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Indict Eric Holder (Yesssssssssss!!!)
IBD Editorials ^ | October 4, 2011 | Editor

Posted on 10/04/2011 6:27:45 PM PDT by Kaslin

Scandal: A major-league pitcher was indicted for lying to Congress about steroid use. Administration memos show Eric Holder lied about what he knew about Fast and Furious and when he knew it. What's the difference?

Somewhere, Scooter Libby must be scratching his head. He was indicted and convicted simply because his recall of when a meeting occurred differed from others. He didn't lie about a gun-running operation that led to the deaths of two American agents and at least 200 Mexicans.

But Attorney General Eric Holder did, according to memos obtained by CBS News and Fox News.

They show Holder lied to Congress on May 2, 2011, when he was asked about when he knew about the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives' Fast and Furious gun-running operation. He told House Oversight Committee Chairman Darrell Issa he was "not sure of the exact date, but I probably learned about Fast and Furious over the last few weeks."

Holder learned of the operation as early as July 2010 in a memo from the director of the National Drug Intelligence Center informing him of an operation run by the Organized Crime Drug Enforcement Task Force out of the Phoenix ATF office, under which "straw purchasers are responsible for the purchase of 1,500 firearms that were then supplied to Mexican drug cartels."

On Oct. 18, 2010, one of Holder's chief deputies, Lanny Breuer, chief of the Justice Department's Criminal Division, told Holder in a memo that prosecutors were ready to issue indictments of a few gun traffickers involved in Fast and Furious.

A memo the day before from Deputy Attorney General Jason Weinstein to another lawyer in the Criminal Division, James Trusty, asked if Breuer should do a press conference when Fast and Furious became known.

(Excerpt) Read more at investors.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Government; Mexico
KEYWORDS: atf; banglist; doj; ericholder; fastandfurious; gunrunner; guns; gunwalker; holder; ibd; ibdguns; impeach; mexico
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1 posted on 10/04/2011 6:27:47 PM PDT by Kaslin
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To: All

Trial, then Imprisonment next.


2 posted on 10/04/2011 6:31:44 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: Kaslin

Right. Indicted. Tried “In Absentia”. And THEN blown to pieces with a drone fired missile.


3 posted on 10/04/2011 6:32:48 PM PDT by bigheadfred (But alas)
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To: Kaslin

Impeach him and imprison him.


4 posted on 10/04/2011 6:35:50 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: Kaslin
Holder, quite simply, has lied to Congress, although the defense now being offered is he didn't understand Issa's question, doesn't read all the memos sent to him or was otherwise out of the loop.

Holder and his defense are lying, plain and simple.

Indict, prosecute and if found guilty, jail time is warranted.

5 posted on 10/04/2011 6:37:10 PM PDT by jazusamo (The real minimum wage is zero: Thomas Sowell)
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To: Kaslin

I believe that Holder will be the sacrificial lamb on this one; even though, I believe, with every fiber of my being, that this mess goes all the way to the top. Holder set this mess into motion, there is no doubt about it.


6 posted on 10/04/2011 6:38:04 PM PDT by RobertClark (Emancipate yourself from mental slavery, none but ourselves can free our mind.)
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To: Kaslin

If Obama was out personally peddling the phony “90% of Mexican guns come from the U.S.” statistic before the F&F operation went down, wouldn’t it be natural and expected that Holder and people in the WH would have discussed the activities of the federal government in respect of the guns-to-Mexico issue with Obama?

If, knowing of his interest in this matter, they DIDN’T tell him about this, then what DO they tell him?


7 posted on 10/04/2011 6:38:35 PM PDT by Meet the New Boss (Cain you hear us NOW?)
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To: Kaslin

What a great point..! Is a baseball player held to a higher standard for legal behavior than the most powerful lawman in the USA..?

Makes it really simple.

And remember —the more accurate number for the number of Mexicans killed by F&F guns so far is actually 3,000.


8 posted on 10/04/2011 6:39:26 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: Kaslin

50/50 nothing will happen.

Ruby Ridge was worse. Nothing happened to any feds.

Waco was worse. Nothing happened to any feds.

Filegate was worse. Nothing happened to any feds.


9 posted on 10/04/2011 6:39:39 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans: Don't read their lips - watch their hands.)
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To: Kaslin

This partisan hack should never have been confirmed by Congress in the first place. They should have known from what he did in the Marc Rich pardon alone, but they didn’t even really bring that up did they? They just let him skate on through because he’s black and the president is black and they were afraid to be called racist. Now good people are dead because of them.

Will Congress ever wake up and grow a pair?


10 posted on 10/04/2011 6:42:17 PM PDT by Bullish (Recovery won't begin until Obama loses HIS job.)
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To: Kaslin
No way, I want Obama on this deal. You indict and convict Holder, the MSM will paint that as the end and Obama gets off scott free.

Watergate was the biggest scandal of all time, right? Nixon was forced to resign because some republicans broke into the DNC to pilfer campaign information. Whopeedo.

Obama is responsible for killing Americans in an attempt to make the case against the 2nd Amendment.

Which one is the bigger deal, hmmmm?

11 posted on 10/04/2011 6:42:20 PM PDT by teenyelliott (Soylent green should be made out of liberals...)
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To: bigheadfred

***** “Right. Indicted. Tried “In Absentia”. And THEN blown to pieces with a drone fired missile.” ******

I’m 100% behind this plan

TT


12 posted on 10/04/2011 6:44:58 PM PDT by TexasTransplant (Radical islam is real islam. Moderate islam is the trojan horse.)
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To: Bullish
Will Congress ever wake up and grow a pair?

Forget about Congress. I think we all know how they scratch each others backs and let the rest of us eat cake.

What I want to know is how long regular Joe Americans are going to shake their tiny fists in outrage, yet do nothing?

13 posted on 10/04/2011 6:46:35 PM PDT by teenyelliott (Soylent green should be made out of liberals...)
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To: Kaslin

yes.


14 posted on 10/04/2011 6:47:33 PM PDT by ken21 (ruling class dem + rino progressives -- destroying america for 150 years.)
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To: teenyelliott

NRA says that holder under klintoon, let the background check system go down for months one time. Hence not one gun sale in the country at that time. They say once it was down for 2 months.


15 posted on 10/04/2011 6:47:33 PM PDT by bicyclerepair ( REPLACE D-W-S ! http://www.karenforcongress.com)
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To: Kaslin

If a Republican Senate wouldn’t impeach Bill Clinton for blatant perjury, not to mention the crime for which he was never charged — selling technology secrets to the Chinese, there is no way the current Republican leadership will even consider impeachment of Holder.


16 posted on 10/04/2011 6:47:57 PM PDT by Soul of the South (When times are tough the tough get going.)
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To: Soul of the South

I should have said, “If a Republican Senate wouldn’t convict Bill Clinton . . .”


17 posted on 10/04/2011 6:48:46 PM PDT by Soul of the South (When times are tough the tough get going.)
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To: teenyelliott

I’m with you. One way to get Holder to sing is also to indict him as an accessory in the deaths attributed to the scandal. That means at the very least, life at Supermax. Make him an offer to come totally clean for a country club minimum security joint and he will make Barbara Streisand’s singing ability sound like a broken record.


18 posted on 10/04/2011 6:49:37 PM PDT by mazda77
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To: Nachum; markomalley; Clairity; Carlucci; grey_whiskers; meyer; WL-law; Para-Ord.45; ...

Corruption ping


19 posted on 10/04/2011 6:50:30 PM PDT by raptor22 (Join me on Twitter @gerfingerpoken)
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To: Kaslin
Do not get your hopes up.

Nothing will happen. We thought the Clinton crew was slick, the obama crew gets away with everything that no one else has, nor would.

Obama will slick out of office and become a venerated former president. That is partly the machine, the rest of it is the 55% of the electorate that does not care, or willingly does and ignores this administrations problems.

Far slicker than bill Clinton with the 100+ arkancide deaths. Right now you can trace over 2000 Mexicans that died because of Fast and Furious gunrunner case. Far slicker than the Clintons ever were.

Obama and wife will be with us, ONE OUR DIME, for DECADES. There is a good chance we will live with a loaded SCOTUS that many here helped in to create.

See my tag line and look back at it since before the election!
20 posted on 10/04/2011 6:52:08 PM PDT by JSteff ((((It was ALL about SCOTUS. Most forget about that and HAVE DOOMED us for a generation or more.))))
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To: teenyelliott

Do you all think Holder will take the fall for obummer? If Holder is indicted will he sing like a canary?


21 posted on 10/04/2011 6:56:19 PM PDT by lardog ( Obama should be locked up.)
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To: Kaslin

In these articles they still give Holder the benefit of doubt whenever they can. Instead of saying Holder knew as early as a certain date the more accurate statement should be he knew at least as early as date given. There is strong circumstancial evidence that he knew about it right from the start as he and Obama cooked the whole thing up, maybe with Hillary’s input.


22 posted on 10/04/2011 6:58:04 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: Psalm 144

You have a point my FRiend, zer0 posted a fraud birth certificate right on the White House web site, Adobie specialist took it apart, nothing has ever been said.

1/2 black race card, played again

But - Keep the foot on the AGs neck and do not let up. Stay with this and ride the socialist, marxist, democrat, leftest out of office.

Its all we can hope for, it seems.


23 posted on 10/04/2011 6:58:04 PM PDT by reefdiver ("Let His day's be few And another takes His office")
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To: Kaslin

Dear Mr. Holder, please turn over all your communications to Obama’s private Blackberry #.


24 posted on 10/04/2011 6:58:04 PM PDT by umgud
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To: bigheadfred
Right. Indicted. Tried “In Absentia”. And THEN blown to pieces with a drone fired missile.

Right, and take the cost of the missile out of his pay.

25 posted on 10/04/2011 6:58:44 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: teenyelliott
Forget about Congress. I think we all know how they scratch each others backs and let the rest of us eat cake.

What I want to know is how long regular Joe Americans are going to shake their tiny fists in outrage, yet do nothing?

Yeah, I'm seriously fed up with this. The media could cause an outrage of epic proportion over this, but they won't because it's their hero Obama behind it.

Just imagine if it were a Republican administration to blame. It would be the biggest scandal ever and they would be rightfully calling for heads to roll.

26 posted on 10/04/2011 7:00:22 PM PDT by Bullish (Recovery won't begin until Obama loses HIS job.)
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To: teenyelliott

You’ve just been reported to attack.com. I called the FBI. They know all about me. I mean, ummm, you.


27 posted on 10/04/2011 7:02:02 PM PDT by bigheadfred (But alas)
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To: Kaslin

There is absolutely no doubt that he’d be indicted if he were a Republican. Indicted and convicted.

I don’t think he’ll be indicted by the liberal establishment, though, and he certainly won’t be convicted by a DC jury.


28 posted on 10/04/2011 7:06:00 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Soul of the South
For your information, Clinton was impeached by the House. The Senate did not remove him and we know why
29 posted on 10/04/2011 7:06:37 PM PDT by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: reefdiver

True. 50/50 is worth rolling for.


30 posted on 10/04/2011 7:08:45 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans: Don't read their lips - watch their hands.)
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To: Kaslin

I wonder what the statute of limitation is for perjury in DC?

It will have to wait for a new attorney general.


31 posted on 10/04/2011 7:09:02 PM PDT by anton
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To: Kaslin

We all have Miss Lindsey Graham to thank for Holder being the AG.

Graham should be removed from the Judiciary Committee.


32 posted on 10/04/2011 7:09:32 PM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: Kaslin

Would holder be the fall guy for zero or will he give up his boss to save himself?


33 posted on 10/04/2011 7:10:20 PM PDT by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est)
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To: Kaslin
At least two BP agents died. Only the Gods know how many other in the US and Mexico from drug gang violence.

Try him. Sentence him. Put him against the wall with a blindfold and a cigarette.

34 posted on 10/04/2011 7:10:29 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (For those who fight for it, life has a flavor the sheltered will never know.)
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To: Psalm 144

“Waco was worse. Nothing happened to any feds.”

I have to disagree with you about this one in particular. If I recall correctly Vincent Foster experienced an “assisted suicide” as a result of Waco...or so the story goes!


35 posted on 10/04/2011 7:12:11 PM PDT by Towed_Jumper (There are only two classes of people left in the U.S. - Producers and Parasites.)
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To: raptor22

Thanks.


36 posted on 10/04/2011 7:13:51 PM PDT by GOPJ (Bibi would go toe to toe with the devil if it was the only way to save his beloved Israel.)
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To: Bullish

Were there any fast and furious gun runners in Maricopa Co. Arizona?

Sheriff Joe Arpaio might just want to investigate Attny. Gen. Hold-no-crimminals.


37 posted on 10/04/2011 7:20:09 PM PDT by Graewoulf ( obama"care" violates the 1890 Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND is illegal by the U.S. Constitution.)
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To: TexasTransplant; smoothsailing; americanophile

A lot is being made of al-unlucky being whacked in Yemen. We should follow the process, all 2 minutes of it, and give Holder his due.


38 posted on 10/04/2011 7:20:09 PM PDT by bigheadfred (But alas)
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To: Soul of the South
Yeah, but the reason the Republican Senate did not remove him was because this idiot would have become president

Don't tell me you would have been okay with that

39 posted on 10/04/2011 7:20:42 PM PDT by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: Kaslin

INHALE, stupid!


40 posted on 10/04/2011 7:22:32 PM PDT by Graewoulf ( obama"care" violates the 1890 Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND is illegal by the U.S. Constitution.)
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To: Kaslin

So they settled for second “best”. (Now)


41 posted on 10/04/2011 7:24:06 PM PDT by bigheadfred (But alas)
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To: Kaslin

Given the Fast n Furious scandal, NBPP, etc. Why is he still there?


42 posted on 10/04/2011 7:29:00 PM PDT by HammerT (The Obama Recession, you bone it you own it.)
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What's the difference?

What's the difference? I'll tell you the difference! That pitcher has been lying to congress about how he was directly responsible for the international trafficking of weapons (and now it appears grenades and explosives as well) to international drug cartels, and supplying the weapons used to kill at least 200 innocent Mexican civilians and two US law enforcement agents.

Oh, wait, it wasn't the pitcher... He was just shooting up steroids and HGH. But that pitcher REALLY belongs in prison!

Mark

43 posted on 10/04/2011 7:32:51 PM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: Kaslin

Rep Issa :When did you first learn of operation fast and furious?

A.G. Holder :That depends on what the meaning of” When did you first learn of operation fast and furious” is........


44 posted on 10/04/2011 7:33:14 PM PDT by WePledge (Ich werde fur immer ein Hollenhund werden. Semper Fidelis)
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To: Kaslin
Jailbirds
45 posted on 10/04/2011 7:33:42 PM PDT by FrankR (What you resist...PERSISTS!)
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To: Meet the New Boss
Wasn't Hillary out in front of the propaganda front regarding US gun stores supplying the cartels? I can see Obama and his minions claiming F&F was all Hillary's idea if he reelection campaign gets into trouble and it looks like she might throw her cankles into the ring.

Mark

46 posted on 10/04/2011 7:36:18 PM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: Kaslin
Liar, Liar 2
47 posted on 10/04/2011 7:36:30 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (If you always tell the truth, you won't have to remember what you said.)
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To: bigheadfred
hey #attackwatch, there is a black guy in a white house who killed some brown people.
48 posted on 10/04/2011 7:45:40 PM PDT by teenyelliott (Soylent green should be made out of liberals...)
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To: FrankR

I had a dream!!!


50 posted on 10/04/2011 7:57:57 PM PDT by REDWOOD99 ("Earth first! We can log the other planets later")
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