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House Republicans to Request Special Counsel to Probe Holder on 'Fast and Furious'
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Posted on 10/04/2011 9:49:20 AM PDT by sunmars

EXCLUSIVE: House Republicans are going to call for a special counsel to determine whether Attorney General Holder perjured himself during his testimony to the House Judiciary Committee on Operation Fast and Furious, Fox News has learned.

House Judiciary Committee Chairman Lamar Smith, R-Texas, is sending a letter to President Obama arguing that Holder cannot investigate himself and will request a probe by a special counsel.

The question is whether Holder committed perjury during a Judiciary Committee hearing in May. At the time, Holder indicated he was not familiar with with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives program known as Fast and Furious.

However, a newly discovered memo dated July 2010 shows Michael Walther, director of the National Drug Intelligence Center, told Holder that straw buyers in the Fast and Furious operation "are responsible for the purchase of 1,500 firearms that were then supplied to the Mexican drug trafficking cartels."

In response to the Monday release of that and other documents, the Justice Department said Holder was confused by the question, and that he was answering about when he first learned of the "troubling tactics" of the program, not the name of it.

But House Oversight and Government Reform Committee Chairman Darrell Issa, R-Calif., told Fox News on Tuesday morning that Holder saying he didn't understand the question rather than he didn't know of the program is not a successful defense to perjury.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/10/04/house-republicans-to-request-special-counsel-to-probe-holder-on-fast-and/#ixzz1ZpfAxeQ7

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To: simplesimon

“And what happens should Ovomit deny this request for special council ?” -SS

That right there is the key question. My guess is that there is ‘zero’ chance Obama will allow an independent investigation, forcing a stand-off.

Will Issa take it to impeachment? (are there other remedies?)


51 posted on 10/04/2011 10:08:25 AM PDT by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: sunmars

In before the Ken Starr posts.

Seriously... maybe I’m getting old, but I remember when we thought we had Clinton — until the deliberately inept and sex-fueled “investigation” by Ken Starr.

The media mercilessly vilified Starr until he gave Dims exactly what they needed, and the Great Clinton was even greater for defeating the evil Republicans.

Hussein’s worshippers say “YES YOU CAN” when he pines for going above the law. Big Media loves him and will play this against Republicans until Michelle comes home.


52 posted on 10/04/2011 10:08:37 AM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: sunmars
House Judiciary Committee Chairman Lamar Smith, R-Texas, is sending a letter to President Obama arguing that Holder cannot investigate himself and will request a probe by a special counsel.

Obama and Holder are partners in crime, wonder what the next step is when Obama refuses.

53 posted on 10/04/2011 10:08:37 AM PDT by opentalk
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To: little jeremiah

Holder will resign his office and then Obama will pick him as Special Counsel.


54 posted on 10/04/2011 10:08:50 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (Obama is the least qualified guy in whatever room he walks into.)
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To: randita
The AG of the USA didn't understand the question!

Hahahahahahahaha!

55 posted on 10/04/2011 10:09:53 AM PDT by eens (beware the errors of Russia)
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To: rawhide
Are they going to say this was a rogue matter, outside of their oversight?

If it is a rogue, not only should the rogue be fired but also the person who hired the rogue. What are the internal policies? Who is responsible for compliance?

56 posted on 10/04/2011 10:10:50 AM PDT by immadashell
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To: harpseal; TexasCowboy; nunya bidness; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; wku man; SLB; ...
Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!
57 posted on 10/04/2011 10:10:50 AM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: COBOL2Java

Do we want Hussein to return Johnny Reno to power after Holder?


58 posted on 10/04/2011 10:10:59 AM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: sunmars

Darn right it’s about damn time...he never should have been allowed in office. The cabal is going to crumble.


59 posted on 10/04/2011 10:12:57 AM PDT by SueRae (I can see November 2012 from my HOUSE!!!!!!!!)
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To: sunmars
Going to? How many more must die?

Media Cover Up: U.S. Government Invokes
National Security to Conceal Deal Cut with
Mexican Drug Cartel"


"DOJ says Mexican cartels operating in over 1,000 U.S. cities
… spanning all nine Organized Crime Drug Enforcement Task Force (OCDETF) regions,"
according to the U.S. Justice Department's National Drug Threat Assessment of 2011."


"Report: Woman survives live grenade in face"


"Sources: Five grenades thrown in Rio Bravo[Mexico]"


"California Iraqi-Mexican crime ring busted
"Police in southern California have arrested 60 people and broken up
an Iraqi criminal ring accused of selling drugs, machine guns and improvised bombs
out of an immigrant social club"


"Child Finds (Live) Grenade Near Local Creek]"


"News Troops kill 3 gunmen in northern Mexico, seize weapons, vehicles
"Three suspected organized crime gummen were killed and another three
were wounded in a clash near the northeastern Mexican city of Matamoros with army troops,
who seized more than 100 weapons and nearly a score of vehicles after the gun battle, military sources said.
The Defense Secretariat's 4th Military Region said in a statement that 83 automatic rifles,
18 handguns, five grenade launchers, a rocket launcher,
11 fragmentation grenades, 28 40 mm grenades, 315 ammunition clips,
more than 18,000 rounds of ammunition, 17 vehicles and eight kilos of marijuana
were confiscated in Wednesday's operation. "'


Mexican federal police discover arsenal of heavy weapons in Ciudad Juarez home
"Mexican federal police said Saturday they discovered a basement arsenal
hidden behind the mirrors of a home gym that included three anti-aircraft guns,
dozens of grenades, a grenade launcher, AK-47s and other high-powered weapons. "


[Mexico:]Grenade attacks throughout Tamaulipas; shootouts reported'


"[South Texas]Border Patrol finds rocket launcher, grenade launcher,
explosives near Rio Grande "


Fast & Furious: Congress expanding probe to include grenades


"Despite Denials, Map Proves Deliberate Illegal Gun Trafficking by ATF to Mexico"



"U.S. Admits Mexican (Drug) Cartels Control Parts Of Border"

60 posted on 10/04/2011 10:13:05 AM PDT by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: cblue55

Dear Mr. Issa:

You are doing good work,but you are not cutting off the head of this snake.

This came right out of the White House.

200 people and at least One US Agent dead because of Barrack Hussein Obama and his scheme to rid America of guns..


61 posted on 10/04/2011 10:13:47 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: sunmars

Beats having a member of the regime investigating the regime.


62 posted on 10/04/2011 10:14:09 AM PDT by cake_crumb (Obama: the Unholy Won.)
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To: bigbob

Issa’s investigations build the case for the prosecutor, and I would say he is doing a damned fine job of it based on the results. What do you think he should do, just jump on the first piece of evidence and let it go from there?

Not the right way to get the big fish, take them down from the bottom up, you will always get the whole school of rotten fish that way


63 posted on 10/04/2011 10:14:37 AM PDT by 100American (Knowledge is knowing how, Wisdom is knowing when)
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To: BuckeyeTexan; LucyT; Fred Nerks

Just-in-case-FYI-warning Ping (also, post 49)

“(BTW, do not go to newsflavor.com. I got the FakeAlert trojan from there yesterday and it was a bear to clean.)”

Thanks for warning.


64 posted on 10/04/2011 10:14:38 AM PDT by thouworm (.)
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To: sunmars

The first candidate to make a pledge to indict Holder and Geithner gets my vote and I don’t care if he/she has a Muslim nanny, donates to Planned Parenthood and likes Obamacare.


65 posted on 10/04/2011 10:14:43 AM PDT by anton
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To: tgusa
Getting sacked should be the least of Holder’s worries.

Right, Vince Foster got whacked.

66 posted on 10/04/2011 10:14:47 AM PDT by immadashell
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To: SeaHawkFan

But couldn’t having a SP on the case, also bring charges against others ( other than Holder )or could congress do that as well ?

Could you kindly explain the process of Congress impeaching a sitting AG or point me out to a link to read ? I’m not familiar with the process.

Thanks~


67 posted on 10/04/2011 10:14:52 AM PDT by simplesimon (Thomas Paine is weeping. Common sense is gone.)
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To: sunmars

Why is “Fast and Furious” called gun running enforcement when it is simply gun running? Where was the enforcement?


69 posted on 10/04/2011 10:17:04 AM PDT by pallis
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To: little jeremiah; COBOL2Java; sunmars; bcsco; RushIsMyTeddyBear; MestaMachine; dead; Doogle; ...
Who gets to pick the special counsel, and is that the same thing as a special prosecutor?

Uh oh. It wouldn't be this guy would it?

The Office of Special Counsel in the United States Department of Justice replaced the former Office of the Independent Counsel in 1999. It is charged with investigating alleged misconduct in the federal government's executive branch. The current Special Counsel is Patrick Fitzgerald, who was appointed in 2003 by Deputy Attorney General James B. Comey.

70 posted on 10/04/2011 10:18:19 AM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: sunmars

Here is an idea:

We appoint a Special Prosecutor
Mexico appoints a Special Prosecutor

They can work together and can have trials in either country.


71 posted on 10/04/2011 10:18:38 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (FReepers assemble into a circular firing squad while Romney gets coronated.)
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To: sunmars

Eating popcorn right now. Go find a Boy Scout or Cub Scout and lay in a supply.


72 posted on 10/04/2011 10:19:05 AM PDT by cyclotic (Boy Scouts-Developing Leaders in a World of Followers.)
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To: immadashell
If it is a rogue, not only should the rogue be fired but also the person who hired the rogue.

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
It's been how many years now and we STILL don't know who hired Craig Livingstone!

73 posted on 10/04/2011 10:19:44 AM PDT by Roccus (Obama & Holder LLP, Procurers of fine arms to the most discerning drug lords (202) 456-1414)
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To: bcsco

State-run media’s response - YAWN . . . . . . . . .YAWN . . . . . . . YAWN . . . . .


74 posted on 10/04/2011 10:20:26 AM PDT by Mr. Wright (i)
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To: Slambat
It is the Chicago way on a larger scale,

from link

..history of organized crime in Chicago by Robert Lombardo, a sociology professor and former Chicago and Cook County police officer.

Its persistence was documented in Sept. 7, 2006 by the Chicago Sun-Times, which reported that at least 79 current or former Illinois, Chicago or Cook County elected officials had been found guilty of a crime by judges, juries or their own pleas since 1972.

The paper provided this tally of the tarnished: three governors, two other state officials, 15 state legislators, two congressmen, one mayor, three other city officials, 27 aldermen, 19 Cook County judges and seven other Cook County officials.

75 posted on 10/04/2011 10:21:05 AM PDT by opentalk
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To: sunmars

Lead story on FOX Radio news at the top of the hour...almost passed out from shock when I heard it...


76 posted on 10/04/2011 10:22:26 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: Mr. Wright

MSM has been slow, but is picking up some steam. Let’s see just how far this expands.


77 posted on 10/04/2011 10:22:26 AM PDT by bcsco (A vote for Cain will cure the Pain!)
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To: SeaHawkFan
You're right.
Congresscritters are forever appointing committees to do the work they shrug off.
78 posted on 10/04/2011 10:22:35 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: sunmars

So we have to ask Obama for a special prosecutor to investigate Holder? Um ... okay. Well, there goes that. The House is going to have impeach him.


79 posted on 10/04/2011 10:23:15 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Man is not free unless government is limited. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: sunmars
Wonder if barry will allow a special prosecutor...
80 posted on 10/04/2011 10:23:27 AM PDT by shield (Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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To: Roccus
It's been how many years now and we STILL don't know who hired Craig Livingstone!

Did Craig Livingston kill anybody?

81 posted on 10/04/2011 10:24:22 AM PDT by immadashell
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To: sunmars

Patrick Fitzgerald......paging Patrick Fitzgerald,.....please pick up on the white courtesy phone..........


82 posted on 10/04/2011 10:25:33 AM PDT by Red Badger (Furthermore, I think Obama must be impeached....................)
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To: shield

Political suicide for him either way.


83 posted on 10/04/2011 10:26:16 AM PDT by Chandalier (You say Obama, I say O-blame-o!)
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To: sunmars
sit back and watch the heads explode, popcorn anyone?

Need beer with that popcorn?


84 posted on 10/04/2011 10:26:48 AM PDT by USS Alaska
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To: treetopsandroofs

Wow. Are you for real?

So - you don’t think we should have prosecuted Clinton. You obviously disagreed with his impeachment.

And now? Now you think we should ignore Fast and Furious?

Because if we pursue this... it will only benefit “Hussein’s worshippers” and “Big Media”?

And no. You were not in before the Ken Starr posts. Scroll up. I am on record of calling for another Ken Starr.


85 posted on 10/04/2011 10:27:30 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS! This means liberals AND libertarians (same thing) NO LIBS!)
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To: immadashell

The Clintons sure did and he was the man with the files!


86 posted on 10/04/2011 10:28:45 AM PDT by Roccus (Obama & Holder LLP, Procurers of fine arms to the most discerning drug lords (202) 456-1414)
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To: Chandalier

Actually, this is what even many dems wanted to happen to Holder. A small window opens up if he resigns and that is being counted on.


87 posted on 10/04/2011 10:29:45 AM PDT by shield (Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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To: sunmars

Get under the bus Holder. Can’t wait for O’bummer to try to extend executive privilege.


88 posted on 10/04/2011 10:30:28 AM PDT by Razzz42
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To: sam_paine

oh. fitzmas again :(


89 posted on 10/04/2011 10:31:37 AM PDT by cake_crumb (Obama: the Unholy Won.)
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To: shield

It’s the only way to avoid a mega scandal in an election year. Still, the investigation will need to continue. People died because of this, it’s far worse than anything Clinton ever did.


90 posted on 10/04/2011 10:31:42 AM PDT by Chandalier (You say Obama, I say O-blame-o!)
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To: Mr. Wright

All the republican candidates for president should be given a memo to ask in live interviews why their network has not investigated or reported on such a compelling news story. Put THEM on the spot and force the media on camera to directly confront the issue. Don’t answer any questions from the media until they answer our questions.


91 posted on 10/04/2011 10:34:11 AM PDT by reaganbooster (The democrat party symbol should be the grim reaper instead of the donkey.)
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92 posted on 10/04/2011 10:34:51 AM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: MestaMachine

It is about time,What about Obama?Or does this reflect on Obama to TAKE ACTION as well because he is Holder's boss!


93 posted on 10/04/2011 10:37:20 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: Chandalier
People died because of this, it’s far worse than anything Clinton ever did.

Well, there was the Gorelick "Wall" erected to protect Slick. We all saw the unintended consequence of that.

My point being, these people are all scum. No one is EVER held accountable.

94 posted on 10/04/2011 10:38:07 AM PDT by Roccus (Obama & Holder LLP, Procurers of fine arms to the most discerning drug lords (202) 456-1414)
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To: sunmars
Probably too late to obtain all the evidence. No doubt the shredders have been working overtime....

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95 posted on 10/04/2011 10:39:22 AM PDT by b4its2late ("Pray for Obama. Psalm 109:8")
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To: bcsco
"MSM has been slow dragging it's feet and fighting tooth and claw against it, but is picking up some steam. Let’s see just how far this expands."

Fixed that for ya.

96 posted on 10/04/2011 10:40:22 AM PDT by cake_crumb (Obama: the Unholy Won.)
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To: Chandalier

The window that their looking to be opened at the DOJ is to pull as much as possible to get barry with.


97 posted on 10/04/2011 10:42:39 AM PDT by shield (Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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To: sunmars
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After watching the DOJ continually turn a blind eye to voter fraud, blatant racism, and voter rights abuses, he finally blew the whistle during the New Black Panther case – a case that Adams brought to the DOJ's attention and ultimately resigned over because of the corruption and perjury he witnessed leading up to and following the case's orchestrated dismissal.

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98 posted on 10/04/2011 10:44:09 AM PDT by opentalk
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To: sunmars

News Flash: White House appoints King Samir Shabazz Doofus Dingus as special counsel.


99 posted on 10/04/2011 10:45:10 AM PDT by DPMD (~)
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To: sunmars
... the Justice Department said Holder was confused by the question, ...

For being the smartest people on the planet, these libs sure do misunderstand &/or misspeak a lot, don't they?!

100 posted on 10/04/2011 10:51:02 AM PDT by mellow velo
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