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Alabama: Inmates can replace Hispanic farmhands
Politico ^ | October 8, 2011 | MACKENZIE WEINGER

Posted on 10/09/2011 1:24:37 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

Alabama farmers frantically looking for workers to replace those that have fled the state in the wake of its tough new immigration law should just stop by their local prison, according to the head of Alabama’s agriculture department.

John McMillan, commissioner of the Alabama Department of Agriculture and Industries, told the Montgomery Advertiser on Thursday that inmate labor through the state’s work-release program offers a short-term solution to the sudden labor shortage that has hit Alabama since enforcement of its illegal immigration law kicked in.

Some farmers have said the state’s new law has driven away Hispanic migrant farm workers — and without another potential labor source, they say produce may have to be left to rot in the fields.

“We are optimistic that by Monday, we will have some help for farmers,” McMillan said.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; US: Alabama
KEYWORDS: crops; farmers; food; illegalworkers
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Alabama: Inmates short-term option for farmers desperate for field workers
1 posted on 10/09/2011 1:24:40 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Some things never change, Alabama plantations can’t seem to work without slave labor.


2 posted on 10/09/2011 1:31:20 AM PDT by glorgau
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Henry County blueberry grower Kent Scott made it through this year's harvest, but is weighing his options for finding workers next year and thinking about in­vesting in a mechanical har­vester to replace some of the people he needs.

Imagine that. The use of illegal labor hinders automation.

3 posted on 10/09/2011 1:35:54 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: glorgau
Time for Americans to step up and replace stoop labor with automation. Artificially holding down wages for the sake of slave labor from mexico only prolongs the mechanization of crop production.
4 posted on 10/09/2011 1:42:46 AM PDT by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: Moonman62

Why not hire little kids? Let them stuff thier faces with berries and pay them a dollar per gallon of berries harvested. Heck turn it into a festival of sorts, yearly.


5 posted on 10/09/2011 1:48:14 AM PDT by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: Moonman62

Keep in mind not all produce can be picked with automation. On another note: if people are looking for work here is a great place for them to work, Might be a good place to get a job, start a union be represented by a lobby and make a few bucks until you retire.


6 posted on 10/09/2011 1:48:54 AM PDT by Plumberman27
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Does anyone else think this can lead to all sorts of negative repurcussions?

(Perhaps if there isn’t enough prison labor to meet demand, the legislature can pass new laws making even more things/actions illegal. That way the police can imprison even more people.)


7 posted on 10/09/2011 1:50:30 AM PDT by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: Plumberman27
Keep in mind not all produce can be picked with automation.

Where there's a will, there's a way. For instance, citrus growers use tree shakers when slave labor isn't available. Grapes can be grown on special trellises that allow automation. I'm sure big cotton never thought there would be automation either (not that I'm comparing you to Big Cotton).

8 posted on 10/09/2011 1:57:25 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Moonman62
Imagine that. The use of illegal labor hinders automation.

Did you see the program recently on all the regulations placed on farmers? They're cripplingly expensive and there are 1000s more lined up in the Obama adm pipeline.

Remember the man who asked Obama about it and he told him to call the Agriculture Dept (?) and all he got was passed around?

And that's just farmers.

9 posted on 10/09/2011 2:01:45 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Plumberman27
start a union

Start a union?

Unions suck.

10 posted on 10/09/2011 2:03:55 AM PDT by Chunga ("Woo hoo!! Palin/West 2012. Unbeatable!!" - Jim Robinson)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

The sooner Obama is out of office, the better.


11 posted on 10/09/2011 2:07:32 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: gogogodzilla

Yes there will be repercussions.

Things just aren’t black and white as people who do not govern would like them to be or believe them to be.


12 posted on 10/09/2011 2:13:06 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

The interesting thing to me is that the farmers can’t find replacement workers even if they pay above minimum wage. What have we been told over and over again about “jobs Americans won’t do”? How about all those on welfare and not working? They should be mandated to take jobs like these in order to keep their benefits. Start rebuilding the work ethic. I’m sure the courts have already ruled that you can make work mandatory in order to receive welfare benefits.


13 posted on 10/09/2011 2:34:11 AM PDT by animal172 (Please Lord. Come get the liberals.)
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To: Moonman62; shield
The sooner Obama is out of office, the better.

With HUGE coat tails bringing conservatives into power nationally and locally.

14 posted on 10/09/2011 2:35:47 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: glorgau

Tennessee used inmates all over the state in the 1800’s for mining and agriculture.

Your choice. Rot in a 6X8 or work outside.


15 posted on 10/09/2011 2:37:31 AM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

You are very prolific this morning. Good Work!


16 posted on 10/09/2011 2:39:20 AM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: gogogodzilla

Lack of prison labor....LOL?

This is Alabama were talking about. That was a joke...right?


17 posted on 10/09/2011 2:42:51 AM PDT by Carbonsteel
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To: gogogodzilla

Oh noes ! Big bad Alabama is being mean to illegals by telling them to go home ! No wonder you La Raza Rick supporters are throwing a tantrum.


18 posted on 10/09/2011 2:48:13 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Rick Perry has more red flags than a May Day Parade)
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To: fieldmarshaldj
.... No wonder you La Raza Rick supporters are throwing a tantrum.

About what?

19 posted on 10/09/2011 3:05:58 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

La Raza Rick supporters like you don’t want illegals to go home. You want them to just keep on coming and overrunning our country. Why ?


20 posted on 10/09/2011 3:17:36 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Rick Perry has more red flags than a May Day Parade)
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To: glorgau

Won’t work in the field? Can’t draw unemployment. Problem solved.


21 posted on 10/09/2011 3:20:51 AM PDT by csmusaret (The only borders Obama has closed is a bookstore.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

We need to do away with jail sentences tied to the amount of time to be spent in jail - with the sole exception for capital crimes.

Instead, all sentences should be “fines” of various amount based on the offense. Here’s an example: suppose you’re convicted of armed robbery. You should be fined $150,000. The money to pay for your fine would be collected from wages you would earn pruducing some needed product or service that is sold in the market. In this case, earned from harvesting crops in Alabama. In other words, you WORK YOUR WAY OUT OF JAIL! YOU DON’T JUST SPEND TIME. The money apid for products and services people wnat to purchas eis used to house and feed the criminal. Now that’s rehabilitation and punishment at the same time.


22 posted on 10/09/2011 3:22:23 AM PDT by veritas2002
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To: gogogodzilla

There is more than ample prison labor, but what’s more I see literally thousands of able bodied people standing on the stoop or the corner everyday who could do the work and pay into their own subsistence instead of taxpayers doing it.

But they “ain’t fittin’ to do no farm work.”

The ACLU will move heaven and earth to make sure that the farm work will NOT be done by prisoners because it will demean them and bring back the ol’South mentality with all the plantations and slavery happy horshechit arguments.


23 posted on 10/09/2011 3:26:31 AM PDT by Molon Labbie
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

“Things just aren’t black and white as people who do not govern would like them to be or believe them to be.”

So therefor Perry’s stance of encouraging illegals and helping them get educated and find work is a good thing? is that the message?


24 posted on 10/09/2011 3:26:48 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: fieldmarshaldj; Cincinatus' Wife
La Raza Rick supporters like you don’t want illegals to go home. You want them to just keep on coming and overrunning our country. Why ?

Slave labor

25 posted on 10/09/2011 3:28:04 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: glorgau

Don’t confuse work-release program with slave labor.Nobody is forced to work,they can lay in their cell all day if they want.


26 posted on 10/09/2011 3:29:40 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: driftdiver

It’s truly amazing how much La Raza Rick resembles Huckster of the last Presidential election cycle. Huckster berated Arkansans as “un-Christian” for opposing his flooding the state with illegals. Of course, it was because Tyson wanted their plants jam-packed with that illegal slave labor. One wonders what industry or industries in Texas are demanding the Guv keep that same spigot open.


27 posted on 10/09/2011 3:39:11 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Rick Perry has more red flags than a May Day Parade)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

I hadn’t thought of that but you’re right. I have no sympathy for someone who’s business is predicated on the use of illegal labor.


28 posted on 10/09/2011 3:42:09 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

a couple yrs ago while driving 45 thru Huntsville,Tx, I pointed out to my son what was happening in plain sight. It really looked like slavery 200 yrs ago. There were a few overseerers (guards) on horseback with guns and numerous prisoners outside the fence but still on state land, I think they were either picking their own crops or weeding the garden. BUT, after that one prisoner escaped & killed that female guard in the process I haven’t seen them outside the walls since.


29 posted on 10/09/2011 3:48:09 AM PDT by Undecided 2012
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
without another potential labor source

There are no unemployed American citizens in Alabama? How is that possible?

30 posted on 10/09/2011 4:04:41 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Skip the election and let Thomas Sowell choose the next President.)
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To: eyedigress

I don’t see a problem with inmate labor. I would prefer it not be for private industry but it does help pay for prisons. When I was a kid we lived in a house surrounded by Southern Michigan Prison owned farmland. Back in those days, the prison fed itself and even sold some of what they grew.


31 posted on 10/09/2011 4:11:21 AM PDT by cripplecreek (ALCS/NLCS playoff thread http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2789907/posts)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I have no problem using prison labor providing the prisoners volunteer for the jobs and they are paid at the same rate as were the illegals.


32 posted on 10/09/2011 4:15:02 AM PDT by WellyP (REAL)
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To: cripplecreek

Actually here in Nashville they clean all of the court houses and various metro buildings. It’s not a problem.


33 posted on 10/09/2011 4:23:56 AM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: WellyP

Sheriff Joe gives 2 for 1 for everyday you clean the streets. (Yes, he can do that)


34 posted on 10/09/2011 4:26:05 AM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: Molon Labbie

“The ACLU will move heaven and earth to make sure that the farm work will NOT be done by prisoners because it will demean them and bring back the ol’South mentality with all the plantations and slavery happy horshechit arguments”

Especially since a lot of prison inmates are after all, black.


35 posted on 10/09/2011 4:30:10 AM PDT by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: cripplecreek

If more prisons had that system, you would see a lot less criminals. I remember reading that prisons used ot have convicts do sewing as well, making them work and putting htem to good use. They shouldn’t sit idle and allowed ot be converted to Islam or any other loony religions that are gaining a foothold with these people.


36 posted on 10/09/2011 4:33:51 AM PDT by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: eyedigress

“... gives 2 for 1 for everyday you clean the streets”.

I’m not sure I know what that means? Does he reduce you time by two days for every one day of work?


37 posted on 10/09/2011 4:42:48 AM PDT by momtothree
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To: momtothree

Yep!


38 posted on 10/09/2011 4:43:32 AM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: momtothree

Everyday you work is a day reduced, look at it that way.


39 posted on 10/09/2011 4:45:09 AM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: momtothree

If you get a misdemeanor 90 day sentence. Sheriff Joe will allow you to clean the streets for 45 days and let you out.


40 posted on 10/09/2011 4:47:42 AM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: glorgau

End all welfare, adjust the wages to market levels and there will be plenty of people to work.


41 posted on 10/09/2011 4:54:40 AM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: glorgau

We use work release people where I work. They are not slaves and they aren’t even really “inmates”. They are in transition from prison to release. They don’t have to work but will go back to prison to serve the rest of their time if they don’t. They are paid market rates for their labor.


42 posted on 10/09/2011 4:55:25 AM PDT by suthener
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To: Niuhuru

Into the 70s Michigan Southern Prison supplied itself with food as well as a few of the county jails in this part of the state. I’m sure that wasn’t all they did. I know they also sold bread and other baked goods they made there.


43 posted on 10/09/2011 4:59:42 AM PDT by cripplecreek (ALCS/NLCS playoff thread http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2789907/posts)
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To: WellyP

I have no problem with your plan if all prisoners pay for their clothing, food and rent.


44 posted on 10/09/2011 5:01:23 AM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

One wonders what industry or industries in Texas are demanding the Guv keep that same spigot open.

That’s easy. Construction. And any other business that involves hard, hot, dirty, cold, outside work.


45 posted on 10/09/2011 5:42:49 AM PDT by ngat
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To: factoryrat

it’s hard to believe that someone by this time has not come up with mechanical pickers to replace the illegal labor force that flows across the border each year. Mechanical pickers would be more cost-effective, safer for the food supply and faster.


46 posted on 10/09/2011 5:47:15 AM PDT by thethirddegree
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To: Vaduz
Don’t confuse work-release program with slave labor. Nobody is forced to work, they can lay in their cell all day if they want.

True, but any farmer signing up for this better multiply his manpower needs by three or four. Otherwise, he won't get his harvest in on time.

47 posted on 10/09/2011 5:49:46 AM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

During WWII, my grandfather (and many other farmers) hired German POWs from the nearby army camp to do field work.

Labor was short because all the local men were in uniform.

The Germans loved it. Much better than being on Hitler’s front lines.


48 posted on 10/09/2011 5:58:24 AM PDT by Jedidah
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

The Perry bashers on here are not going to change their minds no matter how many facts you put in front of them. Having any kind of discussion with them is futile. Your doing a great job getting the facts out about Perry, but those who would rather see Romney elected or Obama re-elected are going to spin the facts to suit their agenda.
Ha! for instance, Perry bashers have decided that in-state tuition is a free education. So I should get my money back, I just put my daughter through 4 years of college here!


49 posted on 10/09/2011 6:10:26 AM PDT by Quickgun (As a former fetus, I'm opposed to abortion. Mamas don't let your cowboys grow up to be babies..)
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To: eyedigress

I’d try my hand at outside.


50 posted on 10/09/2011 6:25:04 AM PDT by wally_bert (It's sheer elegance in its simplicity! - The Middleman)
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