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Opinion Chris Christie's Out and the Big Winner Is Herman Cain
FOX News ^ | 10/04/11 | Doug Schoen

Posted on 10/05/2011 8:48:50 AM PDT by freespirited

New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie's decision not to run for president is predictable and offers the possibility of changing the dynamic of the Republican primary election. With Florida, South Carolina, Nevada and New Hampshire all moving up the dates of their primaries and caucuses, it simply became impossible and impractical to raise the money and organize campaigns in those states in the less than 100 days that remain.

In the long term, the renewed speculation about Gov. Christie's candidacy can only raise his profile nationally as well as his stature in New Jersey where poll numbers have been steadily climbing in recent week. but the big news and the big story -- which has yet to be reported -- is what this announcement Tuesday means for the remaining nine candidates competing for the nomination.

And the big winner today is Herman Cain. Cain is the winner because he's the only candidate climbing in the in polls. In the Fox News poll released last week and the Washington Post poll released Monday, Cain is surging, more than doubling his prior level of support up to 16 or 17 percent.

Rick Perry has seen his support plummet. and Perry is now in an effective statistical tie with Cain for second place.

The front runner, Mitt Romney is at about 25 %, has been at 25% and shows no signs of being able to grow beyond twenty-five percent.

In plain English, he's stuck.

Another way to put it is that 3 in 4 Republican voters are not considering voting for a man who ran last time and has been the most visible and active and aggressive of the candidates competing now for the nomination.

(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...


TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: fantasy; hermancain; mittromney
As Doug points out, Romney is stuck at 25%. As people drop out, one of the candidates will consolidate conservative support and hopefully, best him.
1 posted on 10/05/2011 8:49:00 AM PDT by freespirited
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To: freespirited

It is Cain’s to lose now, and I hope he doesn’t.


2 posted on 10/05/2011 8:55:11 AM PDT by pallis
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To: freespirited
As people drop out, one of the candidates will consolidate conservative support and hopefully, best him.

But with the primaries moved up, who is going to drop out? Everyone will stay in and go for a "hail mary" until April 1.

That still puts Romney in front.

3 posted on 10/05/2011 8:55:13 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (FReepers assemble into a circular firing squad while Romney gets coronated.)
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To: freespirited

I like Cain and find him to be a savy candidate. However, we are on a fixed income and I did the math..under his 999 plan our personal income taxes will go UP over 30 dollars a month and toss that in with the 9% national tax on everything we purchase...(gas included?)along with the military cola’s frozen, soc sec hits and I am curious as to his take on that? prescriptions for military retirees also went up the first of Oct. We do pay medicare A and B too.


4 posted on 10/05/2011 8:57:18 AM PDT by katiedidit1
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To: freespirited

Sarah will be in mid- to late- next week or the following week at the latest, and then we will see things change. She will not announce before October 11. And no, I haven’t been tipping the brew this early this morning.


5 posted on 10/05/2011 8:58:27 AM PDT by CedarDave (My Sarah prediction: Announcing for President between October 12 and 28.)
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To: freespirited

Can you believe how Liberals will wif out if the Republicans nominate a Conservative Black Man? They will be jumping out of windows.


6 posted on 10/05/2011 9:01:16 AM PDT by Old Retired Army Guy
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To: katiedidit1

Did you include the payroll tax (SS etc..) tax in your calculation? Under Cain’s plan that is included in the 9% flat tax.

If you are self employed you pay 15.3% off the top in payroll taxes.

If you work for someone it is 7.65% (your employer also pays 7.65% for you, bringing it ot 15.3%).

The difference between 7.65% and 9% is only 1.35%. Are you sure you only paid 1.35% in federal income taxes last year?


7 posted on 10/05/2011 9:04:24 AM PDT by Brookhaven (Why Not Herman Cain?)
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To: Erik Latranyi

I expect the second tier candidates to run out of cash long before April 1. And when the handwriting is on the wall—for ex, when Bachmann bombs in Iowa—we will see drop outs.


8 posted on 10/05/2011 9:04:36 AM PDT by freespirited (Stupid people are ruining America. --Herman Cain)
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To: katiedidit1

We’re in the same predicament, retirees living on a pension check. 9-9-9 would cost us far more in taxes. It needs tweaking, at minimum.

But I am still not sure that Congress will ever let go of the mortgage, medical, and state tax deductions. All are way too popular.


9 posted on 10/05/2011 9:07:24 AM PDT by freespirited (Stupid people are ruining America. --Herman Cain)
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To: pallis
When Palin shows up to endorse Herb, the game will be over.
10 posted on 10/05/2011 9:07:49 AM PDT by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by Perry and his fellow democrats.)
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To: freespirited

It’s October. Palin has not announced she is running and I must therefore work on the assumption that she will not run.

I am now supporting Cain. He is doing better than I expected at this point, and as he gets more attention, I suspect the increase in name recognition will add to his poll numbers.

When Santorum and Bachmann drop out (right after Iowa is my guess), their support will go to Cain. Gingrich and Huntsman’s support will likely go to Romney, and Perry will pick up Johnson’s supporters. Paul will stay to the end.

New Hampshire will be an interesting run. It’s assumed that Romney will win there, in fact, it’s his firewall.

If Cain can survive past New Hampshire, January looks like his chance to make a serious move. South Carolina and Florida are right in his neighborhood and he should be at his best down there.


11 posted on 10/05/2011 9:12:59 AM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: Brookhaven

But people already retired on SS don’t pay in those SS payroll taxes and they pay no income tax on SS.

But with Cain’s plan they would have to pay 9% tax on their SS and pay 9% extra sales tax on everything they buy.

It has zero chance of ever passing, zero.


12 posted on 10/05/2011 9:17:55 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: freespirited

No, the big winner is Obama....


13 posted on 10/05/2011 9:21:38 AM PDT by Riodacat (And when all is said and done, there'll be a hell of a lot more said than done......)
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To: freespirited
Is there anyone running, in either party, worthy of standing in the same hall as these men?


14 posted on 10/05/2011 9:30:50 AM PDT by Riodacat (And when all is said and done, there'll be a hell of a lot more said than done......)
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To: freespirited

The fat guy has sung. The GOP primary opera is over. There are no curtain calls for anyone. Bring back the smoke filled rooms.


15 posted on 10/05/2011 9:43:35 AM PDT by ex-snook ("above all things, truth beareth away the victory")
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To: katiedidit1

“I like Cain and find him to be a savy candidate. However, we are on a fixed income and I did the math..under his 999 plan our personal income taxes will go UP over 30 dollars a month and toss that in with the 9% national tax on everything we purchase..”


9-9-9-Nein


16 posted on 10/05/2011 9:49:45 AM PDT by ex-snook ("above all things, truth beareth away the victory")
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To: freespirited

If he can stay the couse financially, here is something I hope he would repeal, as well as installing term limits for all Congress. I received it this AM. Cut and paste to all your friends:

Subject:Wages

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LIFE
Salary of House/Senate ..........................$174,000
FOR LIFE
Salary of Speaker of the House .............$223,500 FOR
LIFE
Salary of Majority/Minority Leaders ...... $193,400 FOR
LIFE
Average Salary of Soldier DEPLOYED IN AFGHANISTAN $38,000

Average income for SOCIAL SECURITY seniors $12,000

I think we found where the cuts should be made! If you
agree..Pass it on!


17 posted on 10/05/2011 9:53:53 AM PDT by Paperdoll (I like Herman Cain.)
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To: CedarDave

Ill drink to that... orange juice. ;>)


18 posted on 10/05/2011 9:55:05 AM PDT by Gator113 (Palin 2012, period.....)
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To: ex-snook

Liberal argument. Everyone pays the same percentage. It’s completely fair from top to bottom.

You don’t want to “pay your fair share”?


19 posted on 10/05/2011 9:57:44 AM PDT by o2bfree
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To: freespirited

ditto.


20 posted on 10/05/2011 10:02:37 AM PDT by ken21 (ruling class dem + rino progressives -- destroying america for 150 years.)
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To: katiedidit1

I like Cain and find him to be a savy candidate. However, we are on a fixed income and I did the math..under his 999 plan our personal income taxes will go UP over 30 dollars a month and toss that in with the 9% national tax on everything we purchase...(gas included?)along with the military cola’s frozen, soc sec hits and I am curious as to his take on that? prescriptions for military retirees also went up the first of Oct. We do pay medicare A and B too.


Do you have income other than SS? That is taxed. How about capital gains from selling off stocks in your portfolio?

What portion of your budget is spent on sales-taxed goods, versus gas, rent/mortgage, medical insurance, etc.?

Keep in mind that if you depend on government checks, you depend on the economy being functional, so that those of us whose taxes you receive will still be sending them in.

Where do you get that SS is income taxable under the 9-9-9 plan?

I’m speaking here on the assumption that you aren’t an anti-Cain “concern troll.” They would be saying about the same as you.


21 posted on 10/05/2011 10:02:45 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Author of BullionBible.com - Makes You a Precious Metal Expert, Guaranteed.)
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To: Paperdoll

Please stop posting what you have been advised is false.


22 posted on 10/05/2011 10:03:48 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Author of BullionBible.com - Makes You a Precious Metal Expert, Guaranteed.)
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To: freespirited

Romney has the financial backing of the Mormon church and the Establishment! Let us hope that Mr. Cain will enjoy the financial support of everyone else! I am willing to back him. Please, FReepers, jump on the Cain Train with your wallets full. God is giving us a second chance!


23 posted on 10/05/2011 10:04:38 AM PDT by Paperdoll (I like Herman Cain.)
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To: Beagle8U

But with Cain’s plan they would have to pay 9% tax on their SS


Why do you assume this?


24 posted on 10/05/2011 10:05:47 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Author of BullionBible.com - Makes You a Precious Metal Expert, Guaranteed.)
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To: Beelzebubba

Get thee behind me, Satan.


25 posted on 10/05/2011 10:07:13 AM PDT by Paperdoll (I like Herman Cain.)
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To: o2bfree

I’m against tax increases for me.


26 posted on 10/05/2011 10:07:32 AM PDT by ex-snook ("above all things, truth beareth away the victory")
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To: Beagle8U

Yes we do pay taxes on our SS if we have other income and not enough deductions to shelter us.


27 posted on 10/05/2011 10:11:32 AM PDT by Paperdoll (I like Herman Cain.)
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To: freespirited

9-9-9 is only a stepping stone to get to a pure ‘fair-tax’ system. Since our economy is based on consumption, taxing new goods and services directly impacts how fast or slow it moves. Raise tax to slow economy down...lower them to speed it up. There is a limit to how high you can raise them or otherwise stall the economy completely (essentially self-limiting). The beauty of this system is that the tax rate is directly proportional to economic growth. No hidden taxes. No loop holes. No protected classes at the expense of others.


28 posted on 10/05/2011 10:18:09 AM PDT by Frenetic74 (Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear - not absence of fear. - Mark Twain)
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29 posted on 10/05/2011 10:19:48 AM PDT by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: freespirited
For Cain to win the Primary, he has to make the issue socialized medicine, as in: "Who can you trust to kill Obamacare?

1. Romney, of Romneycare? or

2. Cain, the Hillary Care Slayer.

30 posted on 10/05/2011 10:24:59 AM PDT by sportutegrl
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To: freespirited

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P.O. Box 2158, Stockbridge, Georgia 30281. Please send immediately so it will show on the October 15 report quarter. Thank you.


31 posted on 10/05/2011 10:29:35 AM PDT by Paperdoll (I like Herman Cain.)
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To: Beelzebubba

We pay 1,300 a year each for medicare a and b deducted from our Social Security. Our main income in the military pension and under Cains plan our taxes on the military pension will go up. Pension was earned after 3 tours in Korea and 2 in Nam. Taking less wages than the civillian world would offer because of the perks...worked for less and under strenuous conditions. I resent paying more and having benefits cut and medicare UP under Obama and Panetta..but do not like the idea of higher taxes because of the cuts.


32 posted on 10/05/2011 10:38:32 AM PDT by katiedidit1
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To: Brookhaven

Yes, we pay taxes on the pension...where do people get the idea the military doesn’t pay taxes?


33 posted on 10/05/2011 10:40:08 AM PDT by katiedidit1
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To: pallis

I will absolutely stunned and shocked beyond belief if Cain gets the nomination. It will be Romney. Book it.

(BTW, Cain would be far better but the GOP isn’t known as the “Stupid Party” for nothing. Romney will be the one.)


34 posted on 10/05/2011 10:44:29 AM PDT by Wyatt's Torch (I can explain it to you. I can't understand it for you.)
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To: Beelzebubba

“•Business Flat Tax – 9% ◦Gross income less all investments, all purchases from other businesses and all dividends paid to shareholders. ◦Empowerment Zones will offer additional deductions for payroll employed in the zone. •Individual Flat Tax – 9%. ◦Gross income less charitable deductions. ◦Empowerment Zones will offer additional deductions for those living and/or working in the zone. •National Sales Tax – 9%. ◦This gets the Fair Tax off the sidelines and into the game.” http://www.hermancain.com/999plan Notice where it states indiv. income flat 9% tax on gross income with only charitable donations as deductible. That is where I got it, I read it off his website. I don’t see anything else on there that would exclude taxes on SS income.


35 posted on 10/05/2011 10:50:10 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: Beelzebubba

Believe me..I am NO anti Cain troll. Are your facts based on the 999 plan or on your own “math”? I never said that SS was our main source of income...I clearly stated the military pension is our main income and has already faced increases by the current administration. We pay more than 1.3% of our income in taxes and resent your implication that our life and expentency is on the govt dole. We have NEVER accepted one red cent in charity, food stamps or anything else and have worked in the private sector and made contributions. I am pointing out that we will pay 30 dollars a month MORE in personal income tax under Cain’s 999 plan and wondered if there were more details on this..I could be wrong and have checked Cain’s site. Where do you get your info that the military does not pay taxes?


36 posted on 10/05/2011 10:55:41 AM PDT by katiedidit1
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To: Beelzebubba

“•Business Flat Tax – 9% ◦Gross income less all investments, all purchases from other businesses and all dividends paid to shareholders. ◦Empowerment Zones will offer additional deductions for payroll employed in the zone. •Individual Flat Tax – 9%. ◦Gross income less charitable deductions. ◦Empowerment Zones will offer additional deductions for those living and/or working in the zone. •National Sales Tax – 9%. ◦This gets the Fair Tax off the sidelines and into the game.” http://www.hermancain.com/999plan Notice where it states indiv. income flat 9% tax on gross income with only charitable donations as deductible. That is where I got it, I read it off his website. I don’t see anything else on there that would exclude taxes on SS income.


37 posted on 10/05/2011 11:00:38 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: Wyatt's Torch

Well, ...I don’t have the best record for predicting who will win primary races, but I’m sticking with Cain on this one. Romney seems to be bottoming out exactly where he was the last time. The Tea Party makes this a whole new ballgame.


38 posted on 10/05/2011 12:10:53 PM PDT by pallis
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To: org.whodat

I don’t think she’ll be proposing the legalization of pot.

Perhaps you should be supporting Gary Johnson?


39 posted on 10/05/2011 12:51:20 PM PDT by moonhawk (Heartless Hobbit for Sarah...)
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To: Wyatt's Torch

Romney’s been holding steady at around 25% since 2008.

That hardly makes him a shoe-in.


40 posted on 10/05/2011 1:01:04 PM PDT by moonhawk (Heartless Hobbit for Sarah...)
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To: moonhawk

I understand and that’s why he’ll lose to Obama. Unless he makes a huge misstep he will be the nominee (even moreso thatalin is now out). I’m not at all saying I want this to be the case. I’m just saying that it will happen.


41 posted on 10/05/2011 3:50:05 PM PDT by Wyatt's Torch (I can explain it to you. I can't understand it for you.)
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To: Wyatt's Torch

No...

25% is why he won’t get the nomination.


42 posted on 10/05/2011 9:21:16 PM PDT by moonhawk (Heartless Hobbit for Sarah...)
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