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Is Alabama Immigration Law Creating a 'Humanitarian Crisis'? (Barf Alert)
Christian Science Monitor ^ | October 6, 2011 | Patrik Jonsson

Posted on 10/08/2011 6:31:53 PM PDT by lbryce

US teachers unions and Hispanic activists said Wednesday that an Arizona-style immigration law upheld by a federal judge last week is creating a "humanitarian crisis" as thousands of parents keep their children home, fearing that teachers will act as immigration agents.

Alabama's first Republican supermajority since Reconstruction approved this summer what many consider America's toughest immigration law. And last week, federal Judge Sharon Lovelace Blackburn surprised many Americans when she upheld key parts of the law – including a portion that says schools must check the immigration status of children when they enroll, as well as the status of their parents.

"This law revisits Alabama's painful racial past," Sam Brooke, a staff attorney for the Southern Poverty Law Center in Montgomery, Ala., said in a conference call with reporters Wednesday. "When a law that demonizes people to the point of pushing children out of schools is cheered, it's a dark day for the state and the country."

QUIZ: Could you pass a US citizenship quiz? Lawmakers and Gov. Robert Bentley (R) have said they were forced to pass the state law because the US government had failed to enforce federal immigration statutes. The state law is designed to ensure the safety and economic security of Alabamians, the officials say.

”It’s heartbreaking to read about [children being pulled out of school], but it’s going to be an immigration bill or it’s not going to be one," state Sen. Rusty Glover (R) told the American Independent News Network. Senator Glover voted for the law and is a history teacher in Semmes.

Federal courts have struck down large parts of similar legislative attempts by other states, but Judge Blackburn allowed key provisions in the Alabama law to stand, saying they passed constitutional muster because they reinforced existing federal law.

(Excerpt) Read more at csmonitor.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Government
KEYWORDS: amnesty; barfalert; borderwars; buhbye; heartless; illegalimmigration; yellowjournalism
QUIZ: Could you pass a US citizenship quiz?Not neccessarily, the situation of which doesn't make the legality of my citizenship any less so. Babies, underage children are citizens eventhough they couldn't pass a quiz. But not being able to pass a quiz in which you are eligible of, goes for a lot of things in life. Most licensed drivers couldn't pass the drivers' test without study/preparation, either.

The fact is, the only "Humanitiarian Crisis" that is going on in Alabama are for those who are legal citizens of the state.

1 posted on 10/08/2011 6:31:59 PM PDT by lbryce
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To: lbryce

You are just heartless, not supporting people stealing off of you and your kids. Perry will be after you.


2 posted on 10/08/2011 6:36:50 PM PDT by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by Perry and his fellow democrats.)
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To: lbryce

“”immigration law upheld by a federal judge last week is creating a “humanitarian crisis” “”

Gosh! Nothing like creating a panic. Have they ever seen a TRUE humanitarian crisis? Check out Africa, folks.


3 posted on 10/08/2011 6:39:45 PM PDT by Thank You Rush
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To: lbryce

Interesting to know what hetman sharp ton vain thinks about h Alabama I,migration law.


4 posted on 10/08/2011 6:47:30 PM PDT by GregH
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To: lbryce

OK, I have a question for the forum. This is not intended to be snarky. You all can see I have a loooong conservative posting history so I’m not trolling. I am asking this legitimately because liberal friends and family members are saying this to me and I don’t know the answer and don’t want to lose a debate on this point.

I know that it’s true that in Arizona first, and now in Alabama, enforcement of the immigration laws does mean that crops really are rotting in the fields. Friends who live down there are telling me about this. Farmers who are used to hiring illegals to do the stoop work can’t find anybody; the illegals have all cleared out and the legal Hispanics don’t have to settle for field-work.

Obviously we have millions of unemployed people in this country—me among them. But you can’t pick up some welfare mother in (say) Chicago and ship her and her four kids fifteen hundred miles to work in the Alabama fields picking crops; the logistics make that impractical and very costly. You can’t take someone like me, a woman in her late middle years with health problems, and make her move to Arizona to do physical labor; I’d be in the hospital in half a day. So how do we work this out?

I don’t want the illegals here any more than anybody else does—they’re a dangerous and costly plague here in the DC area, and even the nice ones really are taking jobs from citizens and soaking up expensive social services. I am not making excuses or covertly hinting that they should be allowed to stay.

What I’m thinking is that we should have tightly-controlled borders, but then let people in on a very rigid, as-needed legal basis for a finite period of time, WITHOUT CHILDREN OR OTHER FAMILY MEMBERS, just to do a specific low-paying farm job for a specific employer. This is what was done many years ago when I was young. Does that sound right? If not, what other ideas do we have to get this food harvested, hay baled, and other low-paying physical labor done in rural areas? Let’s throw some ideas out there.


5 posted on 10/08/2011 6:48:14 PM PDT by ottbmare (off-the-track Thoroughbred mare)
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To: lbryce

God forbid that the state of Alabama actually enforces the laws on the books. Hopefully the will do it and tell the feds that they don’t get any money until the feds hold up their end of the deal.


6 posted on 10/08/2011 6:51:15 PM PDT by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: lbryce
Sam Brooke, a staff attorney for the Southern Poverty Law Center in Montgomery, Ala., said in a conference call with reporters

Hey Sammy! You can KMA on Main Street and I'll give you 15 minutes to draw a crowd. When the party running the federal government refuses to enforce our laws in order to increase their freeloader voter base, they should all be thrown in jail.

7 posted on 10/08/2011 6:51:15 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (If you always tell the truth, you won't have to remember what you said.)
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To: lbryce

I’ve never read this rag or site but is it a left wing , down the middle or right wing.

The name of it suggests right and Christian but having seen some of their topics put on here then I am wondering?


8 posted on 10/08/2011 6:52:09 PM PDT by manc (Do not fall for the trolls who promote the protests on here, Marriage 1man=1 woman=marriage)
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To: ottbmare

As I understand it, there are already programs in place for hires to work seasonally to pick crops. That they were abused in the past is one reason we have so many illegals now. Many simply disappeared into the woodwork, started families, and voila. I have no problem with them coming IF THEY THEN GO HOME, but there is no mechanism to ensure this. As for me, if the price is right, I’LL go down there to pick crops-Seriously.


9 posted on 10/08/2011 6:54:45 PM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: org.whodat

Watch out, or ricardo el perry will sic la raza on you. You don’t want to offend the texicans, they’re a nasty bunch.


10 posted on 10/08/2011 6:54:55 PM PDT by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: ottbmare
I would tend to think you are out in left field. The government, that is you and me, has 14 different programs for farm workers, all of which requires legal book keeping and accounting. Joe farmer would rather screw the American people out of five cents than do it the legal way. And no, crops are not rotting in the fields. See it is taken care of, the laws are on the books, but there is no worker program for the illegals flipping hamburgers.
11 posted on 10/08/2011 6:57:36 PM PDT by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by Perry and his fellow democrats.)
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To: ottbmare

I’m a legal immigrant who became a proud American

First off even if the crops are rotting which I doubt then we still have laws.

2, We have immigration laws and if those cannot be respected then how do we know they can be respected on other laws once here.

3 I went through the fees, interviews, questions tom become America finger prints etc why should someone jump the border and now stay here when they have broken the law and it is not fair to those I have met and I who came ehre legally, went home to get our visas and paid for all of it ourselves.

4 If we cannot get Americans to do the jobs <which we can as look at the dopes in Wall street demo. then how about those in prison, students in the summer and wanting more money to pay for education, community service can be imposed for lesser crimes, homeless wanting money to get their own place etc there is a load of folks whio can do this job.

5 If we have a country with laws being ignored then we become an anarchy state which the left or some on the lunatic left want.

I do not think you are trolling and it is indeed a decent question and I hope you find my answer alright and adequate.

if you want to know more on immigration and how the process works then I would bne more than happy to help you out.

I have told my kids they are lucky to be here, They understand they have to do good at school and my 13 year old cuts grass to pick up money, he knows he works for money and not reply on anyone

BTW I came from England and have seen a socialist country with a health care which does not work and I have lived in other countries around Europe.
I tell my kids the best place on earth is America, bias maybe but I think the south of America is by the best place to live and raise kids in a traditional way.


12 posted on 10/08/2011 7:00:44 PM PDT by manc (Do not fall for the trolls who promote the protests on here, Marriage 1man=1 woman=marriage)
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To: ottbmare

Hope my post makes sense to you as I am tired, had a few cocktails EEK and typed fast.


13 posted on 10/08/2011 7:02:19 PM PDT by manc (Do not fall for the trolls who promote the protests on here, Marriage 1man=1 woman=marriage)
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To: lbryce

The so called “humanitarian crisis” began when these idiots decided to run away whether than stand up to their own governments and demand all the things they are now demanding here in this country. To hell with them. If they won’t fight for their own home countries we sure as hell don’t need them here.


14 posted on 10/08/2011 7:02:38 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (If you always tell the truth, you won't have to remember what you said.)
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To: lbryce
Is Alabama Immigration Law Creating a 'Humanitarian Crisis'?

It's quite possible. Are all of these bastards fleeing to my Texas?

(Note that even if that is the unfortunate case, I can't blame Alabama for taking care of their own backyard. Too bad Texas won't)

As for whether I could pass a citizenship test? I've passed every one I've taken that was posted online. *shrug*
15 posted on 10/08/2011 7:06:52 PM PDT by Rastus
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To: ottbmare

Illegal aliens have been let in to do agricultural work which is seasonal. The rest of the year, the US taxpayer has been picking up the bills to keep them here.

Farmers have no incentive to grow crops that can be harvested mechanically. Switching to crops that can be harvested mechanically is only a small part of the solution, as local small farmers markets expand and attract more customers for locally grown food. We have a horrible mess in this nation because of large scale commercial farming that relies on others to care for workers in the off season. There is something grossly wrong with their business plans, and corporate welfare shouldn’t be part of the picture.

Laws like those in Alabama and Arizona, which back up the lawful intention of our fellow citizen, are not onerous. We are a nation of laws and we both better hope it stays that way.


16 posted on 10/08/2011 7:33:26 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT!)
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To: lbryce

Eric “the bigot” Holder appealed the lower court ruling to the appeals court. His objections were so lame that I’m sure that even the appeals court judges were underwhelmed by his arguments. All of his objections were based upon “I feel”, “might lead to”, “could possibly be”, etc. Nothing solid based upon the law itself, just a bunch of liberal whining.


17 posted on 10/08/2011 7:36:01 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (There's a pill for just about everything ... except stupid!)
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To: ottbmare

There is already a legal way into America, but some think they’re so special they don’t need to follow the rules.

As for food rotting in the fields...

I have yet to see one farm advertise for pickers. Thankfully I already have one job, but as My mom has been laid off hers, I’d be more than willing to take another one to help her and Dad out even more.

So, when farmers quit b@tchin about the lack of “hands” and actually try to hire people. I’ll listen.


18 posted on 10/08/2011 7:36:06 PM PDT by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: ottbmare

Your liberal friends are liars. I live in Arizona and the crops are doing just fine. That “rotting in the fields” BS is a myth being spread by the state run commie “media”. Unlike those living in the northeast, not everyone living in Arizona has a master’s degree from Harvard. Those people, Americans and legal immigrants, appreciate not having all the illegals around driving down the wages.


19 posted on 10/08/2011 7:36:51 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (If you always tell the truth, you won't have to remember what you said.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

As I have said previously, if I were a kid again living in one of those areas, I would be spending weekends and evenings earning every buck I could. I did lawn mowing, leave raking, haying, corn tasseling, etc. to earn money ... we weren’t rich and you had to make money where you could ... yes, earn it, not steal it or lay about on welfare.


20 posted on 10/08/2011 7:43:01 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (There's a pill for just about everything ... except stupid!)
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To: lbryce

“This law revisits Alabama’s painful racial past,” Sam Brooke, a staff attorney for the Southern Poverty Law Center in Montgomery, Ala., said in a conference call with reporters Wednesday. “When a law that demonizes people to the point of pushing children out of schools is cheered, it’s a dark day for the state and the country.”

No sh**head, citizens are just tired of paying for illegals out of their hard earned wages while worrying about if they are going to lose their job or house. There’s no “demonization” involved despite your bleeding heart narrative.


21 posted on 10/08/2011 7:47:26 PM PDT by headstamp 2 (Time to move forward not to the center.)
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To: lbryce

Alabama has some of the worst black unemployment in the country. This law is a Godsend to them.


22 posted on 10/08/2011 7:48:07 PM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: RetiredTexasVet

It appears that both you and I had the same type of upbringing. If I listed the jobs here that I had in my life, people would call me a liar. And yes, one of them was shoveling mule **** at Grand Canyon. Not many kids these days can claim ever holding down that job.


23 posted on 10/08/2011 7:51:24 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (If you always tell the truth, you won't have to remember what you said.)
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To: ottbmare

Tell your liberal friends that if our so-called economy can’t function without what amounts to illegal “Mexican Coolies” doing the manual labor, then we are truly finished as a country.


24 posted on 10/08/2011 7:53:45 PM PDT by headstamp 2 (Time to move forward not to the center.)
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To: lbryce

I have not witnessed any mass humanitarian crisis or really any change yet but I will be on the lookout.


25 posted on 10/08/2011 8:04:23 PM PDT by plain talk
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26 posted on 10/08/2011 8:09:05 PM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: ottbmare
Even if the crops were rotting in the fields for lack of slave-wage laborers, so what? Does a field full of rotting cabbage make slave-wage labor morally justifiable?

I'll bet the 19th century cotton farmers made the same arguments - "you can't abolish chattel slavery, who will pick the cotton?! Cotton will be rotting in the fields! Slaves are doing jobs Americans won't do!!"

And besides, the USDA regulations and price-support programs make far more food go completely to waste than any shortage of slave-wage labor.

27 posted on 10/08/2011 8:53:01 PM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: ottbmare

Usually, if the price of labor becomes too high for employers to bear, they turn to automation.

Cotton gin, combines, automatic harvester, etc, etc, etc.

So the question ought to be, why isn’t this happening now?


28 posted on 10/08/2011 10:37:14 PM PDT by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: All

Thanks for all your help and your useful arguments, FRiends. You’ve given me some good ways to defend myself against liberal talking points. Much appreciated.


29 posted on 10/09/2011 12:14:34 AM PDT by ottbmare (off-the-track Thoroughbred mare)
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To: manc

Try being in any other country illegally, see what it gets you.Not even our good neighbor Canada will allow such foolishness. It’s crimminal the way these politicans carry on for these illegals hopeing to round up more votes from them.


30 posted on 10/09/2011 12:33:06 AM PDT by Waco (Nominate Palin or forget 2012 you lost)
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31 posted on 10/09/2011 12:46:45 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Man is not free unless government is limited. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: lbryce

Illegal aliens never heard of home schooling?


32 posted on 10/09/2011 12:50:04 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: ottbmare
...the immigration laws does mean that crops really are rotting in the fields. Friends who live down there are telling me about this. Farmers who are used to hiring illegals to do the stoop work can’t find anybody; the illegals have all cleared out and the legal Hispanics don’t have to settle for field-work.

This claim is suspect. I think if this was true it would be the top story on every liberal news program on TV, complete with panning video of rotting crops.

33 posted on 10/09/2011 12:55:19 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard
Illegal aliens never heard of home schooling?

But where would the "free" breakfast and lunch come from?

34 posted on 10/09/2011 3:43:26 AM PDT by raybbr (People who still support Obama are either a Marxist or a moron.)
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To: raybbr

That’s an excellent point.


35 posted on 10/09/2011 8:58:19 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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