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Newly Released Documents Prove: Holder Lied, and Hundreds Died via Fast and Furious
Big Government ^ | 10/4/11 | AWR Hawkins

Posted on 10/04/2011 11:00:46 AM PDT by Nachum

Just the facts:

On May 3, 2011, Attorney General Eric Holder appeared before Congressman Darrell Issa (R-CA) and the House Oversight Committee for questioning on Fast and Furious.

During questioning, Issa asked: “When did you first know about the program…called ‘Fast and Furious?”

Holder responded: “I’m not sure of the exact date, but I probably heard about Fast and Furious for the first time over the last few weeks”

As I’ve written elsewhere, at the very moment Holder gave this answer, it was a safe bet he was being less than completely honest with the Congressional committee. But now the evidence, having become insurmountable in just the past 48 hours, makes it crystal clear that Holder lied to Issa and the House Oversight Committee.

Proof:

Reports CBS NEWS: “[Holder] was sent briefings back as far as 2010.” Briefings on Fast and Furious that is, beginning at least as early as July 2010. (In other words, Holder began receiving briefings on Fast and Furious “ten months before his May 3rd Congressional testimony.”)

And on October 18, 2010, documents show that Assistant Attorney General Lanny A. Breuer sent communiqués to Holder warning that indictments for Fast and Furious could come soon.

In response to this growing mound of evidence against him, Holder is now saying he “misunderstood that question from Congress [on May 3rd], that he did know about Fast and Furious, just not the details”

(Excerpt) Read more at biggovernment.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; Government
KEYWORDS: banglist; corruption; democrats; documents; fastandfurious; gunwalker; holder; holdertruthfile; perjury; released; specialcounsel; specialprosecutor

1 posted on 10/04/2011 11:00:53 AM PDT by Nachum
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

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2 posted on 10/04/2011 11:02:07 AM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Nachum

All he has to do is say, “I forgot.......”........../Steve Martin


3 posted on 10/04/2011 11:03:10 AM PDT by Red Badger (Furthermore, I think Obama must be impeached....................)
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To: Nachum
Just keep on digging, Holder, just keep on digging.
4 posted on 10/04/2011 11:04:19 AM PDT by JPG (Palin '12)
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To: Red Badger

Too many emails to pull that one...


5 posted on 10/04/2011 11:05:11 AM PDT by GOPJ (Bibi would go toe to toe with the devil if it was the only way to save his beloved Israel.)
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To: Red Badger

"Just say "I don't recall" - worked for me!!"

6 posted on 10/04/2011 11:07:37 AM PDT by freedomlover (Make sure you're in love - before you move in the heavy stuff)
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To: Nachum

7 posted on 10/04/2011 11:07:47 AM PDT by Doogle ((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: Nachum

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8 posted on 10/04/2011 11:10:51 AM PDT by opentalk
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To: Nachum
"The bottom line: Holder knew about Fast and Furious at least as early as July 2010, but on May 3rd he told the Congressional committee he had only known about it for a “few weeks.” This means he mislead Congress, a crime made even more egregious by the fact that he had received regular updates on Fast and Furious from July 2010 through May 2011.

Also, Holder has maintained he had no knowledge of guns walking into Mexico via Fast and Furious, but the October 22, 2010 memo proves he not only knew, but was told not to worry about it because no one would be surprised at U.S. guns in Mexico.

What is House Speaker John Boehner doing today? If it’s anything other than initiating impeachment proceedings against Holder, then he’s wasting our time.

Article II of the Constitution gives Congress the power to impeach “the president, the vice president and all civil officers of the United States.” And it’s time to use that power.

Holder lied, and hundreds died via Fast and Furious."

9 posted on 10/04/2011 11:12:12 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: GOPJ

“I accidentally hit ‘Delete All’ on my e-mail program.’......


10 posted on 10/04/2011 11:12:21 AM PDT by Red Badger (Furthermore, I think Obama must be impeached....................)
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To: Nachum

This is a racist plot to destroy a good man; Eric Holder.

(Do I really need the sarc. tag?)


11 posted on 10/04/2011 11:16:50 AM PDT by no dems (The HERMANator in 2012 !)
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To: Nachum
from the article

Article II of the Constitution gives Congress the power to impeach “the president, the vice president and all civil officers of the United States.” And it’s time to use that power.

Holder lied, and hundreds died via Fast and Furious

12 posted on 10/04/2011 11:16:50 AM PDT by opentalk
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To: opentalk; All

I hope he is impeached and the impeachment proceedings take place September-October 2012.


13 posted on 10/04/2011 11:19:26 AM PDT by no dems (The HERMANator in 2012 !)
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To: Nachum

Paging Roger Clemens. Please pick up the white courtesy phone. . . . Roger Clemens . . .


14 posted on 10/04/2011 11:20:33 AM PDT by Hoodat (Because they do not change, Therefore they do not fear God. -Psalm 55:19-)
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To: no dems

Holder’s people will rise up!! Don’t cha know.


15 posted on 10/04/2011 11:21:24 AM PDT by Sybeck1 (My opinion doesn't really matter until March 13th anyway.)
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To: Nachum

Wife: Did you have an affair with that woman?

Husband: No, I don’t know anything about her.

Later:

Husband : I didn’t lie. I just thought you wanted to know if I knew the details regarding that woman.


16 posted on 10/04/2011 11:22:36 AM PDT by Raycpa
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To: Nachum
This administration doubled down on giving DOE loans to more green energy companies in the last few weeks, even after all the criticism and bankruptcy of Solyndra.

Wonder if they have stopped the gun running, Fast and Furious operation.

17 posted on 10/04/2011 11:26:58 AM PDT by opentalk
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To: Nachum

another shoe...

being thrown into the festering fire of frustration that fuels BLACK RAGE...

wake up America...


18 posted on 10/04/2011 11:29:09 AM PDT by antivenom (visit SBPDL.com and at least read what you and the liberal media are too afraid to say)
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To: Nachum

Fast and Furious is an International Incident. How soon before medico (proper spelling for mexico) asks for compensation for the victims? Has holder, zer0 and company put taxpayers on the hook for more money payouts?


19 posted on 10/04/2011 11:32:13 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: no dems
The Ex-Detroit Mayor just got out of prison for perjury, many of his cronies are also facing charges for taking public money.

Criminal charges and consequences.

20 posted on 10/04/2011 11:34:19 AM PDT by opentalk
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To: vette6387; MetaThought; 60Gunner; XHogPilot; FreedomPoster; Josephat; Prince of Space; ...
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JUST DO IT!

21 posted on 10/04/2011 11:36:41 AM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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22 posted on 10/04/2011 11:39:36 AM PDT by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: Nachum

Holder lied.

He should be charged.


23 posted on 10/04/2011 11:54:25 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: xzins
Holder lied. He should be charged.

Who is going to charge him? Only the Justice Department can bring charges. The only way an independent counsel can be appointed is if the Attorney General recuses himself. All he has to declare is that there is "nothing to investigate" and that would be the end of it.

The only recourse Congress has is to impeach him. But to impeach the first Black Attorney General would be viewed as "racist".

Holder holds the keys to his own prison cell. Does anyone think he is going to give them to someone else?

24 posted on 10/04/2011 12:15:39 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: xzins
Holder lied. He should be charged.

Show the proof, and take the "son of a bitch out".


25 posted on 10/04/2011 12:27:36 PM PDT by USS Alaska
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To: P-Marlowe

Isn’t Congress empowered to charge or arrest those who lie to Congress?


26 posted on 10/04/2011 12:28:58 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: xzins
Isn’t Congress empowered to charge or arrest those who lie to Congress?

No. They have only legislative power and the power to impeach. The Justice Department is the only agency authorized to bring criminal charges. Congress has no power to bring any criminal charges except for impeachment. Even a contempt of congress charge must be referred to the Attorney General for prosecution. In effect, if the Attorney General has committed a federal crime, the Attorney General is the only person authorized to bring charges.

In this case, unless Holder recuses himself and appoints a special counsel, he is immune from prosecution (until a new administration comes in, or he is fired by the President).

27 posted on 10/04/2011 12:43:38 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: Red Badger

re: All he has to do is say, “I forgot.......”........../Steve Martin

That brought back memories! (Actually, it is not a bad ploy for democrats. It has worked time and time again.)


28 posted on 10/04/2011 12:43:51 PM PDT by Nevadan
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To: Nachum

Even Congress won’t go after him. So I guess it does not matter much. The most congress will do is say that was a bad boy.


29 posted on 10/04/2011 12:49:01 PM PDT by Revel
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To: xzins

re: Isn’t Congress empowered to charge or arrest those who lie to Congress?

Isn’t that the reason Martha Stewart went to prison?


30 posted on 10/04/2011 12:53:50 PM PDT by Nevadan
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To: P-Marlowe
Here's something about a short-term arrest by the sergeant-at-arms. It's wikipedia. Because of the source I don't know what to think of it.

What do you think?

Inherent contempt

Under this process, the procedure for holding a person in contempt involves only the chamber concerned. Following a contempt citation, the person cited is arrested by the Sergeant-at-Arms for the House or Senate, brought to the floor of the chamber, held to answer charges by the presiding officer, and then subjected to punishment as the chamber may dictate (usually imprisonment for punishment reasons, imprisonment for coercive effect, or release from the contempt citation).

Concerned with the time-consuming nature of a contempt proceeding and the inability to extend punishment further than the session of the Congress concerned (under Supreme Court rulings), Congress created a statutory process in 1857. While Congress retains its "inherent contempt" authority and may exercise it at any time, this inherent contempt process was last used by the Senate in 1934, in a Senate investigation of airlines and the U.S. Postmaster. After a one-week trial on the Senate floor (presided over by the Vice-President of the United States, acting as Senate President), William P. MacCracken, a lawyer and former Assistant Secretary of Commerce for Aeronautics who had allowed clients to rip up subpoenaed documents, was found guilty and sentenced to 10 days imprisonment.[5]

MacCracken filed a petition of habeas corpus in federal courts to overturn his arrest, but after litigation, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that Congress had acted constitutionally, and denied the petition in the case Jurney v. MacCracken.[6][7]

Presidential pardons appear not to apply to a civil contempt procedure such as the above, since it is not an "offense against the United States" or against "the dignity of public authority."[8]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contempt_of_Congress

31 posted on 10/04/2011 12:54:02 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: Nachum; JLAGRAYFOX; freekitty; flat; unkus; SouthTexas; Las Vegas Ron; ElkGroveDan; MamaDearest

Why aren’t We The People demanding Holder’s resignation and investigations into every aspect of this Regime from the Oval Office down to dog catcher?


32 posted on 10/04/2011 1:13:29 PM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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To: Nevadan
"First, get a million dollars, THEN, when the IRS man comes around, simply say 'I... Forgot'".
33 posted on 10/04/2011 1:16:07 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: ExTexasRedhead

‘cuz he and the president are “black”.

Any other questions, sweety?


34 posted on 10/04/2011 1:17:02 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: Nachum

Once the MSM realizes that Obama doesn’t have a chance in H3ll of getting re-elected, they will start dog piling on him. I expect in another 4-6 months from now.

Once Fast and Furious’s hammer drops all the other stuff will come down on him. Just in time for the summer of rage ‘12.

Mark my words


35 posted on 10/04/2011 2:18:56 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: MrB; ExTexasRedhead

That is no excuse and you know it. If you think we are to bow to fear, what are we doing here - right on FR if even freepers post ‘the roll over and play dead’ wish of the commies as if it’s the law of the land.


36 posted on 10/04/2011 3:10:25 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: Nachum
Resignation & prosecution is called for.
37 posted on 10/04/2011 3:57:34 PM PDT by Shqipo (I am AttackWatch parolee #1,237. I am breaking my parole once more.)
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To: presently no screen name

I cannot believe the number of pessimistic “nothing will come of this” posts.

I think this is the tip of the iceberg and it’s going to blow apart. The littler guys are going to sing - fed prison isn’t that nice, and I bet some would rather do 3 or 5 years the 30 years in exchange for info on the big guys.


38 posted on 10/04/2011 4:09:51 PM PDT by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell.)
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To: presently no screen name

Oops, correction:

I bet some would rather do 3 or 5 years rather than 30 years in exchange for info on the big guys.


39 posted on 10/04/2011 4:10:30 PM PDT by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell.)
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To: Nachum

And I’m sure the Re-pube-icans in the House haven’t got the spine to “hold” Holder in contempt.


40 posted on 10/04/2011 4:13:07 PM PDT by Fledermaus (Romney as president will just destroy the country slower than Obama.)
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To: MrB

re: “First, get a million dollars, THEN, when the IRS man comes around, simply say ‘I... Forgot’”.

It worked for Timothy Geithner.


41 posted on 10/04/2011 5:00:40 PM PDT by Nevadan
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To: Nachum

So far the Kos Kiddies and the Brady Bunch seem to be sticking to their strategy of pretending that this doesn’t exist.


42 posted on 10/04/2011 5:13:55 PM PDT by hitkicker
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To: Nachum
Ummmm....Smoking Gun?

Pun obvious and fully intended...

43 posted on 10/04/2011 5:45:33 PM PDT by IrishPennant (We don't want to work so we go to work to make enough money not to work...Huh?)
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To: little jeremiah

No one will prosecute the low level guys because thats Holders job, and he’s not going to do it.

But, it’s become obvious that the head of Justice will lie under oath. His word is now Garbage. He becomes a dead fish hung around Obamas neck. With every hearing he rots and stinks a bit more. Issa can slap the dead fish around, every month.


44 posted on 10/04/2011 7:30:59 PM PDT by PA-RIVER
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To: little jeremiah
think this is the tip of the iceberg and it’s going to blow apart.

I most fervently hope you're right.

45 posted on 10/04/2011 7:46:36 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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