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Herman Cainís got poll numbers. But Rick Perry raising TONS of cash
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | 10/06/2011 | Joe Garofoli

Posted on 10/06/2011 8:39:25 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

On Wedesday, we took a closer look at Herman Cain, who is spiking in recent polls — and taking a lot of his newfound support from Texas Guv Rick Perry. “Flavor of the week,” as Sarah Palin refers to her pal, “Herb Caen.”

But Herb would trade in all those temporal poll numbers for what Perry has: Lots of cold, hard campaign contributions. Perry will report $17 mi miiiiiiiiiiiiiilllion in contributions over the past three months. That’s $17 million in 49 days — and THAT keeps Perry as an A-list candidate who can afford (for now) bad debate performances and a near-endless stream of bad stories. All those California fundraisers surely helped. He’s even swiped some Mitt Romney donors in the Golden State.

His closest competition: Romney, who will announce between $11 and $13 million before the federal campaign finance forms are due Oct. 15.

Next up: Dr. Rep. Ron Paul — winner of the California GOP straw poll – who took in $8 million from 100,000-plus donors — or five times as many as Perry.

And what about Herb? Well, a new CBS poll out Wednesday shows that he’s tied for first place with Romney at 17 percent apiece. Who’s in first place? “Undecided” at 18 percent. His fundraising? Uh….still waiting on that. Shh. Don’t interrupt Herb: He’s on book tour.

So what does that get him? He’s got little operation in Iowa, the first caucus state. If he doesn’t get off the ground there, it’s going to be that much tougher in New Hampshire. And you can’t retail-campaign in a massive, populous state like Florida, which comes up shortly thereafter. If he’s serious about this leader-of-the-free-world job interview, Herb needs to put down the book, pick up the phone and raise some cash.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: draftbobmcdonnell; heartless; hermancain; potus; primaries; rickperry

1 posted on 10/06/2011 8:39:30 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
The Romans had a saying, gold will not always get you good soldiers, but good soldiers can always get you gold. Same with poll numbers. If your polls stay high, the money will come flowing in. But Trump, Perot and other big money guys all proved to be a flash in the pan.

Money is like a big bank of speakers at a concert. If you are singing a song people like it helps to bring in the crowd. If nobody likes the tune, it just annoys a larger number of people faster.
2 posted on 10/06/2011 8:52:02 AM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: SeekAndFind

If Cain does sell out for the VP slot, let him sell out to Perry.


3 posted on 10/06/2011 8:52:38 AM PDT by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est)
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To: SeekAndFind

In the final analysis its VOTES that count. (Or who counts the votes)


4 posted on 10/06/2011 8:53:16 AM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: SeekAndFind

Ford spent hundreds of millions promoting the Edsel. The simple fact is that when you have an incredible bad product, no amount of money will move the needle.


5 posted on 10/06/2011 8:53:53 AM PDT by bwc2221
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To: SeekAndFind

My guess is, at this point, the same Establishment bastards who are contributing to Romney’s campaign are ALSO contributing to Perry. The goal is to keep a single viable conservative from getting too far up there to challenge their boy Romney.

Plain and simple.


6 posted on 10/06/2011 8:54:40 AM PDT by ZULU (DUMP Obama in 2012)
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To: SeekAndFind

Wow, now there’s a great reason for supporting a candidate, he’s got money!

Perry is still an Open-Borders fraud.


7 posted on 10/06/2011 8:55:25 AM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: SeekAndFind
Wonderful, it is a big red flag pointing to the crony capitalist. Perry, jumping up and down, saying put your bid in here.
8 posted on 10/06/2011 8:56:35 AM PDT by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by Perry and his fellow democrats.)
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To: ZULU
The goal is to keep a single viable conservative from getting too far up there to challenge their boy Romney.

Or their boy Perry.

We can have any flavor we want as long as it is RINO.

9 posted on 10/06/2011 8:58:07 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: SeekAndFind

Why does everyone in the MSM seem to think that Rick Perry is just going to buy this nomination?


10 posted on 10/06/2011 9:00:05 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: SeekAndFind

It’s all relative.

Perry spent $2 million on the straw poll in Florida.
Cain spent $2500 on the straw poll in Florida.

Given his history, I believe Cain will be able to do more with his $2 mil than Perry with his $17 mil.

It was the message, and the man, not the money that is making people sit up and take notice.


11 posted on 10/06/2011 9:03:58 AM PDT by justsaynomore (Cain 2012 - http://teamcain.hermancain.com)
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To: SeekAndFind

If mony could buy elections, Ross Perot would have been a two-term president, not Bill Clinton.


12 posted on 10/06/2011 9:04:35 AM PDT by RichInOC (TBA 2012.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Why does Cain need so much money, since everyone’s voting for him anyway?


13 posted on 10/06/2011 9:06:31 AM PDT by Lauren BaRecall (Boehner, you deal making THUG B@st@rd!)
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To: SeekAndFind

No question Perry is better connected to the establishment and their money, but Cain has the Tea Party, or a good deal of it. Soon Cain will be squared off with Romney, and the rest of the Tea Party will get behind him.

Some of Sarah’s supporters will need a few days to shake off the disappointment, but they are in this fight to save America, and that will help Herman Cain.


14 posted on 10/06/2011 9:10:05 AM PDT by pallis
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To: Lauren BaRecall

LOL.


15 posted on 10/06/2011 9:11:49 AM PDT by VicVega
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To: Vigilanteman

Bingo


16 posted on 10/06/2011 9:15:33 AM PDT by ZULU (DUMP Obama in 2012)
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To: bwc2221

I assume you are referring to Obama


17 posted on 10/06/2011 9:25:12 AM PDT by BobinIL
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To: pallis

My tea party congressman was elected despite raising less than half the money raised by the democrat incumbent.


18 posted on 10/06/2011 9:26:33 AM PDT by cripplecreek (MLB Playoff thread http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2786167/posts)
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To: SeekAndFind

Herman just got my 20 bucks.


19 posted on 10/06/2011 9:26:33 AM PDT by RightInEastLansing
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To: SeekAndFind
Herman Cain

born December 13, 1945 in Memphis, TN (Meets the Jus Soli Requirement)

Parents were
Luther Cain Jr., born March 16, 1925 in TN, died March 29, 1982 in Atlanta, GA
Lenora Davis, born July 27, 1925 in GA, died August 20, 2005 in Atlanta, GA

Both parents were US Citizens at the time of his birth (Meets the Jus Sanguinis Requirement)

Herman Cain is a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN

”Herman

Barry Soetoro aka Barack Hussein Obama ISN'T!

20 posted on 10/06/2011 9:31:08 AM PDT by ASA Vet (Natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. De Vattel)
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To: SeekAndFind

OK.......the mitt bots are out in force telling us to “compromise” once again.....well, here is as far as i will compromise... Perry, Cain or Cain, Perry.... no mcromneys...or gingriches... or anyone named bush...


21 posted on 10/06/2011 9:36:07 AM PDT by joe fonebone (Project Gunwalker, this will make watergate look like the warm up band......)
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To: SeekAndFind

With Palin out, it is between one of these two for me.

Cain sounds better, but probably Perry will be stronger.

We’ll see.


22 posted on 10/06/2011 9:51:18 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans: Don't read their lips - watch their hands.)
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To: justsaynomore

“It was the message, and the man, not the money that is making people sit up and take notice.”

Consistency too. There seems to be no “I was for that before I was against it” from Cain.


23 posted on 10/06/2011 9:54:15 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans: Don't read their lips - watch their hands.)
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To: Psalm 144

Cain has already telegraphed who he will support when his money runs out.

He said it plainly and it went right over everyone’s head because he was attacking Perry and they liked that.

Herman Cain has no campaigns set up in very many states and has no money to do that.

Herman Cain knows this but will stay in the campaign until the last day and keep attacking Perry. His campaigne may even find some donatins to keep him going to the end.


24 posted on 10/06/2011 10:00:47 AM PDT by tirednvirginia
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To: SeekAndFind

I heard last nite on Hannity that all the Christie money will now go to Romney.
(from a woman who said she has inside knowledge)Can’t remember her name.


25 posted on 10/06/2011 10:16:42 AM PDT by TShaunK
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To: ZULU

My guess is, at this point, the same Establishment bastards who are contributing to Romney’s campaign are ALSO contributing to Perry. The goal is to keep a single viable conservative from getting too far up there to challenge their boy Romney.

Bingo ... The GOP convinced Perry to run. He had previously declined to run in at least two main stream media interviews. In a nutshell, he's being paid by the GOP establishment to run. It should come as no surprise that his war chest is growing rapidly from corporate contributors. It's the good 'ole boys club filling his tank ... because ... he "waters down the TEA"!


26 posted on 10/06/2011 10:21:44 AM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: so_real

People don’t invest big bucks to a candidate who is only acting as a spoiler.

Herman Cain can’t win and has told you he is going to support Romney when his money runs out. Duh


27 posted on 10/06/2011 11:13:26 AM PDT by tirednvirginia
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To: Psalm 144

Yes, HC might “sound” better but has never been tested in the political arena. No record to check and no experience on anything except running a business.

Could he lead a military? Perry has been in the military and also has commanded the state’s national guard and the Texas Rngers. What’s Cain’s record?

Could it be immigration? Sure Cain “sounds” better to you but has he ever had to deal with immigration in his whole life? I am sure some illegals can be found and will be shone to you working in his Burger King and pizza parlors.

How about workig with other states for Republican priciples? Rick Perry was the head of the Reublican Governors Association. That is where the real grass roots begins.

Yes, everyone. Cain is “sounding” good. But with a very thin resume and no record in public office, he will be a hard sell on the national stage.

No one knows this any better than Herman Cain. Read all his stuff and you will see that he is after Rick Perry.


28 posted on 10/06/2011 11:33:37 AM PDT by tirednvirginia
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To: tirednvirginia

Herman Cain can't win

Heard that one before ... it never was very credible and has become less so with every passing day. CBS and WSJ both claim Cain has rocketed to a statistical tie with Romney. Romney couldn't beat McCain. Why on Earth would Cain settle for second fiddle to a third place loser when he's in a statistical tie for first place? I wouldn't. You wouldn't. Cain wouldn't. Go ahead and try to sell him out if you think it'll help your candidate. But don't expect logical FRiends to buy into it. I'm not voting for a wolf in sheeps clothing this election, and you can't make me. Romney, Perry, and Huntsman don't make the cut.


29 posted on 10/06/2011 2:12:34 PM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: tirednvirginia

Good gravy, I just read the latest Zogby (click). Romney loses to Obama by 1%. Perry loses to Obama by 5%. Cain defeats Obama by 2%. Cain leads both Romney and Perry 38% to 18% and 12% respectively. Heck, add those two together and they are still 8% shy of Cain's popularity.

It's just a poll ... and it's Zogby at that. But with spreads that wide, there is a measure of reality reflected in there that you just can't argue against. It's a fact Romney and Perry have lost dramatic ground and Cain is the only candidate with traction.

Saying "Cain can't win" at this point is reminiscent of Baghdad Bob telling the world the troops aren't at his door.


30 posted on 10/06/2011 2:27:27 PM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: so_real

No real large donors. They are all commmitted. The last holdouts went for Romney when Christi said no.

Why didn’t the big donors jump on the Cain train when they saw his numbers going up? No one invests in an unproven candidate.

He has a thin resume and no track record as a political candidate and One loss.

Not saying that disqualifies him but am saying that’s why he can’t win.

Those votes don’t mean anything without the grass roots support in the states. He has no campaign at all in a lot of states.

Maybe you have a million to float him?


31 posted on 10/06/2011 2:53:56 PM PDT by tirednvirginia
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To: tirednvirginia

Maybe you have a million to float him?

Nope ... I'm middle class ... so it'll be a bit less than that :-) But he won't owe me a thing for my donation beyond performing the Constitutional duties of the office. Perry and Romney won't be able to say that about their contributors.


32 posted on 10/06/2011 3:03:13 PM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: so_real

If he gets there.

Maybe it would have been better to go for a lesser office or maybe run a charity or have some record in the public arena so as to prove himself before he went for the big enchilada?

He has sold you on red meat rhetoric and not on a proven record.


33 posted on 10/06/2011 3:10:49 PM PDT by tirednvirginia
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To: tirednvirginia

I just love you party hacks... got your talking points all ready.


34 posted on 10/06/2011 3:12:13 PM PDT by ican'tbelieveit
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To: tirednvirginia

Have you ever wondered why Cain is attacking Perry and not Romney?

And Cain has had leanings towards establishment types like Romney for quite some time. Cain would certainly not turn down a VP spot with Romney. Of that you can be sure. And Cain is going out of his way to attack Perry.

In other words, “Be careful what you wish for, you just might get it!”


35 posted on 10/06/2011 3:12:33 PM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: ican'tbelieveit

I’m in Virginia and never worked in a campaign before and don’t now.

I looked at all the candidates on the stage and picked Perry as the best one to beat Obama.

I really loved Cain as an advocate but didn’t pick him because he had no record for me to judge.

He was so lovable up until he won the straw poll - been going after Perry ever since. Never any attacks on Romney except low key.


36 posted on 10/06/2011 3:18:54 PM PDT by tirednvirginia
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To: tirednvirginia

Cain supporters look at the mess were in and what do we see?

Politicians.

Liberals and Bush haters look at Perry and who do they see?

George W. Bush. You don’t think Perry would galvanize people to come out and vote against him who would otherwise sleep through election day?

Cain was in the military. Cain is a successful executive. He wants to seal the borders. He wants to revamp the tax code. He has that sunny, optimistic, pro-American outlook we need.

Palin supporters were looking for an anti-establishment candidate who will run a grass roots campaign. Well, they still have one—Herman Cain.


37 posted on 10/06/2011 3:28:12 PM PDT by GatorGirl (Herman Cain 2012)
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To: tirednvirginia

Yeah. Keep trying. Like I said, got those talking points all together. Seen a few of you today alone, all parroting the same thing. As I pointed out earlier, no different than the LSM parroting the talking points of the democrats day in and day out.

I should start doing a FR montage of all of you:
Can’t raise money
Hasn’t held public office
And your new one: just in it to bring down Perry (which is REALLY odd since he was in before Perry).


38 posted on 10/06/2011 3:34:13 PM PDT by ican'tbelieveit
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To: Lauren BaRecall

“Why does Cain need so much money, since everyone’s voting for him anyway?”

Now that’s funny, I don’t care who you are...


39 posted on 10/06/2011 3:38:52 PM PDT by magritte
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To: SeekAndFind
If he’s serious about this leader-of-the-free-world job interview, Herb needs to put down the book, pick up the phone and raise some cash.

Very true. He needs to show he's serious.

Put the book tour on hold, Herman, and start campaigning like a frontrunner, NOW!

40 posted on 10/06/2011 3:39:47 PM PDT by behzinlea
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To: behzinlea

Also, tell him that he should start attacking Romney - his other opponent - the one who is really scary.


41 posted on 10/06/2011 3:54:23 PM PDT by tirednvirginia
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

It would be interesting to enter the Cain supporter’s mind and see how they reason that.

Only answer is they hate Perry much more than they fear Romney.


42 posted on 10/06/2011 3:58:51 PM PDT by tirednvirginia
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To: tirednvirginia
That's true, since Palin finally declared the obvious, they are attaching themselves to another “hero”.

Have you also noticed that they carried the nasty tone from the Palin threads to the Perry threads and they protect Cain like they did their patron saint? Things will remain ugly around here, you can be sure of that.

43 posted on 10/06/2011 4:03:58 PM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: tirednvirginia

He has sold you on red meat rhetoric and not on a proven record.

True enough. Cain sold me years ago when he toured the nation with the Tea Party Express. I've enjoyed listening to his red meat rhetoric for a number of years before this presidential bid. He was also a strong advocate for the FairTax, one of my special interests, as well. I learned a considerable amount about him through that too. Admittedly I am sold ... but to be fair, I vetted all the candidates as they rose to the podium and I would be equally pleased to support Bachmann or Santorum. I could even be convinced to give Gingrich a second chance. They are all serving up the red meat these days.


44 posted on 10/06/2011 4:07:51 PM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: so_real

The last 3 you mentoned at least have a record to judge them by.

But if serving up red meat is your criteia, I guss you got your man. Just don’t forget to listen closely because he has given out lots of clues where his support will go.

But maybe you are one of the ones who thinks Romney is not so bad?


45 posted on 10/06/2011 4:16:12 PM PDT by tirednvirginia
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To: tirednvirginia

But maybe you are one of the ones who thinks Romney is not so bad?

Take my word for it or check my post history, Romney does not get my vote under any circumstance. It is my sincere opinion that Romney and Huntsman are candidates capable of fracturing the Republican party so badly that Obama could possibly win another term. Which is probably why the political elites want to run Romney so badly. He's a wolf in sheep's clothing -- completely for sale. I'll write someone in before being his enabler. You?


46 posted on 10/06/2011 6:03:35 PM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: so_real

I believe you but am confused how you dont see that Cain is aligned with Romney and will give hiis endorsement of him should he bow out. He will also accept Romney’s invitation to be his VP candidate but not Perry according to his recent statements.

I find that troublimg. You may not love Perry but you have to know he’s far far from being a Romney.


47 posted on 10/06/2011 6:24:11 PM PDT by tirednvirginia
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To: tirednvirginia

I find that troublimg. You may not love Perry but you have to know he’s far far from being a Romney.

I agree with that. Perry is much preferable to Romney. If Perry made a brilliant VP pick as McCain did in 2008, I would likely hold my nose and vote for him. I can't say the same for Romney -- I'd write someone in before pulling the lever for Romney.

But I also believe that Perry is very similar to Bush. That's why the GOP picked him when their man Romney floundered. He's likable but lukewarm and comes with a price tag they can afford. It was Bush that coined the phrase "too big too fail" -- which was just code for tax payers bailing out corporate cronies. Perry is made of that same metal, in my opinion, and would subject us to more of the same.

Having heard Cain speak on a number of occasions, I believe he is cut from a different cloth. I am so convinced of this that I can't believe the thought of joining the same political machine he has maligned from speech to speech for the last several years has even entered his mind. I am entirely willing to give him a chance, because not doing so will only repeat history ... the Bush Years (not all bad, but not all good either).

I also very much like the statement it makes to support a Tea Party candidate in the face of the GOP machine. The GOP has completely forgotten who brought them to the dance and needs a wake up call. If we don't give it to them, they will only continue to hand us Romneys election after election.

If I believed as you do that Cain is aligned with Romney behind the scenes, I would be on the same page with you. That is our difference in perspective. Having cheered the man on at Tea Party rallies long before he entered this race, I have a different perception of him and am trusting it. If we can get Cain into the executive office, we will be far better off than had we expended that effort on another Bush-like Republican.


48 posted on 10/07/2011 2:20:37 AM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: grumpygresh

Actually, with all of that money...with Mitt falling behind Cain, look for Mittens to do an end run around Cain by bringing Perry on board.

My biggest fear, because even when conservatives do well, the E has this option.


49 posted on 10/07/2011 2:46:41 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (Leaning toward Cain.....picks up....smacks Obama bout the head N shoulders)
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