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The bitter price to pay for Mexico's bloody drugs war
The Daily Telegraph ^ | 10/09/2011 | Harriet Alexander

Posted on 10/09/2011 5:57:15 AM PDT by EnglishCon

Ms Valles, 21, fled Mexico in fear of her life, hustling her parents, sisters, husband and one-year-old son into a 4 x 4 vehicle and hurtling across the border to seek asylum in the United States. They left just in time. That night a squad of hit men arrived at their small bungalow and ransacked the rooms.

"I would like to go back home," she said. "But if I hadn't left my country I wouldn't be alive now."

In spite of her diminutive size and sweet, girlish manner, Ms Valles had some powerful and vicious enemies. The criminology graduate was appointed chief of police in the small town of Praxedis G Guerrero, 50 miles east of Ciudad Juarez and a few miles from the US border.

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Mexico; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: atf; banglist; borderwars; castaway; cia; dea; dhs; doj; drugcartel; fastandfurious; fbi; gunrunner; gunwalker; holder; ice; mexico; obama; perjury
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Just something of interest, that I have not seen in the US media.
1 posted on 10/09/2011 5:57:20 AM PDT by EnglishCon
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To: EnglishCon

Notice that the $300 billion dollar per year marked is in the US. If the US citizens quit using drugs, the problem would go away. What is there about the US that drives people to drug use?


2 posted on 10/09/2011 6:03:39 AM PDT by Citizen Tom Paine (An old sailor sends)
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To: afnamvet; TheOldLady; BuckeyeTexan; Glenn; Cheerio; fuzzthatwuz; Cap Huff; aragorn; HOYA97; ...

WAR AT THE BORDER-MORE THAN A TEXAS PROBLEM

ALIPAC


JUST DO IT!

3 posted on 10/09/2011 6:06:20 AM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: EnglishCon
She sounds like a sympathetic character. However ...

hurtling across the border to seek asylum in the United States.

She also sounds like an illegal immigrant. The media loves to find sympathetic characters and then argue that 30 million illegal immigrants needs to be given amnesty ASAP.

4 posted on 10/09/2011 6:08:16 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The USSR spent itself into bankruptcy and collapsed -- and aren't we on the same path now?)
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To: Citizen Tom Paine

They will never quit using drugs. Too many people prefer getting high vs being uncompromisable. I don’t use drugs and despise those who do.

The solution however, and I hate to say it is to legalize them, but regulate them to ensure quality and safety.


5 posted on 10/09/2011 6:08:23 AM PDT by Jonty30
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To: EnglishCon

Was just reading this story...The Telegraph the first news source I read each day. Note the comment in the article that claims the citizens are more at danger with more violence (right across the border) than in Afghanistan.


6 posted on 10/09/2011 6:10:22 AM PDT by fight_truth_decay
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To: Citizen Tom Paine

I honestly don’t know. Never seen the appeal myself, but then again I had to work hard all my life.
Seems to me that most drug users get things handed to them on a plate - not much personal satisfaction in that!


7 posted on 10/09/2011 6:10:45 AM PDT by EnglishCon
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To: ClearCase_guy
Fast and Furious Policy in effect.
8 posted on 10/09/2011 6:12:04 AM PDT by opentalk
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To: ClearCase_guy

Is there a difference between illegal and asylum seeking? I know here, you can claim asylum at the border (usually the airport) and your case gets investigated. If it fails, you supposedly get deported again.
She does certainly sound like a valid asylum case - but like I say, I don’t know US law in this regard.


9 posted on 10/09/2011 6:13:06 AM PDT by EnglishCon
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To: MestaMachine

Sorry mate - meant to ping you to the thread, but you got to it before I could!


10 posted on 10/09/2011 6:13:53 AM PDT by EnglishCon
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To: Jonty30; All

I think you are right..


11 posted on 10/09/2011 6:17:23 AM PDT by KevinDavis (What has Ron Paul done in Congress??)
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To: Citizen Tom Paine
Want to read something scary ...google Drugs and Bath Salts showing up in Maine of late..Portland Press Herald - Internet distribution, removed from stores, packaging disguise.

Re:Bath Salts, Drugs

12 posted on 10/09/2011 6:18:32 AM PDT by fight_truth_decay
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To: All
The bitter price US CITIZENS pay for Mexico's orchestrated bloody drugs war---is another Mexican con game to get their greedy hands on US tax dollars.

REFERENCE----WHAT IS THE MERIDA INITIATIVE? The US Congress passed legislation in late June 2008 to provide Mexico with $400 million and Central American countries with $65 million that year alone, for the specific purpose of "fighting drug wars." The initiative was announced 22 Oct 2007 and signed into law June 30, 2008.

THE FACTS ARE THESE: The Third World is calculatedly staging the "war on drugs" and other border violence -- with a hidden agenda--to loot the United States treasury. Using deceit and guile, Mexico has infiltrated the US political system, from domestic to foreign policy, as well as L/E. The Mexican govt is sending millions of Reconquista shock troops from Third Worlds over the border (illegal aliens) coaching them about taking over the US system.

It is WELL known that the Zetas ‘gulf Cartel, a former "special forces unit" of the Mexican Army, has been in operation for years and has recently been recruiting openly in Mexico. In the border city of Reynosa a banner reads, “Former soldiers sought to form armed group; good pay, $500,” “The Zetas operations group wants you, soldier or ex-soldier.”

Mexican authorities said the signs were probably an attempt to "demoralize the soldiers and police," rather than a serious recruiting effort.

(waiting for hysterical laughter to die down)

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Central/South America and Mexico are conning the US -----extorting US tax dollars to support Marxist/terrorist movement via the Merida Initiative----a despicable con game to arm its police and military using US tax dollars to protect terrorists and drug cartels who are moving across the border into the US. (Mexico is also the staging area for Central and South American Third Worlders, and terrorists from all over the globe, to invade the US.)

Clearly, the Mexican govt is fomenting drug violence in order to: (1) get billions of dollars in US assistance, and, (2) to get Third World voting blocs established over the border---pressure groups to badger Congress for more and more giveaways.

THE CON UP CLOSE Mexican border-crossers claim they are "victims" of violence and need "asylum." They know that pleading "Asylum" gets them thousands of dollars monthly from a special section of Social Security.

Illegals are being coached by Third World governments on how to loot the US Treasury. A lot of the monry is wired back home,.......a select few take a cut.

The federales, themselves, are salivating to get their dirty hands on trillions in US foreign aid---and they need voting blocs to manipulate the US govt and loot the US Treasury.

ACTION NOW---Stop all funding for this con game. Tell your reps to stop funding the Merida Initiative scam now. No more US tax dollars for Third World connivers.

13 posted on 10/09/2011 6:19:56 AM PDT by Liz (The rule of law must prevail. We can’t govern ourselves by our personal point of view.)
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To: EnglishCon
I would imagine that there is a real, legal difference between illegal and asylum seeking. And this woman may be a valid candidate for asylum.

But the media is intentionally loose with language. They turn everything into a gray area. Here in MA, the state attorney general declared support for illegal aliens, saying that they hadn't broken any laws. Huh?

The stories about people seeking asylum are not stories about people seeking asylum. These stories are about Jose working as a gardener for below market wages.

14 posted on 10/09/2011 6:21:34 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The USSR spent itself into bankruptcy and collapsed -- and aren't we on the same path now?)
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To: fight_truth_decay

I usually start with the Times (have press access, so the paywall isn’t a problem) and Al Jazeera, then the Telegraph and the BBC. Between the four you get a reasonably balanced and only moderately left wing slant on the day’s stories.

I can believe the danger claims. I spent two years in Mexico in my youth (long distant!) and it was rough then. Now, according to friends, it is far too dangerous a place to raise a family, or run a business, or even to farm food!


15 posted on 10/09/2011 6:26:44 AM PDT by EnglishCon
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To: EnglishCon

Sometimes I get lucky. LOL
Don’t stop pinging though because it only happens once in awhile.


16 posted on 10/09/2011 6:27:54 AM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: Liz

Thank you for the info Liz.

That is something that certainly gets no mention here in Europe


17 posted on 10/09/2011 6:29:10 AM PDT by EnglishCon
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To: ClearCase_guy
You need to read her story and background to see she was Police...and not stereotype her ....she did only what liberals believe can be true-— fight the guys with guns with “flowers”. ..and peace will come,,,,and these guys are Really Dangerous, your own personal nightmare, plus she had good information to pass on, so the Safe House.

Lack of family leadership, easy money to the youth, lack of education and another Terrorist is recruited.

The Telegraph is not your usual media outlet that is why many read it over the US rags disguised as Journalism.

18 posted on 10/09/2011 6:30:33 AM PDT by fight_truth_decay
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To: opentalk; All

Plus the war on drugs in full effect..


19 posted on 10/09/2011 6:31:44 AM PDT by KevinDavis (What has Ron Paul done in Congress??)
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To: ClearCase_guy

There is a sign in the news room I used to work in.

“Emotion makes headlines.”

I will be following her case now I have seen it, as to me it is interesting.
To be honest, she did what I’d have done - grab family and get out of Dodge, without stopping to wind the cat and put out the clock - so I have some sympathy for her.


20 posted on 10/09/2011 6:33:34 AM PDT by EnglishCon
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To: ClearCase_guy

She is not Jose the gardener Clear Case Guy...keep reaching...The Telegraph is a reliable source not Your Boston Globe! ;)


21 posted on 10/09/2011 6:34:38 AM PDT by fight_truth_decay
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To: AuntB; Tennessee Nana; Clintonfatigued; South40; cripplecreek; caww; TADSLOS; 2ndDivisionVet; ...
It is well-known that the savage Zetas Gulf cartel---- once a former "special forces unit" of the Mexican Army---- has been in operation for years, and recruits openly in Mexico. The signature Zetas penalty for those who dare finger them is beheading.

In fact the Zeta drug cartels are very busy setting up their organization IN THE US-----IN DALLAS, TEXAS.

So far, Texas Gov Perry (a presidential aspirant) has made no move to close them down.

Maybe he's waiting til they finish college with in-state tuition? (/snix)

22 posted on 10/09/2011 6:34:45 AM PDT by Liz (The rule of law must prevail. We can’t govern ourselves by our personal point of view.)
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To: fight_truth_decay
Why do you think I didn't read the story? I know who she was. Perhaps you couldn't grasp my point.

The media finds a strong-willed woman willing to serve as a police chief in Mexico who is then chased out and needs political asylum. For the media, that is a justification for amnesty for all illegal immigrants.

Likewise, the media will find a 12-yr-old girl who was raped and impregnated by her father and the media will use that as justification for government-funded abortion.

Find a sympathetic case, then argue for a broad, sweeping societal change which is not nearly so sympathetic.

It's a tactic.

23 posted on 10/09/2011 6:35:18 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The USSR spent itself into bankruptcy and collapsed -- and aren't we on the same path now?)
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To: Citizen Tom Paine

“If the US citizens quit using drugs, the problem would go away. What is there about the US that drives people to drug use?”

Mostly the facts that the “if it feels good do it” and “its nobody’s business as long as its just me” crowds condone it, the hedonists of Hollywood actively promote it as harmless, and it serves the interests of trial lawyers to fill the court dockets and their pockets with the public money from being paid defenders of that which is indefensible, so they support it too.


24 posted on 10/09/2011 6:36:25 AM PDT by GenXteacher (He that hath no stomach for this fight, let him depart!)
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To: ClearCase_guy

I heard a report that the feds are going to crack down on the legal pot dispensaries in the US because the pot is so high grade AND grown here. That tells me they want to keep the prices high for the cartels with the ILLEGAL stuff coming in over the border. I don’t like it.


25 posted on 10/09/2011 6:36:53 AM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: MestaMachine

Oh I shall!

Might ping you on some European border stories too - sometimes it is good to know how other countries are failing to deal with the same problems!


26 posted on 10/09/2011 6:37:47 AM PDT by EnglishCon
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To: EnglishCon
One high school summer back in the 60s, I took a six week course at the Tech in Monterrey. Mexico had a growing middle class back then. If there was a drug problem, I sure didn't see it.
27 posted on 10/09/2011 6:46:53 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

I was in the sticks well outside Zacatecas. Rural community, hardscrabble farming - mostly subsistance with some small cash crops.
Arrived there after an accident, and just stayed for two years helping out in the school and mechanicing. Wife and kids loved it, so did I.


28 posted on 10/09/2011 6:53:35 AM PDT by EnglishCon
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To: EnglishCon

***Just something of interest, that I have not seen in the US media.***

It’s been covered, at least here in TX. For someone in hiding, I am concerned for her safety when I’ve seen videotaped interviews on television. I think some people may have the idea that the Cartels are only good at torture, and killing.
They are also tech savvy. They have expertise in logistics, accounting,chemistry, banking..Think of the things one would want in a successful global corporation..the cartels have all that, including friends in high places..It’s pretty scary.

Also, of interest:

http://insightcrime.org/insight-latest-news/item/1604-ending-the-zetas-killing-spree-an-invisible-success-story


29 posted on 10/09/2011 6:55:33 AM PDT by sockmonkey (Freepers, please turn yourself in at attackwatch.com)
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To: Citizen Tom Paine
What is there about the US that drives people to drug use?

All the hard to do stuff has been done. living is easy, with more leasure time than many know what to do with, not having the drive in the first place to ---->do something<----.

30 posted on 10/09/2011 7:01:57 AM PDT by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: sockmonkey

Thank you for the link!

Yeah, I worry about her being found, but I respect her for speaking out. The fact she is a graduate, a cop and, to be honest, pretty, will get far more interest than if she was some peasant farmer that had to run.
The Zetas, and the other cartels, are so evil that any and all information is useful on them. I hear some things from various friends in TX, AZ and Mexico, but not enough.


31 posted on 10/09/2011 7:06:04 AM PDT by EnglishCon
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To: Liz

No more US tax dollars for Third World connivers.

How about no more US tax dollars leave the US until we clean up this mess.


32 posted on 10/09/2011 7:07:14 AM PDT by Josephat
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To: Josephat

You got that right.


33 posted on 10/09/2011 7:19:12 AM PDT by Liz (The rule of law must prevail. We can’t govern ourselves by our personal point of view.)
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To: opentalk; All

This is a result of our government arming the drug cartels to try to restrict 2nd amendment rights,get obama’s re-election funds from the cartels and cause an influx of illegals for the dems voting base.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2789698/posts


34 posted on 10/09/2011 7:20:10 AM PDT by Watchdog85
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To: Liz

“So far, Texas Gov Perry (a presidential aspirant) has made no move to close them down.”

The only thing that is REALLY going to “close down” the drug cartels, and put them permanently out of business, is a “Chinese solution”.

In the early years of communism, how did the Chinese deal with drug dealers?

Just sayin’...


35 posted on 10/09/2011 7:26:19 AM PDT by Grumplestiltskin (I may look new, but it's only deja vu!)
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To: EnglishCon
Wife and I used to vacation at one of the Mexican resorts. We lived in Mpls and needed a break from the 20 below zero winters. Ixtapa was our favorite place. Huatulco was just new with two hotels and little to do. We flew from Huatulco to Oaxaca on a tidy old DC-3, Air Liberdad, I think. Up in the mountains, this little city was a traditional Indian-Spanish mixture. Some folks spoke a local dialect and would switch back to Spanish or English, as needed.
36 posted on 10/09/2011 7:30:45 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: EnglishCon
"The bitter price to pay for Mexico's bloody drugs war"

A Modest Proposal - simply shoot anyone who is found in possession of drugs. Sentence to be carried out within 24 hours of capture. Policy to apply to every nationality including Americans.

This would have the effect of (1) deterring possession. (2) Eliminating those people who do possess drugs (3) Keeping the price low (1 bullet = $0.?? when purchased in bulk) (4) Keep the lefty media busy.

37 posted on 10/09/2011 7:31:04 AM PDT by I am Richard Brandon
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To: Liz

Just to add local flavor here at Perryville ground zero of Austin, the Mexican drug cartel La Familia operates here in plain sight. They use Austin as a distribution hub into the deep south and mid-west. While Ricardo Perry chides us of being heartless, his state Capitol is run amok with illegals operating a massive drug cartel within view of his Governor’s mansion.


38 posted on 10/09/2011 7:37:11 AM PDT by TADSLOS (Free Republic- Still AAA++ rated)
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To: Citizen Tom Paine

People like you.


39 posted on 10/09/2011 8:06:44 AM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: EnglishCon

I suggest that everyone read the following report about Texas Border Security:

http://www.texasagriculture.gov/vgn/tda/files/1848/46982_Final%20Report-Texas%20Border%20Security.pdf

It was written by two military experts who each have extensive experience. The report seems long, but one can get the meat of it by reading pages 9-15.

Note the recommendations.


40 posted on 10/09/2011 8:15:14 AM PDT by LOC1 (Let's pick the best, not settle for a compromise.)
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To: I am Richard Brandon

Mexico’s problem is the result of strict gun control. People are not allowed to defend themselves. The result is that the crooks take over, and they just happen to be dealing drugs. Gun control is the real problem. The police are either corrupt or neutralized, so minutes don’t matter when you are in trouble.


41 posted on 10/09/2011 8:16:38 AM PDT by aimhigh
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To: EnglishCon
CNN did this article and more on the sidebar.
None of these articles mention why all these "narcos" show up in a sleepy little farm town.
Tornillo-Guadalupe Land Port of Entry, Tornillo, TX six lanes that tie straight into I-10. The bridge hasn't been started yet but Kay Bailey already has a $93 million earmark for it.
42 posted on 10/09/2011 8:17:56 AM PDT by Tornillo ("arm yourselves" - Sheriff West,Hudspeth County Texas)
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To: LOC1

That is quite a report. The FedGov has failed so spectacularly in its duty Texas ought to declare a moratorium on its citizens paying federal taxes, instead paying them into the state, and use that to fund their border security operations.


43 posted on 10/09/2011 8:36:22 AM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: KevinDavis

“Plus the war on drugs in full effect..”

No, it is not or we would have stopped idiots from cooking/using them instead of stopping law abbiding citizens from buying ALLERGY pills!

As far as I’m concerned we should build BIGGER prisons just for DRUGGIES! They are more harmful than petty thieves! They steal, they lie, they harm innocent people and ruin families. They think of no one but themselves and where and how they get their next “fix”, nothing else matters. If some drug cartel slits a family members throat, they don’t care as long as they can get high!

Druggies should rot in jail, IMO, since they cost billions of taxpayers dollars and many, many lives. They ruin not only communities but entire towns/cities and anything they touch.

They are the most selfish people to ever walk the face of the earth, everyone else be damned. Lock up druggies and you solve a lot of problems!


44 posted on 10/09/2011 9:15:32 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: kcvl

And how exactly would you stop it?

Drugs are easily available in prison and North Korea, how do you expect to be able to stop it?

Note that most of the issues you’re talking about are all consequences of the war on drugs, and not the drugs themselves. Cartels only exist because of the illegality of some drugs. If they were legal, druggies wouldn’t have to steal.


45 posted on 10/09/2011 9:57:02 AM PDT by MetaThought
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To: ClearCase_guy
>>The media loves to find sympathetic characters and then argue that 30 million illegal immigrants needs to be given amnesty ASAP.<<

I would suggest that in this case “political asylum” applies. She was after all being specifically targeted. I would think that we need to be careful about “lumping all together” as we accuse them of using this case as a “sympathetic character” example.

46 posted on 10/09/2011 10:47:40 AM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: TADSLOS; AuntB; Tennessee Nana; Clintonfatigued; South40; cripplecreek; caww; 2ndDivisionVet; ...
While Ricardo Perry chides us for being heartless, his bailiwick, Austin, the state Capitol, is run amok with illegals operating a massive drug cartel within view of his Governor’s mansion. The Mexican drug cartel La Familia operates in plain sight.........using Austin as a drug distribution hub into the deep south and mid-west.

Let's see----you got La Familia in Austin and the Zetas in Dallas (that we know of).

Now we know that Perry is stupid AND avaricious.......so that means the governor's not looking the other way, for free.

Looks like Senor Perry's made some solid deals to protect Mexican drug operations, giving them free and easy access to Texas.

One question---how much Texas tax dollars are being used to facilitate all of this?

47 posted on 10/09/2011 11:02:28 AM PDT by Liz (The rule of law must prevail. We can’t govern ourselves by our personal point of view.)
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To: Liz

” Perry is stupid AND avaricious”

I don’t think I’d go that far. He’s a thoroughly mediocre Governor, a very go-with-the-flow weathervane. He’s not my first choice at all, but still a vast improvement over the President we have now.


48 posted on 10/09/2011 11:55:44 AM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Illegal aliens collect welfare checks that Americans won't collect)
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To: Citizen Tom Paine

Drugs make things so much worse. I don’t know why people don’t think about that before they start using.


49 posted on 10/09/2011 1:05:04 PM PDT by POWERSBOOTHEFAN (Calgon,take me away.)
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To: MestaMachine
With the rise of quasi-legal medical marijuana production in some states, I don't know anyone who buys or smokes Mexican weed.

They are likely selling it in ghettos and to Mexicans already here.

50 posted on 10/09/2011 1:12:03 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass
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