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GOP Congressional Candidate Attacks Rick Perry on Immigration
American Spectator ^ | 9.29.11 | Staff

Posted on 10/08/2011 3:31:53 AM PDT by BarnacleCenturion

North Carolina Republican congressional candidate Vernon Robinson denounced Texas Gov. Rick Perry's immigration stance outside, as his statement described it, "a Mexican Restaurant which hosts a $1000 a plate fundraiser for fatcats undoubtedly celebrating continued access to cheap drywall and other 7 million jobs held by illegals while 14 million Americans look for work."

"If Governor Perry's amnesty policy is adopted, it will mark the first time a Texan has surrendered to Mexico in 175 years," continued Robinson. Robinson called for using troops to secure the border, implementing e-Verify, cutting off welfare to illegal immigrants, an end to ballot printed in Spanish and other foreign languages, rescinding birthright citizenship, and restricting the jurisdiction of federal judges who stand in the way.

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TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: North Carolina; US: Texas
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1 posted on 10/08/2011 3:32:01 AM PDT by BarnacleCenturion
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To: BarnacleCenturion

That’s gonna leave a mark.


2 posted on 10/08/2011 3:34:37 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Rick Perry has more red flags than a May Day Parade)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Yep. Perry’s gonna need a bigger bandaid.


3 posted on 10/08/2011 3:46:22 AM PDT by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

Only 7 million jobs held by illegals? I think Vernon is being a little modest. I think there are more illegals working then there are Americans who are unemployed.


4 posted on 10/08/2011 3:51:00 AM PDT by Cowboy Bob (Greed + Envy = Liberalism)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

I didn’t know that Robinson was running against Perry. I dislike these political hacks that can only run against someone else that has nothing to do with their election. He should stick to NC business.


5 posted on 10/08/2011 4:09:38 AM PDT by richardtavor (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

Vernon Robinson for President!


6 posted on 10/08/2011 4:33:58 AM PDT by RC one (Voting isn't a simple act of civic duty anymore, it's a complex act of civil war.)
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To: Liz; South40
If Governor Perry's amnesty policy is adopted, it will mark the first time a Texan has surrendered to Mexico in 175 years...

BWahahahahahahahahahahahhahaha!

Too late. Perry has already announced his surrender.

7 posted on 10/08/2011 4:37:17 AM PDT by raybbr (People who still support Obama are either a Marxist or a moron.)
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To: BarnacleCenturion
If you search this guy you get numerous articles that describe him as somewhat of a gadfly and perennial candidate.

No, I'm not going to post the links here.

8 posted on 10/08/2011 4:43:31 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

ROFLOL, the man has a point.


9 posted on 10/08/2011 4:46:50 AM PDT by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by Perry and his fellow democrats.)
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To: BarnacleCenturion
If Governor Perry's amnesty policy is adopted, it will mark the first time a Texan has surrendered to Mexico in 175 years," continued Robinson. Robinson called for using troops to secure the border, implementing e-Verify, cutting off welfare to illegal immigrants, an end to ballot printed in Spanish and other foreign languages, rescinding birthright citizenship, and restricting the jurisdiction of federal judges who stand in the way.

I see a full court press by Romney/Cain to destroy Perry. We will see if it works.

That said, I see all his proposals except e-verify to be outstanding. I would vote for him if I could. I also notice he didn't mention a 2000 mile fence, which is a bonus too.

10 posted on 10/08/2011 5:30:16 AM PDT by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: normy

correction, I would vote for a real candidate who adopted his proposals. I have no idea how serious of a candidate this guy is but someone should adopt his proposals.


11 posted on 10/08/2011 5:32:49 AM PDT by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Too bad all the MONEY guys are dead set (pun?) on more and more illegals and thier cheap labor.
The rank and file members of the voting public—even RINOS and Dhimmocrats—are against them by a WIDE margin. Even a majority of the (legal) Hispanics (sic.).


12 posted on 10/08/2011 5:42:27 AM PDT by Flintlock (Photo ID for all voters--let our dead rest in peace.)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

Hey BC. The Federal Gov sets the immigration policy, not the states.
Perry is solidly on the books as being against illegal immigration.
We round em up down here in Texas everyday and hand them over to ICE
We have spent over 400 million of Texas Tax payer money covering the slack of the Fed on this matter. what has NC done?

All Perry can honestly be criticized for is how he deals with the problem of dealing with the illegals ICE refuses to deport.

I am sick of the disingenuous spin.


13 posted on 10/08/2011 5:52:22 AM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

Next you’ll be telling me he said Mormonism is a cult.


14 posted on 10/08/2011 5:53:25 AM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

Robinson called for using troops to secure the border, implementing e-Verify, cutting off welfare to illegal immigrants, an end to ballot printed in Spanish and other foreign languages, rescinding birthright citizenship, and restricting the jurisdiction of federal judges who stand in the way

Are you saying Perry is against those things?


15 posted on 10/08/2011 5:59:56 AM PDT by csmusaret (The only borders Obama has closed is a bookstore.)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

Perry did it to himself. The moment he called people heartless for not supporting in-state tuition for the kids of illegals, he ended his political career outside of Texas. We don’t want “Bush 45”. Compassionate conservatism died with the last administration.


16 posted on 10/08/2011 6:01:58 AM PDT by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

Ya gotta luv ol Vern!!!


17 posted on 10/08/2011 6:06:18 AM PDT by rrrod (at home in Medellin Colombia)
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To: csmusaret

Perry is against E verify.
His stance is that it is ineffective and only adds to regulation of business.
As far as anchor babies go you will have to get 2/3 of congress and the senate to rescind the national immigration act that passed into law 46 years ago by an 82% margin.

Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965 (Hart-Celler Act, INS, Act of 1965, Pub. L. No. 89-236)[1] abolished the National Origins Formula that had been in place in the United States since the Immigration Act of 1924. It was proposed by United States Representative Emanuel Celler of New York, co-sponsored by United States Senator Philip Hart of Michigan and heavily supported by United States Senator Ted Kennedy of Massachusetts.[2]


18 posted on 10/08/2011 6:09:44 AM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: csmusaret

But, Perry did pass Voter Id here in Texas.
We are one of only 6 states to have done so.

Also we are being sued by the Feds for Perrys aggressive redistricting of voter precincts.

It seems illegal loving Perry is disenfranchising illegals and democraps.


19 posted on 10/08/2011 6:14:45 AM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife

Article about the Act and Kennedy’s involvement:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_and_Nationality_Act_of_1965

Article about an anti illegal program that worked:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Wetback


20 posted on 10/08/2011 6:15:40 AM PDT by csmusaret (The only borders Obama has closed is a bookstore.)
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To: BarnacleCenturion
Ooops! Looks like NC is soft on illegal immigration!

"North Carolina Gov. Bev Perdue (D) has vetoed a Voter-ID bill passed by the Republican-controlled state legislature. The proposed law was part of a wave of similar bills that have been pushed by Republican-led legislatures in the wake of the 2010 elections. Like those, it would have required voters to show certain approved forms of photo identification at their polling places, or else cast provisional ballots and then have to prove their eligibility later.

"This bill, as written, will unnecessarily and unfairly disenfranchise many eligible and legitimate voters," Perdue wrote in her veto announcement."

21 posted on 10/08/2011 6:18:05 AM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: csmusaret
"Are you saying Perry is against those things?"

Yes.

Perry in his own words:

Rick Perry’s Open Borders Speech

22 posted on 10/08/2011 6:20:58 AM PDT by BarnacleCenturion (Heartless)
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To: csmusaret

I don’t know that wetback really worked.
I recall lots of migrant mexican field workers in Ohio back in the 60s

One thing is different between now and then and that is that is the Nationality and immigration act of 1965.

Prior to 65 migrant workers came here to do work and then returned home.

Now they stay.


23 posted on 10/08/2011 6:23:41 AM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

Have you read that speech?


24 posted on 10/08/2011 6:24:42 AM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: factoryrat

Oh boo hoo hoo! HE hurt my feelings and now I will hate him forever and tell everybody over and over how much he offended me.

Puhleeze!!!!!! Give it a rest


25 posted on 10/08/2011 6:24:51 AM PDT by SwatTeam
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To: normy

But Perry is Romney’s stalking horse.


26 posted on 10/08/2011 6:28:29 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: mylife

“Have you read that speech?”

yes, have you?

“President Fox’s vision for an open border is a vision I embrace” -Rick Perry


27 posted on 10/08/2011 6:29:12 AM PDT by BarnacleCenturion (Heartless)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

“If Governor Perry’s amnesty policy is adopted, it will mark the first time a Texan has surrendered to Mexico in 175 years...”

I LOVE IT. One of the best quotes of the campaign season.


28 posted on 10/08/2011 6:31:36 AM PDT by BobL (I want a Conservative for 2012, not Perry)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

There are quite a few stipulations in there that you left out.

“My vision of the border is one of machine gun nests and fear”. Barnacle Centurion


29 posted on 10/08/2011 6:33:02 AM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: raybbr; Condor51; stephenjohnbanker
If Gov Perry's amnesty policy is adopted, it will mark the first time a Texan has surrendered to Mexico in 175 years....... Too late. Perry has already announced his surrender.

Ay, carumba-----and don't forget, the pukeneos got Perry by the *****. The pukes love those incoherent Texas governors b/c they're so easily duped.

God only knows what the pukes are planning globally.....after all, they orchestrated several $trillion dollar Mideast debacles. The pukes never saw an immigrant they didn't like.....probably orchestrating reconquista.

30 posted on 10/08/2011 6:47:52 AM PDT by Liz (The rule of law must prevail. We can’t govern ourselves by our personal point of view.)
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To: SwatTeam

Didn’t hurt my feelings the least bit, his mouth just relegated himself to irrelevance is all.


31 posted on 10/08/2011 7:39:38 AM PDT by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: normy

“I see a full court press by Romney/Cain to destroy Perry. We will see if it works.”

I don’t like Perry. But that’s because Romney is just a duded up version of Perry, and I wouldn’t vote for either of them. Romney has the same pro-amnesty beliefs Perry does. Notice that his campaign site has zero about immigration, and that his public statements on the issue of amnesty are full of weaselly language. Like “no special pathway towards citizenship for those who broke immigration laws.” Never mind that this still leaves plenty of room for him to approve a pathway towards citizenship for those who broke immigration laws! Whenever they won’t make a clear statement that they’ll end birthright citizenship, and no amnesty, no illegal citizenship ‘pathways,’ and no Dream Act will going to be allowed under their administration, you know they’ll give away the farm given the chance.


32 posted on 10/08/2011 7:42:06 AM PDT by LibertarianInExile (Rick Perry sweep the polls? Naw, the illegals he's coddled in Texas do all his sweeping.)
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To: Netizen

I volunteer to do the stitching. I promise he won’t like it.


33 posted on 10/08/2011 8:02:52 AM PDT by dools0007world
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To: mylife

Well that’s the problem, isn’t it? Turning the illegals over to ICE. Nothing more than catch and release.

Perry is done as a candidate. Any rational person can see that.


34 posted on 10/08/2011 8:06:30 AM PDT by dools0007world
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To: mylife

“Also we are being sued by the Feds for Perrys aggressive redistricting of voter precincts.”

That has nothing to do with immigration, that’s just a leftist DoJ opposing anything Republicans do. And it wasnt Perry but the Texas lege who drew the map.

“It seems illegal loving Perry is disenfranchising illegals and democraps.”

Rule of law really cramps the Dems style, doesnt it.


35 posted on 10/08/2011 8:21:32 AM PDT by WOSG (“Legion of Acceptibility”)
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To: mylife

“Perry is solidly on the books as being against illegal immigration.”

Right. So was Bush.


36 posted on 10/08/2011 9:14:44 AM PDT by Grunthor (Heartless Bigot for Cain.)
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To: BarnacleCenturion
“President Fox’s vision for an open border is a vision I embrace” -Rick Perry

I notice that you left out a little bit there. Why don't you post the whole section in its context. I can probably guess as to why you didn't do that. It might undermine your attack.

37 posted on 10/08/2011 9:22:09 AM PDT by GOPyouth ("We're buying shrimp, guys. Come on." - Dear Leader)
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To: normy

Wrong, Perry destroyed himself with his poor debate and stances on illegal immigration


38 posted on 10/08/2011 9:26:19 AM PDT by chilepup
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To: BarnacleCenturion
Perry continues to drop like a rock as more and more Americans learn of his liberal record of supporting ILLEGAL aliens.


39 posted on 10/08/2011 9:46:06 AM PDT by South40 (I will vote for Perry if he's the last man standing against Romney. ~ Jim Robinson 10/5/2011)
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To: mylife
I am sick of the disingenuous spin.

Unfortunately, you have to get used to it, because these folks have their talking points, and facts or no, they're not giving them up.

40 posted on 10/08/2011 10:01:59 AM PDT by Constitutionalist Conservative (Of the declared candidates: (1) Perry, (2) Cain. I'll happily vote for either if he's the nominee.)
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To: Grunthor

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2011/03/03/texas-mulls-arizona-style-illegal-immigration-law/

Perry Passed the law on May 10 2011


41 posted on 10/08/2011 12:09:40 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: GOPyouth

“Why don’t you post the whole section in its context.”

I posted a link to the full speech a few posts above.

But I guess if you mentioned that, it would undermine your line of “defense”.


42 posted on 10/08/2011 12:27:47 PM PDT by BarnacleCenturion (Heartless)
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To: BarnacleCenturion
Do you know the difference between the Tea Party Express and Tea Party Coalition? I am not familiar with the coalition.

If not, can anyone answer that for me.

43 posted on 10/08/2011 1:40:15 PM PDT by World'sGoneInsane (You can keep repeating it, but it does not make it true. It only makes it propaganda.)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

You know you’re in trouble when Congressional candidates feel that they can publically take you on within your own party without much worry of a backlash. Yes siree, when you paint a big target on your back by advocating support for law breakers expect the knives to come out for you.


44 posted on 10/08/2011 1:50:40 PM PDT by Ron H. (Loving my Deering Goodtime 2 Classic 5-stringer)
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To: BarnacleCenturion
http://governor.state.tx.us/news/speech/10688/

Gov. Rick Perry’s Remarks to the Border Summit

Wednesday, August 22, 2001 • Speech

Thank you Senator Lucio. President Nevarez, UT-Pan American is to be commended for its vision and leadership in hosting this unprecedented border summit in the beautiful Texas town of Edinburg. My friends from Mexico, including Governor Tomas Yarrington Ruvalcaba of Tamaulipas, and Governor Fernando Canales Clariond of Nuevo Leon, it is an honor to be in your presence. I want to extend my gratitude to our Mexican neighbors for hosting me this July as I sought to learn one of the world’s great languages, Spanish. I enjoyed your hospitality, and was grateful for your patience as I worked on my vocabulary. No longer do I refer to “la verdad” as “la verdura.” I am delighted to see friends from the U.S. side of the border as well, including our distinguished members of the Legislature, and our county and city leaders along the border.

Today we begin a new dialogue about our shared future, a future of promising potential if we work together to solve the challenges we both face. It is fitting that we convene this summit where the great, meandering river known as the Rio Grande – or the Rio Bravo – forms the long border between Texas and Mexico. In years past, that famed body of water has been seen by many as a dividing point, If you were to walk along its banks and look to the other side, based on the stereotypes of the past, you would think you were seeing things a million miles away, instead of a stone’s throw away. But I am here today to say that while we have honest differences, there is more that unites us than divides us. The Rio Grande does not separate two nations, it joins two peoples. Mexico and the United States have a shared history, and a common future. And it is along this border where we will either fail or succeed in addressing the education, health care and transportation needs of our two peoples.

Critical to our future is meeting our border infrastructure needs. We must get traffic moving along the border so that businesses along the border and thousands of miles away can deliver products on time, and continue to grow. Companies from Spokane, Washington to Concord, New Hampshire depend on Texas highways and Texas bridges to move their products south. Seventy percent of all U.S.-Mexico truck traffic goes to, or through, the Lone Star state. Fifteen of our twenty-seven border crossings with Mexico are located in Texas. Fifty-four percent of all U.S.-Mexico trade crosses just between Brownsville and Laredo. This year the Texas legislature appropriated approximately $1 billion more in transportation funding. But more can be done.

With Texas serving as the Gateway to Mexico, it is time that we receive congressional funding that reflects the instrumental role our state plays as a port of entry. With a Texan in the White House, I believe there is no greater opportunity to end the funding discrimination that crippled Texas infrastructure under the previous administration. Good infrastructure is essential to the free flow of commerce. It is a matter of economic fact that free trade lifts the tide for all the boats in the harbor. U.S. trade with Mexico has increased by 500% since 1994. Exports and imports between Texas and Mexico now exceed $100 billion dollars annually. Thousands of jobs have been created for Texas and Mexican workers, confirming the indisputable fact that trade with Mexico is big business for Texas.

The fruits of NAFTA have just begun to ripen. At the same time, we must not allow the roots of the tree to become poisoned. The NAFTA agreement not only signaled a new era of economic possibility, but a new era of bi-national cooperation. That is why it is wrong, and inherently detrimental to our relationship with Mexico for the U.S. Congress to pursue a protectionist policy that forbids Mexican trucks from U.S. roadways. It is bad public policy, and it violates the terms of the NAFTA agreement we agreed to. Mexican trucks that meet our safety standards should be given the same access to U.S. roads as our Canadian neighbors to the north.

Mexico, too, must be vigilant in realizing its treaty obligations. For more than half a century, under the 1944 Water Treaty our two nations have cooperated so that the water needs of both countries are met. But as of late, Mexico is behind in delivering the water it has promised to the U.S. A Mexican judicial injunction now threatens the livelihood of our Rio Grande Valley farmers, and has become a source of contention between our two nations. It is time to end this dispute. I would ask that the Mexican government meet its obligation under the treaty, Texas growers are depending on it.

There are other challenges that require a unified approach, especially in the area of health care. A lack of preventative medicine means conditions that could have been eliminated through childhood immunizations show up in disturbing numbers later in life. Limited availability of medical specialists means conditions like heart disease and diabetes go untreated at alarming rates. In Texas, we recently placed a strong emphasis on preventative care when we expanded access to Medicaid for more low-income children by making the Medicaid enrollment process simpler. We allocated an additional $4 billion to the Medicaid program, and more than $900 million to the Children’s Health Insurance Program. I urged legislators to pass a telemedicine pilot program that will enable, through technology, a sick border resident of limited financial means to receive care from a specialist hundreds of miles away. But the effort to combat disease and illness requires greater cooperative efforts between our two nations. It is a simple truth that disease knows no boundaries. An outbreak of drug-resistant tuberculosis, for example, endangers citizens of both our nations. We have much to gain if we work together to expand preventative care, and treat maladies unique to this region.

Legislation authored by border legislators Pat Haggerty and Eddie Lucio establishes an important study that will look at the feasibility of bi-national health insurance. This study recognizes that the Mexican and U.S. sides of the border compose one region, and we must address health care problems throughout that region. That’s why I am also excited that Texas Secretary of State Henry Cuellar is working on an initiative that could extend the benefits of telemedicine to individuals living on the Mexican side of the border.

As a compassionate state, we know that for our children to succeed, they must not only be healthy, but educated. The future leaders of our two nations are learning their fractions and their ABC’s in classrooms all along this border. Immigrants from around the world are being taught in Texas classrooms, and our history is rich with examples of new citizens who have made great contributions. We must say to every Texas child learning in a Texas classroom, “we don’t care where you come from, but where you are going, and we are going to do everything we can to help you get there.” And that vision must include the children of undocumented workers. That’s why Texas took the national lead in allowing such deserving young minds to attend a Texas college at a resident rate. Those young minds are a part of a new generation of leaders, the doors of higher education must be open to them. The message is simple: educacion es el futuro, y si se puede.

We also know that poverty is not unique to either side of the border. Some of Texas’ poorest citizens live in colonias all along the border. They often lack basic infrastructure many of us take for granted. Just today, the North American Development Bank announced it will provide $6.3 million in funding to hook up colonia residents in six border cities to water and wastewater lines. More than 18,000 residents will benefit from these water or wastewater hookups. And this November, by approving Proposition 2, Texas voters can ensure that their neighbors in colonias have quality roads so that school buses, emergency vehicles and postal trucks can reach residents, and residents can get to a job or a school reliably.

President Fox’s vision for an open border is a vision I embrace, as long as we demonstrate the will to address the obstacles to it. An open border means poverty has given way to opportunity, and Mexico’s citizens do not feel compelled to cross the border to find that opportunity. It means we have addressed pollution concerns, made substantial progress in stopping the spread of disease, and rid our crossings of illicit drug smuggling activity. Clearly we have a long way to go in addressing those issues. At the same time we must continue to deepen our economic ties, expanding opportunities for Mexican and U.S. companies to do business on both sides of the border. The outlook is promising, even if the road to prosperity is a long one. We share a bond as neighbors, and we find our culture north of the Rio Grande to be increasingly defined by the strong traits of people of Hispanic descent. Texas has long enjoyed a unique identity, an identity forged by an independent spirit, and the convergence of many different peoples. We must welcome change in the 21st Century as we have in every century before it.

Today, as we look to the south, we see a rising sun. It is perched above a people whose best days are in front of them. Let us endeavor to make the most of this new day through a new dialogue. Let us work together to combat disease, expand trade and provide educational opportunities. If we do, there are no limits to what we can accomplish for the betterment of all of our citizens. Thank you, and God bless you.



It baffles me that many (not most) don’t see that this speech is about how Mexico can become like Canada, where immigration is no longer the primary issue. Seems like a worthy goal to me.
45 posted on 10/08/2011 1:52:08 PM PDT by Quicksilver (Defeat Obama - zero-sum games will get us Zero, again.)
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To: Ron H.

You mean like Michele Bachman?


46 posted on 10/08/2011 1:54:15 PM PDT by Quicksilver (Defeat Obama - zero-sum games will get us Zero, again.)
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To: richardtavor
.... He should stick to NC business.

Seeing as how its his campaign to win or lose maybe he can run it without getting your approval beforehand, ya' think!? It's like if his constituents disapprove then he won't win but then on the otherhand....... Leave the guy alone and let him campaign the way he thinks he can win his district for crying out loud.

47 posted on 10/08/2011 1:54:39 PM PDT by Ron H. (Loving my Deering Goodtime 2 Classic 5-stringer)
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To: Quicksilver

Michele who?


48 posted on 10/08/2011 1:58:36 PM PDT by Ron H. (Loving my Deering Goodtime 2 Classic 5-stringer)
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To: BobL
“If Governor Perry’s amnesty policy is adopted, it will mark the first time a Texan has surrendered to Mexico in 175 years...”

I LOVE IT. One of the best quotes of the campaign season.

Yep, that right there is begging to be a commercial sound byte.

49 posted on 10/08/2011 3:18:17 PM PDT by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: Ron H.

Michele Bachmann. Is that better? You were saying?


50 posted on 10/08/2011 3:20:09 PM PDT by Quicksilver (Defeat Obama - zero-sum games will get us Zero, again.)
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