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Alabama Immigration Threat: Prove Your Legal Status Or Lose Water Supply
Guardian (UK) ^ | October 07, 2011 | Ed Pilkington

Posted on 10/07/2011 9:09:18 PM PDT by Steelfish

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1 posted on 10/07/2011 9:09:23 PM PDT by Steelfish
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To: Steelfish

We rent some properties in our town. Renters have to have a lease signed by the landlord for utilities. No different than this.


2 posted on 10/07/2011 9:12:12 PM PDT by healy61
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To: Steelfish

Those folks are serious.


3 posted on 10/07/2011 9:12:37 PM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: Steelfish

Squatters have no rights


4 posted on 10/07/2011 9:16:03 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: Steelfish

ah yes the time old saying “or else you will get your water cut off”....its worked since the beginning of history and appears to work again..


5 posted on 10/07/2011 9:18:44 PM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: unkus

That’s an understatement...AL makes AZ look like an amateur.


6 posted on 10/07/2011 9:18:59 PM PDT by max americana (FUBO NATION 2012 FK BARAK)
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To: Steelfish
It's designed to make life so miserable that people self-deport, and this poster is a vivid example of what that looks like,"

and this is a problem because? ....

7 posted on 10/07/2011 9:22:40 PM PDT by Borough Park
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To: max americana

Good for Alabama.


8 posted on 10/07/2011 9:26:11 PM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: Steelfish

The Holder Justice Dept has to be zipping around like rats on speed over this.

Fun to see. Imagine if every state did this.


9 posted on 10/07/2011 9:28:11 PM PDT by lurk
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To: unkus
Those folks are serious.

Indeed they are! Hopefully they become a future template. :)

10 posted on 10/07/2011 9:34:27 PM PDT by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: Netizen

Those folks are serious.

Indeed they are! Hopefully they become a future template. :)
.................

Yes.


11 posted on 10/07/2011 9:36:34 PM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: eyedigress
Squatters have no rights

They do in Rick Perry's Texas.

12 posted on 10/07/2011 9:37:52 PM PDT by South40 (I will vote for Perry if he's the last man standing against Romney. ~ Jim Robinson 10/5/2011)
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To: lurk

The Holder Justice Dept has to be zipping around like rats on speed over this.

Fun to see. Imagine if every state did this.


Alabama and every state need to tell the Feds to go to hell.

Tenth Amendment.


13 posted on 10/07/2011 9:40:08 PM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: South40

Squatters have no rights

They do in Rick Perry’s Texas.


Gov. Brewer of AZ has more cajones than Rick Perry.


14 posted on 10/07/2011 9:43:27 PM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: South40
They do in Rick Perry's Texas.

BWAHAHAHAHAHA

15 posted on 10/07/2011 9:43:37 PM PDT by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: South40

I have yet to vet candidate Perry, but my support thus far is Herman Cain. I need a lot of information from all of the candidates before I send monetary support. I need to know the areas of disagreement with me and weigh that. I want them all to stand up for what they truly believe in, then let me decide on those negatives.


16 posted on 10/07/2011 9:45:36 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: Netizen

I guess if you lose your license due to a DUI, you lose your water service too.

Of course, a water bill will help establish residency when you re-apply for a driver’s license. Just a birth certificate isn’t enough.

Now if you’re from Georgia and have a Georgia driver’s license and move to Alabama, you’ll have to go to the DMV and switch. Of course, they’ll ask for proof of residency. A utility bill will do. Except that you can’t get water service without an Alabama driver’s license.


17 posted on 10/07/2011 9:49:38 PM PDT by Qout
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To: Qout

The way it is posted is probably incorrect. Look again


18 posted on 10/07/2011 9:52:02 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: Qout

The good thing is there are other utilities besides a water bill to prove residency!


19 posted on 10/07/2011 9:55:40 PM PDT by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: eyedigress

I would also think they already have ID cards for those that have lost their license for whatever reason. Wish people would STOP making excuses up to be lenient on illegals.


20 posted on 10/07/2011 9:58:30 PM PDT by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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Alabama Bill
21 posted on 10/07/2011 10:00:03 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: Netizen

Of course they do. They cite US code on everything they match. It is not a harbor for illegals, and they will not be. Alabama is not a stupid state. Your just supposed to think that.


22 posted on 10/07/2011 10:10:08 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: Steelfish

Draconian? Nah, angelic.


23 posted on 10/07/2011 10:10:21 PM PDT by Avery Iota Kracker (He hate me)
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To: Netizen

Yeah, remind me not to purchase a winter home in Gulf Shores. It wouldn’t be the same without hot water.


24 posted on 10/07/2011 10:10:28 PM PDT by Qout
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To: Qout

If your illegal then your correct.


25 posted on 10/07/2011 10:13:48 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: Qout

I understand Houston is a sanctuary city. Maybe you can get hot water there.


26 posted on 10/07/2011 10:15:56 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: eyedigress

Thanks for the text of the bill. I guess an Alabama driver’s license isn’t required. A driver’s license from any state will suffice, or a US passport will do too.


27 posted on 10/07/2011 10:16:31 PM PDT by Qout
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To: Qout

“I guess if you lose your license due to a DUI, you lose your water service too.

Of course, a water bill will help establish residency when you re-apply for a driver’s license. Just a birth certificate isn’t enough.

Now if you’re from Georgia and have a Georgia driver’s license and move to Alabama, you’ll have to go to the DMV and switch. Of course, they’ll ask for proof of residency. A utility bill will do. Except that you can’t get water service without an Alabama driver’s license.”

Exactly. If this was about deporting people, then they would simply deport them. No, this is about government control over the basic functions of life. You need to ask the government permission to turn on your water.

Nobody sees the problems in this? Nobody here is worried that all it takes is some obstructive bureaucrat to cut your water off?

Meanwhile, renting from someone who does have all of the above solves the problem for you, and doesn’t address the problem of illegal immigrants.


28 posted on 10/07/2011 10:16:49 PM PDT by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman! 10 percent is enough for God; 9 percent is enough for government)
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To: Qout

A birth certificate will suffice.


29 posted on 10/07/2011 10:18:45 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: eyedigress
A birth certificate will suffice.

So you can't get water in Alabama w/o a BC but you can be POTUS?

OK.

30 posted on 10/07/2011 10:22:42 PM PDT by South40 (I will vote for Perry if he's the last man standing against Romney. ~ Jim Robinson 10/5/2011)
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To: BenKenobi

Hold it Ben. I had to show a valid DL in Phoenix when I moved from Knoxville. Knoxville required a BC 30 yrs ago. This isn’t anything new. The falsifying has caused the crackdown. The process had holes but it has always been there. Don’t get suckered in on this lefty crap.


31 posted on 10/07/2011 10:23:42 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: South40

I didn’t say he had one nor was I given the chance to vet that so what the hell do you want me to say.......”to hell with it. I didn’t vet the president so “come on down” your the next contestant to “F” America!


32 posted on 10/07/2011 10:27:07 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: eyedigress
I didn’t say he had one nor was I given the chance to vet that so what the hell do you want me to say....

Are you joking or were you seriously bothered by my comment?

It was a comment on Obama not you.

33 posted on 10/07/2011 10:31:08 PM PDT by South40 (I will vote for Perry if he's the last man standing against Romney. ~ Jim Robinson 10/5/2011)
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To: eyedigress

I grew up on a well. A real well, not owned by the government. This really frightens me that the government could just shut off the tap at will.

I understand that fraud is the problem but this won’t catch fraud, nor will it catch those who have assistance from those who are already citizens.

Do you really trust the Obama government not to make mistakes and shut off someone’s water without waiting to get confirmation from them?

They could do that to some shut in, cut her off and then kill her because she has no clue why the water is off.

They should al least wait for confirmation of fraud prior to doing anything.


34 posted on 10/07/2011 10:31:21 PM PDT by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman! 10 percent is enough for God; 9 percent is enough for government)
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To: unkus

We’re trying :)


35 posted on 10/07/2011 10:32:51 PM PDT by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: BenKenobi
Obama didn't do this, our newly elected Governor Bentley did, and the people of Alabama, especially LEGAL Immigrants are behind him, one hundred percent.
36 posted on 10/07/2011 10:35:06 PM PDT by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: Steelfish
Welcome to America...sign the book on your way in and abide by the laws.
37 posted on 10/07/2011 10:39:04 PM PDT by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus sum)
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To: Shadowstrike

I’m sorry. I grew up on a farm. This is just mindboggling to me that people would be ok with this sort of thing. It’s bad enough that the government tries to restrict what can or can’t be done with our own property.

I just hope it doesn’t happen that someone dies because mistakes were made by the bureaucrats.


38 posted on 10/07/2011 10:39:36 PM PDT by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman! 10 percent is enough for God; 9 percent is enough for government)
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I have lived off of wells many times in my life and the Fed has NOTHING to even know where they are. The Governments from 1968 forward thought it was doable as the migrants would come and go.


39 posted on 10/07/2011 10:40:02 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: BenKenobi

This thread isn’t about that.


40 posted on 10/07/2011 10:42:38 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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Ben, the whole country has to show ID to get any service, and they have to show ID, make a deposit, AND pay their bill in a timely matter.

If you don't pay, then you get cut off.

If you have no ID, you cannot get services.

Most do not have their own well, and let me ask this.

was your well an old fashioned hand pump, or was it electric? If electric, and you didn't pay your bill, you didn't get your water.

No one is advocating anyone dying. What the people of Alabama are tired of is people circumventing the LAW.

Many people come legally to America every year, we are just tired of those who think they are so “special” that the law shouldn't apply to them.

41 posted on 10/07/2011 10:46:57 PM PDT by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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If you had 50 years of America in your life you can see the problem. We do not have the ability to have a rush of illegals on a system that we have sustained. It must be a controlled access. Our system is not in good shape and cannot even maintain the crap FDR is forcing us to maintain and pay for.


42 posted on 10/07/2011 10:48:12 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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You’ve been fortunate then.

I really do not trust bureaucrats. They lost my high school diploma and due to a foul up on their end, it took months to sort out before they realized that I really did have all the credentials. I almost lost my place at college because of it.

My mother had to fight to even get me admitted to public school, because I have a disability and the bureaucrats insisted that I go into special education. Back then, everyone with my disability went there. She managed to find a school which would accept me and from there, transferred to the other school once I proved that I could hack it.

The bureaucrats assigned me a ‘monitor’ who’s job was to report back to them. If I wasn’t cutting it he could have put me in special ed.

I understand the rationale behind it. I just don’t trust the bureaucrats.


43 posted on 10/07/2011 10:49:32 PM PDT by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman! 10 percent is enough for God; 9 percent is enough for government)
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To: eyedigress
Alabama is not a stupid state. Your just supposed to think that.

Thank you. Anyone thinking that has imbibed the media kool-aid.

44 posted on 10/07/2011 10:49:47 PM PDT by banjo joe (u)
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“Meanwhile, renting from someone who does have all of the above solves the problem for you, and doesn’t address the problem of illegal immigrants.”

Landlords should never put ANY utilities under their own name. It makes you liable for the bills the tenant racks up. ALWAYS make sure the rental has its own meters for everything and that the tenant gets the utilities turned on in their OWN name.

If it turns out you rented to a nice clean-cut individual who turns out to be an indoor pot farmer, his grow lights and watering systems can generate thousands of dollars in bills per month. Or, if he illegally bypasses the meters, there are fines in the tens of thousands of dollars that YOU are liable for when they are eventually discovered.


45 posted on 10/07/2011 10:52:37 PM PDT by Kellis91789 (There's a reason the mascot of the Democratic Party is a jackass.)
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To: eyedigress

Don’t remind me about FDR.

The country would be in much better shape if it could erase everything the man ever did. The problem is with people forgetting how things were like before him. Not many of those folks around anymore.

I understand the problem with the illegals, but I guess I’m old fashioned. The best defense is a proactive one. With proper border security, you can keep them out of the country altogether.

This, really doesn’t get you to where you need to be, wrt illegal immigrants. It’s easy enough for them to simply rent from someone and have them cover the bills.

And here I thought it was silly to stockpile water in an emergency...


46 posted on 10/07/2011 10:54:31 PM PDT by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman! 10 percent is enough for God; 9 percent is enough for government)
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To: BenKenobi

My Daddy died when I was 13. 7 kids. I worked my tail off and was the best damn dishwasher in the world. We didn’t get much. I joined the service and took off with a ton of hard work and very low pay.


47 posted on 10/07/2011 10:56:29 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: Steelfish

An excellent example of how local governments, blocked by the feds from actually deporting illegals, can use local laws to good effect.

Seizing vehicles of any driver pulled over without a license or insurance will also discourage illegals from your area. Same with enforcement of zoning laws to stop fifteen people from occupying what is zoned as a “single family residence”.


48 posted on 10/07/2011 10:56:29 PM PDT by Kellis91789 (There's a reason the mascot of the Democratic Party is a jackass.)
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I know you’re not advocating that. I’m just worried about the unintended consequences, that’s all. I’m not saying that you are motivated to kill old ladies and whatnot.

I’m just saying, that even with the system as it is, that people have been cut off and the have been killed by power companies when the power companies failed to investigate. We’re talking old folks who might not see the bills come in or even understand what has to be paid with the bills.

The system needs to have the proper feedback to ensure that the only ones who get cut off are from fraud. It’s just too easy to cut corners and be careless, especially if you are in a government job and you cannot be fired for negligence.

As for the pump, it was electric, but you could crank it in a pinch. Came in handy when the power would go out when trees hit the power poles. We were a ways away from ‘civilization’ so we had to be able to function without power for stretches, even in the middle of the winter.

Cities aren’t designed for this though.


49 posted on 10/07/2011 10:58:45 PM PDT by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman! 10 percent is enough for God; 9 percent is enough for government)
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To: eyedigress

“My Daddy died when I was 13. 7 kids. I worked my tail off and was the best damn dishwasher in the world. We didn’t get much. I joined the service and took off with a ton of hard work and very low pay.”

I’m sorry to hear that. I, at least was 28 when mine passed on.

Thank you for your service, sir. May I ask what branch?


50 posted on 10/07/2011 11:01:01 PM PDT by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman! 10 percent is enough for God; 9 percent is enough for government)
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