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Cain tops MLC straw poll with more than 50% (The Hermanator's Surge Continues!)
Hotair ^ | 10/10/2011 | Jazz Shaw

Posted on 10/10/2011 8:10:08 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Let's just get it out of the way and all recite the mantra at once, shall we?

Straw polls don't mean anything.

But for those who still like to follow them, we had yet another this weekend in Minnesota at the Midwestern Leadership Conference. And once again Herman Cain mopped up the competition, this time registering the largest margin of victory yet, bringing home more than half the votes.

Former Godfather’s Pizza CEO Herman Cain rounded out a very good week with a straw poll victory at the Midwest Leadership Conference in Minnesota on Saturday.

Cain pulled off a decisive win, garnering 52.6 percent of the vote and beating Minnesota Rep. Michele Bachmann in her own backyard. Bachmann took a distant second place with 12.2 percent of the vote, followed by former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney with 11.1 percent. Texas Rep. Ron Paul attracted 10.7 percent of the vote while Texas Gov. Rick Perry got just 4 percent.

Cain’s numbers are stunning to be sure, but what is probably the saddest footnote of this event is the fact that Bachmann barely broke out of single digits in her own home state. That campaign may not be officially dead, but they’ve got a priest on standby with a copy of the last rites.

Also, following the Values Voter Summit, this is two back-to-back outings where Rick Perry – who was briefly the newly crowned king of the pack – sank below the background noise level. (Though sitting on $15M in donations can salve a lot of wounds.) Mitt didn’t do much better than that, though he at least managed to edge out Ron Paul for once.

There will be singing and dancing in Cain-Town this week to be sure. No matter what you think of straw polls, headlines which include words like “winning” are always good news for a candidate seeking to expand their name recognition and drive donors to pry open their wallets. Cain has been racking up one impressive showing after another lately, and talk about Herminator Momentum is getting harder and harder to treat like a joke.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: hermancain; strawpoll

1 posted on 10/10/2011 8:10:12 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

PTL!


2 posted on 10/10/2011 8:12:38 AM PDT by ken21 (ruling class dem + rino progressives -- destroying america for 150 years.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Bill O’Really not gonna be happy about this.


3 posted on 10/10/2011 8:14:18 AM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: SeekAndFind

The libs are falling all over themselves with convoluted theories that attempt to explain the contradiction of the “racist” Tea Party’s support of a Black candidate.


4 posted on 10/10/2011 8:14:23 AM PDT by TruthShallSetYouFree ("Nanny Care State" is not a Division 3 football powerhouse.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Nice work, Citizen Cain!


5 posted on 10/10/2011 8:14:37 AM PDT by agere_contra ("Debt is the foundation of destruction" : Sarah Palin.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Herman’s campaign is getting traction and he is building the ‘big mo’ that he will need for the nomination and the general.


6 posted on 10/10/2011 8:17:25 AM PDT by RoosterRedux
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To: RoosterRedux

He’s also going to need money-—lots of it!


7 posted on 10/10/2011 8:20:08 AM PDT by basil (It's time to rid the country of "gun free zones" aka "Killing Fields")
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To: ken21

The longer HC can remain relevant the better it will be. He may or may not succeed at the nomination but he is serving an important role.

In any case he will be a strong conservative PRO AMERICAN voice. PLUS...he makes liberals HEADS EXPLODE. I love that sound!

What a great and pleasant surprise he is!


8 posted on 10/10/2011 8:21:31 AM PDT by Awgie (truth is always stranger than fiction)
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To: RoosterRedux

What you said. Even when he was low in the polls, Cain never looked like an underdog. He embodies a buoyant, smiling, unshakable optimism that is contagious. He goes toe to toe w these noxious liberals and never looks even irked, much less angry. He counters their spew and gets his positive message out. Can you even begin to imagine what he’d be like in a debate w Obama? Obama would be white and shaking by the end, and stuttering more than a sodden Ted Kennedy on a bad day.


9 posted on 10/10/2011 8:23:24 AM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: agere_contra
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10 posted on 10/10/2011 8:24:55 AM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: SeekAndFind
I don't see how anyone could support either Romney or Perry over Cain, and it's those three who are supposedly the only ones with a chance to win at this point. Supporting Perry is supporting illegal immigration.
11 posted on 10/10/2011 8:28:32 AM PDT by ThermoNuclearWarrior (Herman Cain 2012 !!!)
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To: SeekAndFind
Straw polls have always been a joke. In the past, if the presidential election were decided by a straw poll, 643 voters would show up and Ron Paul would win in a walk.

Straw polls are still largely meaningless on their own terms, but they might be having a broader effect in this election by doing what Ron Paul has been trying to do but failing to do: influencing a significant number of primary voters to seriously consider Herman Cain well in advance of the actual primaries. We'll see.

12 posted on 10/10/2011 8:29:25 AM PDT by behzinlea
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To: behzinlea

I wouldn’t say they are completely meaningless. They are an excellent test of organization and enthusiasm which is no small matter.


13 posted on 10/10/2011 8:32:11 AM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: behzinlea

I wouldn’t say they are completely meaningless. They are an excellent test of organization and enthusiasm which is no small matter.


14 posted on 10/10/2011 8:32:21 AM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: ThermoNuclearWarrior
"....Supporting Perry is supporting illegal immigration......"

Just curious....where is Cain on the whole border/immigration/security issue? Has he said much?

15 posted on 10/10/2011 8:32:44 AM PDT by Victor (If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert." -David Ben-Gurion, the first Prime Minister)
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To: SeekAndFind

Amazing what happens when people base their votes based on their principals and ideas rather then media polling and campaign money.

This should of been a slam dunk for Romney. It is a poll taken in a liberal/moderate part of the USA. They should of been right at home with Romney’s Liberal political agenda.

That Romney did so poorly is real good news for the Tea Party/Conservative movement


16 posted on 10/10/2011 8:34:07 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: Awgie

He will be the nominee..God willing and I am sure He is!


17 posted on 10/10/2011 8:35:14 AM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter")
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To: Victor

Yep, Cain has said a whole lot more on all the issues then Perry, or any of other the Establishment candidates, have said.

http://www.issues2000.org/Herman_Cain.htm


18 posted on 10/10/2011 8:35:51 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: MNJohnnie

IMAGINE! We are finally together on this one. On this issue. Wow!


19 posted on 10/10/2011 8:39:54 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (To all good FRiends who supported Gov. Palin. I never badmouthed her. Please now join us w/ MR. CAIN)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

Awesome. I’m so happy and it’s been a long time since I said that. Go Cain!


20 posted on 10/10/2011 8:43:00 AM PDT by bluerose (Mmmm Mmmm Mmmm! Rush Hudson Limbaugh)
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To: SeekAndFind

Some talk of flavor of the month, but there is a difference between Perry and Cain. Perry’s rise was before he was seen in debates and Cain’s was after he was seen in debates.


21 posted on 10/10/2011 8:44:57 AM PDT by Anima Mundi (If you build it, they will come and take it away from you..)
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To: MNJohnnie; Windflier

That’s a keeper!

Ping Windflier
http://www.issues2000.org/Herman_Cain.htm


22 posted on 10/10/2011 8:48:06 AM PDT by sodpoodle (God is ignoring me - because He is watching you.)
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To: Anima Mundi

I wonder if Romney will go after Cain at tomorrow’s night debate like he went after Perry? I doubt it as they know Cain is quick on his feet.


23 posted on 10/10/2011 8:57:01 AM PDT by 11th Commandment (http://www.thirty-thousand.org/)
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To: Victor

He got in trouble for moats and alligators comments earlier in the campaign. Yes, he has made statements.


24 posted on 10/10/2011 8:57:46 AM PDT by chilepup
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To: 11th Commandment

Romney won’t bother with Cain. In politics, you don’t ever shoot down. It will be another Romney/Perry slugfest, with Perry on offense and the other candidates watching.


25 posted on 10/10/2011 8:58:50 AM PDT by magritte
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To: Victor

Cain’s position on illegal immigration is the same as Perry and Romney. Secure the border. Enforce current law.


26 posted on 10/10/2011 9:00:48 AM PDT by magritte
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To: ThermoNuclearWarrior

Exactly! And supporting Romney is taking Obama Care issue off of the table since Obama Care was modeled after Romney Care.

Romney = McCain 2.... So if you do not want Obama elected another 4 years, then do not vote for Romney.

Perry can’t debate for a long time and Romney takes the Health care issue off the table.

Sorry but it’s Cain all the way.

ONE more thing.... Obama can’t play the race card with Herman Cain.


27 posted on 10/10/2011 9:03:33 AM PDT by Sprite518
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To: SeekAndFind

I’m likely to vote for Cain in the primary, and I may even vote for him in the general, whether or not he gets the nomination (I’ll write him in rather than voting for Romney), but I’m not convinced he’ll be a great president. He has my support because he is a good man with normal values, and I believe he won’t be a terrible president, which is a HUGE step up from the drug-addled thug currently occupying our White House. Perhaps we could do better, but “better” isn’t running. I’ll take the best that we can get.


28 posted on 10/10/2011 9:03:43 AM PDT by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: Captain Kirk
I think it's more spontaneous bandwagon enthusiasm than organization at this point. One of my hesitances about Cain is that there still isn't much organization to his campaign. And he lacks money. Those are fixable, but continuing to run his campaign as a book tour isn't going to get it done. He needs to get serious, really serious, fast.

It's even conceivable that raw enthusiasm among core conservatives could carry him to the nomination. But then he'd have to cobble together a general election campaign team and strategy (and sufficient money to keep Obama's billion dollars from overwhelming his message) in almost no time. That's like trying to put together a viable Superbowl contender without the benefit of the team having ever played together until a month before kickoff.

I love his message, his personality, and his focus. I am deeply concerned that he just doesn't seem to understand what it will take to move his campaign to the next level. Many of his supporters don't have a clue either if they think he can win without a top tier team, several hundred million dollars in the bank, and carefully constructed and executed strategy.

Winning a big election on a wing and a prayer only happens in dime store novels and movies.

29 posted on 10/10/2011 9:04:19 AM PDT by behzinlea
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To: Victor
I don't know if he's introduced a plan for how he would handle illegal immigration, but there hasn't been anyone this close to the White House who talks against it like he does ever since I have been following politics.
He said if Perry won the nomination he wouldn't endorse him and used the instate tuition for illegals as one reason.

He also had this to say in a Newsmax interview about the Arizona law, On the issue of illegal immigration, Cain told Newsmax he wants to empower the states so they can enforce their own policies.“I wouldn't’t have sued Arizona,” he said, referring to the backlash against the law known as SB 1070. “I would have sent them a medal.”

Border control remains the responsibility of the federal government, but in the absence of proper enforcement, the matter should be turned over to the states, Cain told Newsmax.

“We have got to close off our borders because if we do not, we are not going to be able to deal with the other problems of enforcing the laws that are here,” he said. “One of my proposals is to empower the states to deal with the illegals that are already here.”

It's ridiculous, but that's something none of the most recent Presidential candidates on either side would have said. Cain's the first serious candidate who looks like he might win this thing that has spoken out on an issue like this that is in line with what the majority of Americans believe. The link below is the Newsmax article.

http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/HermanCain-Empower-States-Protect/2011/09/24/id/412152

Here's a link to Herman Cain's website. http://www.hermancain.com/

30 posted on 10/10/2011 9:05:55 AM PDT by ThermoNuclearWarrior (Herman Cain 2012 !!!)
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To: Victor; magritte

I have copied and pasted from Herman Cain’s website what he says on immigration. It’s not the same as Perry, who called us heartless and doubled down on that statement, or Romney who we all know will not do squat.

Cain on illegal Immigration (Herman Cain Website)

1) Secure the border with more boots on the ground. (Sep 2011)

2) We have a path to citizenship: it’s called legal immigration. (Aug 2011)

3) Not right to sue Arizona for trying to protect themselves. (Jun 2011)

4) Secure our borders; enforce our laws. (May 2011)

5) Where’s the fence? Not in the Immigration Bill!. (Jun 2007)


31 posted on 10/10/2011 9:11:00 AM PDT by Sprite518
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To: SeekAndFind

Romney is ahead of Cain by 18% in New Hampshire. So much for straw polls.


32 posted on 10/10/2011 9:15:05 AM PDT by muleskinner
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To: muleskinner

A lot can happen in a matter of weeks, much less mos. Cain is surging. Romney may well win NH anyway—and it may be the high watermark of his second failed bid.


33 posted on 10/10/2011 9:19:13 AM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: magritte

I don’t think Herman Cain would ever give instate tuition to criminals since he has said that’s one of the main reasons he would never support Perry. Perry has already lost this thing, but if he somehow won I won’t be voting for him. No more pro-illegal immigration politicians will get my money or support. I’m heartless in the eyes of Perry because I want to end something that’s literally destroying my country. That disgusting piece of trash needs to drop out of the race and go back to Texas and pander to criminals instead of representing the legal citizens of Texas.


34 posted on 10/10/2011 9:20:23 AM PDT by ThermoNuclearWarrior (Herman Cain 2012 !!!)
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To: chris37

bloviator thinketh too much of himself.


35 posted on 10/10/2011 9:21:09 AM PDT by cubreporter (Rush Limbaugh... where would our country be without this brilliant man?)
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To: SeekAndFind

“...but they’ve got a priest on standby with a copy of the last rites.”

And the priest’s name is Ed Rollins.


36 posted on 10/10/2011 9:35:33 AM PDT by Gator113 (~ Just livin' life~)
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To: behzinlea
I hope Sarah Palin endorses him. I think it's time for some of the Conservative Republicans running for the nomination who are losing badly to drop out and endorse Cain. I think most people knew the other candidates a lot better than they did Cain which is why he shot up in the polls when people heard more about him and his political views. I think the others are known well enough that they aren't going to get a significant spike in the polls because more people knew about them and their positions long before the primaries compared to Cain.

I think the Conservative Republicans who are pretty much out of the race to formally drop out and endorse and support Herman Cain. We need everyone getting behind him as soon as possible so he can start bringing in more money and getting help with his campaign.

37 posted on 10/10/2011 9:43:02 AM PDT by ThermoNuclearWarrior (Herman Cain 2012 !!!)
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To: ThermoNuclearWarrior

What a bitter, sad diatribe that was. I won’t engage you anymore. I feel sorry for you.


39 posted on 10/10/2011 9:58:29 AM PDT by magritte
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To: magritte

LOL!

Surely you can’t be a Perry supporter. You sound so heartless too.


40 posted on 10/10/2011 10:45:27 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Overproduction, one of the top five worries of the American Farmer each and every year..)
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To: Balding_Eagle

Lol ... interesting tagline ... are u a farmer ??


41 posted on 10/10/2011 10:49:06 AM PDT by magritte
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To: magritte

Former farmer. I use that tagline often, as I think most Freepers are unaware of the huge glut of food and feedstuffs we have.

The ethanol threads are often full of hadwringing of ‘we must not burn our food’.

We have so much surplus food that there really isn’t a good reason not to burn it, unless we want to go back to the days of ‘paying farmers not to plant’.


42 posted on 10/10/2011 11:25:44 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Overproduction, one of the top five worries of the American Farmer each and every year..)
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To: sodpoodle

Thanks for the link to Cain’s positions on the issues. I read it over, and find little to disagree with, although it’s only a bullet point list. Still vetting...


43 posted on 10/10/2011 12:31:55 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: magritte
I would have never said that about Rick Perry if he had not called me heartless for my support of the law. He isn't going to win the nomination no matter what and it's his fault for calling a large portion of his former supporters “heartless”. If that's what he believes then he is out of touch with the majority of Americans and thinks most are heartless.

That's why he basically went from front runner to loser who will only continue to go down in the polls. He can't save himself this time. I give him credit for saying what he actually believes instead of lying about it like most politicians would have. He would probably still be in the race if he hadn't shown that he believes in something that is literally destroying our once great nation and helping turn it into the hell hole known as Mexico.

Herman Cain is more Conservative on ever issue when compared with Romney or Perry, and I just don't understand how you could pick someone other than Cain out of those three if you're an actual Conservative. The vast majority of Americans want illegal immigration stopped; not for them to be given benefits and incentives to continue their nation killing invasion. Illegal immigrants are responsible for more deaths than Islamic terrorism and WILL destroy this nation if not taken serious.

I would never support Rick Perry or anyone else who doesn't take illegal immigration serious. I already did that with the Bush and McCain. When was the last time we actually had a President who seriously wanted to stop illegal immigration and enforce our own laws? I'm not going to ever again vote for the guy who will destroy the nation slower over the guy who will destroy it faster. I will only vote for those who take the right position on the huge issues facing our nation. Many will say it's ignorant to make that kind of decision based on one issue, and it is on some minor issues, but not on an issue that is going to destroy our nation as we know it, and is hardly ever talked about seriously by those with the power to solve the crisis.

I was saddened that I would more than likely have to sit this election out when victory was almost certain for our candidate because the front runners had liberal past and were still talking like liberals on certain issues(Perry sounded like a liberal such as Al Gore with his accusation of people like me who believe in the law, and not ignorant policy that benefits criminals who don't belong in our country as heartless). Then Herman Cain suddenly surged in the polls and is now in a position to take the nomination and I don't know how any real Conservative can take the candidates history and views on the most important issues facing our nation and not choose Cain.

I knew Perry was going to run for President when he started talking about succeeding from the Union and asking the Federal government for troops to put on the border. It was obvious he was trying to change his image at that point. And if he's believes so highly in States rights then why in the hell didn't he use his power to deploy the Texas National Guard to the border instead of asking the liberal President who's response was already known? When Perry drops low enough in the polls to give up trying to win this futile race I will give him some respect if he endorses Herman Cain, but you can't pretend that people don't have the right to be upset with him for calling them “heartless”.

Hopefully Sarah Palin endorses Cain. I believe she will endorse him and I think the other Conservative candidates who eventually drop out will put their support behind him as well considering it's not a hard call when looking at the top three. Most of those supporting candidates other than the current top three will switch to Herman Cain if their candidate doesn't start to make progress in my opinion as well.

http://www.hermancain.com/

44 posted on 10/10/2011 7:21:02 PM PDT by ThermoNuclearWarrior ( Herman Cain 2012 !!! - www.HermanCain.com)
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