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Romney rivals may go after him for flip-flops
Boston Globe ^ | 10/9/11 | Philip Elliot

Posted on 10/09/2011 11:47:42 AM PDT by DRey

Mitt Romney faced relentless criticism four years ago for changing his positions on abortion and gay rights and equivocating on other issues, including immigration and gun control. This year, the former Massachusetts governor has largely escaped such attacks as he competes again for the Republican presidential nomination. That might be changing.

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KEYWORDS: elections; flipflop; homosexualagenda; perry; prolife; romney; romneytruthfile
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Looks like the Conservatives on the stage are figuring out that relentless attacks on Perry are only strengthening Romney. I love Perry's quote: "For some candidates, pro-life is an election-year slogan to follow the prevailing political winds."
1 posted on 10/09/2011 11:47:45 AM PDT by DRey
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To: DRey

Yup, amazing Romney is a pure flip flopper and oversaw his states, first in the nation, version of Obamacare - yet the entire field has been so focused on Perry they’ve let him get away with it almost unscathed.

Perhaps Romney has become such a good debater that he will be able to brush aside such questioning the next time they are all on a stage together, but it would nice to see them at least raise the issues.

As of now Romney seems to be coasting to the nomination without hardly a challenge - and the guy should be more vulnerable than any of the others (real candidates I mean, not Gary Johnson or Ron Paul).


2 posted on 10/09/2011 11:52:49 AM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: DRey

MSM SUPPORTS ROMNEY! YUP,we got a winner there. Geeeez, give us a LEADER! Get rid of this Wishy Washy run of the mill inside Republican candidates. Give me some one like Cain, so I will be sure to go and vote with enthusiasm. The MSM loves Blaaah Republicans.


3 posted on 10/09/2011 11:54:56 AM PDT by Bringbackthedraft (CAIN, CAIN!)
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To: DRey

Just “may”?


4 posted on 10/09/2011 11:55:26 AM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: Longbow1969

Romney has been allowed to slide because the Media is for Romney.

They want Romney so bad they can taste it. Romney is their best chance to put Obama back in the White House.

Don’t worry: after the Primary’s the Media will be out to get him.


5 posted on 10/09/2011 11:56:10 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: DRey

R rivals or D rivals? Answer: Both.


6 posted on 10/09/2011 11:56:44 AM PDT by bigbob
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To: DRey

Abortion? Gun control? Gay rights? Oh, come on now. Romney says he’s always been pro-life, pro-family and is a life long hunter:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=7OQoBxZZPqU

He also says RomneyCare is a conservative free-market program. It’s just that he loves mandates.

And he says the planet IS warming and it’s up to us to save it. It’s settled science, just like Roe v Wade is settled law and therefore he’s sworn to preserve and protect a woman’s right to choose.


7 posted on 10/09/2011 11:57:08 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Impeach the corrupt Marxist bastard!!)
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To: DRey
Perry really better come up with a Presidential agenda soon.

His problem with Conservatives is no one knows what he really stands for. He says all the right things but then so did Bush.

Nice sounding words in speeches and platitude are not a Presidential agenda.

8 posted on 10/09/2011 12:04:48 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: Jim Robinson

Ugh. To hear you say it like that...I cannot believe we’re even having to discuss this guy in the context of a potential Republican nominee. It’s disgusting.


9 posted on 10/09/2011 12:05:34 PM PDT by DRey (Perry/Rubio 2012)
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To: Jim Robinson

There is only one way I will ever cast a vote for Romney in 2012,
and that is if by November, my only valid choice is between him or Obama.


10 posted on 10/09/2011 12:09:05 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th
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To: DRey

I’d prefer to hear the candidates going after Obama than wasting their fire on each other. I’m not going to pick my candidate based on who most effectively attacks his fellow Repub, but rather on the one who most effectively takes the wood to the Obamists.

Still, Romney is one of my bottom three. He’s a deal-maker. He doesn’t have any principles, his principle is making the deal. If he manages to make a successful deal then he believes he’s done his job. He doesn’t look at what principles he had to give up to get to the deal, for him the deal itself is the thing. So we will never be able to depend on him to stand for principle. It isn’t in him.

So, for me, the top of the list is Cain, Bachmann, Santorum, Gingrich (in no particular order), then Perry, and then the bottom. Romney the shape-shifter, Paul who is Paul, and Huntsman the smarmy.

I think I like Huntsman least of all. Paul would make a good Secretary of Treasury or Interior (or Education; he could help us close that agency down), and Romney would make a good Secretary of Commerce. Huntsman irritates me just looking at him.


11 posted on 10/09/2011 12:15:23 PM PDT by marron
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To: DRey

Mormonism is a secret society! THee are levels where new revelations are given when a member reaches them. Romney is at the level equal to the 33rd degree (the top) in Freemasonry!


12 posted on 10/09/2011 12:17:13 PM PDT by Paperdoll (I like Herman Cain)
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To: Repeal The 17th

I refuse to play that game. If the GOP cannot field an honest conservative candidate for president, and instead puts up an abortionist, homosexual pandering, global warming advocating, gun-grabbing, big government, mandate-loving socialist healthcare pushing, progressive LIAR, then I’m no longer a Republican.

Not a case of me leaving the Republican party, the Republican party will have left me.

Go TEA party!! Long live the Republic!!

God, life, family and country first!! Progressive Republican NEVER!!


13 posted on 10/09/2011 12:18:51 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Impeach the corrupt Marxist bastard!!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; RoosterRedux; jonrick46; deepbluesea; RockinRight; TexMom7; potlatch; ...
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14 posted on 10/09/2011 12:23:24 PM PDT by shield (Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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To: DRey

I wouldn’t call pro-life a campaign slogan. I would call pro-life truly the right side to be on!!


15 posted on 10/09/2011 12:24:09 PM PDT by Paperdoll (I like Herman Cain)
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To: DRey
Mitt Romney: We do have tough gun control laws in Mass. I support them and will not chip away at them.

16 posted on 10/09/2011 12:25:47 PM PDT by shield (Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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To: Jim Robinson

That is the only thing I know of that you and I have ever differed on.


17 posted on 10/09/2011 12:25:55 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th
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To: DRey

Rather than confontational, wouldn’t Peerry be better off announcing his polcies on important isssues?


18 posted on 10/09/2011 12:26:39 PM PDT by Paperdoll (I like Herman Cain)
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To: Bringbackthedraft

The Establishment supports Romney, and for good reason.


19 posted on 10/09/2011 12:28:13 PM PDT by Paperdoll (I like Herman Cain)
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To: Paperdoll

I think Perry would be delighted to announce his policies on important issues. Unfortunately, he’s being attacked from all sides and is constantly defending himself. If that defensive stance is ever allowed to change, he’ll get his message out. Frankly, if it doesn’t change...if the Conservatives on the stage don’t redirect their fire from Perry to Romney, we’re going to have the choice of Romney or Obama in a few months.


20 posted on 10/09/2011 12:36:00 PM PDT by DRey (Perry/Rubio 2012)
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To: DRey
FWIW

..........."Finally, direct confrontation is not customarily a Mormon thing. Dr. Michael Stevens, a professor of Human Resource Management at Weber State University, has conducted studies documenting rates of passive-aggressive behavior at least twice as high among cultural Mormons as among our non-LDS counterparts. Mormon essayist and Brigham Young University professor Elouise Bell once wrote about legendary Mormon “niceness” and the darker feelings it cloaks. Analyzing what she identified as a Mormon tendency to manage disagreement by acting “sentimentally or deviously towards those we encounter face to face, and hostilely towards those we don’t know,“ Bell concluded that “Nice, in short, ain’t so nice.".................. Source




21 posted on 10/09/2011 12:37:05 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Repeal The 17th

Well, I’m all in on this. If Willard the progressive Rat Romney is the Republican one, I may be forced off the net, because FR will NOT be used to support him. In fact, I will actively campaign against him and for a grassroots conservative tea party candidate. Progressive Republicans can find a home elsewhere. If FR becomes a ghost town, that’s it unless a very popular TEA party candidate steps forward to defeat both Obama and Romney.


22 posted on 10/09/2011 12:39:17 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Impeach the corrupt Marxist bastard!!)
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To: DRey
August 5 an announcement by three term Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison (Kay's retiring after this term but not to the TX Governor’s mansion after losing the primary to Gov. Rick Perry. Her primary challenge was backed by Karl Rove and the Bushes) that she can’t endorse Rick Perry because he doesn’t have enough real-life experience running a business. Interesting, since Perry’s been running the State of Texas for 11 years and as an executive has done quite well for the people of Texas– can’t say the same for Kay Bailey Hutchison.
23 posted on 10/09/2011 12:46:26 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Jim Robinson

Perry’s problem seems to be that calling Romney a flip-flopper leaves himself open to the same charge.


24 posted on 10/09/2011 12:47:12 PM PDT by Ingtar (I closed my eyes, only for a moment, and the moment's gone...)
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To: Jim Robinson
If FR becomes a ghost town, that’s it unless a very popular TEA party candidate steps forward to defeat both Obama and Romney.

The GOP itself hangs in the balance. I have believed that for some time. The so-called tea-party (which is basically the GOP rank and file) was the party's temporary salvation. If, with everything on the line, the party walks away from its own rank and file then they will, and should, and must, go the way of the Whigs.

If GOP repudiates its own membership (not to mention its own purported principles, which they sell at retail every day of the week), then I'm out too.

25 posted on 10/09/2011 12:48:00 PM PDT by marron
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Perry’s remark that Social Security is a ponzi scheme is simple uncontroversial truth. I don’t think there is any sentient person out there who doesn’t know that. Romney makes himself look ridiculous by arguing the point. And if you listen to Romney’s own remarks, in effect he admits the truth of it even while disputing it.

Romney doesn’t even believe what he is saying, he is just positioning himself. I don’t like Perry much but on this issue he is speaking clear truth and Romney is looking for an angle.


26 posted on 10/09/2011 12:54:06 PM PDT by marron
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To: Ingtar

Perry has some problems to overcome. Not sure he can. That said, if he’s the last man standing against Romney, I’ll support him. At least he does have sufficient executive experience and the majority of the Texas voters like him well enough to continue reelecting him and he has done a pretty good job with the economy in Texas despite Obama and the Marxist democrats. And he’s a pro-God, pro-life, pro-family, pro-America veteran patriot! Other than his in-state tuition fiasco, he does have a lot going for him.

Hope he succeeds. I love TEXAS!!


27 posted on 10/09/2011 12:56:43 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Impeach the corrupt Marxist bastard!!)
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To: DRey
Romney rivals may go after him for flip-flops.

God knows that Romney has given them enough ammunition.

28 posted on 10/09/2011 1:00:57 PM PDT by SoJoCo
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To: Jim Robinson

Like I said, other than that, you and I are of the same mind.

One thanksgiving a few years back,
many in the family had gotten bored with our traditional turkey dinner.
About half wanted to have semi-traditional ham,
and another bunch wanted to do something “different”;
they had settled on wanting spaghetti, of all things.

Now, as for me, I wanted the traditional turkey dinner,
after all, tradition is what thanksgiving is all about.

When it came time to raise hands in a vote,
I knew I was not going to get turkey,
so I voted for ham,
just to avoid having to have spaghetti.

It is a simplistic analogy, I know,
but it’s the best I can do at the moment.

Even if I am losing, with only a few seconds left to play,
even if I think the other side has cheated,
and the referees have been unfair,
I still will not walk off the field.


29 posted on 10/09/2011 1:02:51 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th
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To: marron

I sincerely believe that if Romney is nominated it will split many Christian pro-life, pro-family, pro-gun, pro-small government conservatives off the Republican rolls and may even split the Tea party as well. The tea party sprang up, in large part, to combat socialized healthcare. Romney still brags about his RomneyCare being a successful conservative free-market program. Never heard of a free-market program that includes forced government mandates and government enforced penalties if you choose not to go along. That and he still promotes global warming and it’s economy killing mandates against industry.

Romney is an ASS!! Never will I support that lying rat bastard big government progressive/socialist!! Romney marks the end of the GOP as a conservative party.


30 posted on 10/09/2011 1:10:22 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Impeach the corrupt Marxist bastard!!)
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To: Repeal The 17th

I’m fine with spaghetti if Rat bastard Romney is the alternative.


31 posted on 10/09/2011 1:11:51 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Impeach the corrupt Marxist bastard!!)
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To: DRey

Yes, but I think you’ve completely overlooked a very viable candidate who is running neck to neck with Romney, Herman Cain. Mr. Cain doesn’t diss other candidates. His mama did him well! He is a complete gentleman. Brilliant but with great common sense. (A rarity!) Obama doesn’t know the meaning of either of those words.


32 posted on 10/09/2011 1:14:00 PM PDT by Paperdoll (I like Herman Cain)
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To: Paperdoll

If it’s a choice between Cain and Romney, I’m all in for Cain, make no mistake. I just don’t like Cain’s lack of political experience. I think the Dems will eat him for breakfast if the GOP establishment doesn’t get to him first. We’ve seen what inexperience gets us, and it’s not pretty. I also don’t like his hedging on issues like abortion. He’s not nearly as conservative as I would like to see. But again, that said, he gets my vote if it’s a Romney/Cain contest. I truly believe Perry is the best man for the job.


33 posted on 10/09/2011 1:20:02 PM PDT by DRey (Perry/Rubio 2012)
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To: Jim Robinson

If Romney somehow ends up with the nomination,
it will tear Obama’s opposition apart.

Let us both pray hard that that does not happen.


34 posted on 10/09/2011 1:21:12 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th
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To: DRey
Mitt Romney: I believe abortion should be safe and legal in this country.
I will preserve and protect a woman's right to choose.
I am not going to change our pro-choice laws in Mass. in anyway.

35 posted on 10/09/2011 1:28:24 PM PDT by shield (Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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To: Jim Robinson

I agree, I agree, I agree.

FUMR


36 posted on 10/09/2011 1:29:28 PM PDT by tirednvirginia (one)
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To: DRey

Perry became target number one because of his meteoric rise and subsequent fall, but he isn’t out of this race yet. I expect another surge from him. Romney is the establishment pick by default, but he isn’t doing much better than he did last time around, which indicates he has good, solid support, but not quite enough of it. A lot of progressive Republicans are crying over Christie’s decision. ...I would like to see some of the also rans turn their criticisms towards Romney, and leave Cain to concentrate his energy on attacking Obama.


37 posted on 10/09/2011 1:32:14 PM PDT by pallis
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To: Paperdoll

Herman Cain is not a serious candidate. You think he is by the polls...but he has little campaign organization along with very poor fund raising. He is made that choice...he is on a book tour and yes, that is some what tied to the race. But it takes a strong organization throughout the country...he has had a lot of time to do that but has chosen not to. Perry and Romney have the money raised and have strong campaign organzations throughout the USA, they are both as serious as a heart attack. And the watchers including the big donors look at all this...they do not see him as a serious candidate.


38 posted on 10/09/2011 1:35:25 PM PDT by shield (Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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To: DRey; Jim Robinson
I love Perry's quote: "For some candidates, pro-life is an election-year slogan to follow the prevailing political winds."

“If someone comes in the door and says, ‘Mitt, black is white,’ he’ll say, ‘Oh, no, black is black or black is red. He never takes anything at face value; he can argue any side of a question. And sometimes you think he’s like really believing his argument, but he’s not." - Ann Romney

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39 posted on 10/09/2011 1:38:11 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: Jim Robinson
"God, life, family and country first!! Progressive Republican NEVER!!"

Exactly, if Romney gets the nod, I will wait until 2016 to vote.

The RNC never seems to learn.

40 posted on 10/09/2011 1:39:43 PM PDT by Souled_Out (Our hope is in the power of God working through the hearts of people.)
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To: DRey
Well, this will be a switch. These morons are trying to destroy one of the most conservative candidates we have and protect flip-floppy Romney. I have lost all respect for them.

I've never seen the likes of this and I'm still trying to analyze WHY.

41 posted on 10/09/2011 1:45:13 PM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: smoothsailing

LOL! That was great.


42 posted on 10/09/2011 1:46:28 PM PDT by DRey (Perry/Rubio 2012)
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To: Bringbackthedraft

You do know Cain has been the worst offender, don’t you? He’s supporting Romney over Perry and has supported Romney in the past.


43 posted on 10/09/2011 1:46:55 PM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: MNJohnnie
Perry has been governor of TX for TEN years. There's plenty to know about him. Is he perfect? Heck, no, but after watching the rest of these guys (and girl) try to destroy Perry while giving Romney a free pass, one wonders if any of them are worthy.

My niece sat in on a Perry "round table" in Orange City, IA yesterday. Here is one paragraph of what she had to say:

Perry seems to have a real target on his back. I wonder if they will regret trying to take him out. Unless they know something we don't. I seriously don't get the immigration thing. It is a huge mess but I don't see that anyone has all the answers. It seems Perry has handeled it the way most Texan's see as best. At least he knows the problems first hand. I just don't see this as the deciding issue,but they are using it to destroy him. I was surprised how much it dominated the disscussion yesterday. There were so many things we didn't have time to get to. It seems they have managed to keep him off his message."

Perry has had generally good reviews of his visit to Iowa Fri. evening and yesterday.

44 posted on 10/09/2011 1:52:16 PM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

All the candidates have played “nice-nice” about Romney’s religion but they didn’t give Perry the same courtesy about the smear of racism because of a rock he didn’t even own and had painted over.

They should have stood with Perry but they didn’t. They used it to beat him over the head for their own enrichment despite knowing it was a MSM hit-job.


45 posted on 10/09/2011 1:55:48 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Rick Perry is 100% correct on SS and had the guts to say it. If this country cannot accept that fact, we're going to go completely bankrupt.

Romney is the deceiver.

46 posted on 10/09/2011 1:56:21 PM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

It’s true. If Perry ever gets off the defensive footing and is allowed to put his message forward, they’re all toast.


47 posted on 10/09/2011 1:56:27 PM PDT by DRey (Perry/Rubio 2012)
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To: DRey; Conservativegreatgrandma
...If Perry ever gets off the defensive footing and is allowed to put his message forward, they’re all toast.

And the reason they've been working together against him.

48 posted on 10/09/2011 1:59:52 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Jim Robinson

Then why are Bachmann, Cain, and Paul protecting him? I don’t get it.


49 posted on 10/09/2011 1:59:52 PM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: DRey
They need to go after Romney for having the core principles of a common garden snail, he will do almost anything necessary to reach his goals.

If Romney is as wishy washy about his faith as about his political values he can't be much of a Mormon.

50 posted on 10/09/2011 2:00:43 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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