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Carver Couple Wants More Control of Their Kids' Food
KSTP ^ | 10-5-11 | Jennifer Griswold

Posted on 10/06/2011 1:52:33 PM PDT by WOBBLY BOB

Jen and Keith Gorney have chosen to serve their children raw milk from a local farmer. They've also chosen to send two of their kids to an Eden Prairie daycare for half day sessions. They didn't realize those choices would work against each other.

The Gorneys learned that USDA guidelines require centers that serve meals to serve pasteurized milk with those meals. The Gorneys wanted to bring water to serve as a substitute but that is not allowed.

They understand the daycare has no choice. If they do not follow guidelines they could lose their state license.

(Excerpt) Read more at chaska-chanhassen-waconia.kstp.com ...


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; US: Minnesota
KEYWORDS: daycare; food; granola; luddite; milk; mn
The food police area everywhere
1 posted on 10/06/2011 1:52:38 PM PDT by WOBBLY BOB
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To: WOBBLY BOB
Good grief. Can't they bring fresh milk in a lunch box, and, I suppose sit at a separate table where none of the other kids can possibly get their hands on it?


2 posted on 10/06/2011 2:01:01 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius.)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

“Jen and Keith Gorney have chosen to serve their children raw milk from a local farmer.”

mmmm E Coli sounds delicious.


3 posted on 10/06/2011 2:13:31 PM PDT by ari-freedom (We need a Steve Jobs Plan: encourage innovation, not regulation.)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

Actually I blame lawyers for this. A kid gets sick then the lawsuits start flying and next thing you know, the state has to pay out $10 million. Actually I don’t blame the lawyers. I blame the liberal politicians who allow it to happen. For example Bush tried to bring tort reform to healthcare, but the libs shot it down after they got paid off. So now Docs still have to pay $250K a year in liability insurance and healthcare costs go up and up everytime John Edwards wins another $10 million because a crack ho gave birth to a kid with flippers.


4 posted on 10/06/2011 2:15:42 PM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Mark Halperin - Learned the hard way what happens when you speak the truth on PMSNBC.)
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To: ari-freedom

ludite


5 posted on 10/06/2011 2:15:42 PM PDT by maine yankee (I got my Governor at 'Marden's')
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To: WOBBLY BOB

Scientific American Aug 31, 2010

“A bumper crop of recent illness related to raw milk accentuates the problem. Last month, at least 30 people, including two children, tested positive for strains of campylobacter and Escherichia coli bacteria traced to raw (nonpasteurized) goat milk. In June five people in Minnesota were diagnosed with E. coli traced to raw cow’s milk from a local dairy. One, a toddler, was hospitalized after he developed hemolytic uremic syndrome, a type of kidney failure that is a potentially deadly E. coli complication.

They are hardly isolated cases. In fact, there have already been more reports of raw milk-related illness outbreaks this year in the U.S. than in any of the past five years.

Such outbreaks are largely preventable if milk is pasteurized, says Robert Tauxe, deputy director of the Division of Foodborne, Bacterial and Mycotic Diseases at the U.S. Centers for Disease Control (CDC). The process (known as high temperature, short time (HTST) pasteurization) was invented more than a century ago and relies on heat at least 72 degrees Celsius for 15 seconds to kill the stew of E. coli, campylobacter, Listeria, salmonella and other microbes that may lurk in milk that comes straight from a cow or goat. Medical experts consider pasteurization as one of the major breakthroughs in public health history. “A triumph,” Tauxe adds.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=raw-milk-debate


6 posted on 10/06/2011 2:15:50 PM PDT by ari-freedom (We need a Steve Jobs Plan: encourage innovation, not regulation.)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

Just say your kids are allergic to pasteurized milk, then they have to serve them something else.


7 posted on 10/06/2011 2:17:46 PM PDT by Ratman83
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To: maine yankee

One of the saviors of the world
8 posted on 10/06/2011 2:18:53 PM PDT by ari-freedom (We need a Steve Jobs Plan: encourage innovation, not regulation.)
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To: ari-freedom

“In June five people in Minnesota were diagnosed with E. coli”

And how does this compare to deaths from auto accidents, doctor errors, drug abuse, etc ?

Life is risky, stop singling out select activities to target for control. Idiots.


9 posted on 10/06/2011 2:21:54 PM PDT by George from New England (escaped CT in 2006, now living north of Tampa)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

“I blame the liberal politicians who allow it to happen.”

I also blame stupid parents who don’t mind if their kids risks dying from some preventable bacterial complication.


10 posted on 10/06/2011 2:22:56 PM PDT by ari-freedom (We need a Steve Jobs Plan: encourage innovation, not regulation.)
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To: ari-freedom

Yes, drinking raw milk is insane in the first place so I really don’t understand why these granola eaters are complaining in the first place. Are they trying to kill their kids? Abe Lincolns mother died drinking raw milk when he was a kid, milk sickness. Although I don’t think it was from the cows eating a poisonous plant not bacteria, but still, I wouldn’t eat anything raw today. About 20 years ago I almost died from salmonella poisoning from eating raw eggs trying to be Rocky.


11 posted on 10/06/2011 2:23:32 PM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Mark Halperin - Learned the hard way what happens when you speak the truth on PMSNBC.)
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To: George from New England

“And how does this compare to deaths from auto accidents, doctor errors, drug abuse, etc ?”

Because there’s no reason why any kid in 2011 should risk dying just because they drank a glass of milk.


12 posted on 10/06/2011 2:24:40 PM PDT by ari-freedom (We need a Steve Jobs Plan: encourage innovation, not regulation.)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

“Are they trying to kill their kids?”

It’s for the Cause.


13 posted on 10/06/2011 2:29:42 PM PDT by ari-freedom (We need a Steve Jobs Plan: encourage innovation, not regulation.)
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To: ari-freedom; GrandJediMasterYoda

Everything is a risk; maybe the milk is not properly pasteurized. Stop trying to control everyone for their own good it makes you seem like a liberal control freak.


14 posted on 10/06/2011 2:30:19 PM PDT by Ratman83
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To: Ratman83

“You want to harmonize with nature. Go harmonize.” John Clark from Rainbow Six


15 posted on 10/06/2011 2:32:03 PM PDT by ari-freedom (We need a Steve Jobs Plan: encourage innovation, not regulation.)
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To: ari-freedom

Howard Johnson: “And they say that now, in Paris, France, even as we speak, Louis Pasteur has devised a new vaccine that will obliterate anthrax once and for all...Think of it, gentlemen. Hoof-and- mouth disease a thing of the past!”

Olson Johnson: “Never mind that s—t, here comes Mongo!”


16 posted on 10/06/2011 2:33:31 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: George from New England
Life is risky

Yes it is. So why would a parent, who loves their child, deliberately make life even riskier? Pasteurized milk delivers the same nutrition without the risk of pathogens, and I can tell you from first hand experience, raw milk is loaded with pathogens.

The only idiots are the parents who risk their kid's health for no good reason.

17 posted on 10/06/2011 2:34:08 PM PDT by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: Ratman83

This makes you seem like an enviro-nutty kook.


18 posted on 10/06/2011 2:34:34 PM PDT by ari-freedom (We need a Steve Jobs Plan: encourage innovation, not regulation.)
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To: Mase

“Yes it is. So why would a parent, who loves their child, deliberately make life even riskier?”

Because they want everything to be One, Whole and Pure with Mother Gaia.


19 posted on 10/06/2011 2:37:51 PM PDT by ari-freedom (We need a Steve Jobs Plan: encourage innovation, not regulation.)
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To: ari-freedom

Maybe you should go over to DU they like to control people and so do you it seems.


20 posted on 10/06/2011 2:38:44 PM PDT by Ratman83
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To: Ratman83

yeah saving kids from dying from a glass of milk is too controlling. OK got it. LOL


21 posted on 10/06/2011 2:41:01 PM PDT by ari-freedom (We need a Steve Jobs Plan: encourage innovation, not regulation.)
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To: WOBBLY BOB
I agree fully with their decision to feed their children raw milk. It's more nutritious and will strengthen their immune systems. Yes, contamination is a risk -- though a controlled one if you know how the milk was handled.

Where they're screwing up is sending the kids to day care. Now, that's harmful.

22 posted on 10/06/2011 2:47:36 PM PDT by BfloGuy (Given enough time, the primary function of any bureaucracy becomes the employment of its employees.)
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To: ari-freedom

Well your love of government control along will many other government loving liberals are giving more and more of your life to the government. Obamacare, seatbelt laws, gun regulation, regulation of commerce, man you must think you are in heaven. Enjoy your security because soon you will have no freedom.


23 posted on 10/06/2011 2:48:58 PM PDT by Ratman83
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To: WOBBLY BOB

Most of our parents grew up with raw milk. But now it’s easier to find and purchase a case of hard liquor than a quart of raw milk.


24 posted on 10/06/2011 2:53:53 PM PDT by proudpapa (Cain-West - 2012)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda
"About 20 years ago I almost died from salmonella poisoning from eating raw eggs trying to be Rocky."

If you are now of the opinion that another family should not be able to eat or drink whatever they please, the country would be better off with you dead.

The government should protect the country by protecting the borders and fighting when necessary, but the government has no business reaching into our kitchens to dictate what can or can not be consumed.

25 posted on 10/06/2011 3:01:24 PM PDT by JustaDumbBlonde (Don't wish doom on your enemies. Plan it.)
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To: Ratman83

No, I love modern science and medicine and protecting human life. The right to life comes before the right to give your kids poison to drink.


26 posted on 10/06/2011 3:02:00 PM PDT by ari-freedom (We need a Steve Jobs Plan: encourage innovation, not regulation.)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

“The government should protect the country by protecting the borders and fighting when necessary, but the government has no business reaching into our kitchens to dictate what can or can not be consumed. “

Sounds like the ‘pro-choice’ position.


27 posted on 10/06/2011 3:05:25 PM PDT by ari-freedom (We need a Steve Jobs Plan: encourage innovation, not regulation.)
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To: ari-freedom

Yes, I absolutely have the right to choose what I do or do not eat and drink. Give yourself a star for being a quick study today.


28 posted on 10/06/2011 3:10:52 PM PDT by JustaDumbBlonde (Don't wish doom on your enemies. Plan it.)
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To: ari-freedom; WOBBLY BOB
“Jen and Keith Gorney have chosen to serve their children raw milk from a local farmer.”

**mmmm E Coli sounds delicious.***

Indeed!


29 posted on 10/06/2011 3:13:09 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Click my name. See my home page, if you dare! NEW PHOTOS & PAINTINGS)
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To: ari-freedom
You said "No, I love modern science and medicine and protecting human life. The right to life comes before the right to give your kids poison to drink."

But what you really mean is No, I love government control to protect me. Government control comes before the right to anything.

30 posted on 10/06/2011 3:27:15 PM PDT by Ratman83
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

My father ate raw eggs, the trick is to drop it in a tall cold glass of beer....looked yukky...


31 posted on 10/06/2011 5:02:17 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

“Drinking raw milk is INSANE?
I grew up on raw milk, so did my parents, so did my kids and some of my grandkids. All with no bad effects.
We don’t do it for political reasons now. It’s to avoid the health problems caused by the formaldehyde used to homogenize store milk among other reasons.
Chroic ear infections in young children are the most prevalent issues occuring from drinking this “doctored” milk.


32 posted on 10/06/2011 6:43:41 PM PDT by bog trotter
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