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Half Dome survivors wish they had taken heed
Associated Press via SFGate.com ^ | Saturday, October 8, 2011 | By TRACIE CONE, Associated Press

Posted on 10/08/2011 5:38:30 PM PDT by thecodont

(10-08) 09:50 PDT Fresno, Calif. (AP) --

Armando Castillo knew he should not attempt the last treacherous stretch up Half Dome with storm clouds looming. But he felt he had come too far not to accomplish his goal.

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2011/10/08/national/a080120D12.DTL#ixzz1aEwT4OCr

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: halfdome; rescue; risks; yosemite
There is a warning sign at the bottom telling hikers to not proceed if the weather was stormy, but up he went anyhow -- and called 911 to get rescued.

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1 posted on 10/08/2011 5:38:36 PM PDT by thecodont
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To: thecodont

Charge him the full cost of rescue and really make him regret it.


2 posted on 10/08/2011 5:44:04 PM PDT by cripplecreek (ALCS/NLCS playoff thread http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2789907/posts)
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To: thecodont
yep. Self-centerd asshole masquerading as a hero.
3 posted on 10/08/2011 5:46:05 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: thecodont

Go up the mountain a liberal, come back down a conservative... or not at all.


4 posted on 10/08/2011 5:50:47 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them." --Ronald Reagan)
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To: cripplecreek
"I was freaking out and thought I wasn't going to make it," he said. "But then I remembered that because of my dancing I was in a better position than most people.'"

Yeah, that's the first thing people yell for in an emergency, "Is somebody here a dancer!?"

5 posted on 10/08/2011 5:52:35 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: USNBandit

QUICK!

Is there a dancer in the house?


6 posted on 10/08/2011 5:53:37 PM PDT by cripplecreek (ALCS/NLCS playoff thread http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2789907/posts)
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To: thecodont

My wife and I made the climb from the parking lot to the top and back—in 1993 at age 57 and 58—5:30 AM to 5:30 PM

Great weather and you go over the top of 2 waterfalls

Most memorable day of our lives

Last part on the cables is no big deal

Heck teenagers and oldsters like us do it

But the weather was great

I guess when the rocks are wet it can be a real problem but you have the cables to hold on to

But No way I would want to be on the top in a rain storm or thunder

You are completely exposed


7 posted on 10/08/2011 5:57:34 PM PDT by uncbob
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To: thecodont

8 posted on 10/08/2011 6:00:16 PM PDT by Donald Rumsfeld Fan ("Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts." Richard Feynman father of Quantum Physics)
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To: thecodont

Next year (May or June) a friend and I are hiking up Half Dome. We’re both very conservative so I think we’ll be smart enough to stop & turn around in bad weather as necessary.

Our wives want nothing to do with it, but maybe we can talk them into hiking up it too - they both dance.....


9 posted on 10/08/2011 6:01:12 PM PDT by my4kidsdad
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To: thecodont

Where is the other half of the dome?


10 posted on 10/08/2011 6:01:12 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: thecodont

HEED! PANTS! NOW!


11 posted on 10/08/2011 6:01:35 PM PDT by SparkyBass
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To: Revolting cat!
Where is the other half of the dome?

It's masquerading as gravel covering up the gold in the river.

12 posted on 10/08/2011 6:12:50 PM PDT by Talisker (History will show the Illuminati won the ultimate Darwin Award.)
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To: Revolting cat!

Glacier got it.


13 posted on 10/08/2011 6:12:55 PM PDT by xp38
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To: thecodont
Hey, a large percentage of the people who die doing this are from San Francisco.

Less Pelosi, Boxer and Obama voters.

I say this somewhat regrettably as my daughter lives in Sunnyvale and has been on the dome in risky weather.

A father can only do so much with a 30-something.

14 posted on 10/08/2011 6:13:06 PM PDT by elkfersupper (Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: SparkyBass

Love that movie


15 posted on 10/08/2011 6:19:43 PM PDT by sappy
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To: thecodont

‘”After the fact I realized it’s the wilderness and they’re not supposed to do anything, but I did go in expecting a little more of a warning,” said Castillo, who plans to return.’

They probably have a small sign at the bottom warning people not to make the climb up if bad weather threatens. Why not replace it with a sign right next to the trail that’s about 10 feet tall and about 15 feet wide saying something like this?

“13(make the number changeable) people have died climbing up Half Dome this year and 1000 have been rescued from 2007 to 2010. Why? Because they were a bunch of dumbasses (including salsa dancers) who ignored the approaching bad weather. Will you be next? TURN BACK NOW IF YOU DON’T WANT TO RISK YOUR LIFE. Rescues only available AFTER the bad weather has passed by. For your next rescue dial 1-800-IMADUMBASS. See you at the top! LOL!”


16 posted on 10/08/2011 6:21:05 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: thecodont

That hike looks crazy, and in the rain it would be nuts. There are some good Youtube videos of the hike.


17 posted on 10/08/2011 6:22:46 PM PDT by Sawdring
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To: thecodont

Yikes!

18 posted on 10/08/2011 6:29:35 PM PDT by 6SJ7 (46 55 42 4f)
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To: Sawdring
That hike looks crazy, and in the rain it would be nuts. There are some good Youtube videos of the hike.

I went up first and after I came down my 58 year (at the time in 94 )old wife went up I video taped her going up Showed to our friends and inspired him to do it for his 60th
19 posted on 10/08/2011 6:40:29 PM PDT by uncbob
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To: uncbob

Here’s a good idea; you can’t go up the Dome if there is bad or forecasted bad weather. Just say no


20 posted on 10/08/2011 7:35:06 PM PDT by Kozy (Calling Al Gore)
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To: uncbob

Here’s a good idea; you can’t go up the Dome if there is bad or forecasted bad weather. Just say no


21 posted on 10/08/2011 7:35:17 PM PDT by Kozy (Calling Al Gore)
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To: uncbob

Here’s a good idea; you can’t go up the Dome if there is bad or forecasted bad weather. Just say no


22 posted on 10/08/2011 7:35:17 PM PDT by Kozy (Calling Al Gore)
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To: Donald Rumsfeld Fan

Nice shot from the top of “El Cap”...or at least it looks like the top of El Cap!


23 posted on 10/08/2011 8:02:29 PM PDT by Issaquahking (Perry/West 2012)
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To: Issaquahking
EL CAPITAN


24 posted on 10/08/2011 8:31:49 PM PDT by Donald Rumsfeld Fan ("Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts." Richard Feynman father of Quantum Physics)
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To: Issaquahking

NOPE.....HALF DOME


25 posted on 10/08/2011 8:34:00 PM PDT by Donald Rumsfeld Fan ("Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts." Richard Feynman father of Quantum Physics)
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To: Donald Rumsfeld Fan
NOPE.....HALF DOME....OOPS.....YOU'RE RIGHT
26 posted on 10/08/2011 8:48:08 PM PDT by Donald Rumsfeld Fan ("Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts." Richard Feynman father of Quantum Physics)
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To: Donald Rumsfeld Fan

I hung my head over the lip in a different life.


27 posted on 10/08/2011 8:50:52 PM PDT by Rebelbase (Cain/Rubio?)
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To: my4kidsdad
My son and I went up to the top about four years ago, when I was 45. We got an overnight camp permit and stayed at Little Yosemite Valley, about 3/4ths the way up. The next morning we left the gear at the camp and did the summit with just a light day pack. We were at the cables very early so no crowds. It was great. Came back down to the camp, collected the rest of our gear and hiked on down. Breaking it up to two days made it a much more pleasant adventure.
28 posted on 10/08/2011 9:06:30 PM PDT by Teotwawki (To Him be the glory throughout all generations.)
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To: Donald Rumsfeld Fan; goat granny

Beautiful picture...trying to decide if I should make it my wallpaper, but I love the hummingbird that’s there now...maybe when I get tired of the bird...:O)


29 posted on 10/08/2011 9:09:43 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: cripplecreek

The full cost of rescue could include a rescuer’s life. If the rock is too slick to climb and the weather’s too bad to fly, there isn’t going to be a rescue.


30 posted on 10/08/2011 9:42:27 PM PDT by heartwood
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To: uncbob

I’ve been up there too, and as you say, it’s memorable experience. That said, when you are on the top, the whole thing is covered with pock marks made by lightning strikes. If you are up there in a storm, you are the lightning rod, that’s for sure as there is very little shelter.


31 posted on 10/08/2011 11:13:18 PM PDT by vette6387 (Enough Already!)
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To: Iowa Granny; Ladysmith; Diana in Wisconsin; JLO; sergeantdave; damncat; phantomworker; joesnuffy; ..
If you’d like to be on or off this Outdoors/Rural/wildlife/hunting/hiking/backpacking/National Parks/animals list please FR mail me. And ping me is you see articles of interest.

The salsa dancer from Hayward, Calif., soon found himself trapped at the 8,842-foot summit in a freezing thunderstorm...I was freaking out and thought I wasn't going to make it. But then I remembered that because of my dancing I was in a better position than most people...After the fact I realized it's the wilderness and they're not supposed to do anything, but I did go in expecting a little more of a warning

32 posted on 10/09/2011 5:13:40 AM PDT by SJackson (The irony is, the reason I was in this office is because I told a story to the American people, BHO)
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To: Revolting cat!
Where is the other half of the dome?

Taxes.

33 posted on 10/09/2011 5:25:31 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: cripplecreek

That is exactly what we should do.

A lot of these back-to-earth urbanites are leftists who want government-run medicine and who, because of the cost-burden that people put on such a system, want the government to restrict personal behavior in order to keep costs down (like outlaw salt and fat and sugar, etc.).

Yet, they do something really, really stupid, they get in a bad predicament, they call the government to bail them out, (funded by the tax-payer), and then want to walk away scot-free.

I agree. Make them pay. Make it hurt.


34 posted on 10/09/2011 5:39:36 AM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Prepare for survival.)
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To: cripplecreek

FREEPERS HATE SALSA !

I’m gonna go get a burrito........:o)


35 posted on 10/09/2011 5:57:45 AM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: USNBandit; cripplecreek
QUICK! Is there a dancer in the house?

LOL!

Now, not that I'm defending twinkle toes, but I will say a trained salsa dancer can potentially be in as good a condition as any long distance runner.

Not that this would bail him out in this situation, as said "skill" does not negate gravity.

36 posted on 10/09/2011 7:00:20 AM PDT by Caipirabob ( Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Revolting cat!
Where is the other half of the dome?

Federal cutbacks in action!

It's truly an amazing sight to see. The whole park is a paradise unto itself!

37 posted on 10/09/2011 7:02:39 AM PDT by Caipirabob ( Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: thecodont

I’ve done Half Dome a couple times, including the day in 2009 when Gina Bartiroma fell. We were on our way back when it started snowing and raining. We heard the helicopter come to rescue her. The scariest thing about the cables that day was the fact it took 45 minutes to climb what should have taken 15 because of the crowds. The granite on the route up the cables is counter top smooth in some areas. It is a safe climb in good weather, not so much when it’s wet.

My favorite trail sign is a the Whitney Portal trailhead. It says “PEOPLE DIE UP THERE”.


38 posted on 10/09/2011 8:04:09 AM PDT by socal_parrot (I hate to say I told you so, but...)
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To: cripplecreek

There was no rescue. They called 911 and the operator told them they were on their own. They had to wait out the weather and get down on their own.


39 posted on 10/09/2011 8:11:43 AM PDT by SoJoCo
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To: Caipirabob; USNBandit; cripplecreek
Not that this would bail him out in this situation, as said "skill" does not negate gravity.

From his description of his descent (sliding ON HIS FEET, grabbing for a cable handhold, eventually scooting down on his butt), I'd say the salsa dancer's "skill" didn't help him much.

It's a 40% grade, steep as any ladder. You ascend a ladder by facing the rungs and holding the sides. You descend a ladder by (again) facing the RUNGS and holding the sides -- NOT by facing outwards and standing erect.

Someone with a decent amount of physical education should know something about his body's center of gravity and the advantages of keeping it low.

40 posted on 10/09/2011 9:15:32 AM PDT by thecodont
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To: thecodont

I had to jump off a ladder yesterday because I decided to descend facing out and got overbalanced.


41 posted on 10/09/2011 9:18:26 AM PDT by cripplecreek (ALCS/NLCS playoff thread http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2789907/posts)
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To: Teotwawki

That’s they way by friends and I did our trip to the top years ago. Two days is much more enjoyable than a one day trip.


42 posted on 10/09/2011 9:21:53 AM PDT by Rebelbase (Cain/Rubio?)
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To: thecodont
About 10 years ago we climbed Half Dome via the SW route called Snake Dike. Took the cable route down in the dark, they had already removed the stairs for the winter. It was a real “white-knuckler”.

I actually cannot believe they let people up there, especially without gear and some skills.

schu

43 posted on 10/11/2011 7:33:52 AM PDT by schu
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