Poll: Rick Perry loses the tea party

Politico ^ | 10-04-11 | Alexander Burns

[MNJohnnie]

The new Washington Post/ABC News poll confirms what the Florida straw poll showed last month: Rick Perry is bleeding support from activist conservatives.

In the national survey, Perry’s share of the GOP primary vote has fallen to 16 percent – a tie with Herman Cain and 9 points behind Mitt Romney, who draws support from a quarter of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents. Continue Reading

Ron Paul is in fourth place, with 11 percent, followed by Michele Bachmann and Newt Gingrich tied at 7 percent. Rick Santorum takes 2 percent and Jon Huntsman takes half that.

The apparent explanation for Perry’s decline is what you would expect: immigration and debates. Dan Balz and Jon Cohen:

Perry’s support for the Texas policy of providing in-state tuition to the children of illegal immigrants appears to be a significant problem in the GOP race. About two-thirds of Republicans and GOP-leaning independents say they are less likely to vote for a candidate who backs such a policy. Among tea party supporters, nearly eight in 10 say this position is a negative factor. …

In early September, Perry had a 3-to-1 advantage over any other candidate among those “strongly” backing the tea party, but his supported has plummeted from 45 percent to 10 percent in this group.

[MNJohnnie]

Go home Rick, you are NOT ready for prime time.

[Buckeye McFrog]

on the bright side I suppose there’s always a nice cushy job at Merck waiting for you...

[McGruff]

Perry’s support for the Texas policy of providing in-state tuition to the children of illegal immigrants appears to be a significant problem in the GOP race.

Bingo!

[luvbach1]

The Tea Party and Republicans are hungry for a winner against the Usurper. And Perry does not look like one.

[normy]

Governor of a state of 25 million with a 1200 mile international border and 40% of the job creation in the country over the last two years is prime time.

Oh wait, pandering, saying what you would do without ever having to have done it, and coming up with snarky comments is what substitutes for prime time now a days.

We'll see when the quarterly donations are announced who is ready for prime time.

[spacewarp]

On RealClearPolitics, they have it reported at Romney at 25, Cain and Perry at 17, not the 16 listed above and Gingrich tied with Paul at 9 and Bachman at 7 and Santorum at 2 and Huttsman at 1.

Maybe I’m missing something.

[Perdogg]

Now we are letting Politico pick our candidates.

[luvbach1]

By the way, I like Perry and would gladly vote for him if he could beat “the one.”

[TexasCajun]

Pretty Boy Perry seems to not understand how fed up a majority of Americans are with illegal immigrants!

Not that I wouldn't vote for him over Obamah, just saying.

[MNJohnnie]

Live by the poll, die by the poll.

When Perry was way up all of you Perry supporters were insisting "We had to back Perry because all the polls show only he can beat 0".

Don't complain now that the Perry camp's own tactics of poll watching have come back and bit you candidate.

[normy]

By the way there is a great new article in the Houston Chronicle on how Perry defended the Confederate flag on state grounds when the NAACP tried to have them removed. Perry as Lt.Governor said we should never forget our history.

Join in with the left and the Romney folks in trashing that too.

[Diogenesis]

ABC must have the finest faux polls which Romney can buy.

CONSERVATIVES WILL NOT VOTE FOR ROMNEY.

CONSERVATIVES WILL NEVER VOTE FOR ROMNEY. NEVER.

[normy]

Great! Tell me about your candidates plan to secure the border and deport the 12 million illegals and build the 2000 mile fence.

[ilovesarah2012]

I’m more concerned about his love for muzzies. Deal-killer for me.

[jersey117]

Cain and Perry are tied. If people would stop giving Romney a pass, maybe he wouldn’t be in the lead. Perry is way more conservative than Romney.

[Night Hides Not]

Like you, I've been a naturalized Texan for over 30 years. I'm not a big fan of Perry, but the "Pile On Perry" campaign is growing tiresome.

Solyndra, Fast & Furious, a bear market, 9+% unemployment...you mean to tell me these are less important than a sign that was painted over 30 years ago?

You mean to tell me that NOBODY knew about this until last week? How come KBH or Lanier didn't bring this up in their campaigns against Perry?

[100American]

Use your brains not emotions, consider the source of the poll and their reasoning

Wash Post poll and you are all of a sudden accepting the results as gospel? Tells me they are scared to death of him

Romney Bots beware the Zotz of Jim Robinson, you have been warned. He is NOT a fan, neither is he one of Ron PAul

Choose your poison wisely

[Daveinyork]

Something about him bothered me, but, since I couldn’t put my finger on it, I gave him the benefit of the doubt. But when he tried to justify taxpayer subsidies for illegal aliens’ college education, he lost me.

[TexasCajun]

Great!

Let's just have open borders! ...Taxpayers funded services for everyone!! Woo-Hoo!

Sounds like you'd be just fine with that?

[MNJohnnie]

This is why you Perry supporters are in such trouble. Just like the Progressive Left, you spend all your time posting hysteric bile laced personal attacks at anyone who does not share your mindless cult of personality worship for your candidate.

When Conservative see people, supposedly on our side, engaging these Leftist style political tactics, we have to wonder just what you all are trying to hide.

Instead of blaming everyone else for you candidate's self destructive behavior, take a good hard look at Perry's fundamental incompetence as a campaigner.

Face it, Perry simply is not ready for the big time.

[no dems]

Go home Rick, you are NOT ready for prime time.
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Could not have said it better myself. (Johnnie: You and I need to get ready to be beaten up by the PERRYwinkles over our comments.)

[ilovesarah2012]

Wow: Cain ties Perry for 2nd in new WaPo/ABC poll

October 4, 2011

http://hotair.com/archives/2011/10/04/wow-cain-ties-perry-for-2nd-in-new-wapoabc-poll/

[normy]

Tell me about your candidate and why I should back them. Obviously Perry is toast. Who is your candidate. It would be nice to see the Perry trashers on FR support their candidate and give us a reason to vote for them. What is your candidates platform on the border?

[PaleoBob]

Perry is the reason that Romney is now virtually inevitable. He isn’t Fred Thompson but he DOES play him on TV.

Ugh.

[DTxAg]

MNJohnnie, these are normy's comments in this thread:

Governor of a state of 25 million with a 1200 mile international border and 40% of the job creation in the country over the last two years is prime time.

Oh wait, pandering, saying what you would do without ever having to have done it, and coming up with snarky comments is what substitutes for prime time now a days.

We'll see when the quarterly donations are announced who is ready for prime time.

By the way there is a great new article in the Houston Chronicle on how Perry defended the Confederate flag on state grounds when the NAACP tried to have them removed. Perry as Lt.Governor said we should never forget our history.

Join in with the left and the Romney folks in trashing that too.

Great! Tell me about your candidates plan to secure the border and deport the 12 million illegals and build the 2000 mile fence.

So exactly which one of these comments is "hysteric bile laced personal attacks" just like the Progressive left engages in?

[normy]

Bile? Who is your candidate and why should I support them and what is their position on the border policy of the USA?

[Eye of Unk]

The Perryknishas are wandering around in a daze mumbling, Why, oh why!

[Godebert]

"By the way there is a great new article in the Houston Chronicle on how Perry defended the Confederate flag on state grounds when the NAACP tried to have them removed. Perry as Lt.Governor said we should never forget our history. Join in with the left and the Romney folks in trashing that too. "

That's great that Perry defended the Confederate battle flag. It won't be enough to overcome his La Raza problem however.

I'll never forget Romney's trashing of the Confederate battle flag during the YouTube debate in the primary four years ago. I would NOT vote for Romney or Perry under any circumstance.

I would also NOT vote for ANY GOP ticket that includes Marco Rubio on the ticket.

MARCO RUBIO IS NOT A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN.

[no dems]

We'll see when the quarterly donations are announced who is ready for prime time.
OH S**T! So, it's come down to this; the candidate who has prostituted himself, during 22 years of being a professional politician, and has a little black book with the names of all his "political Johns" that keep coming back to be serviced, is the one for the job. GOD HELP US!!!

[TexasCajun]

No, YOU tell me your candidates position on the border and illegal immigration. ..what is Ron Paul's position?

I'd like to see Texas with an Arizona or Alabama bill that allows the state to do the Fed's job.

Perry is toast, huh? ...who told you that, the MSM?

[not2worry]

I don't know about anyone else, but I was really enthused when Perry got into the race. Rush had spoken so highly of him and I just thought, WOW now we have just the guy.

Then his performance on the first debate was dull.

The next debates were even worse. I hated getting off point with both him and Romney seeing who could mud wrestle the best.

Then the heartless labeling of Americans who are against tax payers supporting illegal’s education.

Once I found out he supported and campaigned for Al Gore that was the point of no return for me to the Perry Camp.

[GeronL]

Perry’s support for the Texas policy of providing in-state tuition to the children of illegal immigrants appears to be a significant problem in the GOP race

ACtually I think t was his expressed hatred for those who didn't like it

[normy]

So it's Palin or nothing huh? So where does she fit in? Cain at 17 Perry at 17 and Romney at 28?

better get to destroying Herman Cain if Palin is gonna get any traction.

[freeangel]

“And Perry does not look like one.”

And Romney does? How does the title of Tea party support jive with that?

[normy]

I am a Perry supporter. Check my post. Maybe I overreacted to your illegal immigrant comment. Lot's of bombs going off.

The gist is that everyone is trashing Perry without giving an honest assessment of who their candidate is why they are better. It isn't happening.

[no dems]

Watching him in the Debates was downright painful for me. I was embarrassed for the guy.

[kabar]

Perry never had the Tea Party.

[gogogodzilla]

Care to illuminate those in the dark as to which Republican candidate *IS* strong on immigration?

It is the burning question that is determining support for the Presidential nomination.

[Godebert]

So it's Palin or nothing huh?"

I never said that. I'm leaning for Cain or Bachmann but not ruling out a third party Conservative. Time will tell.

[ilovesarah2012]

Why are you telling me to use my brains? No one polled me. I was all for Perry til I found out how he panders to muslims. I am now hoping Cain is the nominee. Sarah apparently isn’t running so I’ve given up on her. Christie is just another northeast RINO and I’m not interested. He’s fine for NJ but not America. I hope Cain can keep his momentum going.

[kabar]

Exactly. Perry dismissed those who disagree with his in-state tuition for illegal aliens as lacking a heart and disliking people with different sounding last names. This sounded like the Bush, Rove, McCain, Graham slander that those against amnesty were bigots, racists, and nativists.

In an August 2011 Rasmussen poll, 81% of the voters were against in-state tuition for illegals. Is it any wonder that Perry's position is not playing well in the polls?

[Crichton]

Perry’s support for the Texas policy of providing in-state tuition to the children of illegal immigrants appears to be a significant problem in the GOP race.

I heartily disagree.

99% of voters will accept some disagreement with a candidate on the issues, even a significant policy disagreement.

But they will be very reluctant to support a candidate who launches an insulting personal attack against them for that disagreement, which is what Perry did with his "you don't have a heart" comment.

Mind-blowing stupidity.

[kabar]

Here is NumbersUSA's grading of the presidential candidates, including Obama. You can click on each candidate and get a detailed analysis of their positions on immigration issues.

[TexasCajun]

I believe our Texas Rino is far better than the Rino from Massachusetts. I like Cain, but don't think the Pizza Guy is ready for prime time.

Until someone else officially announces his/her candidacy, Conservatives will have to accept the best of what is offered and go from there.

In short, any Republican over Obamah or whoever they choose.

We're on the same team.

[Mind-numbed Robot]

This poll may very well reflect the facts but I am cautious about any poll from the WoPo and ABC. They want Romney to win and then they can point to how little difference there is between Romney and Obama as they grease the skids for Obama again.

[MortMan]

Rick’s problem regarding in-state tuition is his method of defending it. He did not offer a rational explanation of his position, but rather attacked (personally) anyone who disagreed with him.

When the candidate leads with a liberal tactic to silence opposition, one whouls expect that conservatives will fail to support the candidate.

[no dems]

It would be nice to see the Perry trashers on FR support their candidate and give us a reason to vote for them.
Thank you for this opportunity:
Herman Cain
1. He is not politically correct.
2. He could mop the floor w/Obama in Debates, not embarass himself like someone else we all know.
3. He HAS A FRIGGIN' PLAN for the Economy; the "9-9-9 Plan".
4. His Economic Plan is understandable to the average person.
5. He has created jobs in the Private Sector.
6. He is not a career politician, like someone else we all know.
7. He, being Black, says he can get 30% of Zero's Black vote; and I believe him. Blacks who are dicontent with Zero can vote for Cain w/o feeling guilty about not voting for a "brotha". That alone would sink Zero's reelection chances.
8. He admits he does not know everything but he will learn and surround himself with intelligent people, not cronies.
9. He owes no political favors.
10. He is intelligent, likeable and personable.

[MrB]

To your 1),

his appeal is that he can actually, genuinely state what he believes, why he believes it, and sincerely say that if he can’t convince you he’s right, then don’t vote for him.

Leftists cannot achieve this level of candor, because their core beliefs are abhorrent to decent people.

[no dems]

Conservatives will have to accept the best of what is offered and go from there.
Can you say: "Herman Cain for President"? (BTW, love your tagline.)

[TexasCajun]

I do like Cain but do you think the Pizza Guy is ready for prime time?

Cain has the business experience I like but I don't think he has the political experience.

I need to find out when the Texas primary is, it's a long, long way off.