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Windows Phone Gains, Makes Up One-Third of HTC Sales
Forbes ^ | 9/30/2011 | Forbes

Posted on 10/05/2011 6:44:35 AM PDT by SmokingJoe

HTC said Windows Phone devices make up 30 percent of its sales, as Microsoft begins gaining ground in the mobile market.

The Taiwanese phone maker is betting Microsoft’s platform will be a big part of its future plans and expect the number of Windows phones sold to go up.

“We believe that Windows Phone 7 will eventually be better than other platforms and will give Android a run for its money,” said HTC’s manager in Singapore, Melvin Chua.

Microsoft believes its platform has made good progress since its launch last year, and the Mango update builds on that success. Mango contains more than 500 changes to the company’s original OS and was released this week to AT&T users who own a Windows Phone.

HTC also says Mango is a big deal for the young platform. The company said it has a positive forecast for the future of Windows Phone because it has not only seen excitement from customers, but also from its own employees in developing devices for it.

Samsung is also dedicating more of its resources to the Windows phone. The South Korean electronics giant inked a deal with Microsoft that settles the companies patent dispute, as well as assures more Windows powered Samsung smartphones in the near future.

Along with phone makers, analysts also expect big things out of Windows Phone in the future. More than 40 percent of smartphone owners, and those who intend to buy one, are considering purchasing a Windows Phone 7 device, according to a report from Connected Intelligence.

(Excerpt) Read more at forbes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events; Technical
KEYWORDS: android; htc; microsoft; windowsphone7
No surprise there. HTC are the only guys that have a Windows Phone 7 phone on Verizon, Sprint and T-Mobile (one phone on each carrier).Samsung and LG only have a Windows Phone 7 phone on AT & T.
1 posted on 10/05/2011 6:44:36 AM PDT by SmokingJoe
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To: SmokingJoe

Source

Not so sure that I buy this article. These are the 2Q 2011 marketshare results.

2 posted on 10/05/2011 6:58:31 AM PDT by Hodar ( Who needs laws; when this FEELS so right?)
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To: SmokingJoe

Oh yeah - gotta get me one of them thar winders phones - gotta have my paper clip - “it looks like you’re trying to order a pizza.” LOL.


3 posted on 10/05/2011 7:01:57 AM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: SmokingJoe

My wife has a Samsung Windows phone. How would I be able to tell if the new Mango software has downloaded?


4 posted on 10/05/2011 7:06:09 AM PDT by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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To: saganite

To see if her phone has Mango, look in Settings/About, then look under Software. If she has Mango, it should read: “Software: Windows Phone 7.5.” If not, I think it will say “Software: Windows Phone 7.0.” When Mango first started rolling out (September 27th I think), I didn’t get any notification that an update was available. Then I found out that only about 10% of customers should expect to get Mango in the first round. I was impatient, but I found out how to force a download ahead of my scheduled time by going to www.wpcentral.com and following their instructions, so my Samsung Focus is now running on Mango, yay.


5 posted on 10/05/2011 7:31:06 AM PDT by Texan Tory (Herman Cain for president. Because sometimes it does take a rocket scientist.)
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To: Hodar

HTC is about 6-7% of the worldwide smartphone market, and since they’re about the only vendor making Windows Phone devices right now, it makes sense - your graph kind of shows it as well.

We’ll see how it shakes out when the monster that is Nokia starts shipping Windows Phone devices. Most of that green Symbian chunk will transfer over to Microsoft’s gray, for a combined 22-24% of the market.


6 posted on 10/05/2011 8:16:32 AM PDT by FromTheSidelines ("everything that deceives, also enchants" - Plato)
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To: Texan Tory

Thanks! Found it and she’s still running 7.0. I guess we’ll wait until the download shows up. Do you notice any real differences?


7 posted on 10/05/2011 8:25:56 AM PDT by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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To: FromTheSidelines

Samsung also makes a Windows phone, the Focus. My wife has one. There was an article I read recently called 10 company names that will die out this year and Nokia was on that list.


8 posted on 10/05/2011 8:30:47 AM PDT by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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To: saganite

Just updated my wife’s Samsung Focus last night. So I haven’t had a chance to tinker too much. The few things I have noticed so far:
Groups for contacts. Nice
The alarm clock snooze is now 15 minutes, not 5 minutes. May seem very minor, but this is huge as the 5 minute snooze was infuriating. ;)
They renamed the Orange theme to Mango. Wow!

The real test will be the wife test. in one week — If I do not hear any griping, it passes. If I hear even faint praise, it’s a touchdown!


9 posted on 10/05/2011 8:34:29 AM PDT by Spruce
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To: FromTheSidelines

I just don’t have much faith in MSFT anymore. They are consistently late to market - with every single product they make. Can you even remember a time when any MSFT OS has released in the same year it was promised?

Win Mobile died, Vista was a disaster, Win7 is essentially a full-price patched version of Vista, Mango is an update to a mobile OS that is a year late, and adds functionality that barely match what Android had last year. One of MSFT’s biggest problem is ‘perception’. It has earned a reputation for ‘arrogance’ in every market it has entered.

Let me clarify. XBox360, plauged with ‘Red Ring of Death’ - was known and understood prior to laungh. MSFT didn’t care; they foistered flawed consoles to customers - and it cost them billions. Vista was a lemon, MSFT knew this before launch, but they wanted revenue from the OS side of the house, so they tried (unsuccessfully) to kill XP in an effort to force sales of Visa; they then forced Win7 on us in an effort that was successful in killing XP. Win Mobile was abandoned for Win7 Mobile - again, late to market and feature-poor. The Xune was released late, killed, re-incarnated as the Xune HD, killed, revived and killed again. MSFT made the Kin 1 and the Kin 2 phones; these phones were released, and then cancelled within a year.

At what point do you think “Do I really want a 2 year contract with this company, when I can go with Android or iOS and have a stable, supported platform?”


10 posted on 10/05/2011 8:36:13 AM PDT by Hodar ( Who needs laws; when this FEELS so right?)
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To: saganite

“Do you notice any real differences?”

Well, I’m not a real ‘power user’ and I probably don’t use many of the features available to me, so there’s probably lots of cool things I’m not noticing, but I do like the enhanced voice to text capabilities. For example, I get frustrated typing text messages on the virtual keyboard because my oversized fingers hit the wrong keys all the time. With the Mango update, I can send a short text by pressing the microphone icon and vocalizing my message, and it’s pretty accurate at transcribing what I say. Another thing, I was playing with the built-in map application, and now you can get audible turn-by-turn navigation. If you turn correctly, you get a short series of ‘pleasant’ tones indicating you’re going the right way, and if you turn incorrectly, you get ‘negative’ tones and it tells you to tap anywhere on the display and it will recalculate your directions. I wouldn’t say it’s nearly as good as a dedicated navigation unit (such as garmin), but it does seem to work reasonably well. One other thing, I’m not really much into Facebook, but people who are might like how the Mango update sort of integrates Facebook directly into the smart phone.


11 posted on 10/05/2011 9:05:54 AM PDT by Texan Tory (Herman Cain for president. Because sometimes it does take a rocket scientist.)
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To: Hodar

Huh? This article is from. Forbes, a reputable business publication, and it gives a direct quote from HTC, which says that Windows Phone already accounts for 30 % of their smartphone sales.
And you don’t buy it? Just who the heck are you? Are you a top executive at HTC? And are you saying HTC is deliberately lying? And why the heck would they do that? You tell me.


12 posted on 10/05/2011 9:27:26 AM PDT by SmokingJoe
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To: SmokingJoe

http://www.slashgear.com/ballmer-admits-windows-phone-sales-have-disappointed-15180022/

http://blogs.computerworld.com/18241/true_windows_phone_7_2010_sales_were_less_than_675_000_warns_analyst

http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Mobile-and-Wireless/Microsofts-Windows-Phone-Sales-613-Million-at-Best-Report-238239/

So, to condense; Balmer admits sales disappointing, his bonus cut to half, they are simply not selling as well as they had hoped. The tech blogs have been far harsher - given a choice between a well supported iOS or Android phone; or the Window 7 Mango and a 2 year committment - I fail to see the attraction that MSFT brings to the table.

From an article:

“Nonetheless, sales totaling under $613 million would be anemic compared to those of Apple’s iPhone over a similar period, or even the combined family of Google Android devices”

It’s not unusual for a company to hype their product in the face of overwheming evidence to the contrary. Remember Palm and then HP hawking the whole WebOS experience? Same show, same pitch; different salesman.


13 posted on 10/05/2011 9:44:30 AM PDT by Hodar ( Who needs laws; when this FEELS so right?)
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To: saganite

Ahh, yes - forgot about the Focus.

I’d be VERY surprised if Nokia dies out. They’re the largest cellphone maker in the world, and absolutely OWN the Asian continent for both cellphones and smartphones. Something like 70% of India’s smartphone market is Nokia, and around 50% of China’s market.

And for all the sound and fury of iOS and Android, Symbian is still half - HALF - the world’s smartphone platform.

Nokia’s not going anywhere - they’re simply a massive juggernaut in the cellphone world.


14 posted on 10/05/2011 9:45:14 AM PDT by FromTheSidelines ("everything that deceives, also enchants" - Plato)
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To: FromTheSidelines

Here’s the related article

10. Nokia

Nokia is dead. Shareholders are just waiting for an undertaker. The world’s largest handset company has one asset. Nokia sold 25% of the global total of 428 million units sold in the first quarter. Its problem is that in the industry the company is viewed as a falling knife. Its market share in the same quarter of 2010 was nearly 31%. The arguments that Nokia will not stay independent are numerous. It has a very modest presence in the rapidly growing smartphone industry which is dominated by Apple, Research In Motion’s Blackberry, HTC, and Samsung. Nokia runs the outdated Symbian operating system and is in the process of changing to Microsoft’s Windows mobile OS, which has a tiny share of the market.

Nokia would be an attractive takeover target to a large extent because the cost to “buy” 25% of the global handset market would only be $22 billion based on Nokia’s current market cap. Obviously, a buyer would need to pay a premium, but even $30 billion is within reach of several companies. Potential buyers would start with HTC, the fourth largest smartphone maker in the world. Its sales have doubled in both the last quarter and the last year. HTC will sell as many as 80 million handsets in 2011. The Taiwan-based company’s challenge would be whether it could finance such a large deal. The other three likely bidders do not have that problem. Microsoft, which is Nokia’s primary software partner, could easily buy the company and is often mentioned as a suitor. The world’s largest software company recently moved further into the telecom industry though its purchase of VoIP giant Skype, which has 170 million active customers. Two other large firms have many reasons to buy Nokia. Samsung, part of one of the largest conglomerates in Korea, has publicly set a goal to be the No.1 handset company in the world by 2014. The parent company is the largest in South Korea with revenue in 2010 of $134 billion. A buyout of Nokia would launch Samsung into the position as the world’s handset leader. LG Electronics, the 7th largest company in South Korea, with sales of $48 billion, is by most measures the third largest smartphone company. It has the scale and balance sheet to takeover Nokia. The only question about the Finland-based company is whether a buyer would maintain the Microsoft relationship or change to the popular Android OS to power Nokia phones.

http://finance.yahoo.com/family-home/article/112989/brands-disappear-2012-247;_ylt=AlMLieZCkufI0q8JY8MdT3RO7sMF;_ylu=X3oDMTE5dDVnbjNyBHBvcwMyBHNlYwN3ZWVrZW5kRWRpdGlvbgRzbGsDMTBicmFuZHN0aGF0


15 posted on 10/05/2011 9:50:31 AM PDT by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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To: Hodar

What a load of rubibish!
Windows 7 is by far the fastest selling OS in history, with over 350 million copies sold already (as far back as April). Nothing Apple or Google have produced has ever sold so well. Not the iPhone, not the iPad, not Android phones
As for the XBOX 360, it continues to clobber the Wii and the PS3 every month in NPD monthly sales figures and Kinect is smoking the PS3 Move in sales .


16 posted on 10/05/2011 10:02:45 AM PDT by SmokingJoe
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To: Hodar

Still spewing out garbage I see. The article I posted, said that HtC says that Windows Phone accounts for 30% of their smartphone sales. You turned round and in effect saiid that was a lie. So far. Nothing you have posted comes even close to proving that. I am still waiting.


17 posted on 10/05/2011 10:10:30 AM PDT by SmokingJoe
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To: SmokingJoe

Me - htc evo. I like the phone.
Xbox 360 - I like them and have 2 as well as family plan for xbox live.

At office - win7 laptop...nice
My enterprise software - moving from Windows/SQL infrastructure to Linux/Oracle stack. Just runs much better


18 posted on 10/05/2011 10:14:55 AM PDT by techworker
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To: SmokingJoe

Take a deep breath, relax.

What the heck do you expect a 3rd tier phone supplier to say? “Gee, our phones sure suck; and we are stuck with a series of lemon mobile OS’s?” No, they are going to talk ‘up’ their product, despite the reality that their products are NOT being accepted by the market at the rates they claimed.

This isn’t the first time this song has played. We heard this song with the much ballyhoo’d HP Slate running Win7 Mobile. Ok, project cancelled and a year later re-launched running Android. Got it’s butt handed to them by iPad2 - now it’s on the heap with the other ‘over-hyped’ Blackberry Playbook, Folio, Samsung Galaxy, Motorola Xoom and others. They each boasted about how they were going to take over the market.

Time will tell. So, if you like Win Mobile Mango; by all means run out in a buying frenzy and purchase a dozen. Good luck with that.

Meanwhile, while everyone else is taking things to the Cloud for seamless synching - you can enjoy Multi-tasking on your shiny new Mango. Maybe in 2-3 years you will have what iOS and Android users have today; assuming MSFT doesn’t drop this, like the Kin phones, Zune and their Courier Tablet.

Fool me once, shame on you ....


19 posted on 10/05/2011 10:39:56 AM PDT by Hodar ( Who needs laws; when this FEELS so right?)
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To: Hodar

Still beating about the bush and avoiding the question are are ya? You made the assertion, you back it up.
What do I expect a “3rd tier” supplier to say?
# 1. HTC is no “3 rd tier” to nobody. They are the second biggest Android smart phone makers on the planet, behind only the mighty Samsung. HTC’s sales, profits and market cap have exploded over the last couple of years, having overtaken even Nokia in market cap. The HTC EVO 4G is arguably superior to any iPhone.
# 2. HTC sell more Android phones than Windows phones, so why on earth would they say 30% of their smart phone sales are Windows phones if that is not the case? They are making much more money from Androids, no?


20 posted on 10/05/2011 2:08:02 PM PDT by SmokingJoe
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To: SmokingJoe
# 1. HTC is no “3 rd tier” to nobody

Not according to this graph, Apple is #1, Blackberry is #2, and HTC is, indeed, on the 3rd tier. Unless you prefer binary, in which case HTC is 0011b.

# 2. HTC sell more Android phones than Windows phones, so why on earth would they say 30% of their smart phone sales are Windows phones if that is not the case?

The same reason that Blackberry said that the Playbook was an iPad killer, like the HP Slate, the Folio, Dell's version, and finally Microsoft Courier were all built, hyped and then ultimately cancelled. You hype a product in the hopes that some number of the public will buy your product. MSFT did the same thing with Verizon with the Kin 1 and Kin 2 phones. You talk about how many you built (not how few sold), you express optimism and how bright the future is going to be. Then, when your hype ends with a financial analysis; you tuck your tail between your legs and walk away (Kin 1, Kin 2, Zune, Zune HD, etc) and people who bought your sack of goods are stuck with unsupported hardware.

Windows Mobile Mango has failed to meet any of it's sales goals; in fact it's sales goals (which took into account Android and iOS growth) have been missed by 50%. That is, in layman's terms, bad news. MSFT failed to release Win Mobile on time, it was delivered a year later than promised to developers, and if that wasn't bad enough, another 6 months passed before they released the software development kit (SDK) for people to write software for their phone.

When they did release it; they did it with an embarassing parade of hearses with mock-ups of the iPhone, Android and Blackberry in coffins. That is simply humiliating; as an engineer I would have called in sick to avoid the global embarassment of being a part of that spectacle. The days of the world holding their breath for MSFT are over. MSFT has not only failed to inovate, they have failed to copy well.

In a year or two, they will be where Apple will be on the 12th, and where Android will be in 6 months. In the meanwhile, enjoy your MSFT phone, enjoy the 100's of apps in your store. Enjoy it now, and hopefully you'll have even more in a year or so - or you will be the proud owner of a 'collectable' Windows phone when MSFT decides it's lost enough and walks away.

21 posted on 10/06/2011 5:48:30 AM PDT by Hodar ( Who needs laws; when this FEELS so right?)
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