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Missing Missouri girl's parents say they are cooperating
Seattle PI ^ | October 07, 2011 | Maria Fisher

Posted on 10/07/2011 1:31:50 AM PDT by AnAmericanAbroad

The parents of a missing 10-month-old Missouri girl planned to make a public statement Friday after police announced that the couple had stopped talking with detectives investigating the baby's disappearance.

Jeremy Irwin and Deborah Bradley didn't speak to the media Thursday night after a police news conference accusing them of no longer cooperating, but relatives read a statement insisting they never had stopped. The family said the couple would have more to say Friday.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Missouri
KEYWORDS: baby; disappearance; kidnapping; lisairwin; missingchild; mystery
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Any Missouri Freepers have any additional insight on this case?
1 posted on 10/07/2011 1:31:53 AM PDT by AnAmericanAbroad
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

This story has a funny smell to it. The guy pulls a long shift and doesn’t show back up to the house till the early morning hours. That’s when he discovers the kid gone. Then you toss in these cellphones gone. Why take the cellphones? And who would spend precious minutes in a house like this...hunting down the cellphones? It’s either one of the parents or a very close relative.


2 posted on 10/07/2011 1:37:49 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: AnAmericanAbroad
I wouldn't take a child in these days on a bet or a dare.

Too many spring traps.

/johnny

3 posted on 10/07/2011 1:42:06 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (gone Galt)
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To: pepsionice
And who would spend precious minutes in a house like this...hunting down the cellphones? It’s either one of the parents or a very close relative.

Unless they are both there on the coffee table.

And you've jumped right to the conclusion you are going to reach.

Which is why I don't spend time trying to take care of foundlings.

You have issues.

/johnny

4 posted on 10/07/2011 1:47:25 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (gone Galt)
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To: pepsionice; JRandomFreeper

This story has a funny smell to it for me as well. Something’s not adding up.

Stranger abduction of an infant is exceedingly rare; only 283 or so case since 1983. Of these, only 12 instances occur where the infant has not been brought back to the parent or parents. Of course, it is a possibility and one that, for the time being, I will not preclude.

Taking the cellphones is unusual. Most homes have a landline, even households that possess cellphones, though in fairness I do know some of my friends have gone strictly cellphone, so that might be the case here. If the kidnapper stole the cellphones, it would be so that the parents couldn’t call 911 to report the crime, to delay notification of the police. Okay, that makes some sense. Yet nothing else is missing from the house, at least according to the parents. Just the cellphones and the baby. So common burglary is out of the question, and I can’t think of a common burglar wanting to suddenly graduate to kidnapping. Mind you, there are some tweakers out there in the world who might do something so utterly insane, but that’s a fairly small probability.
I suspect a financial motive. If this was a random abduction, it would likely be to sell the baby for a tidy profit. There is the possibility that some unhinged person or persons kidnapped the child simply because she’s a cute kid, and they wanted her as their own; that’s usually the case in instances like this. But I’m starting to suspect that the baby has been sold. And I’m starting to suspect that one, or maybe both, of the parents may be involved. Hopefully, investigators are looking at their finances; are they heavily in debt, etc.? This is strictly a suspicion on my part, and I admit, ever since Susan Smith, I look a little more askance at these kind of cases. The sad truth is that in the vast majority of these cases, the perp is someone close to the victim.

As to the cellphones? Most likely powered off and disposed of to make it look like a theft.

Why would the authorities publicly come out and state that the parents are no longer cooperating in the investigation? A pressure tactic, perhaps? I don’t have kids, but certainly, if this were my little girl, I’d be cooperating with the investigators to the point of being a pain in the a§§.

There’s something rotten in Kansas City. This case is becoming more peculiar every day.


5 posted on 10/07/2011 2:15:20 AM PDT by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad
though in fairness I do know some of my friends have gone strictly cellphone,

Very gracious of you. I don't know anyone except one brother that has a land-line.

It's just not cost-effective, and most people are at least that smart.

Why would the authorities publicly come out and state that the parents are no longer cooperating in the investigation? A pressure tactic, perhaps?

Probably mostly because the lawyer they hired to navigate the 'justice system' told them to shut the hell up.

You are hella naive. And watch way too much TV.

/johnny

6 posted on 10/07/2011 2:22:32 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Landlines are becoming obsolete, you’re quite right. Here in the Czech Republic, it’s really only businesses that have them, and there are some businesses that are only cellphone.

You have a point about the lawyers: to be honest, I haven’t read that the parents lawyered up, though when dealing with law enforcement, it’s a good idea. And their lawyer probably told them to not say so much.

As to TV, the only TV I have here is Czech, and I didn’t find out about this case except for the internet; this story hasn’t received any coverage here in the Czech media. The reason I have my suspicions about the parents, like I said, is because of the Susan Smith case (and a few others like Diane Downs). There was a similar case to this near Prague in about 2002 as I recall. A young woman, in her 20s, claimed her 11 month old son had been kidnapped. Naturally, THAT made the news here big time, and there was an extensive search for the child for about one week or so. Shortly after the search, which found nothing, the Czech police revealed that the young woman had was lying. Turned out, she had accidentally smothered the child (she was kind of a corn-fed heifer and rolled over the child in her sleep), and she buried the body in the basement of her apartment building, as I recall. I certainly do hope however, no matter my suspicions, that the child is found safe and unharmed.


7 posted on 10/07/2011 2:40:40 AM PDT by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Make that, “had been lying” in my response. Finger typing faster than the brain allows. Oops.


8 posted on 10/07/2011 2:43:15 AM PDT by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

LOL I have a land line and no cell phone.


9 posted on 10/07/2011 2:45:35 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: pepsionice
It's not just those points either. What about the police saying the only way into the house would have been through an aparently unlocked chest high hall window? Not only is it a rather small window but there are now signs of forced entery, now marks on the ground or small planter undeneath the window.

If someone had managed to open it quietly how could they have pulled themselves up and through the window then into the hall without making a sound?

After that they had to sneak down the hall and into the baby's room, grab the baby without waking it, also find the 3 cellophones and grab them then get back to the window and slither out with the baby in hand.

Possibly they could have exited out the door but that's even more chance of making noise.

You are correct, something smells.

10 posted on 10/07/2011 2:53:12 AM PDT by prisoner6 (Right Wing Nuts bolt Thsese Constitution together as the loose sicianscrews of the Left fall out!)
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To: prisoner6

now = no 2x...jeesh!


11 posted on 10/07/2011 2:54:45 AM PDT by prisoner6 (Right Wing Nuts bolt Thsese Constitution together as the loose sicianscrews of the Left fall out!)
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To: freekitty
I have a land line and no cell phone.

So you agree that you just can't make assumptions, based on what you are doing at the moment, or what you see on TV.

I have NO land line, and actually, sorta cut down the wires. But I do have a cell for the business.

/johnny

12 posted on 10/07/2011 2:55:12 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

I agree you can’t make assumptions.


13 posted on 10/07/2011 2:56:42 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: freekitty

LOL. My father lived in Oregon, near Portland, and I remember in 2003 or so, when I was here in Europe (been here since 2001), he called me and asked about ditching his landline and going with straight cellphone service. He wound up having both; he just couldn’t give up the landline. And he always had an old rotary phone.....never anything with push buttons for the landline.


14 posted on 10/07/2011 2:56:56 AM PDT by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: freekitty
Lots of folks here are.

/johnny

15 posted on 10/07/2011 2:59:45 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (gone Galt)
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To: freekitty

The sole priority should be finding this little girl, and getting her back safe and sound.

Prayers that she’s ok.


16 posted on 10/07/2011 3:02:20 AM PDT by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

No additional insight here - the story just recaps what aired on the local news. I have a feeling the police are pressing the family on the cell phone issue, as well as point of entry. The cell phone thing is strange to me (and surely is to the police also). For most people, the phone is a constant companion...by their bed during the night...not in a place where it could easily be spirited out of the house.


17 posted on 10/07/2011 3:04:07 AM PDT by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: lacrew
For most people, the phone is a constant companion...by their bed during the night.

Who are you? I have to hunt up my phone to find it. After I put in my teeth, tie up my hair, and uncross my eyes.

You really sleep with a cell phone? I felt bad about sleeping with some of these old local gals from Jacksborro Highway.

I can't imagine your shame.

/johnny

18 posted on 10/07/2011 3:21:49 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (gone Galt)
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To: lacrew

Most cell phones have a GPS tracking feature. Phone company logs their proximity to cell phone towers...FWIW


19 posted on 10/07/2011 3:23:11 AM PDT by Paisan
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To: pepsionice

I have been thinking the same thing. The cellphones tripped me up because they could be located most of the time to within about 300 feet or so by triangulation from cell towers. I just learned they were missing today. Strange.


20 posted on 10/07/2011 3:23:11 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad
Prayers that she’s ok.

I'm good for that as well.

But we do know that she's not going to be.

I can't fix that.

/johnny

21 posted on 10/07/2011 3:26:38 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (gone Galt)
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To: Paisan
Most cell phones have a GPS tracking feature. Phone company logs their proximity to cell phone towers...FWIW

Having worked at Ericsson/// on the cell phone stuff. And having worked on some of the patents. Even during 9/11, when folks were crazy to isolate cell phones to piles of rubble....

GPS and cell towers are two different things.

Really. One gives exact coordinates. The other gives relative signal strength.

Learn the diff.

/johnny

22 posted on 10/07/2011 3:33:15 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (gone Galt)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

The cops figure the parents are in on it, and are doing whatever they can to put additional pressure on them.


23 posted on 10/07/2011 3:34:03 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

??? Yes, my cell phone charges near my bed...also serves as my alarm clock. I think that is fairly normal. What is not normal is to have every cell phone in the house in some common area, where somebody could collect them all and take out of the house. Its exactly the kind of ‘it doesn’t add up’ item, which would interest the police. This story is going to have a tragic ending...not sure why its being treated as fodder for aspiring comedians.


24 posted on 10/07/2011 3:35:47 AM PDT by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

Prayers for the safety of this little one! We have all seen horrible tragedies when the parent(s) are involved and when they are not (and law enforcement seems to think so).


25 posted on 10/07/2011 3:38:35 AM PDT by momtothree
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To: lacrew

Isn’t the point of having a cell phone so you can take it with you. Why wouldn’t the father take a phone with him to work? I mean, they got three of them. The stolen phone story might be a way to explain any delay the parents had in calling the cops.


26 posted on 10/07/2011 3:38:35 AM PDT by Krankor
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To: lacrew
I think that is fairly normal.

You would be wrong.

Some folks don't like RF devices near their head (crazies, but not as bad as you). Some folks just put everything right there on the table before they go to bed in the other room. Folding cash, silver, cigarettes, lighter, pocket knife, .380 and the cell phone.

Different folks, different things.

You seem to assume that what you do isn't weird.

I find it weird and somewhat disturbing.

/johnny

27 posted on 10/07/2011 3:42:39 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (gone Galt)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

The mother didn’t have a TEAR....she was crying without one tear.......color my SKEPTICAL. That POOR baby....wherever she may be.


28 posted on 10/07/2011 3:43:24 AM PDT by Ann Archy ( ABORTION...the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Are you the MOTHER or the FATHER??? You really are a head case with all of your comments.....I pray for you, you need help, Johnny boy.


29 posted on 10/07/2011 3:48:17 AM PDT by Ann Archy ( ABORTION...the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Ann Archy
The mother didn’t have a TEAR....she was crying without one tear.......color my SKEPTICAL.

Ever hear of 'cried out'?

My momma died last month. I was dry eyed at the funeral.

My emotions are not for public display.

/johnny

30 posted on 10/07/2011 3:49:38 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (gone Galt)
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To: Ann Archy
I'm just a my kind of me.

I do have a pony-tail, don't have teeth, and pick on people that jump to conclusions.(accesories include folding cash, pocket knife, real silver, a historic Llama .380 from back when they were good, a used pair of glasses and the company cell phone, wherever it is.)

/johnny

31 posted on 10/07/2011 3:55:58 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

OMG!!!!


32 posted on 10/07/2011 3:59:42 AM PDT by Ann Archy ( ABORTION...the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Learn the diff.

Not interested.

Point is, cell phones can be tracked.

Get the point...


33 posted on 10/07/2011 4:01:28 AM PDT by Paisan
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

As soon as the story broke and they said someone climbed in through a window in the middle of the night I thought to myself “Uh huh, how many times have we heard this one”. Poor child, I hope she is found okay.


34 posted on 10/07/2011 4:06:14 AM PDT by Scythian
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To: Ann Archy

Yeah, the parents’ impassioned plea became the usual red flag.

We’ve seen too much to believe what Big Media is selling.


35 posted on 10/07/2011 4:21:02 AM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: JRandomFreeper

“You seem to assume that what you do isn’t weird.” - projection. I think you are trying to be cute, and a contrarian. I’m not interested in sidebar fights, when it really is a serious subject.


36 posted on 10/07/2011 4:26:31 AM PDT by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: Paisan
Cell phones can be tracked

and sometimes they provide other useful information, like numbers you connected to. If the parents were involved in any scheme, they'd want to dispose of the phone used. The disappearance of the other phones just makes it seem less suspicious.

37 posted on 10/07/2011 4:41:48 AM PDT by Lady Lucky ( Patriots have always put country first.)
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To: freekitty

I have both. The first thing that will fail in a natural disaster is the cell towers. At least the land lines are self powered and most places the wiring is buried.


38 posted on 10/07/2011 5:04:42 AM PDT by USAF80
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To: Scythian; JRandomFreeper; All

Heard a report (media), though haven’t read anywhere, the front door was unlocked during the time the mother put the child down till the father came in (from work) and found the front door unlocked. If (heard) report is accurate front door was unlocked for a five (plus) hour period. Damage from window entry would be obvious. There should be someone who noticed window damage (if was prior) to child having gone missing (possibly). Speculating on my part. Have not followed this case closely. Praying the child is found safe.


39 posted on 10/07/2011 5:11:52 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: Ann Archy

I noticed that as well. Perhaps that is what raises my suspicions: it reminds me very much of Susan Smith.

Interestingly, it has emerged (on a blog, which I’m not going to pimp) that the mother failed a polygraph. Don’t jump on me! I’m aware that a polygraph is inadmissible in court, and there are a WIDE variety of reasons for false positives or negatives. I do find that nugget of information highly interesting, however.

If you go to Google, enter in “Lisa Irwin missing”, you’ll see it. I won’t name the blog, because like I said, I don’t like blog pimping. In the story, the mother admits the police told her she failed, but she maintains that’s impossible.

More curious by the hour, it seems. Prayers above all for finding this little girl.


40 posted on 10/07/2011 5:16:07 AM PDT by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

You have a point.

My parents died in 2004 and 2008 respectively.

I didn’t cry. Not one tear, at least in public. It’s not that I’m inhuman or something.....I was profoundly saddened by their passings. However, my parents were both older when I was born, and since my earliest childhood, they both told me in a very rationalist manner that they would die, and I would have to accept it, and that I shouldn’t be upset about it, as death is a natural facet of life. Stiff upper lip, so to speak.

When your parents tell you this starting at around the age of four or five, it sinks in. Both of my parents were of the World War 2 generation, with little sentimentality.

As an example....when I was about five, I naturally asked the immortal question, “Where do babies come from?”. My mother handed me a medical encyclopedia that fully explained the process of life from conception to childbirth. Illustrated with pictures of childbirth. She told me to ask her about anything which I didn’t understand fully, and she explained it much in the way I guess a scientist would explain it. She then elaborated on the tremendous responsibilities entailed by creating another life. It sunk in.

So, I do understand what you mean. For some people, emotional displays are simply not for public display.


41 posted on 10/07/2011 5:28:13 AM PDT by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: Ann Archy

I lost a son in an accident and there was a time when I had cried so much that when I started sobbing, there were no more tears and I could only cry without tears. It felt strange, but it happens.


42 posted on 10/07/2011 5:58:00 AM PDT by Shimmer1 (No matter how cynical I get, I just can't keep up.)
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To: Paisan
Point is, cell phones can be tracked.

not when they are off

43 posted on 10/07/2011 5:59:30 AM PDT by 09Patriot (your freedom to be you, includes my freedom to be from you.--Wilkow)
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To: 09Patriot
Point is, cell phones can be tracked.

not when they are off

Yes They Can!

I saw on CSI where they can 'remotely' turn the phone on and trace it!!
(So There) 8)/sarc

44 posted on 10/07/2011 6:07:18 AM PDT by freejohn ("Never argue with a fool; onlookers may not be able to tell the difference." --- Mark Twain)
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To: lacrew

but not only that, why did the dad go to work, at an overnight job which he alledgedly never does, and leaves his cell phone?? That does NOT ring true. Wifey says she was programming it?? You don’t leave your phone behind to program it.


45 posted on 10/07/2011 6:15:49 AM PDT by spacejunkie01
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To: JRandomFreeper

you are one rude sob.


46 posted on 10/07/2011 6:20:00 AM PDT by spacejunkie01
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To: pepsionice

The mom said the cell phones were on the kitchen counter. Wouldn’t have had to really hunt. Leaving lights on was weird.


47 posted on 10/07/2011 6:24:23 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012 (!)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

To me, this is less like Susan Smith and more like that case in Tampa where the couple had 2 older boys and a baby girl, and the baby girl went missing. The parents were highly suspect but nothing ever happened. Never found the baby; never charged the parents.


48 posted on 10/07/2011 6:27:28 AM PDT by spacejunkie01
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To: USAF80
I have both. The first thing that will fail in a natural disaster is the cell towers. At least the land lines are self powered and most places the wiring is buried.

Bingo. One of the WTC bldgs. had the towers for that area. Guess what!

In a large emergency you can forget cell phone communications.

49 posted on 10/07/2011 6:27:52 AM PDT by Vinnie
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To: lacrew

There are on the market now electronic charger stations that hold two or three phones and those portable gaming gizmos that many people use. Most of the stations I have seen are located by the door into the garage area so one can drop it when one returns from work in the evening then pick the phone up on the way out the door the next morning. I wish we had one.


50 posted on 10/07/2011 6:36:31 AM PDT by Vor Lady (Everyone should read The Importance of the Electoral College by Geo. Grant)
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