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RFK Jr. touts renewable energy as an urgent need (But Blocks Cape Wind)
Energy Central ^ | Oct 4, 2011 | Martin B. Cassidy

Posted on 10/04/2011 2:28:58 PM PDT by Titus-Maximus

The United States faces a clear choice of pushing forward quickly to refine solar, wind and other renewable energy sources or continue to ignore the less obvious costs of reliance on oil, coal, and nuclear energy, Robert Kennedy Jr. told a group of environmentalists Sunday afternoon.

In discussing other costs that are often ignored, Kennedy cited the process of transporting coal from West Virginia. The government spends millions of dollars per mile to fill thousands of miles of road in the state with 22 inches of asphalt, Kennedy said.

"Coal claims to be cheap but is probably the most catastrophically expensive way to boil a pot of water that has ever been devised," said Kennedy, the son of slain U.S. Sen. Robert F. Kennedy. "The coal trucks weigh 90,000 pounds and will pulverize less robust roads."

Speaking at the Connecticut Fund for the Environment and Save the Sound's annual meeting, Kennedy, an environmental lawyer and chief prosecuting attorney for Hudson Riverkeeper, said renewable energy will ultimately be more efficient than traditional fuels.

"If you read a paper today you can't help but see most of our problems are caused by our use of energy," Kennedy said. "Whether it is Fukushima or Indian Point power plant the problems are linked to how we extract it, deploy it, or reuse it."

The recent rejection of President Barack Obama's job proposals by Republican legislators, who cast further investments into solar and green energy projects as cronyism, are disingenuous given the public subsidization of oil, nuclear, and coal electricity interests, Kennedy said.

What Kennedy cited costs that should be associated with those energy sources, including what he estimates is a $4.5 trillion price of wars in Afghanistan and Iraq over the next 20 years, and $750 billion in subsidies to oil companies.

"This hemorrhage annually of American wealth has beggared our nation that when I was a little boy, owned half the wealth on the face of the planet," Kennedy said.

Kennedy drew a historical parallel between Congress' struggle to pursue greener energy policy over the long term to the debate whether to abolish slavery in the English Parliament in the 19th century.

He said both debates included similar arguments about economic dislocations. Kennedy said emancipation triggered an opposite effect, because smart entrepreneurs saw the opportunity posed by the end of slavery to create industrial machinery that made up for the advantage lost by the end of free labor.

"Because slavery represented 25 percent of the gross national product for Britain, people argued that if you abolished slavery the economy would crater," Kennedy said. "Instead the British economy exploded as entrepreneurs rushed into that space and started the Industrial Revolution."


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: capewind; coal; democrats; energy; envirofascism; globalwarming; globalwarminghaox; greenfraud; greenjobs; kennedy; liberalfascism; renewable; socialistdemocrats; thegreenlie
Typical liberal hypocrite, all for renewable energy unless he has to look at it off Cape Cod.

Now he preaches to us. Tell him to shut up!

Renewable energy and slavery - what a joke.

1 posted on 10/04/2011 2:29:05 PM PDT by Titus-Maximus
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To: Titus-Maximus

Now we have to deal with another generation of these Kennedy idiots. The only good thing to come from that family was President, the rest were leeches.


2 posted on 10/04/2011 2:34:37 PM PDT by mardi59 (Time to turn off the tv so I don't break it..)
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To: Titus-Maximus
I might listen to him if he:
- Walks instead of driving or flying
- Swims instead of using a boat

Otherwise, he's full of hot air and useful only for helping a balloon become airborn.

3 posted on 10/04/2011 2:37:40 PM PDT by ken in texas (Can't Afford a Tagline... send money.)
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To: Titus-Maximus

If there is one guaranteed thing about a Kennedy, it’s hypocrisy.

(That’s the relatives of the original felon of course, not the many honest Kennedys out there.)


4 posted on 10/04/2011 2:42:01 PM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: Titus-Maximus

Sounds like Kennedy is against... infrastructure!


5 posted on 10/04/2011 2:42:35 PM PDT by silverleaf (Common sense is not so common - Voltaire)
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To: Titus-Maximus

RFK Jr is the biggest psycho-phony Euro-Socialist wannabe in Massachussets.

He makes Kerry, Frank, and Warren all look sane by comparison.


6 posted on 10/04/2011 2:44:02 PM PDT by FormerACLUmember
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To: Titus-Maximus

We have renewable energy. It’s called oil.


7 posted on 10/04/2011 2:49:41 PM PDT by TruthInThoughtWordAndDeed (Yahuah Yahusha)
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To: mardi59

I have read that the RFK - Ethel line of Kennedys are running out of money. None of them have ever had a real job. The cost of drug rehab and attorney fees are high. They will have to marry into money like Maria Shriver did.


8 posted on 10/04/2011 2:54:10 PM PDT by forgotten man (forgotten man)
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To: Titus-Maximus

is he still yammering on and on about renewable energy but doesn’t want it in HIS BACK YARD? Same o, Same o. What a joke and a loser.


9 posted on 10/04/2011 3:00:19 PM PDT by cubreporter (Rush Limbaugh... where would our country be without this brilliant man?)
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To: Titus-Maximus

“The coal trucks weigh 90,000 pounds and will pulverize less robust roads”

Anyone ever see a coal truck? I’ve noticed power companies have a habit of building rail lines to their plants.


10 posted on 10/04/2011 3:03:00 PM PDT by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: forgotten man
They will have to marry into money like Maria Shriver did.

And something tells me they will succeed at it -- in fact, they'll probably excel. There's nothing that liberal old-money likes better than Kennedys.

11 posted on 10/04/2011 3:03:00 PM PDT by BfloGuy (Given enough time, the primary function of any bureaucracy becomes the employment of its employees.)
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To: Titus-Maximus
NIMBY-RAT poster child...
12 posted on 10/04/2011 3:05:12 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: mardi59
“The only good thing to come from that family was President, the rest were leeches.”

If you are referring to JFK as a “good” President, I disagree.

JFK completely abandoned the Bay of Pigs invasion of Cuba after promising air & other support. His weakness encouraged the USSR to station ballistic missiles in Cuba, causing the Cuban Missile Crisis & almost starting WWIII. Beyond that, he was a serial cheater in his marriage.

JFK was a pretty face & that is about all there was positive about him. Had he lived to an old age, I am sure we would detest him as much as his drunken brother Ted.

13 posted on 10/04/2011 3:05:42 PM PDT by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: Titus-Maximus

I saw this idiot on TV several years ago. He said we should all change to ‘renewable’ energy, based on the Iceland example. At that time, it had alot of geothermal energy, and a strong economy. He declared a causal relationship; ergo, we should all be using geothermal.

(BTW, we do and we have for around 80 years, where viable - he is too stupid to understand that it doesn’t work everywhere).

I have not heard him explain why Iceland is now bankrupt.


14 posted on 10/04/2011 3:07:03 PM PDT by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: Titus-Maximus

Have another drink, shut up and sit down. Your uncle caused enough problems we’re still tryng to get out of. I say we turn the entire Kennedy compound into a wind farm.


15 posted on 10/04/2011 3:13:03 PM PDT by ronnie raygun (V)
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To: Mister Da
JFK was a pretty face & that is about all there was positive about him. Had he lived to an old age, I am sure we would detest him as much as his drunken brother Ted. /
16 posted on 10/04/2011 3:14:33 PM PDT by mardi59 (Time to turn off the tv so I don't break it..)
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To: lacrew
In 2004, 12% of utilty coal in the US was delivered by truck, 64% by rail.

But even so, roads are maintained by fuel taxes and railroads are maintained by private owners. In Indiana, coal trucks are limited by law to 80,000# gross weight, while grain trucks are allowed 88,000# on state roads. Maybe we should not only outlaw coal, but agriculture as well. Then nobody would have to work for a living.

17 posted on 10/04/2011 3:17:32 PM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: forgotten man

Ethels family is a mess, as well as the whole Hennedy clan. Mary Jo Kopechne, Will Smith rape charges, Martha Moxley, drug abuse, alcoholism and a host of other rotten things abound in this family.

If women are smart, thay will run like hexk away from these people.


18 posted on 10/04/2011 3:19:54 PM PDT by mardi59 (Time to turn off the tv so I don't break it..)
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To: Titus-Maximus

How many 60 in TVs and limo (or SUV) rides have you taken lately Robert?


19 posted on 10/04/2011 3:20:40 PM PDT by Shady (The undeniable truth of the Obama Administration...The numbers do not lie.)
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To: Shady

And another thing, Did you use a magnifying glass to cook your heroin?


20 posted on 10/04/2011 3:22:53 PM PDT by Shady (The undeniable truth of the Obama Administration...The numbers do not lie.)
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To: Titus-Maximus

Another Kennedy retard.


21 posted on 10/04/2011 3:26:15 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: forgotten man
I have read that the RFK - Ethel line of Kennedys are running out of money.

The irony of that is that the Skakels were at least as rich, and possibly richer, than the Kennedys when Bobby and Ethel were married in 1950. An even greater irony is that Ethel's father George Skakel made his fortune in the coal business--he founded Great Lakes Carbon. Unfortunately, his children and grandchildren were even bigger screwups than the Kennedys.

22 posted on 10/04/2011 3:37:32 PM PDT by Huntress ("Politicians exploit economic illiteracy." --Walter Williams)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; Rurudyne; steelyourfaith; Tolerance Sucks Rocks; xcamel; AdmSmith; ...

Thanks Titus-Maximus.


23 posted on 10/04/2011 3:42:01 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: mardi59

And the “good looks” gene definitely ended with JFK, Jr.


24 posted on 10/04/2011 3:46:09 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: Titus-Maximus

My Dad (RIP) was a renegade Irish Catholic.

In the 60s he told me a Kennedy is “someone who wants to give your money to a poor person and get credit for doing it”


25 posted on 10/04/2011 3:47:06 PM PDT by nascarnation
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To: ilovesarah2012

And the “good looks” gene definitely ended with JFK, Jr/

Yes they did. The rest look and act like inbred loons.


26 posted on 10/04/2011 3:51:32 PM PDT by mardi59 (Time to turn off the tv so I don't break it..)
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To: SunkenCiv; Tunehead54; golux; tubebender; Fractal Trader; Genesis defender; 4horses+amule; ...
Thanx for the ping !

 


Beam me to Planet Gore !

27 posted on 10/04/2011 3:53:55 PM PDT by steelyourfaith (If it's "green" ... it's crap !!!)
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To: Mister Da

I’ve read a lot of books about the Kennedys, and it seems to me that they peaked collectively when JFK became president. After that, it was downhill, and their decline got a lot faster after Joe Sr. had a stroke. He was the brains of the outfit, totally unscrupulous but pragmatic. After he was out of the picture, his sons started making really big blunders. For example, if it had been up to Joe Sr., Bobby would never have gone after the mob, because the price of alienating them was too high.


28 posted on 10/04/2011 4:01:12 PM PDT by Huntress ("Politicians exploit economic illiteracy." --Walter Williams)
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To: Titus-Maximus
It's very observable in RFK Jr where the Kennedy gene pool got peed in.

Strange as it seems, no amount of learning can cure stupidity, and higher education positively fortifies it.

Stephen Vizinczey, An Innocent Millionaire

29 posted on 10/04/2011 4:04:42 PM PDT by Recon Dad (Honkies for Herman......Crackers for Cain)
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To: lacrew
Anyone ever see a coal truck? I’ve noticed power companies have a habit of building rail lines to their plants.

That's my thought exactly. I drive I64 straight through WV quite a bit, have NEVER seen a coal truck. Have seen lots of coal trains and barges.

But RFK's comments aren't anything out of the ordinary for him. He's perpetually full of horses**t. A few years back he was talking up how DC would never have another Winter snowfall like he experienced growing up at Hickory Hill. Then we get blasted with three major snowstorms (Snowmageddon, Snowpocolypse) within a month and a half.

But so long as the true-believers continue believing him just because he's a Kennedy, and keep sending the $$$ in, he'll do just fine.
30 posted on 10/04/2011 4:07:45 PM PDT by tanknetter
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To: silverleaf
Sounds like Kennedy is against... infrastructure!

And that means he's against jobs, right?

LOL.

Should be noted that the real reason why WV has all those miles of interstate is that Senator Bobby "Grand Cyclops" Byrd was powerful enough over most of his Senate career to funnel all that $$$ into WV as pork to provide jobs and buy votes.
31 posted on 10/04/2011 4:10:50 PM PDT by tanknetter
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To: tanknetter

Why does a drug addict like him get to lecture us about how to live?????

He sounds scatterbrained. I wonder if his mind on drugs is like the fried eggs in the public service announcements years ago which urged people to avoid drugs.

But since he’s a Kennedy, and a good liberal, we’re supposed to revere him and worship him????


32 posted on 10/04/2011 4:13:52 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Dilbert San Diego
I think his cousin is the druggie..He is just a goof ball eco freak
33 posted on 10/04/2011 4:32:20 PM PDT by Hojczyk
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To: Titus-Maximus
In discussing other costs that are often ignored, Kennedy cited the process of transporting coal from West Virginia. The government spends millions of dollars per mile to fill thousands of miles of road in the state with 22 inches of asphalt, Kennedy said.

I call BS!!!
No way there is 22 inches of asphalt! Hell, the roads are not 22 inches deep INCLUDING the road bed. Coal trucks here in WV at best travel only a couple of miles from a mine to a tipple and at that it is usually on secondary roads.....NOT Interstates.

I'm thinkin' Bobby-boy needs another fix

34 posted on 10/04/2011 4:48:04 PM PDT by Roccus (Obama & Holder LLP, Procurers of fine arms to the most discerning drug lords (202) 456-1414)
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To: Hojczyk
I think his cousin is the druggie..He is just a goof ball eco freak

I don't think he's really an eco freak. I think he has major relevancy issues; can't live up to the expectations that come with his father's name.

I'd guess that he picked environmentalism as his pet cause in order to differentiate himself from the rest of the Kennedy clan and gain relevancy other than being RFK's son and namesake. From what I've heard him say (and write) I think a lot of what comes out of him is really written by others.

Kind of pathetic and sad actually. Guy should really be pitied and dismissed out of hand.
35 posted on 10/04/2011 5:00:23 PM PDT by tanknetter
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To: tanknetter
I'd be interested to know where "...all those miles of interstate..." you talk about are. Have you looked at a map of WV? I 81 cuts through the Eastern Panhandle for about 30 miles. About a 30 mile stretch of I 68 terminates at Morgantown and I 64, I 77, I 79 cross through the state.
36 posted on 10/04/2011 5:01:00 PM PDT by Roccus (Obama & Holder LLP, Procurers of fine arms to the most discerning drug lords (202) 456-1414)
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To: Roccus
I'd be interested to know where "...all those miles of interstate..." you talk about are. Have you looked at a map of WV?

I was probably being a bit expansive in using the term "interstate", but it's clear that Bobby Byrd pumped a LOT of Federal road project dollars into his state over the years (see here for what he was able to do well after he hit senility).

Like I said, I drive I-64 from VA to KY quite a bit (at least one round trip a month), so I'm familiar with that stretch of interstate. And I've done the "up and over" using 79 North from Charleston to get back to NoVA a time or two as well. The WV roads are very much overbuilt for the traffic they handle. The 77/64 interchange is particularly impressive and I still wonder why they built that massive bridge bypassing the old Memorial Tunnel (which is now an urban disaster training facility).
37 posted on 10/04/2011 5:22:39 PM PDT by tanknetter
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To: tanknetter

Memorial Tunnel was a bottleneck, four lanes down to two.

I 79 handles a large volume of traffic, especially trucks... much more so than that stretch of I 68. I 81 is also heavily travelled by trucks.

Not all that familiar with the southern part of the state.

When you said “up and over” did you mean Corridor H (US 33)?


38 posted on 10/04/2011 5:45:37 PM PDT by Roccus (Obama & Holder LLP, Procurers of fine arms to the most discerning drug lords (202) 456-1414)
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To: Hojczyk

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_F._Kennedy,_Jr.

1983
In 1983, he was arrested in a Rapid City, South Dakota, airport for heroin possession. A search of his carry-on bag uncovered 183 milligrams of the drug.[4] Upon entering a plea of guilty, Kennedy, then 29 years old and a first time offender, was sentenced to two years probation, periodic tests for drug use, treatment by joining Narcotics Anonymous, and 1,500 hours of community service by Presiding Judge Marshall P. Young.[4] After the court was satisfied with Kennedy’s compliance with the sentence, it ordered that Kennedy’s record regarding the offense was to be sealed and expunged.


39 posted on 10/04/2011 7:37:33 PM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: Roccus
When you said “up and over” did you mean Corridor H (US 33)?

It's been a while since I took that route. It involved taking 79 North from Charleston then cutting over East (not sure, maybe 70? But that may be going too far North) to get to Cumberland MD, then down 15 from Frederick MD through Point of Rocks MD and Leesburg VA.
40 posted on 10/05/2011 3:26:17 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: tanknetter

Yeah, that was 68 which ends at 70 in MD.

Had you gone East at US 33 from I 79, you’d have had a good 4 lane (Corridor H) for about 35 miles. After that, two lane 33 over the mountains to Harrisonburg, VA, though scenic, is a tough drive.
Because of the terrain throughout the state, most all non-interstate like roads (now THERE is a tortured phrase) are tough, two lane affairs.


41 posted on 10/05/2011 5:58:58 AM PDT by Roccus (Obama & Holder LLP, Procurers of fine arms to the most discerning drug lords (202) 456-1414)
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To: nascarnation

good line.


42 posted on 10/05/2011 7:18:46 AM PDT by Titus-Maximus (Light from Light)
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To: Mister Da

He did lower the capital gains tax and put Byron WHIZZER White on the Supreme Court. I wish all Dems were that “bad”, we would have a great country.


43 posted on 10/05/2011 7:21:51 AM PDT by Titus-Maximus (Light from Light)
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