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House Republicans to Request Special Counsel to Probe Holder on 'Fast and Furious'
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Posted on 10/04/2011 9:49:20 AM PDT by sunmars

EXCLUSIVE: House Republicans are going to call for a special counsel to determine whether Attorney General Holder perjured himself during his testimony to the House Judiciary Committee on Operation Fast and Furious, Fox News has learned.

House Judiciary Committee Chairman Lamar Smith, R-Texas, is sending a letter to President Obama arguing that Holder cannot investigate himself and will request a probe by a special counsel.

The question is whether Holder committed perjury during a Judiciary Committee hearing in May. At the time, Holder indicated he was not familiar with with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives program known as Fast and Furious.

However, a newly discovered memo dated July 2010 shows Michael Walther, director of the National Drug Intelligence Center, told Holder that straw buyers in the Fast and Furious operation "are responsible for the purchase of 1,500 firearms that were then supplied to the Mexican drug trafficking cartels."

In response to the Monday release of that and other documents, the Justice Department said Holder was confused by the question, and that he was answering about when he first learned of the "troubling tactics" of the program, not the name of it.

But House Oversight and Government Reform Committee Chairman Darrell Issa, R-Calif., told Fox News on Tuesday morning that Holder saying he didn't understand the question rather than he didn't know of the program is not a successful defense to perjury.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/10/04/house-republicans-to-request-special-counsel-to-probe-holder-on-fast-and/#ixzz1ZpfAxeQ7

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About time really.
1 posted on 10/04/2011 9:49:27 AM PDT by sunmars
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To: sunmars

sit back and watch the heads explode, popcorn anyone?


2 posted on 10/04/2011 9:50:56 AM PDT by sunmars
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To: sunmars

Here we go...


3 posted on 10/04/2011 9:51:21 AM PDT by bcsco (A vote for Cain will cure the Pain!)
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To: sunmars

Finally!


4 posted on 10/04/2011 9:51:37 AM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear
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To: vette6387; MetaThought; 60Gunner; XHogPilot; FreedomPoster; Josephat; Prince of Space; ...
Faster and Furiouser Ping.


5 posted on 10/04/2011 9:51:56 AM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: MestaMachine

Beat ya to it... :)


6 posted on 10/04/2011 9:53:11 AM PDT by bcsco (A vote for Cain will cure the Pain!)
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To: sunmars
House Republicans are going to call for a special counsel to determine whether Attorney General Holder perjured himself during his testimony to the House Judiciary Committee on Operation Fast and Furious

That's a pretty limited mandate.

Who's investigating the whole enchilada?

7 posted on 10/04/2011 9:53:16 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: sunmars

8 posted on 10/04/2011 9:53:39 AM PDT by Doogle ((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear

can’t believe they are trying the spin of “confused”, seriously, the AG is confued or “doesnt read all his briefs”, that alone is grounds for sacking in my books.


9 posted on 10/04/2011 9:53:51 AM PDT by sunmars
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To: sunmars

Yes! Contact Mr. Issa and thank him for the work he’s done so far, and offer encouragement to stay the course.


10 posted on 10/04/2011 9:54:00 AM PDT by cblue55 (It's either America, or Obama. It cannot be both!)
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To: sunmars

(*Cue ‘Imperial March’ background music here*)


11 posted on 10/04/2011 9:54:30 AM PDT by The KG9 Kid
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To: sunmars
Wouldn't Holder have to approve of this operation from the beginning, since he is the attorney general that has authority over the government legal matters? And since he knows about the operation, wouldn't he have to get obamma’s approval, since he reports to obamma? So obamma would have known about it from the beginning?

Are they going to say this was a rogue matter, outside of their oversight?

12 posted on 10/04/2011 9:54:51 AM PDT by rawhide
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To: dead

ahh but it gets the ball rolling doesnt it, then they can call for other stuff, its basically putting Obama and holder on the block, if Obama refuses a SP.


13 posted on 10/04/2011 9:54:58 AM PDT by sunmars
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To: sunmars

Holder should ask Scooter Libby how that “confused” defense worked out.


14 posted on 10/04/2011 9:55:14 AM PDT by rhc2000
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To: sunmars

Holder should ask Scooter Libby how that “confused” defense worked out.


15 posted on 10/04/2011 9:55:32 AM PDT by rhc2000
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To: sunmars

Holder should ask Scooter Libby how that “confused” defense worked out.


16 posted on 10/04/2011 9:55:36 AM PDT by rhc2000
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To: bcsco

I am TRYING to make lasagna...and getting nowhere fast.


17 posted on 10/04/2011 9:55:58 AM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: sunmars
Finally.

Borrow some spine, if you have to, GOP.

18 posted on 10/04/2011 9:56:19 AM PDT by Jane Long (Soli Deo Gloria!)
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To: sunmars
Wow. The gigs up.

Of course, you won't hear a WORD of this in the press, but guess what?

It doesn't matter. Holder's still going to be removed.

19 posted on 10/04/2011 9:57:24 AM PDT by Lazamataz ("Lazamataz" is a four-letter word.)
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To: sunmars

It should happen but I’ll believe it when I see it.


20 posted on 10/04/2011 9:58:00 AM PDT by mk2000
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To: sunmars

Nope. Pharaoh do not respond to demands from mere congress people.


21 posted on 10/04/2011 9:58:14 AM PDT by ichabod1 (Nuts; A house divided against itself cannot stand.)
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To: MestaMachine

Then I won’t bother you. Ignore the fact that I just did... :)


22 posted on 10/04/2011 9:58:14 AM PDT by bcsco (A vote for Cain will cure the Pain!)
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To: sunmars

and the fat lady has indeed taken the stage....she has opened her mouth, and the singing is about to begin....holder, napolitano, clinton, and finally fubo himself...........the commies are going away...now, if we can just get the house judiciary committee to start impeaching judges, we could wipe out almost the entire commie nest


23 posted on 10/04/2011 9:58:29 AM PDT by joe fonebone (Project Gunwalker, this will make watergate look like the warm up band......)
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To: sunmars

Getting sacked should be the least of Holder’s worries.


24 posted on 10/04/2011 9:58:31 AM PDT by tgusa (Gun control: deep breath, sight alignment, squeeze the trigger......)
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To: sunmars

Good news. I would love to see Holder completely destroyed. Same with Obama.


25 posted on 10/04/2011 9:59:12 AM PDT by Gator113 (Palin 2012, period.....)
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To: dead
Once the special counsel gets appointed they can investigate anything they want.
26 posted on 10/04/2011 9:59:12 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: sunmars

House Judiciary Committee Chairman Lamar Smith, R-Texas, is sending a letter to President Obama arguing that Holder cannot investigate himself and will request a probe by a special counsel
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And what happens should Ovomit deny this request for special council ?
Can the House Judiciary Committee go ahead anyway even tho pukeface denies it ?


27 posted on 10/04/2011 9:59:29 AM PDT by simplesimon (Thomas Paine is weeping. Common sense is gone.)
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To: sunmars
saying he didn't understand the question rather than he didn't know of the program is not a successful defense to perjury.

Exactly right. If Holder was confused, he could have asked for clarification-rephrasing. Holder, of all people, should know better than to definitively answer a question he did not understand.

28 posted on 10/04/2011 9:59:29 AM PDT by randita (Obama - chains you can bereave in.)
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To: joe fonebone

You need to add some establishment republicans to your list as well. The Republican party has quite a bit of fault to share as well.


29 posted on 10/04/2011 10:00:14 AM PDT by Michael Barnes (Obamaa+ Downgrade)
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To: dead

I am sure that Obama will try to nominate a pet investigator but they tend to get off the leash. Prosecutors love to prosecute and their power and influence grows as they dig deeper and expand the investigation beyond the original scope. I still think that Holder should be held in Contempt of Congress and put in jail for lying to Congress (the house can do this on its own). That way he will be in jail and have a harder time impeding the prosecutor.


30 posted on 10/04/2011 10:00:23 AM PDT by WMarshal (Where is the next Sam Adams? Getting madder every day)
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To: rhc2000

How did it work out for Sandy Bergler?


31 posted on 10/04/2011 10:00:30 AM PDT by ichabod1 (Nuts; A house divided against itself cannot stand.)
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To: bcsco

Here we go where?

Issa has announced umpteen “investigations” thus far, but what has happened? Nothing.

I hope this is different. Eric Holder deserves to be in the crossbar hotel, but I’m not convinced any Republican has the balls to see that he’s held accountable and charged with anything.


32 posted on 10/04/2011 10:00:45 AM PDT by bigbob
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To: Lazamataz; All

Who approves the hiring of a special prosecutor?

Will Commodore Zero say this is squandering taxpayer dollars?


33 posted on 10/04/2011 10:00:45 AM PDT by atc23 (The Confederacy was the single greatest conservative resistance to federal authority ever.)
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To: sunmars

If Holder didn’t understand the question, did he ask for clarification?


34 posted on 10/04/2011 10:00:59 AM PDT by Fresh Wind ('People have got to know whether or not their President is a crook.' Richard M. Nixon)
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To: sunmars

“Committee Chairman Lamar Smith, R-Texas, is sending a letter to President Obama arguing that Holder cannot investigate himself and will request a probe by a special counsel.”

Lamar Smith must still think Obama an ethical and principled human being.
Obama will look at the letter then pass it to
the rest of his politburo for the days laugh. It’s going to
take a party with a spine. Republicans just don’t have one
right now. Baynerd is proof of that.


35 posted on 10/04/2011 10:01:17 AM PDT by Slambat (The right to keep and bear arms. Anything one man can carry, drive or pull.)
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To: dead
Who's investigating the whole enchilada?

After the wonderful job she did on the 9/11 cOmmission, my guess would be Jamie Gorelick.

36 posted on 10/04/2011 10:01:17 AM PDT by Roccus (Obama & Holder LLP, Procurers of fine arms to the most discerning drug lords (202) 456-1414)
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To: simplesimon

Obama is on sticky wicket now really, refusing an SP would seriously look guilty and ratchet it up. Knowing Obama, Holder is going to be shafted and quickly.


37 posted on 10/04/2011 10:01:39 AM PDT by sunmars
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To: joe fonebone

Slow down. That’s a lotta chickens you’re counting as hatched.

Let’s see where things stand in, oh say, April.


38 posted on 10/04/2011 10:02:17 AM PDT by workerbee (We're not scared, Maobama -- we're pissed off!)
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To: sunmars

Isn’t this just about where we could start counting down the beginning of the end for Richard Nixon and Watergate?

The parallels are astonishing. Except that in the instance of Watergate, nobody died as a direct result of the operation gone wrong.


39 posted on 10/04/2011 10:02:17 AM PDT by alloysteel (Are Democrats truly "better angels"? They are lousy stewards for America.)
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To: Lazamataz

That would be a tremendous boon to this nation, second only to the removal of the tyrant his own self.

I always remember that Clinton’s press did a pretty good job of covering up interngate until that pesky blue dress showed up.


40 posted on 10/04/2011 10:02:31 AM PDT by ichabod1 (Nuts; A house divided against itself cannot stand.)
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To: sunmars
...watch the heads explode...

I prefer beheadings...

41 posted on 10/04/2011 10:02:55 AM PDT by moovova (Report my sarcastic, fear-mongering lies to www.AttackWatch.com by clicking HERE.)
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To: dead

Exactly. How about a special prosecutor for the whole F & F gunwalker thing? Including who in the WH knew and/or was directing/authorizing criminal activities.


42 posted on 10/04/2011 10:04:04 AM PDT by rod1
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To: bigbob

This expands it beyond the House/Senate investigations. Regardless how the administration plays it, the request is there and political capital can be made either way. Also, the MSM has somewhat expanded their coverage. It’s not going away, that’s for sure, and this helps.


43 posted on 10/04/2011 10:04:04 AM PDT by bcsco (A vote for Cain will cure the Pain!)
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To: sunmars

A “Special Councel”?

Is that anything like a Special Prosecutor? If so - then Bring It On!

We need a 2012 version of Ken Starr. Yes we do.


44 posted on 10/04/2011 10:04:21 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS! This means liberals AND libertarians (same thing) NO LIBS!)
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To: sunmars

A crack in the dam is beginning to now trickle water. Expect the shifting of the mass structure to yield other cracks and leaks.

The Obama Regime is at the cusp of having their mass corruption and crimes against America exposed. And he’ll be taking the dems right down with him.


45 posted on 10/04/2011 10:04:53 AM PDT by Hotlanta Mike (TeaNami)
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To: MestaMachine

Who gets to pick the special counsel, and is that the same thing as a special prosecutor?


46 posted on 10/04/2011 10:04:58 AM PDT by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell.)
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To: sunmars

Remember that White House Insider series by Ulsterman? In it, the WHI said they were going to go after Holder to try to take him down because he’s the firewall keeping Obama safe.

Interesting how things are being leaked that lead to Holder.

(BTW, do not go to newsflavor.com. I got the FakeAlert trojan from there yesterday and it was a bear to clean.)


47 posted on 10/04/2011 10:05:23 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Man is not free unless government is limited. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: simplesimon

I don’t like special prosecutors. Congress should just do its job and impeach him. They can have it done within two months.

Asking for a special prosecutor is the coward’s way out.


48 posted on 10/04/2011 10:06:21 AM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: BuckeyeTexan

He’s not there anymore.


49 posted on 10/04/2011 10:07:14 AM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear
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To: sunmars
the Justice Department said Holder was confused by the question

I don't recall works a lot better than I'm confused. Lessons from Bill and Hill.

50 posted on 10/04/2011 10:08:13 AM PDT by drypowder
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