Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

How Conservative Candidates Can Give Us a RINO Nominee
American Thinker ^ | October 5, 2011 | Selwyn Duke

Posted on 10/05/2011 1:32:48 AM PDT by neverdem

While I certainly understand the frustration of those who complain of RINO primary rise, it's important to accept the reality of how it happens. It is not, as some would say, a matter of the "Republican Party giving us another John McCain." Nominees aren't appointed; they're elected. It is not the result of a New World Order conspiracy bent on keeping the Ron Pauls of the world from power. Voters may sometimes have chips on their shoulders; there are no controlling chips in their brains. Of course, the media can and do shape public opinion, but they only truly sing in unison when their candidate (read: any Democrat) has his hide on the line during the general election.

To truly understand why a RINO (Republican in Name Only) will likely win the nomination, we only have to consider the following poll numbers: Mitt Romney, 25 percent; Rick Perry, 16; Herman Cain, 16; Ron Paul, 11; Newt Gingrich, 7; and Michele Bachmann, 7. What is notable about this list? Romney, widely viewed as the most liberal of the major contenders, leads the pack. Is this because the Republican base now reflects the Massachusetts GOP?

Or is it because too many are dividing up the traditionalist-vote pie?

Note that every listed candidate but Romney is seen, generally speaking, as being of the right. Of course, many will point out that Perry and Gingrich are RINOs as well. But the critical factor is perception. The Texas governor is largely viewed as a conservative who has had dalliances with the Democrat devil; Gingrich is considered a conservative with too much personal and Beltway baggage; Paul is seen as a rightist libertarian with some outside-the-box views. But it's one thing to be a conservative who occasionally attends a liberal masquerade party.

It's quite another to...

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Politics/Elections; US: District of Columbia
KEYWORDS: 2012gopprimary; backstabberromney; conservativism; gop; loserromney; rinoromney; rinos; spoilerromney
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-92 next last
Please God, heaven forfend another RINO!
1 posted on 10/05/2011 1:32:55 AM PDT by neverdem
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: neverdem

I know and the top two candidates are both the worst. Thank God Cain is at least tied for second....that at least gives conservatives a great chance.


2 posted on 10/05/2011 1:42:39 AM PDT by napscoordinator
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: neverdem

“And since I want to make the best choice for our culture, I’ll support the best candidate with a chance to win. As far as the primaries go, this means I favor one Republican over the others.”

Problem is that nobody knows who that one is. So let’s just test everybody and let’s see who rises to the challenge in the end!


3 posted on 10/05/2011 2:00:14 AM PDT by ari-freedom (I'm a heartless conservative because I love this country.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: neverdem
... when lamenting our election choices, what are we really complaining about?

Our fellow man.

Bingo!

Every time you hear a commentator or a politician complaining about "Washington" know that these people are giving the electorate what it wants. If the country has $14 trillion worth of debt to pay for Social Security and Medicare it is because any politician who denied the electorate these entitlements while telling them the truth about the debt would be out of office. If the truth were otherwise Ron Paul would have been a president long ago.

Now that the reckoning is upon us we will continue to deceive ourselves and say that we are in this mess because of politicians. We will have Republicans blaming Democrats and liberals while conservatives blame rinos. The author has it right, in the long run you must win the cultural war to win the elections. He might have added that in the long run you cannot win the cultural war if you lose the demographics war. This is undoubtedly why the author wants to stop immigration altogether.

The problem is not in the stars but in ourselves.


4 posted on 10/05/2011 2:24:07 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: neverdem

The author simply points out the obvious: in the field where there are only 1-2 RINOS but 5-6 conservatives, and there is no clear cut majority, it’s not surprising that we end up with a RINO. The conservatives need to focus on 1-2 candidates soon.


5 posted on 10/05/2011 2:25:39 AM PDT by paudio (0bama is like a bad mechanic who couldn't fix your car; he just makes it worse. Get somebody else!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: paudio

seems they are going with Cain instead of Michele or Santorum. Maybe those 2 will drop out soon. Not quite sure what Huntsman is doing and Gary seems he wants to be the secular, younger version of Ron Paul so I guess he’ll stay for the ride.


6 posted on 10/05/2011 2:34:16 AM PDT by ari-freedom (I'm a heartless conservative because I love this country.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: paudio
The conservatives need to focus on 1-2 candidates soon.

I can't see Palin staying out. With Michele Bachmann's campaign in trouble, Palin might jump in and try to start a stampede among the conservatives to overreach the RiNO.

I think that's her strategy -- stay out, conserve her money, limp-leg the Mediabot calumnies, and then join at the latest opportunity possible, all the while taking the risk that the support will go elsewhere and commit to, say, Perry or Cain.

7 posted on 10/05/2011 2:36:57 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: neverdem

A fantasy for a Wednesday evening...

Cain, Perry and Sarah agree to meet to decide which of the three will challenge Romney for the nomination. To tell the truth, I think that most FReepers have their preference among the three — but I also think that most FReepers could support one of those three with considerable enthusiasm.

How to do it? Simple.

The three meet in Vegas for one hour of nationally televised five card stud poker.

Each candidate brings $500 to the table. If they go bust, they’re out. If all three still have chips at the end of the hour, who ever has the most chips is the winner and the other two agree to wholeheartedly support his/her bid for the nomination and, of course, the general election.

How about it? What could be more American than that?


8 posted on 10/05/2011 3:00:22 AM PDT by Ronin (If we were serious about using the death penalty as a deterrent, we would bring back public hangings)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: neverdem
It's all in the hands of the Tea Party—and no person or pollster can predict their actions though some claim they can.
Just know the Tea Party WILL NOT allow a RINO nominee and WILL NOT allow an Obama second term.

Seems even some conservatives have forgotten the massive tectonic shift in American politics the Tea Party ONLY STARTED last November.
Gotta have faith in the TP brothers and sisters—I do.

9 posted on 10/05/2011 3:06:18 AM PDT by Happy Rain ( "Many of the most useful idiots of the Left are on the Right.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: neverdem

Ah yes, the clarion call of “hold your nose and vote Replublican at all costs” is starting to sound.


10 posted on 10/05/2011 3:06:32 AM PDT by Wolfie
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: neverdem

Obama now admits in an Interview that people are not better off since he was elected President and like the suckers they are the Republicans bite at the setup. The democrats are Planning to Run against the Republicans as Far right Wingers,you know the People who Go to work everyday,pay your taxes,go by the rules,Stand and salute The flag when it Passes by,THOSE extremists,so when I hear Fox News Reporting this, I hear,we better nominate a RINO.
This is what happens when for years the Republican Party puts their tales Between their Legs and does not stand up for Traditional Americans But becomes BIPARTISAN and compromises their Principals, now we no longer Have any.
Traditional Americans have been sold out,told to hold your Nose get what you can Now,we can work toward a Conservative Later.What has that gotten us? Look at Wall st. today,that is what you get,Romney is what you get,Obama a Marxist is what you get,admitting he is Destroying the Country and getting ready to spend a Billion Dollars on Ads telling you its All your Fault,and the Best the Republicans can offer is ,LOOK Obama is admitting we are worse off!
You would think they would say Americans who Pay the Bills our responsible citizens and Pay their taxes ,worship their God ,fight and Die for their Country,donate for the Poor and sick ARE NOT RIGHT WING EXTREMISTS!!THEY ARE AMERICANS That have been sold out
If you think the people down on Wall St. in New York and in all the Other Cities across the Country demonstrating are the Real America show me the Interview where one of them says I love My country,show me one holding an American Flag High and saying we need to get back to Personal RESPONSIBILITY,hard work and to getting rid of Lying marxist Politicians preying on the Ignorance and stupidity of the American People,it would be nice if one of the parties did NOT appeal to the Lowest of Human emotions Jealousy,envy and Greed.


11 posted on 10/05/2011 3:07:28 AM PDT by ballplayer
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: napscoordinator

according to a CBS poll today Cain Is now tied for first with Romney


12 posted on 10/05/2011 3:08:57 AM PDT by ballplayer
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: ballplayer

Thank you for the OUTSTANDING news. I appreciate it so much. Getting rid of Ricardo Perry and Romney would be so sweet. I can’t bring myself to even hold my nose for those two frauds. Perry and his illegal alien love just kills me. Romney is just bad all around. It stinks that it is taking this long to FINALLY get a REAL conservative in the lead. If the conservatives don’t pick either Cain, Palin, Bachmann or Santorum than they deserve four more years of Obama. I cannot vote for liberals Perry and Romney. It just is not going to happen.


13 posted on 10/05/2011 3:14:09 AM PDT by napscoordinator
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: lentulusgracchus

She has Said from the Start she wanted to see if there is someone carrying the True Conservative message in the Race. Well who do we have Left? Cain,Bachman,Santorum,are these the ones we want to carry the Conservative Banner?
I like the way Cain sounds,but I think at this point I would like to see Sarah run,at Least once in My Life I would like to have a Candidate who would not Apologize for America,and be Proud to FIGHT for TRADITIONAL Americans and to hell with the republican estabishment


14 posted on 10/05/2011 3:16:30 AM PDT by ballplayer
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: neverdem
Oddly enough, although Romney is unacceptable to many core conservatives, he is viewed as relatively nonthreatening to dispirited moderates and soft Democrats who came out to vote for Obama in 2008--and for many of the same reasons. They are more likely to sit at home on their hands this election cycle if the race is between Romney and Obama, and that could help Republicans down ticket in swing districts.

A "scary" Perry, Christie, Bachmann, Gingrich, or Palin candidacy on the other hand, would likely fire up a lot of this dispirited crew to come out and vote--not because they are happy with Obama, but because they feel compelled to register their resistance to the "scary" Republican candidate. That could hurt Republican candidates down ticket.

Romney might be the candidate no one really passionately wants, but who ends up winning for that very reason.

Cain is about the only other viable "non-scary" Republican candidate in the race, but he is unlikely to generate much money from big donors. It might be a smart strategic move for Romney to pick the likeable "non-scary" Cain as his VP.

Again, I will vote with pleasure for WHICHEVER Republican candidate is still standing at the end of the primary road. Anything else would be a vote for Obama, and he infinitely worse than the worst Republican alternative.

15 posted on 10/05/2011 3:26:02 AM PDT by behzinlea
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: nathanbedford

“... when lamenting our election choices, what are we really complaining about?
Our fellow WOMEN.

Bingo!

Every time you hear a commentator or a politician complaining about “Washington” know that these people are giving the WOMEN electorate what it wants. If the country has $14 trillion worth of debt to pay for Social Security and Medicare it is because any politician who denied the WOMEN electorate these entitlements while telling them the truth about the debt would be out of office...”

One tiny little fact that needs recognition here.


16 posted on 10/05/2011 3:26:42 AM PDT by ngat
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: napscoordinator

Obama now admits in an Interview that people are not better off since he was elected President and like the suckers they are the Republicans bite at the setup. The democrats are Planning to Run against the Republicans as Far right Wingers,you know the People who Go to work everyday,pay your taxes,go by the rules,Stand and salute The flag when it Passes by,THOSE extremists,so when I hear Fox News Reporting this, I hear,we better nominate a RINO.
This is what happens when for years the Republican Party puts their tales Between their Legs and does not stand up for Traditional Americans But becomes BIPARTISAN and compromises their Principals, now we no longer Have any.
Traditional Americans have been sold out,told to hold your Nose get what you can Now,we can work toward a Conservative Later.What has that gotten us? Look at Wall st. today,that is what you get,Romney is what you get,Obama a Marxist is what you get,admitting he is Destroying the Country and getting ready to spend a Billion Dollars on Ads telling you its All your Fault,and the Best the Republicans can offer is ,LOOK Obama is admitting we are worse off!
You would think they would say Americans who Pay the Bills our responsible citizens and Pay their taxes ,worship their God ,fight and Die for their Country,donate for the Poor and sick ARE NOT RIGHT WING EXTREMISTS!!THEY ARE AMERICANS That have been sold out
If you think the people down on Wall St. in New York and in all the Other Cities across the Country demonstrating are the Real America show me the Interview where one of them says I love My country,show me one holding an American Flag High and saying we need to get back to Personal RESPONSIBILITY,hard work and to getting rid of Lying marxist Politicians preying on the Ignorance and stupidity of the American People,it would be nice if one of the parties did NOT appeal to the Lowest of Human emotions Jealousy,envy and Greed.


17 posted on 10/05/2011 3:28:04 AM PDT by ballplayer
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: behzinlea

I’m with you. If Spot the Dog is the Republican nominee, he has my vote.


18 posted on 10/05/2011 3:39:14 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek (He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadow of the Almighty Psalm 91:)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: neverdem
And I'll hold fast to this principle come the general election. This means supporting the Republican nominee whoever he may be.

i.e. Romney. And that isn't going to work because you have to give people a reason to go to the polls. And Obama-lite isn't a reason.

Like it or not, the presidential slate is the major election draw. Romney's coattails are going to be threadbare. So all estimations of congressional & senate seats gained are going to have to be dialed back, way back. That's because hardly anyone is enthused about Romney. Hell, even the 'Gerald Ford wing' woulda' rather had Chris Christie. I'm afraid that we're going to have to work like hell just to hang onto the seats we have now if Romney is the nominee.

19 posted on 10/05/2011 3:51:10 AM PDT by elli1
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: napscoordinator

“Ricardo Perry?” Please get your head out of your posterior. The country is swimming in trillions of dollars in debt and the folks who elected the people who did this were not illegal immigrants you jackwagon!

The people who caused this mess are you...Those who can vote but confuse ideological puruty with what is better for the country. You think a President McCain would have appointed a Sottemeyer or a Kagan. I can forgive liberals their ignorance but I am sick of so-called conservatives saying, in essence, “if I can’t get my ideologically pure candidate, screw the country I won’t vote RINO.” You’re the reason we have Obama. Your rabid and ill-informed xenophobia has only hastened this countries decline. Thanks a lot. Reading posts like yours sickens me. Have you no idea what is at stake in 2012? Let me be clear lest you think I am a RINO, if there were one Republican I believe would be best in the White House (of current or perspective candidates) it would be Palin. I was touting her before 2008 when you were probably posting about the end of the US as a result of the proposed Bush amnesty.Well done. Thanks a million...or should I say trillion as your inability to support the anti-Obama resulted in the near ruination of this country. But don’t worry, with your attitude (and others like you) you can get exactly what you want, the re-election of Obama, total immigrant amnesty, higher taxes, less freedom, liberty, and opportunity and the continuing decline of this once great nation. However, you can smile as the IRS takes your last dollar and tell them you wouldn’t even consider voting for Ricardo Perry. You are beneath my contempt.


20 posted on 10/05/2011 3:57:07 AM PDT by Vevey
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: Vevey

It is not my fault that we have Obama....I held my nose and voted for McCain. However, McCain is not nearly as bad as Ricardo Perry and Romney.....I won’t make that mistake again. As for purity, you damn right I want purity especially since we have four extremely great conservative candidates to chose from.....Cain, Bachmann, Santorum and soon Palin. So you are the pathetic Republican who throws a RINO at us and expect us to vote for them.....no thank you. And your stupid “illegal aliens are not the problem” is so stupid that I am stunned that you would even type something like that. You can have your alien lover Perry and vote for him....go ahead obviously you are an alien lover too. You disgust me!!!!!!!


21 posted on 10/05/2011 4:03:38 AM PDT by napscoordinator
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: elli1

Nicely said. Why not buy your Hope and Change bumper sticker now.


22 posted on 10/05/2011 4:04:49 AM PDT by Vevey
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: behzinlea
Neither Perry nor Romney should be the nominee.

Perry is merely a different face of the same GOP Establishment coin. He is Bush's "compassionate conservative" moderate vrs the liberal wing of the GOP in Romney. It's the 2000 McCain vrs Bush fight all over again.

Perry is Romney lite. Like Bush he is another social conservative/political moderate talking tough to win the GOP primary. He will then go to DC and be a good little Establishment water-boy just like Bush.

The difference between Perry and Romney is which issues they will choose to focus on. Perry will be a staunch social conservative big spending, crony capitalist, Romney will be a social liberal, big spending, big government crony capitalist.

When give the choice of either Romney or Perry, Conservatives should say "neither".

23 posted on 10/05/2011 4:06:48 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: Vevey
Neither Perry nor Romney should be the nominee.

Perry is merely a different face of the same GOP Establishment coin. He is Bush's "compassionate conservative" moderate vrs the liberal wing of the GOP in Romney. It's the 2000 McCain vrs Bush fight all over again.

Perry is Romney lite. Like Bush he is another social conservative/political moderate talking tough to win the GOP primary. He will then go to DC and be a good little Establishment water-boy just like Bush.

The difference between Perry and Romney is which issues they will choose to focus on. Perry will be a staunch social conservative big spending, crony capitalist, Romney will be a social liberal, big spending, big government crony capitalist.

When give the choice of either Romney or Perry, Conservatives should say "neither".

24 posted on 10/05/2011 4:08:20 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: napscoordinator

Neither Perry nor Romney should be the nominee.

Perry is merely a different face of the same GOP Establishment coin. He is Bush’s “compassionate conservative” moderate vrs the liberal wing of the GOP in Romney. It’s the 2000 McCain vrs Bush fight all over again.

Perry is Romney lite. Like Bush he is another social conservative/political moderate talking tough to win the GOP primary. He will then go to DC and be a good little Establishment water-boy just like Bush.

The difference between Perry and Romney is which issues they will choose to focus on. Perry will be a staunch social conservative big spending, crony capitalist, Romney will be a social liberal, big spending, big government crony capitalist.

When give the choice of either Romney or Perry, Conservatives should say “neither”


25 posted on 10/05/2011 4:09:13 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: MNJohnnie

Very well said!!!!! Just say no to Perry and Romney!!!! I truly believe that Palin will announce soon and that will make all these other candidates mute anyway.


26 posted on 10/05/2011 4:11:30 AM PDT by napscoordinator
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: Ronin

Cain, Perry and Sarah agree to meet to decide which of the three will challenge Romney for the nomination. To tell the truth, I think that most FReepers have their preference among the three — but I also think that most FReepers could support one of those three with considerable enthusiasm.

Wrong!!!! I will not support illegal alien lover Perry under any circumstances. However, Cain and Palin discussing your scenario, I can support.


27 posted on 10/05/2011 4:14:25 AM PDT by napscoordinator
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: napscoordinator

Oh you “held your nose” and voted for McCain. Why not simply state: “I am completely insignicant and confuse posting on Free Republic with doing something to help our country.” Did you contribute $? Did you walk a precinct? Did you try to change the minds of your friends, co-workers, etc. What did you do other than vote (relatively meaningless) and post (absolutely meaningless) to try and change the election’s outcome. Where we agree is that in the primaries we should choose an extremely great conservative candidate (since Bachman hasn’t a chance of winning the general election and Santorum couldn’t even hold his seat in Penn., it’s kind of nutty to tag either as “extremely great”). But whether or not I love immigrants (e.g., Marco Rubio’s parents), the prize is removing the immigrant in the Whitr House. My friend, I ask you to keep your eye on that prize and if it means compromising once the Republicans select a candidate, please, please, please pour your heart into ridding this nation of the most poisonous man to ever hold the presidency.


28 posted on 10/05/2011 4:16:32 AM PDT by Vevey
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: napscoordinator

It’s moot not mute.


29 posted on 10/05/2011 4:20:12 AM PDT by Vevey
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: Vevey

Thanks.


30 posted on 10/05/2011 4:22:16 AM PDT by napscoordinator
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: Vevey

One thing we agree on is that this is the primaries and this is where we discuss our differences. Sure I could have done more for McCain....I will admit that. And once we have our nomination than of course I will support the nominee, but that does not mean that at least on this site I won’t give my opinion on a particular candidate. That is 100 percent something I will do regardless of who I piss off for a particular moment.


31 posted on 10/05/2011 4:26:39 AM PDT by napscoordinator
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies]

To: neverdem

The reason for Bachman’s rise and fall, Perry’s meteoric rise and fall and now Cain’s rise is because the conservatives are searching for a standard bearer. As each candidate gains support by being “the most conservative” and then loses it by exposing something previously unknown about themselves... the conservatives shift. Cain is currently the man, despite his lack of political leadership, because he is the strongest conservative still standing. This portends very well for Palin... and I can’t wait.


32 posted on 10/05/2011 4:40:36 AM PDT by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: neverdem

I have a question regarding delegates that maybe somebody here can answer.

Let’s say at the end of the primary season there are 2 contenders, A and B, with close to equal amount of delegates, but neither having the winning number.

Let’s also say there’s a third candidate C still in the race but obviously out of the running with a chunk of delegates that could put either of the 2 front-runners over the top.

If candidate C says to his own delegates: “I direct all of you to vote for candidate B”, what happens next?

Are the delegates of candidate C required to vote for candidate B? Are they very likely to vote for candidate B?

How much influence does candidate C have over what his own delegates will do if he clearly can’t win at the convention?

Thanks.


33 posted on 10/05/2011 4:42:47 AM PDT by samtheman (Palin. In your heart you know she's right.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: napscoordinator

Sorry for being so harsh. I was pissed off. I’m 50. Parents immigrated (legally) when I was 2. Love America and so despise Obama and everything for which he stands (sophistry, mediocrity, Euro-fawning, racial politics) that I go beserk when we target Republicans with whom we differ rather than focus on removing from the White House the single greatest “home grown” threat to our republic since Benedict Arnold.


34 posted on 10/05/2011 4:44:43 AM PDT by Vevey
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies]

To: neverdem

We CONSERVATIVES will not give you jack sh!t. Conservatives vote CONSERVATIVE... IF the elite force a rino on us... we walk to a third party... then it is YOUR FAULT LIBERAL (to the elite party leaders and money bag-men).

LLS


35 posted on 10/05/2011 4:45:39 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Is the person that you support a Crony Capitalist... A.K.A. CRAPITALIST?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Ronin

I like the idea of Cain, Perry and Palin getting together for some kind strategy session.

I don’t know about the poker.

However, I have to admit, it would be one heck of an interesting game and I’d definitely watch it.


36 posted on 10/05/2011 4:46:42 AM PDT by samtheman (Palin. In your heart you know she's right.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: neverdem

Right on man. If R’s nominate Romney, another moderate like McCain, we lose in 2012. We need a supermajority in the house and senate and a constitutionalist president who has the guts, conviction, fiscal know-how, and leadership qualities to clean house and restore our republic. So far I like what I’m seeing with Herman Cain.


37 posted on 10/05/2011 4:52:51 AM PDT by Frenetic74 (Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear - not absence of fear. - Mark Twain)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: neverdem
There's a simple reason for it---Christine O'Donnell syndrome. The Tea Party seems to think that all you need to win is someone with no experience who takes the right positions.

In reality, a lot of people are pragmatists, and quite impure in their conservatism. Superficiality also plays a factor in voting decisions.

Hence, if the Tea Party wants to win, they need an experienced candidate who people will believe can win, and can govern. This person should have the ability to gain the trust of enough voters, and be reasonably well-liked. And ideally, this candidate is as conservative as can be found with all the above traits and abilities.

If you look at the GOP field, you'll notice there is no such candidate running. And the weakest candidates are the Tea Party candidates--Bachmann and Cain.

38 posted on 10/05/2011 4:53:48 AM PDT by Huck (Save a pretzel for the gas jets!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Vevey

Totally understand and agree we have to rid ourselves of that creep in the White House. Have a great day!!!!!!


39 posted on 10/05/2011 4:55:30 AM PDT by napscoordinator
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 34 | View Replies]

To: nathanbedford

In my humble opinion, a Romney nomination will guarantee a strong 3rd party and a Dem win. (and the death of the Republican Party)

Very very bad choice.

I would rather Rick Perry stay Governor of Texas. But, I am not anti-Rick. He is NOT a LIB. He never has been.

The best outcome could be a strong non-DC candidate selected at the Convention. It could happen.

I cannot and will not vote for Romney.....For anything, ever.


40 posted on 10/05/2011 5:00:27 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: nathanbedford
The problem is not in the stars but in ourselves.

We have met the enemy ... and he is us.

When you examine the political sensibilities of the 129 million votes cast for POTUS (yea, on the Dem side some have voted more than once and some dead miraculously continue to vote), you can see how a Juan McQueeg wins a GOP primary. There is plenty of time to filter out the field but we do need to get some momentum building for the ABR conservative candidate.

41 posted on 10/05/2011 5:02:11 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: neverdem; P-Marlowe; wmfights; betty boop

This author laments conservatives dividing the vote and giving the primary to Romney. He says he’s as conservative as anyone and more than most.

He ends the article by saying that we need to choose the lesser of 2 evils no matter who the Republican nominee is. Therefore, a vote for Romney, in his mind, is a vote cast the right way.

Claptrap.

A vote for Romney is a vote for the establishment to continue manipulating conservatives.

A vote for a third party candidate is a warning shot across the establishment’s bow.

I will NOT for any reason vote for Romney. I will vote the the sane, pro-life conservative who is running for president.


42 posted on 10/05/2011 5:12:29 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: napscoordinator
Your thoughts on this?
43 posted on 10/05/2011 5:18:37 AM PDT by ASA Vet (Natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. De Vattel)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: Huck
And the weakest candidates are the Tea Party candidates--Bachmann and Cain.

By what measure do you say that? There is no central national Tea Party (yet). An the weaker candidates may have been early to seek Tea Party endorsement but some of the stronger candidates have been more cautious to court them openly. The effect of the Tea Party movement (if you want to call it that) will decide this election and the future of the country. It is about Patriots stepping forward. And don't ever underestimate the old grey eagles.

44 posted on 10/05/2011 5:19:21 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 38 | View Replies]

To: lentulusgracchus
"I think that's her strategy -- stay out, conserve her money, limp-leg the Mediabot calumnies, and then join at the latest opportunity possible, all the while taking the risk that the support will go elsewhere and commit to, say, Perry or Cain."

It puts everything on winning Iowa. Everything. And she has to be in before the end of this month.

45 posted on 10/05/2011 5:23:08 AM PDT by StAnDeliver (/)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: Texas Fossil

The least experienced candidates are the Tea Party favorites. A congresswoman with nothing special about her record. A corporate franchise operator who couldn’t get a win in a GA primary. Ideology trumps everything else, it seems. Christine O’Donnell syndrome.


46 posted on 10/05/2011 5:28:22 AM PDT by Huck (Save a pretzel for the gas jets!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 44 | View Replies]

To: Huck
The Tea Party seems to think that all you need to win is someone with no experience who takes the right positions.

LOL! Well put! People are looking for someone whom they perceive to be free of the evil influences of a political career, and thus "like them" and pure, but the problem is that even if such a person could get elected, they would be incapable of governing because they simply wouldn't know how to get things done.

Obama had little real experience in running things but a fair amount of experience in dirty politics, and that's still all he knows how to do. But he came in with an entire hidden ideological team behind him, setting the policies he was supposed to follow, and he treated the US government just as if it were the Chicago machine. He managed to get a lot of the ideological programs through because he simply ignored constitutional US political procedure and stuck to his Chicago background, where everything was decided behind the scenes and pushed through the public approval process using bribery and intimidation. So political experience, for better or for worse, is essential. Maybe next time we can get somebody who respects our process, doesn't think he's king, etc....but still, a candidate can't be a babe in the woods politically.

The problem with any GOP candidate who has actually held any major position or engaged in election politics is that there will be something that can be used as a "gotcha" moment to prove that they are not as purely conservative as that innocent little candidate of people's dreams. I think one of the reasons Palin left the governorship was that she was considering a run in the future and wanted to put some distance between herself and her political past so that she wouldn't have to be running on her record (which was a good one, but I'm sure had things that could be twisted).

I think we've got to keep projecting the principles that actually attract people: a free economy, a free society with small governhment, support for traditional US family and social standards, etc. That's what Reagan did, but certainly on a day-to-day basis, he made a lot of pragmatic decisions that would now get people screaming that he was a RINO.

47 posted on 10/05/2011 5:42:57 AM PDT by livius
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 38 | View Replies]

To: lentulusgracchus
can't see Palin staying out. With Michele Bachmann's campaign in trouble, Palin might jump in and try to start a stampede among the conservatives to overreach the RiNO. I think that's her strategy -- stay out, conserve her money, limp-leg the Mediabot calumnies, and then join at the latest opportunity possible, all the while taking the risk that the support will go elsewhere and commit to, say, Perry or Cain.

Yes.. I will post more below as to what I think she is up to and we are simpatico in many regards. FWIW, I don't think Romney can handle her in a debate, He will look to slick and polished aka the annuity salesman, and the general public doesn't get how fierce she is, go look at the grainy videos of her in the Alaska Governor debates on YouTube. IMHO she is lying in the tall grass like a mountain lion waiting to pounce in the debates. She will shock many with her command of the facts and her wit. She will not be the Tina Fey stereotype. IMHO Once the veneer is off of Romney he will sink like a stone...

IMHO here is what I think she is doing, Ergo the Talking to the Cow 1st in IOWA instead of the Media....

* The Lame Streams are trying to pick our Candidate again..
* With that as a given she is letting them slug it out and isn't going to play that game, GOP circular Firing squad, and they have already hit one another...
* They will try to give us Romney or Perry, but per above Perry is already toast..
* She jumps in as the Conservative Alternative to go along get along RINOism that many here and by extension all Tea Party types are sick of.
* As of now Herman Cain would make an excellent VP with his CEO Turn Around Expert Experience, man he is impressive...
* By doing so she does not get caught in the lamestreams undertow, and follows Sun Tzu'sadvice that (paraphrasing here) the General that picks his battlefield rather than fight on the battlefield of his adversary and picks it his or her terms if you will, has already won.
* Her enemy is not time out of the race, but time in as the lamestreams try again to destroy her and her family like they have tried since 2008, they are now all battle proven. especially little Piper.
* They didn't destroy her family they only made them stronger..

Again Reagan's concept of bright colors not muted pastels, Rush gets this, and this is why they ( Liberals and North East, Blue hair, martini sipping, Country Club, Check Pants, RINO Republicans) fear her, she is not muted...

IMHO the day she announces my guess she is flooded with volunteers and the money coming in crashes the receiving source on line, they won't have the bandwidth for it, my guess 10 to 40 million donated day one...

48 posted on 10/05/2011 5:45:35 AM PDT by taildragger (( Palin / Mulally 2012 ))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: xzins

I think that we have to look at a candidate’s overall record. There will always be individual issues, or rather the handling of individual issues, that we disagree with, but it has to have an overall conservative pattern.

There is nothing conservative about Romney. He’s big-government, managed economy, not pro-life, not pro-family, evasive about his views on a lot of things, and I cannot see how the GOP can even consider him.


49 posted on 10/05/2011 5:46:52 AM PDT by livius
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 42 | View Replies]

To: LibLieSlayer

A frickin men!


50 posted on 10/05/2011 5:48:42 AM PDT by rintense (Polls are for strippers and cross country skiing. ~ Sarah Palin, 9.3.11)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 35 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-92 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson