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Farmers Encouraged to Comment on DOL Proposed Rules (prohibits most farm employment nder 16)
Drovers Cattle Network ^ | October 5, 2011 | Greg Henderson

Posted on 10/07/2011 11:44:25 AM PDT by prairiebreeze

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.. Labor Dept. announced proposal that would help ensure the safety of youth on farms. But,...as farm advocates claim (they) are far too restrictive.

“Here’s what the government thinks is common sense,” says Craig Anderson, Agriculture Labor and Safety Services division manager at the Michigan Farm Bureau. “Eliminate work to protect workers. If you don’t work, you can’t be hurt on the job. Who can argue with that?”

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“The DOL assumes that youth under age 16 lack the ‘cognitive ability’ to herd animals on horseback, use battery-powered drills, put hay bales on a bale elevator or use any equipment except if powered by hand or foot.”

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The grandparents own the land, their children are buying into the farm and may have some land on their own, and the grandchildren are working to understand what it takes to be a farmer. If the parents and grandparents operate the farm, the grandchildren under 16 would be prohibited from working on the operation."

"Don't let the spin fool you," Anderson says. "They'll say there's nothing for farm families to worry about because there is an exemption for children working on their parents' farm. The DOL proposal says it will maintain the family exemption, but later limits the exemption for any business or multi-generation farm."

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The document would seem to eliminate working with 4-H and FFA animals, or proper care and well-being of animals. DOL says youth would be “prohibited from engaging, or assisting in…treating sick or injured animals.”

Youth also would not be allowed, under the proposal, to cut and separate cattle from a herd if riding a horse. Such restrictions and inconsistencies are why Anderson and other Michigan Farm Bureau officials are pleading with farmers to submit comments to the DOL before Nov. 1.

(Excerpt) Read more at cattlenetwork.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: farm; globalism; hollywoodranchers; kids; labor; monsanto; nannystate; socialism
Look at the impact this would have on 4-H and FFA not to mention the family farm. Besides being an attack on agriculture apparently the Obama administration is looking to create more smelly protestors who have little to no job skills and who haven't been brought up in union mentality.

I had to excerpt much more than I wanted to, the entire piece is well worth a read.

1 posted on 10/07/2011 11:44:28 AM PDT by prairiebreeze
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To: prairiebreeze

Today’s bit of further evidence that this gubment must be destroyed.


2 posted on 10/07/2011 11:52:57 AM PDT by Drill Thrawl (0 - 537 They ALL must go.)
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To: prairiebreeze

These idiots need to understand that life is dangerous, whether you are 6 or 60. If they get away with this they will kill the family farm. Maybe that is their goal.


3 posted on 10/07/2011 11:55:28 AM PDT by RC2
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To: prairiebreeze

This is part of a planned attack (my opinion only) on small farms.

A large agra-business managing thousands of acres can afford to hire help and pay benefits for same. Not so for a family farm.

This is no differant than the new requirements from the NTSB stating all farm vehicle operators will be required to obtain CDL’s.

BTW; If a farm does not sell or transport any product across state lines, where does any federal group have the authority to come on the farm ?


4 posted on 10/07/2011 11:57:13 AM PDT by maine yankee (I got my Governor at 'Marden's')
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To: prairiebreeze

I own a farm. I will have milk cows next year, probably in February, one month after the arrival of my SON.

He will be working the farm with his daddy as soon as he is big enough to move safely among the large animals.

We are going to start him in 4-H as young as possible starting with small animals and working his way up to cattle.

Fedzilla can stuff it.


5 posted on 10/07/2011 11:58:27 AM PDT by Grunthor (Heartless Bigot for Cain.)
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To: prairiebreeze

Obama seems to be targeting every possible group in the USA to alienate.

I grew up on a farm/ranch where it was expected the kids would be driving tractors by age 8 and big trucks by age 10.

I learned that work would not kill a person by doing those tasks.

Obama wants to make kids afraid of work so he can distribute wealth to these future non-performers.


6 posted on 10/07/2011 11:58:58 AM PDT by Presbyterian Reporter
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To: prairiebreeze

From what I understand, there are far fewer injuries to kids on farms than there are injuries from kids on their skate boards or bikes.

Leave the farmers alone.


7 posted on 10/07/2011 11:59:21 AM PDT by Jonty30
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To: Jonty30

Amen!


8 posted on 10/07/2011 12:06:28 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: Grunthor

The Lord bless and keep you, and preserve you from EPA regulations, taxation, and all other enemies to the well-being of you and your family.

My brother is a dairy farmer, and the EPA and somatic-cell requirements right now - together with a brand new $3 million (before interest) school that will have about 40 students in it in about 10 years - are likely as not to put him and the other small farmers in his area out of business. It’s tough to be a little guy in a world where the people with big money can do whatever they want to little guys.


9 posted on 10/07/2011 12:11:04 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion

I will have the advantage that I am not looking to make a living at it. It is more a labor of love. Yes I will be selling dairy products and eggs up and down our valley here but I think that if I am lucky we’ll just make enough to break even.

I also am a prepper, and I see having a fully functioning and self sufficient farm as being a necessity in the not-too-distant future.


10 posted on 10/07/2011 12:14:56 PM PDT by Grunthor (Heartless Bigot for Cain.)
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To: prairiebreeze

Maybe with 9.1% unemployment, the DOL could restrict workers to AMERICAN CITIZENS?!?!?!??!


11 posted on 10/07/2011 12:16:18 PM PDT by G Larry (I dream of a day when a man is judged by the content of his character)
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To: prairiebreeze

How will you determine their age??????


12 posted on 10/07/2011 12:17:34 PM PDT by G Larry (I dream of a day when a man is judged by the content of his character)
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To: prairiebreeze

Dear Government, get the hell out of our lives, or some day... we will take you out, period.

I am alive.... I AM ALIVE!!!!

For crying out loud, I started working around farms when I was 11 years old. While I was never a farmer, I liked it and my parents wanted all 6 of us to learn work ethics and the value of hard work. I wanted to earn a little cash. We were dirt poor and we needed the extra cash. We NEVER took government handouts.

Heck, my brother and I used to buck hay... we would set the hook under the back bumper of the truck and the driver would drag us across the fields to the next group of bales. I would get a hay rash and beat up a bit, but it was fun and guess what—I am still alive!!

I had my son and daughter out doing the same kind of things when they were young.... I wasn’t poor, but I wanted them to learn the same things and to stay busy.

My kids didn’t get into trouble with the law, (I was a cop, I would have killed them—or so they thought. LOL) and they were never dopers.... they were kept too busy to get involved in that garbage.


From the Declaration of Independence:

“That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.”

ARE WE THERE YET?


13 posted on 10/07/2011 12:25:59 PM PDT by Gator113 (I don't suport any of them....)
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To: maine yankee

Obama’s goons see Teamsters driving every tractor in this country. Remember how dismissive he was of that farmer who asked him about burdensome regulations being developed?


14 posted on 10/07/2011 12:47:59 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Presbyterian Reporter

The goal of a communist state is that you can get NOTHING that doesn’t come from the communist party.

This is why he is targeting for destruction any demographic that has any lick of self-sufficiency.

The left has been trying to destroy “the gun culture” for quite a while now, making it harder for a father to pass on his ability to use firearms to his offspring.


15 posted on 10/07/2011 12:50:56 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: prairiebreeze

I smell big ag constituents and social weirdos against small farmers again.


16 posted on 10/07/2011 1:08:50 PM PDT by familyop ("Don't worry, they'll row for a month before they figure out I'm fakin' it." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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To: prairiebreeze

Thanks for the post. I had not seen the proposed rules and did not know that they are available for comment. I would like to suggest that anyone with possible interests read the proposed rules and provide pertinent comments. http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2011-09-02/pdf/2011-21924.pdf


17 posted on 10/07/2011 1:15:30 PM PDT by Western Phil
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To: Grunthor

“I will have milk cows next year, probably in February, one month after the arrival of my SON.”
^^^^^^^^^

Congratulations!

Every time a future tea party member is born (or anyone, for that matter), a liberal gets its screams.

Be sure to post a photo when the future Freeper arrives.


18 posted on 10/07/2011 1:20:18 PM PDT by PastorBooks
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To: PastorBooks

“Be sure to post a photo when the future Freeper arrives.”

For that happy occasion, I’ll learn how to post a photo here.


19 posted on 10/07/2011 1:42:30 PM PDT by Grunthor (Heartless Bigot for Cain.)
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To: prairiebreeze
This is another attack on the foundations of the US. It is all about power and control, and fostered dependency. Make most residents (not even necessarily citizens) totally dependent on the state and lacking any skills to make it on their own, and the Democrats will rule forever.
20 posted on 10/07/2011 2:19:55 PM PDT by Truth29
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To: Gator113; All

My husband started driving a tractor and farm truck when he was 6. Yes...six. He started working off of his dad’s farm, for farmers with more land, when he was 12.

He put himself through college, undergrad and grad school largely through what he made working out on farms.

I also grew up on a farm. Helped in many aspects, including livestock. I never got hurt and learned just how much it takes to make a farm operational.

Thanks everybody for the comments. Please read and send your comments to the DOL if you can.


21 posted on 10/07/2011 2:28:53 PM PDT by prairiebreeze (I guess I'll keep living until I die.)
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To: prairiebreeze


22 posted on 10/07/2011 4:24:07 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Chode
You know, in the actual "recovery" symbol used by Obama, the green sprouting plant (lower left) representing agriculture and the gears (lower right) representing industry are a communist symbol -- the modern equivalent of the hammer (industry) and sickle (agriculture).
23 posted on 10/07/2011 8:05:35 PM PDT by PENANCE
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To: maine yankee
BTW; If a farm does not sell or transport any product across state lines, where does any federal group have the authority to come on the farm ?

Wickard v. Filburn (1942), a SCOTUS decision under FDR, and one of the first large steps toward communism in America.

24 posted on 10/07/2011 8:09:35 PM PDT by PENANCE
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To: prairiebreeze
Always trying to protect us from ourselves. Scanning the pdf I see repeated mention of kids not working during 'school hours'. What a joke, does this mean they will force home schoolers to comply with the local districts hours? How the **** will they know when and if my child is working on the farm? Will they be spying on us? I saw mention of grandparents owning farm and there is no exemption for grandkids working there. This is very common, my son worked for his grandparents since I can remember. Who will enforce these new rules? A whole new agency that does nothing but check for kids working? geez

Not sure comments will do any good, but I'll do it. Plus contract my congress critter, who is a family farmer himself.

25 posted on 10/07/2011 8:18:07 PM PDT by buschbaby (if you have nothing witty to say - leave this space blank)
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To: PENANCE
subliminal message
26 posted on 10/07/2011 9:06:19 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Grunthor

My almost 3 year old granddaughter helps me feed livestock, work my beehives, and work in the garden. Start ‘em early and they develop the love of farm and work early. :)


27 posted on 10/07/2011 9:10:53 PM PDT by JustaDumbBlonde (Don't wish doom on your enemies. Plan it.)
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To: Gator113

I have those words from the Declaration printed out in a red, white and blue design and it hangs on the front of my fridge.


28 posted on 10/07/2011 9:13:42 PM PDT by JustaDumbBlonde (Don't wish doom on your enemies. Plan it.)
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To: buschbaby

I suppose if a steer kicks the shin of a youngster and you take him to the doctor to have it checked, the doctor will then have to report it.

As for who is going to know if farm kids are working....probably the same people who will enforce dust rules making it a crime to drive down a dirt road.

Thanks for your comments and calls.


29 posted on 10/08/2011 5:06:51 AM PDT by prairiebreeze (I guess I'll keep living until I die.)
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To: RC2

“Maybe that is their goal.”
/////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

It could be and maybe water will keep flowing down hill and maybe the Sun will still set in the West. What I am trying to say is that you have an unneeded word in that sentence.


30 posted on 10/08/2011 6:14:49 AM PDT by RipSawyer ("IDIOCRACY" is a documentary of current conditions in America.)
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To: prairiebreeze

I started walking behind a plow pulled by a draft horse when I was still in grade school, no more than ten years old. My mother told us how her father who died before I was born was nearly killed once by a bull he owned, this happened before mother’s birth. Her oldest brother, who was born in 1899 got the bull away from his father with a pitchfork before the bull could kill my grandfather. That uncle was fourteen or fifteen when he did that. Under these proposed rules he would not be allowed to operate the pitchfork.


31 posted on 10/08/2011 6:25:00 AM PDT by RipSawyer ("IDIOCRACY" is a documentary of current conditions in America.)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

Excellent.

BTW... every time I look at your profile I admire that pic in the wheat field. I have never lived near wheat fields, but I find them to be beautiful. I have no idea why.

When we travel, especially the trips we’ve made on our Harley, I can’t get the smile off of my face when we pass by them. Go figure. LOL


32 posted on 10/08/2011 10:20:30 AM PDT by Gator113 (I don't suport any of them....)
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To: Gator113
Wheat fields are beautiful, especially when the wind in blowing. I never fully appreciated the lines in America The Beautiful until I saw a seemingly never-ending field of wheat in Kansas.

O beautiful for spacious skies,
For amber waves of grain,
For purple mountain majesties
Above the fruited plain!

Wheat is also very pretty when it is still green. I'll put one of those on my profile as soon as I have time to find it.

Thank you for your kind words!

33 posted on 10/09/2011 10:35:36 AM PDT by JustaDumbBlonde (Don't wish doom on your enemies. Plan it.)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

I will look forward to that pic. Yes, it looks best in the wind.

My wife was born and raised in Kansas, so she appreciates wheat fields, but I am a mountain, tall trees and saltwater kinda guy, so it’s a mystery as to why I like the stuff so much..... I think it’s because it’s “country”.

While on vacation this year, we had hoped to pass by a wheat field, but because of Obama’s economy and the market, we changed our plans at the last minute, so it just wasn’t meant to be. I wanted to see if the farmer might let us pick some (buy or give) to use for decorative items in our Airstream trailer.

I am a 50’s and earlier memorabilia kind of guy, but I thought a few wheat items would go well with what I have, as well as with the style of the Airstream.

Perhaps next year.....


34 posted on 10/09/2011 12:34:36 PM PDT by Gator113 (~ Just livin' life~)
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