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Amanda Knox: A Cautionary Tale
Townhall.com ^ | October 6, 2011 | Michael Reagan

Posted on 10/06/2011 5:41:05 AM PDT by Kaslin

From now on, parents who plan to send their children abroad to study in a foreign nation should sit them down in front of the TV set and watch replays of the Amanda Knox saga. It has all the elements of a true-to-life lesson in the dangers of turning young men and women barely out of their teens into innocents abroad.

Youngsters -- and many parents -- are clueless when it comes to the customs and laws in other countries that lack many of the safeguards which we Americans take for granted. They should study the Amanda Knox case. It is a clear warning that -- unlike here in the United State -- in many foreign countries the accused is automatically guilty until proven innocent.

Consider this: Amanda Knox spent four years in prison before being tried in court on charges that ultimately appear to have been baseless. Moreover, her chief accuser himself now faces trial and possible imprisonment for misconduct. She was made hostage to a system of justice where the accused is guilty until proven innocent and she was locked away until a trial in court could take place, which in Amanda's case took 48 long months behind bars. .

Four years in an Italian slammer -- four years of waiting for a trial and a chance to tell her side of the story!

It is said that ignorance of the law is not an excuse for violating the law. That's true here, but no consideration in given to Americans visiting foreign nations, who cannot be expected to understand all the ins and outs of the laws of those nations.

It is true that foreign travel is broadening. It can also be hazardous for young Americans born and bred in the best and fairest nation in the world, where the court system is designed to protect their rights and freedom of the citizenry -- an uncommon idea in many nations abroad.

I can readily understand why some parents believe that study abroad enhances their offspring's education. But I cannot understand how some parents can send their youngsters off to foreign counties to be on their own in a totally alien environment where many of the safeguards to their freedom, common here in the United States, simply do not exist. Many parents should consider accompanying their children on excursions abroad.

Parents need to wake up to the fact that the United States is the best and fairest country in the world. Our God-given freedom guaranteed by the Constitution is the reason why we have become the wealthiest nation in the word. Parents should educate themselves and their youngsters on the laws and customs of foreign nations before sending them abroad to study; otherwise they run the risk of losing them to an alien system of justice.

Amanda was lucky. You and your family might not be so lucky.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: arabic; catholic; parenting; rome; southern
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1 posted on 10/06/2011 5:41:08 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin
Amanda was lucky.

I'm guessing her family had vast resources to fight her case, hire Italian lawyers, make numerous trips to Italy, bribe the necessary officials, etc.

2 posted on 10/06/2011 5:45:26 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (Psalm 109:8 Let his days be few and let another take his office. - Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin)
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To: Kaslin

Ann Coulter would beg to differ.

Her September 7, 2011 column
http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2011-09-07.html


3 posted on 10/06/2011 5:45:42 AM PDT by NeilGus
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To: Kaslin

I thought that this was an appeal and not the trial which took place a couple of years ago.
Secondly, we have our own problems with Nifong type prosecutors, crooked cops and judges and stupid jurors.


4 posted on 10/06/2011 5:46:10 AM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: Kaslin

>>I can readily understand why some parents believe that study abroad enhances their offspring’s education<<

OMG, why?

So they can study to become socialists or elitists? We need to stop idolizing the Europeans. They are in FAR worse shape than we are.


5 posted on 10/06/2011 5:53:35 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice)
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To: Kaslin
....but no consideration in given to Americans visiting foreign nations...

Most Americans visiting foreign countries are not present when their roommate is slaughtered.

This woman knew exactly what happened and by her lies through her expensive attorneys knew full well the extent of her participation.

Foxy Knoxy got away with murder and even though the sentence would have been 26 years she'll live many more years than that with her conscience full of the horror she either participated in or knowingly abetted.

6 posted on 10/06/2011 5:55:00 AM PDT by IbJensen
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To: NeilGus

VERY interesting.
Guess mom and dad had enough money to spring her.


7 posted on 10/06/2011 5:56:47 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice)
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To: The Sons of Liberty

I heard they are not wealthy. They took out second and third mortgages, maxed out credit cards and are now deeply in debt.


8 posted on 10/06/2011 5:57:03 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: Kaslin
with due respect, Amanda Knox was not a child when she went to Italy. she was 20 years old. that's not a child. She should have known

I disagree with the theme of this article -- for instance if you want to study archaeology or paintings the best place IS Italy. Amanda Knox was learning Italian and the best way to learn a foreign language is to live in that country

9 posted on 10/06/2011 5:59:49 AM PDT by Cronos (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2787101/posts?page=58#58)
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To: netmilsmom

Somehow grandma had $150k to use for her defense. Parents both filed for bankruptcy I believe. Me I can’t even afford to send my kid to most colleges here in the states.


10 posted on 10/06/2011 6:00:39 AM PDT by McGruff (Vetting - The process of examination and evaluation of a candidate's record.)
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To: netmilsmom

Not necessarily. To really learn a foreign language as Amanda knox was doing, its best to live there.


11 posted on 10/06/2011 6:01:03 AM PDT by Cronos (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2787101/posts?page=58#58)
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To: ilovesarah2012
I heard they are not wealthy. They took out second and third mortgages, maxed out credit cards and are now deeply in debt.
What you "heard" doesn't mean a thing.
And even if true, the lawyers' bills would break the bank of most "wealthy" people, short of a Soros or a Donald Trump.
12 posted on 10/06/2011 6:02:31 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Cronos

>>Not necessarily. To really learn a foreign language as Amanda knox was doing, its best to live there.<<

We have people here in the states who are fluent in Italian. My Goddaughter learned Italian here.

Knox was formally studying Italian, German and Creative Writing. All of which can be found right here at home. Informally, she was studying how to party.


13 posted on 10/06/2011 6:10:57 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice)
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To: netmilsmom
So they can study to become socialists or elitists? We need to stop idolizing the Europeans. They are in FAR worse shape than we are.

My grandma took me to Europe at age 12 to visit relatives. Everyone was so poor, even the people who thought they were rich compared to others in their country! It didn't make me idolize Europeans - it made me completely against socialism. Maybe you have to be at least college-age to be dumb enough to fall for the socialist paradise myth, even when confronted with the facts.

14 posted on 10/06/2011 6:12:11 AM PDT by ReagansShinyHair
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To: netmilsmom
So they can study to become socialists or elitists? We need to stop idolizing the Europeans. They are in FAR worse shape than we are.

My grandma took me to Europe at age 12 to visit relatives. Everyone was so poor, even the people who thought they were rich compared to others in their country! It didn't make me idolize Europeans - it made me completely against socialism. Maybe you have to be at least college-age to be dumb enough to fall for the socialist paradise myth, even when confronted with the facts.

15 posted on 10/06/2011 6:12:17 AM PDT by ReagansShinyHair
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To: Kaslin

i would think that natalie holloway would be a much better precautionary tale, given that there is far less controversy abotu anything she might haave done.


16 posted on 10/06/2011 6:13:28 AM PDT by camle (keep an open mind and someone will fill it full of something for you)
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To: netmilsmom
I agree you can learn Italian back home, but you'll learn the textbook version and imho one is never fluent unless one converses regularly with a native speaker.

you are probably correct about Amanda's reason for being there as "studying how to party"

17 posted on 10/06/2011 6:13:49 AM PDT by Cronos (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2787101/posts?page=58#58)
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To: ReagansShinyHair

Exactly.


18 posted on 10/06/2011 6:13:54 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice)
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To: The Sons of Liberty

Amanda’s parents are divorced. They are middle class, NOT wealthy. Each parent took out second mortages on their homes, maxed out their credit cards, and nearly drove themselves to bankruptcy. Amanda’s sister had to quit college and took two jobs to help the family’s financial situation.

The cost of hiring an attorney in Italy and the occassional trips by air from Seattle to Italy were not cheap.


19 posted on 10/06/2011 6:14:18 AM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (Obama inherited a mild recession from George W. Bush and turned it into a major depression.)
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To: Kaslin
Some additional parental advise: Do not smoke dope and fornicate in the vicinity of your room mate being raped and throat slit! -— in the USA or any other country
20 posted on 10/06/2011 6:14:41 AM PDT by texican01
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To: Kaslin
Some additional parental advise: Do not smoke dope and fornicate in the vicinity of your room mate being raped and throat slit! -— in the USA or any other country
21 posted on 10/06/2011 6:14:51 AM PDT by texican01
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To: oh8eleven

Amanda Knox’s story could net her tens of millions of dollars

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/amanda_knox_story_could_net_her_LPjYnJr59drw0Y06AGzhWL#ixzz1a0ULtREx


22 posted on 10/06/2011 6:15:07 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: Kaslin
I've often reflected on my days in the Navy when I was just about her age - pulling into Italy, Spain, France, Egypt and other countries in the Med. It was party city for us sailors, looking for the best bars and jet-set parties, and girls, thinking little of the history and culture all around us. While visiting the Pyramids a tour bus full of German girls pulled up, from then on it was all about the girls. For every picture we took of the pyramids, I think we took 10 pictures of us posing with the girls.

I wish I had those years back. Felt like I wasted so much of my young life on things that were not important.

23 posted on 10/06/2011 6:16:00 AM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: camle

Isn’t she the one who got drunk (underage) and went off with men she didn’t know and was never seen again?


24 posted on 10/06/2011 6:17:40 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: The Sons of Liberty

I saw a report yesterday that they are not rich. They had to take a second mortgage out on their house so they could make the trips


25 posted on 10/06/2011 6:17:40 AM PDT by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: ilovesarah2012

i have always heard they were very wealthy liberals.

this article is baloney:

Four years in an Italian slammer — four years of waiting for a trial and a chance to tell her side of the story!

Knox DID have a chance to tell what happened - lied repeatedly to the Police!
AND falsely accused a totally innocent man.

from what i read years ago, i have no doubt at all,
that she was present, and was at least an accomplice in the murder.


26 posted on 10/06/2011 6:17:44 AM PDT by Elendur (It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Kaslin
I remember travelling in Third World Countries all over the globe. It was typical to find Westerners in their 20s, maybe 30s, usually American and usually male, in blue jeans or bermuda shorts, riding atop a bus or hanging onto its side among all the natives in very remote locations. I wondered then if it would always be so.

Once in India--it was almost nighttime--I told the taxi driver to take me to the airport. He took me instead to an abandoned shopping center. I got out. Immediately seedy looking men surrounded me. I said to the taxi driver: "This is not the airport." He replied: "You said to take you to a travel agency. This is where it is." I demanded: "You take me to the airport! Right now!" and got back in the taxi. He did. I remember wondering: will it always be so?

In Africa, I signed up for a tour with my wife and small son. When the tour guide appeared at our hotel, we were the only people going on the tour, and the guide was in a crummy-looking automobile. I had to make a quick decision. I appraised the guide. I decided to go. He took us to many remote locations. At times I was uneasy, but it all turned out well. He was a very fine man. The tour was interesting. At the end of the day, he took us safely back to our hotel. I wouldn't do that today.

Americans lived in a golden age. They were safe all over the world. Europeans loved us. People all over the world respected us.

It's not so today.

It was American prosperity, idealism, and power that people respected and envied. America was the promise that they all wanted to emulate.

When America lost its way--and succumbed to decadence, it lost the respect of the people of the world and its self-respect also.

What does American decadence have to offer? Nothing.

What does the American Dream have to offer? Liberty, justice, and prosperity for all Americans and for all the people of the world.

If Americans embrace--once again--the American Dream, America will soar once again into ascendancy--a shining expample to all the people of the world.

If Americans continue down the path of decadence--which is the Left--whose Political Machine is the Democrat Party--and whose Propaganda Machine is the MSM--America has nothing to offer and will receive--and deserve--the contempt of history and all the world.

27 posted on 10/06/2011 6:18:35 AM PDT by Savage Beast (America's best hope is the Left's worst nightmare: Herman Cain!)
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To: ilovesarah2012
Read more:
No thanks. If she dropped dead tomorrow I just wouldn't care (although I think it would be poetic justice).
28 posted on 10/06/2011 6:19:21 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Scotsman will be Free

Yes it was an appeal


29 posted on 10/06/2011 6:19:33 AM PDT by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: Kaslin

I don’t know whether the Italian justice system is more corrupt than its American counterpart, or if the accused has fewer rights there than here. No doubt there is prejudice against Americans in Italy for political reasons. However, Amanda Knox was running with a lowlife crowd, the type of people that can be found as readily in the state of Washington as in Italy. You sleep with dogs; you wake up with fleas.


30 posted on 10/06/2011 6:20:43 AM PDT by Wallace T. (Shoot, shovel, and shut up)
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To: ilovesarah2012

yep. IIRC it was a senior high school trip to aruba (I think it was) for ‘cultural’ experience (meaning - so underage teenagers could party nad get rip roaring drunk). like what could possibly go wrong?


31 posted on 10/06/2011 6:22:13 AM PDT by camle (keep an open mind and someone will fill it full of something for you)
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To: Elendur

and, i read that that Knox was the girlfriend of the murderer, and admitted trying to get the younger british girl, to have sex with him.

...even the things she admitted, and are unquestionable, make her look very guilty. and her lies about her alibis, etc., were flimsier than OJ’s or Casey’s.
and when she was caught in them, she made up new ones,
and falsely accused an innocent man.

(and someone pointed out, that her own 2 roommates, never said a single word in her defense. so 2 of the people who knew her best, believed she was guilty.)


32 posted on 10/06/2011 6:24:08 AM PDT by Elendur (It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: netmilsmom
Guess mom and dad had enough money to spring her.

They may be levering the expected income from book/movie rights. Since she did not commit a crime here, the law against profiting from the experience wouldn't apply.

33 posted on 10/06/2011 6:25:11 AM PDT by Poison Pill
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To: texican01

Do you have proof that she smoked dope? Just because you do, does not mean everyone else does


34 posted on 10/06/2011 6:25:34 AM PDT by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: ReagansShinyHair

Let me attach a rider to this article: you should also avoid some jurisdictions in the USA—like North Carolina—which

lacks a speedy trial law, doesn’t keep transcripts of grand jury proceedings (permitting a DA to lie to get indictments), won’t tell you exactly what you are charged with before trial (which may be postponed for years), won’t give you a probable cause hearing at which you can present proof of your innocence and get the prosecution stopped, etc.

(For all the above, reference the Duke lacrosse hoax, which couldn’t have happened in most other states. Even DNA tests weren’t enough to pry Nifong’s hands off the case.)


35 posted on 10/06/2011 6:29:00 AM PDT by CondorFlight (I)
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To: Kaslin

When Amanda Knox, don’t answer.


36 posted on 10/06/2011 6:29:35 AM PDT by windsorknot
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To: NavyCanDo
I've often reflected on my days in the Navy when I was just about her age -

I do too when I was 18-21 years old, in the Army and stationed in Panama in Central America. For me and my buddies it was work by day then get drunk and chase women at night........To this day I regret that we gave no thought to traveling and experiencing the culture.

I will say tho that there were two older and mature friends (in their 30's) with motorcycles who would head off to parts unknown on their days off. They toured Panama, Costa Rica and even south down into Columbia.....They were the smart ones.

37 posted on 10/06/2011 6:41:27 AM PDT by Hot Tabasco (ui)
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To: The Sons of Liberty

I heard that her parents and grandparents took all the money out of their homes to fight this. Napoleonic Code, nothing quite like it — here.


38 posted on 10/06/2011 6:49:43 AM PDT by bboop (Without justice, what else is the State but a great band of robbers?)
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To: Cronos

>>I agree you can learn Italian back home, but you’ll learn the textbook version and imho one is never fluent unless one converses regularly with a native speaker.<<

My parish has more “native speakers” than her college, I dare say.
Along with the Slovaks who can easily converse with the Italians there.

America is a melting pot. We have lots of “Native Speakers” here. My pastor speaks five languages, six if you add on the Latin.


39 posted on 10/06/2011 6:52:57 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice)
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To: netmilsmom

My daughter studied in Italy right around the same time Amanda was there.

I concur, the study abroad enriched her college and life experience.

You telling me you would not be enriched by living for a few months in Florence? I know I would.

Oh, and she did not come back either a socialist or an elitist.


40 posted on 10/06/2011 6:58:06 AM PDT by dmz
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To: IbJensen

“Foxy Knoxy got away with murder and even though the sentence would have been 26 years she’ll live many more years than that with her conscience full of the horror she either participated in or knowingly abetted.”

I doubt it, these people have no conscience or morals.


41 posted on 10/06/2011 7:00:56 AM PDT by Mouton (Voting is an opiate of the electorate. Nothing changes no matter who wins..)
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To: Kaslin

Don’t send your kids to a foreign country unless they intend to behave themselves. That “but I’m an American” sass does not work anymore.


42 posted on 10/06/2011 7:51:46 AM PDT by stellaluna
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To: NeilGus
Yes, once again Reagan proves he is not all that smart. The girl lied repeatedly, to the investigators. Then you have the other nuts that live in twilight land.
43 posted on 10/06/2011 7:54:28 AM PDT by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by Perry and his fellow democrats.)
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To: netmilsmom

It is funny how people claim she could not speak the language, but she worked at a local bar .


44 posted on 10/06/2011 8:01:48 AM PDT by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by Perry and his fellow democrats.)
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To: Kaslin

“Do you have proof that she smoked dope? Just because you do, does not mean everyone else does”

The MSM reported that was what her latest alibi was.

Who knows? Maybe she is lying!


45 posted on 10/06/2011 8:22:17 AM PDT by texican01
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To: dmz

>>You telling me you would not be enriched by living for a few months in Florence? I know I would.<<

Did you ever hear of a little thing called the internet?
How about television?

I have friends in Sydney. We talk on Facebook, we email, I see films of her kids and she sees films of mine. There is a big wide world out there, free for the consuming, right in your home. I even have a phone where I can call them for birthdays and Christmas. It’s amazing.

So no, I see no reason to spend a few months in Florence. I can study it right in my home. I can talk to people there via Skype. This is 2011. I don’t have to leave the comfort of my livingroom to experience the world, and I save a ton of money staying here.

Your daughter may well be an exception to a rule.


46 posted on 10/06/2011 9:22:42 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice)
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To: netmilsmom
So no, I see no reason to spend a few months in Florence. I can study it right in my home. I can talk to people there via Skype. This is 2011. I don’t have to leave the comfort of my livingroom to experience the world, and I save a ton of money staying here.

If you think you can experience Florence by sitting at your computer, I'll just say you're sadly mistaken and leave it at that.

Siena is better, though.

47 posted on 10/06/2011 9:29:03 AM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep

>>If you think you can experience Florence by sitting at your computer, I’ll just say you’re sadly mistaken and leave it at that.<<

I’m not enamored with Europe. I just don’t care about it at all. People are much more important.


48 posted on 10/06/2011 10:05:02 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice)
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To: netmilsmom

Then by all means, stay home.


49 posted on 10/06/2011 10:19:37 AM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: NeilGus

Ann has been putting out some sloppy product lately and her Amanda Knox column is a prime example.

Ann says “Now liberals are howling that the DNA evidence was ‘contaminated,’ but they always say that. It wasn’t. And the DNA was already thoroughly vetted at trial.”

The DNA evidence against Ms. Knox was transparent nonsense and was completely thrown out in the second trial. It should never have been admitted in the first trial. It was not “thoroughly vetted” at trial. Rather Ms. Knox’s defense team used outside experts to do so after the first trial and before the second. Thus Ann’s claim is a huge, sloppy mistake on her part.


50 posted on 10/06/2011 10:24:02 AM PDT by rogue yam
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