expectations in 2007/2008.


50 posted on 10/04/2011 7:49:00 AM PDT by NautiNurse ("This Is Hermain Cain!" has moved up to #8 in Amazon books. Release date: Oct 4)
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