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A tough new Alabama law targets illegal immigrants and sends families fleeing
wapo ^ | October 10, 2011 (?) | Pamela Constable

Posted on 10/10/2011 5:39:48 AM PDT by upchuck

Foley, Ala. — Trailer by trailer, yard sale by yard sale, and pew by empty pew, a poor but tightknit immigrant community on Alabama’s breezy Gulf Coast is rapidly disintegrating.

This time it is not a tornado or hurricane uprooting families and scattering them to the winds. It is a new state law, largely upheld last week by a federal district judge, that seeks to drive illegal immigrants from the state by curtailing many of their rights, punishing anyone who knowingly employs, houses or assists them, and requiring schools and police to verify immigrants’ legal status.

Other states, including Arizona, Georgia and Colorado, have passed similar laws in the past several years in a growing trend by state legislatures to crack down on illegal immigration within their borders in the absence of comprehensive federal action. But Alabama’s new law is the toughest passed so far, and it is the only one to withstand federal lawsuits and other legal challenges, allowing it to take virtually full effect.

Across Alabama, news of the court ruling has swiftly spread panic and chaos among working-class areas where legal and illegal immigrant families from Mexico and Central America — as many as 150,000 people, by some estimates — live and work at jobs their bosses say local residents largely refuse to do.

In Foley, a sprawling seaside resort town where hundreds of Hispanic immigrants work in restaurants and seafood industries, many families last week were taking their children out of school, piling their furniture into trucks, offering baby clothes and bicycles on front lawns for sale and saying tearful goodbyes to neighbors and co-workers they might never see again.

“This is the saddest thing I have experienced in my 18 years as a priest,” said the Rev. Paul Zoghby,... "It is a human tragedy.”

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Politics/Elections; US: Alabama
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; heartless; illegalaliens; perry; rats; roaches
It is a new state law, largely upheld last week by a federal district judge, that seeks to drive illegal immigrants from the state by curtailing many of their rights

Unfortunately, Ms. Constable doesn't bother to list the rights infringed. I wonder what part of illegal she doesn't understand.

Rev. Zoghby, the real tragedy is that the federal government is so lax in enforcing existing laws that the states have to do it in self preservation. That's tragic.

You go Alabama! More, more!

1 posted on 10/10/2011 5:39:53 AM PDT by upchuck
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To: upchuck

The only thing that gets lefties’ attention more than a law that doesn’t work is a law that DOES work.


2 posted on 10/10/2011 5:41:16 AM PDT by relictele (Pax Quaeritur Bello)
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To: upchuck

Trust me, they aren’t going back to Mexico. They’re headed to neighboring states where there is no such law. Problem NOT solved.


3 posted on 10/10/2011 5:43:07 AM PDT by erkyl (We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office --Aesop (~550 BC))
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To: erkyl

I am worried about here in Mississippi now. We have enough illegals as it is.


4 posted on 10/10/2011 5:47:43 AM PDT by Sybeck1 (My opinion doesn't really matter until March 13th anyway.)
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To: upchuck

The real tragedy is that the Feds are not doing and enforcement. I just wish we would pass the same law here in Texas. But not much chance of that with Senor Perry in the Governor’s mansion.


5 posted on 10/10/2011 5:52:44 AM PDT by SailormanCGA72
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To: Sybeck1

Well as tragic as it may be for the good citizens of Mississippi, look on the bright side: It’s not as bad as California, YET!


6 posted on 10/10/2011 5:54:51 AM PDT by Ernie Kaputnik ((It's a mad, mad, mad world.))
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To: SailormanCGA72

If Perry gets in to the white house expect the same results.


7 posted on 10/10/2011 5:58:50 AM PDT by cableguymn
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To: upchuck

It should be pointed out that Alabama isn’t infringing on anybody’s rights, because non-citizens don’t have rights under the Constitution.


8 posted on 10/10/2011 5:59:53 AM PDT by Jonty30
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To: upchuck

As the S-3 of H&MS-12 - call sign Wiz - used to say, “Sayonara, Buckwheat!”

ROLL TIDE


9 posted on 10/10/2011 6:01:45 AM PDT by 2nd Bn, 11th Mar (The "p" in Democrat stands for patriotism.)
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To: upchuck

“”curtailing many of their rights””


I agree with you that it would be nice if WAPO would list the specific rights that are being curtailed rather than make an unsubstantiated allegation.

Of course, the reason WAPO does not list those specific rights is that none are being curtailed.


10 posted on 10/10/2011 6:06:10 AM PDT by Presbyterian Reporter
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To: upchuck
many families last week were taking their children out of school, piling their furniture into trucks, offering baby clothes and bicycles on front lawns for sale and saying tearful goodbyes to neighbors and co-workers they might never see again.

“This is the saddest thing I have experienced in my 18 years as a priest,” said the Rev. Paul Zoghby,... "It is a human tragedy.”

You know, they did the EXACT same thing when they left their home countries to (illegally) enter the US. Why was THAT not a tragedy?

11 posted on 10/10/2011 6:09:24 AM PDT by Onelifetogive (I tweet, too... @Onelifetogive)
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To: Onelifetogive

“many families last week were taking their children out of school, piling their furniture into trucks, offering baby clothes and bicycles on front lawns for sale and saying tearful goodbyes to neighbors and co-workers they might never see again. “

Watch somebody make a “Grapes Of Wrath” sequel, now.

:-\


12 posted on 10/10/2011 6:28:25 AM PDT by Salamander (Alice Cooper hit me with a stick.)
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To: upchuck

Instead of leaving, why do they not make applications to become LEGAL Citizens???


13 posted on 10/10/2011 6:30:21 AM PDT by Steven Tyler
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To: upchuck

This law works like one of those home pest foggers.

Rinse and repeat in all 50 states.


14 posted on 10/10/2011 6:31:34 AM PDT by NeverForgetBataan (To the German Commander -- ..........................NUTS !)
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To: upchuck
Trailer by trailer, yard sale by yard sale, and pew by empty pew, a poor but tightknit immigrant community on Alabama’s breezy Gulf Coast is rapidly disintegrating.

When a State sticks up for its rights, a "poor but tightknit community disintegrates". When the Feds do something with the same effect, it's called "Urban Renewal"...

15 posted on 10/10/2011 6:33:47 AM PDT by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: upchuck

Sweet home Alabama!


16 posted on 10/10/2011 6:40:44 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: erkyl

Yep. Washington State is infested with non-english speaking illegals from Mexico and points south. Go to any arraignment calendar in a criminal court and the room is full of them. Where is Homeland Security? Not rounding them up, thats for sure, even though since 2001 there are 20 times more agents here doing jack shit for their paycheck.


17 posted on 10/10/2011 6:43:53 AM PDT by Astronaut
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To: Sybeck1

Well ... you’re about to get more.


18 posted on 10/10/2011 6:46:47 AM PDT by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: NeverForgetBataan

Nah, let the “blue” states suffer the consequences of their ideology.


19 posted on 10/10/2011 6:49:22 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: SailormanCGA72

Perry would beat Obama in getting the welcome mat put out for them.

Have you seen this - “Immigrants fearing deportation make plans for kids”? They’re suddenly signing guardianship of their anchors to friends and coworkers. Someone is definitely organizing this.

http://news.yahoo.com/immigrants-fearing-deportation-plans-kids-131450031.html


20 posted on 10/10/2011 6:50:39 AM PDT by bgill (There, happy now?)
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To: upchuck
In Foley, a sprawling seaside resort town where hundreds of Hispanic immigrants work in restaurants and seafood industries,

Acc to wikipedia there's about 7600 people there and less than 5% are Hispanic/Latino, so we're talking about less than 400. However, the city's website says this number is about 2000 (and total pop is around 14000). At http://www.city-data.com/city/Foley-Alabama.html the number of Hispanic is 680, and all of 282 people are "foreign born." Unemployment, 8.4%. From city-data.com:

"Percentage of residents living in poverty in 2009: 26.5% (9.2% for White Non-Hispanic residents, 71.7% for Black residents, 22.7% for Hispanic or Latino residents, 36.1% for American Indian residents, 0.0% for other race residents, 80.3% for two or more races residents)"

Don't know why the cityoffoley.org has nearly twice the total population of the other two sources.

21 posted on 10/10/2011 6:51:45 AM PDT by Lady Lucky
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To: Lady Lucky
Don't know why the cityoffoley.org has nearly twice the total population of the other two sources.

Sets them up for a larger slice of State and Fed funding?

22 posted on 10/10/2011 6:54:30 AM PDT by airborne (Paratroopers! Good to the last drop!)
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To: Lady Lucky
"Percentage of residents living in poverty in 2009: 26.5% (9.2% for White Non-Hispanic residents, 71.7% for Black residents, 22.7% for Hispanic or Latino residents, 36.1% for American Indian residents, 0.0% for other race residents, 80.3% for two or more races residents)"

So if the illegals leave, job opportunities open up for the American citizens who live there and are unemployed?

Win - Win!!!

23 posted on 10/10/2011 6:56:28 AM PDT by airborne (Paratroopers! Good to the last drop!)
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To: erkyl

Ya, like Texas... pretty soon, Texans are going to start complaining about illegal immigrants taking jobs Texans won’t do... somehow that didn’t come out right... Pretty soon Texans are going to start complaining about illegal immigrants’ children getting benefits they used to get as illegal immigrants... No not that either... pretty soon Texas will be annexed by Mexico and gringos will have to apply for work visas to work and live in Texas... Bingo!!


24 posted on 10/10/2011 6:58:02 AM PDT by dps.inspect (the system is rigged...)
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To: upchuck
...live and work at jobs their bosses say local residents largely refuse to do.

Pay a decent wage and I'll bet those local residents would be happy to do the jobs.

25 posted on 10/10/2011 7:01:57 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (Obama is the least qualified guy in whatever room he walks into.)
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To: upchuck
“This is the saddest thing I have experienced in my 18 years as a priest,” said the Rev. Paul Zoghby,... “It is a human tragedy.”

I hope other states do the exact same thing as Alabama did and the problem would start solving itself.

26 posted on 10/10/2011 7:02:44 AM PDT by Recon Dad (Honkies for Herman......Crackers for Cain)
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To: upchuck

“This time it is not a tornado or hurricane uprooting families and scattering them to the winds. It is a new state law, largely upheld last week by a federal district judge, that seeks to drive illegal immigrants from the state by curtailing many of their rights, punishing anyone who knowingly employs, houses or assists them, and requiring schools and police to verify immigrants’ legal status.”

No bias here at all. It would be too much to expect her to view this as a successful law, reducing the burden on American taxpayers and already stressed state services by eliminating the need to support, feed and educate a large number of people who have no right to be here.


27 posted on 10/10/2011 7:04:21 AM PDT by Hacklehead (Had enough?)
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To: upchuck
“This is the saddest thing I have experienced in my 18 years as a priest,” said the Rev. Paul Zoghby,... "It is a human tragedy.”

It's not a tragedy Father, it's the 10th Amendment at work. Those families will be welcomed in other states. Let those states deal with things like drunk driving deaths, local unemployment, decaying schools, crime, and public health crises due to the spread of communicable diseases like tuberculosis.

28 posted on 10/10/2011 7:09:18 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (Obama is the least qualified guy in whatever room he walks into.)
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To: upchuck

“This is the saddest thing I have experienced in my 18 years as a priest”.

Really?!! This is the SADDEST? They aren’t dying, Father, they are simply moving to other states (like here in Maryland) or back to where they come from (Mexico). Sheesh!


29 posted on 10/10/2011 7:10:35 AM PDT by momtothree
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To: Sybeck1
I am worried about here in Mississippi now. We have enough illegals as it is.

Alabama's legislators paved the way. Now the good people of Mississippi can pass similar laws. Let them flee to all the blue states; they deserve it.

30 posted on 10/10/2011 7:11:09 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (Obama is the least qualified guy in whatever room he walks into.)
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To: COBOL2Java

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTfp60rMo_Y

This is my state senator. Hopefully he is on the ball.


31 posted on 10/10/2011 7:19:04 AM PDT by Sybeck1 (My opinion doesn't really matter until March 13th anyway.)
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To: Jonty30

” It should be pointed out that Alabama isn’t infringing on anybody’s rights, because non-citizens don’t have rights under the Constitution.”

What part of the word “illegal” don’t people understand ?
What part of “Un-documented worker” makes it permissible to drive a car , or work in a foreign land ?


32 posted on 10/10/2011 7:22:35 AM PDT by Tilted Irish Kilt ( (Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm. -- James Madison))
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To: COBOL2Java

“I am worried about here in Mississippi now. We have enough illegals as it is.
Alabama’s legislators paved the way. Now the good people of Mississippi can pass similar laws. Let them flee to all the blue states; they deserve it. “

Unfortunatley , they will relocate to states that are about one gas tank away.


33 posted on 10/10/2011 7:25:46 AM PDT by Tilted Irish Kilt ( (Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm. -- James Madison))
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To: upchuck
Gosh, is there any bias in this article? I don't know, let's have a look: "a poor but tightknit immigrant community on Alabama’s breezy Gulf Coast".....aww, just makes your heart bleed, reading that one sentence....

"seeks to drive illegal immigrants from the state by curtailing many of their rights".... hey jackass, they are illegal. They don't HAVE most of the rights of citizens.

"news of the court ruling has swiftly spread panic and chaos among working-class areas....".... Hey jackass, I know you want us to feel sorry for them, but I personally take great joy in the panic and chaos of illegals.

"many families last week were taking their children out of school, piling their furniture into trucks, offering baby clothes and bicycles on front lawns for sale and saying tearful goodbyes to neighbors and co-workers they might never see again."..... how heart-rending. NOT. Jesus, can you be ANY more biased?

"“This is the saddest thing I have experienced in my 18 years as a priest,” said the Rev. Paul Zoghby,... "It is a human tragedy.”"... why no sooner did I ask if you could be any more biased, and you managed to trump yourself. Keep looking for ONLY quotes that support your position, jackass.

THIS IS NOT A NEWS ARTICLE. IT IS AN OPINION PIECE.

34 posted on 10/10/2011 7:38:03 AM PDT by Lazamataz ("If Herman Cain does become President, his Vice President will be known as Co-Cain." -- Laz, 2011)
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt
Unfortunatley , they will relocate to states that are about one gas tank away.

That should, state-by-state, eventually get them to some welcoming "sanctuary city" where the DemocRATs can have them. Of course, unless some alderman's child gets killed by a drunk driver, the city will continue to suffer under the weight of the illegals.

35 posted on 10/10/2011 7:43:30 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (Obama is the least qualified guy in whatever room he walks into.)
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To: Sybeck1
I am worried about here in Mississippi now. We have enough illegals as it is.

Ditto for Tennessee.

36 posted on 10/10/2011 7:52:06 AM PDT by tnlibertarian (Things are so bad now, Kenyans are saying Obama was born in the USA.)
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To: erkyl

I predict that more states will copy Alabama’s law & that WILL send the illegals back across the southern border they invaded. It can’t happen soon enough.

Another thread discussed how a chicken processing plant in Alabama lost a big bunch of workers that were illegals & the applications & lines to take over the jobs was huge & contained both white & black applicants.


37 posted on 10/10/2011 7:52:28 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: cableguymn
Yes, more illegals, becoming instant none illegals.
38 posted on 10/10/2011 8:08:48 AM PDT by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by Perry and his fellow democrats.)
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Ping!


39 posted on 10/10/2011 8:40:52 AM PDT by HiJinx ("Family values don’t stop at the Gulf of Aden." Flag_This)
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To: upchuck

Why don’t these people understand, it’s not the immigrant that people don’t like, it’s the people who come here illegally? And then feed off our system. I just don’t get it. It’s against the law! Thank you ALABAMA! my home state, I’m proud of you!! ROLL TIDE!!


40 posted on 10/10/2011 9:10:11 AM PDT by anbonjo
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To: relictele

“In Foley, a sprawling seaside resort town where hundreds of Hispanic immigrants work in restaurants and seafood industries, many families last week were taking their children out of school, piling their furniture into trucks, offering baby clothes and bicycles on front lawns for sale and saying tearful goodbyes to neighbors and co-workers they might never see again.”

Buh bye. Now unemployed Americans can take those jobs.


41 posted on 10/10/2011 9:31:19 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Maybe it’s coincidence but I never read words like tearful, frightful, devastating, etc. when it comes time to discuss the policies of the IRS, FDA, EPA, ATF, et al and their effect on American citizens.


42 posted on 10/10/2011 10:27:56 AM PDT by relictele (Pax Quaeritur Bello)
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To: Astronaut
"Washington State is infested with non-english speaking illegals from Mexico and points south."

Seems just a short five years ago the Home Depot and Lowe's stores outside of Seattle had no illegals waiting for work. Nowadays, rarely is there less than 12-15 of them standing around. You think there aren't American construction workers out of work that would be willing to do side jobs? These illegals ARE taking the jobs Americans want!

43 posted on 10/10/2011 11:17:43 AM PDT by SW6906 (6 things you can't have too much of: sex, money, firewood, horsepower, guns and ammunition.)
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To: relictele

Good point.

I would add to that thought that if you are illegally hiding out in a foreign country its only natural that you would fee somewhat fearful at the thought of getting caught and being deported. Thats why its called illegal immigration.


44 posted on 10/10/2011 11:26:52 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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46 posted on 10/10/2011 4:39:56 PM PDT by upchuck (Rerun: Think you know hardship? Wait till the dollar is no longer the world's reserve currency.)
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To: upchuck
“This is the saddest thing I have experienced in my 18 years as a priest,” said the Rev. Paul Zoghby,... "It is a human tragedy.”

Lucky you,Reverend, you never had to officiate at the funeral of a young child. That's a real human tragedy.

Not this.

47 posted on 10/10/2011 4:51:43 PM PDT by exit82 (Democrats are the enemies of freedom.)
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To: ridesthemiles
Another thread discussed how a chicken processing plant in Alabama lost a big bunch of workers that were illegals & the applications & lines to take over the jobs was huge & contained both white & black applicants.

I get so sick of politicians, employers and liberals saying illegals do the jobs Americans "won't" do. That is such crap. It's really the employers don't want to pay an American a decent wage for the job because they can get an illegal to do it for $3 an hour. Hire a brown, white or black person, I don't care, but pay them minimum wage and make sure they're legal. I blame the employers who keep using that tired old excuse "American's won't do it." I call BS. Plenty of Americans have been out of work long enough that they WILL do it.

48 posted on 10/10/2011 4:55:11 PM PDT by erkyl (We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office --Aesop (~550 BC))
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To: upchuck
...many families last week were taking their children out of school, piling their furniture into trucks, offering baby clothes and bicycles on front lawns for sale and saying tearful goodbyes to neighbors and co-workers they might never see again.

Oh, boo hoo. Y'know, another Freeper made a real good point. Military families are always having to pick up and move, too. The kids have to leave their friends and their schools, and it's often difficult for them. Nobody says it's horrendous and unfair for American military families to have to move! But let illegals and their kids be inconvenienced, and we're all supposed to sob, wail and cry buckets of tears.

49 posted on 10/10/2011 6:37:19 PM PDT by Nea Wood (Silly liberal . . . paychecks are for workers!)
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt; upchuck; Jonty30
"non-citizens don’t have rights under the Constitution.”

They certainly don't have all the rights of citizens (see the 14th Amendment speaking of the "privileges and immunities OF CITIZENS"), but it is not correct to say they have NO rights.

For example, if charged with murder, they would have a right to trial by Jury. The government could not simply seize all cash from an alien, legal or illegal, for no reaon at all, with no "due process of law." An alien asked to testify in court could not be drawn and quartered if he didn't testify, based on a claim that the 5th and 8th amendments didn't apply.

Many provisions say "no person" shall have certain things done to them -- not "no citizen." Other provisions apply to "the people" -- like the right to bear arms -- you can argue whether that includes aliens or not. Other provisions are simply stated as obligations on the government -- "debts shall be valid" -- that apply to whoever holds the debts -- in fact that provision was specifically put in to insure that British debt holders after the revolution would get paid.

50 posted on 10/12/2011 2:31:54 PM PDT by BohDaThone
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