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Do Cain's opponents believe that he's a legit threat?
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution ^ | 10/11/11 | Jay Bookman

Posted on 10/11/2011 10:15:03 AM PDT by DRey

One of the things to watch for in tonight’s GOP debate is how Herman Cain is treated by his fellow candidates. Is he perceived as a threat? Do they take his chances seriously?

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Based on history, that kind of performance ought to make Cain a target in the debate, because that’s what happens to top-tier candidates. When Rick Perry entered the race and seemed a real threat, Romney wasted no time attacking him, with Michele Bachmann gleefully joining in. Perry hasn’t been the same since.

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So if Romney, Perry and Bachmann do perceive Cain as a legitimate threat to win the nomination, they’ll begin to question him and his policies directly. Call it a sign of respect. Maybe they’ll ask him why, in 2008, he strongly backed the TARP bailout and treated opponents with such condescension, attacking them as “free market purists (who) want you to believe that this is the end of capitalism as we know it.” Maybe they’ll press him on why he dismissed an audit of the Federal Reserve, saying those who thought an audit necessary just didn’t know enough about the Fed. (They also ought to challenge him on the fact that his “9-9-9 plan would significantly raise taxes on the poor and middle class, but this being a Republican debate, that probably won’t happen.)

On the other hand, if they continue to treat Cain with kid gloves, preferring to direct their fire elsewhere, that will say a lot as well.

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The only person that might attack Cain will be Perry. Perry knows a vote for Cain is a vote for Romney. Romney will continue to smile and coo at Cain on the stage. Cain is Romney's best asset.
1 posted on 10/11/2011 10:15:07 AM PDT by DRey
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To: DRey

Wrong!!!!!!!!!!

Chris Christie is being pulled out of storage to endorse Mitt Romney.


2 posted on 10/11/2011 10:17:31 AM PDT by sodpoodle (God is ignoring me - because He is watching you)
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To: DRey
The only person that might attack Cain will be Perry. Perry knows a vote for Cain is a vote for Romney. Romney will continue to smile and coo at Cain on the stage. Cain is Romney's best asset.

Considering how everyone turned on Perry when he as flying high I expect the same will happen to Cain. Bachmann, Santorum, Huntsman, and Perry all have to climb over Cain to get to Romney. Ron Paul will tear into him on principle. As for Gingrich, who knows what he will do.

3 posted on 10/11/2011 10:18:00 AM PDT by SoJoCo
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To: DRey

They must. They just got Christie to endorse Romney!

Methinks the Northeast Rino contingent is skeeered. The money machine is not going to pick our candidate this time.


4 posted on 10/11/2011 10:18:54 AM PDT by SueRae (I can see November 2012 from my HOUSE!!!!!!!!)
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To: DRey

Heck, I’d LOVE to hear Cain answer those questions. He’s my guy so far, and I firmly believe in letting the chips fall where they may. If they ask him, he may be able to articulate exactly why he took the stand he did, removing all doubt to the listener, regarding whether or not they should support him.

Regarding the 999, I generally support it and understood right up front that it was a tax increase especially to the poor. I have no problem with that. The flatter the tax, the better.


5 posted on 10/11/2011 10:20:28 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: SoJoCo

Romney said yesterday New Hampshire should vote for him or Cain. He knows Cain is no threat (no funding or infrastructure to run a presidential campaign) and only pulls support from real conservative contenders. No one is going to attack Cain. His poll numbers aren’t going to hold.


6 posted on 10/11/2011 10:20:32 AM PDT by DRey (Perry/Rubio 2012)
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To: DRey

Do Cain’s opponents believe that he’s a legit threat?
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution


Well with as many articles as you continue to post here from leftist sources, I would say yes.


7 posted on 10/11/2011 10:21:09 AM PDT by Grunthor (Heartless Bigot for Cain.)
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To: SoJoCo

—Bachmann, Santorum, Huntsman...—

Why are they even in this debate?


8 posted on 10/11/2011 10:21:23 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: DRey

“Perry knows a vote for Cain is a vote for Romney.”

Then Perry is a bigger idiot than he sounded like at the last debate.


9 posted on 10/11/2011 10:22:25 AM PDT by Grunthor (Heartless Bigot for Cain.)
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To: DRey
"Perry knows a vote for Cain is a vote for Romney."

Two weeks ago he might have thought that....this week, Cain has surged in front of Romney while Perry has imploded. Romney would be best off hammering Cain so that some of his votes would dilute the rest.

My prediction is that Newt and Bachman will ultimately throw their support behind Cain.

10 posted on 10/11/2011 10:22:29 AM PDT by AdamBomb
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To: DRey
Herman Cain

born December 13, 1945 in Memphis, TN (Meets the Jus Soli Requirement)

Parents were
Luther Cain Jr., born March 16, 1925 in TN, died March 29, 1982 in Atlanta, GA
Lenora Davis, born July 27, 1925 in GA, died August 20, 2005 in Atlanta, GA

Both parents were US Citizens at the time of his birth (Meets the Jus Sanguinis Requirement)

Herman Cain is a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN

”Herman

Barry Soetoro aka Barack Hussein Obama ISN'T!

11 posted on 10/11/2011 10:23:15 AM PDT by ASA Vet (Natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. De Vattel)
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To: sodpoodle

Storage? Does he sit on an oversized closet shelf in Trenton?


12 posted on 10/11/2011 10:23:19 AM PDT by RockinRight (If everyone wants to ride in the wagon, then who is pulling it?)
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To: SoJoCo

Considering how everyone turned on Perry when he as flying high I expect the same will happen to Cain.


I dunno, Cain doesn’t seem the type to store both of his feet in his mouth only removing them to visciously attack the very people from whom he needs votes and money.


13 posted on 10/11/2011 10:24:02 AM PDT by Grunthor (Heartless Bigot for Cain.)
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To: DRey

Cain has already answered these questions in other interviews, although if they ask, voters will know more about him and the media will have less of a chance to take him down on those issues.


14 posted on 10/11/2011 10:24:17 AM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: AdamBomb
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15 posted on 10/11/2011 10:24:17 AM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: AdamBomb

Your graph only proves my point.


16 posted on 10/11/2011 10:24:29 AM PDT by DRey (Perry/Rubio 2012)
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To: DRey

You’re losing it, DRey.


17 posted on 10/11/2011 10:26:30 AM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: FatherofFive

rofl


18 posted on 10/11/2011 10:26:52 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (So much stress was put on Bush's Fault that it finally let go, magnitude 6)
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To: DRey

If other GOP candidates attack Herman Cain tonight, it will reflect badly on them, not on Mr. Cain, who would conduct himself as the strong gentleman he is!


19 posted on 10/11/2011 10:27:21 AM PDT by Paperdoll (I like Herman Cain)
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To: DRey

IF perry attacks Cain, perry is toast.


20 posted on 10/11/2011 10:28:05 AM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: RockinRight

LOL!

Ok - using Chris Christie as proxy moxie.


21 posted on 10/11/2011 10:28:40 AM PDT by sodpoodle (God is ignoring me - because He is watching you)
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To: DRey
"Your graph only proves my point."

Actually the graph says that a vote for Perry is a vote for Romney. Perry, with his rapidly declining support, should give any that is remaining to Cain. That would take Romney out and ensure Cain a victory.
22 posted on 10/11/2011 10:29:23 AM PDT by AdamBomb
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To: MestaMachine
"IF perry attacks Cain, perry is toast."

he already is toast, texas toast.
23 posted on 10/11/2011 10:31:08 AM PDT by AdamBomb
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To: MestaMachine

Yeah, yeah. “Perry is toast.” “Perry is toast.” Keep saying that. Maybe one day it will come true.


24 posted on 10/11/2011 10:31:59 AM PDT by DRey (Perry/Rubio 2012)
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To: AdamBomb

I take it you are not an analyst.


25 posted on 10/11/2011 10:32:58 AM PDT by DRey (Perry/Rubio 2012)
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To: DRey
Perry knows a vote for Cain is a vote for Romney.

Actually, a vote for Perry – who is dead candidate walking – is a vote for Romney.

26 posted on 10/11/2011 10:42:23 AM PDT by M. Thatcher
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To: DRey
Yeah, yeah. “Perry is toast.” “Perry is toast.” Keep saying that. Maybe one day it will come true.

It already came true. And it is Perry who toastified himself.

27 posted on 10/11/2011 10:45:02 AM PDT by M. Thatcher
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To: M. Thatcher

You have not been following the threads, have you? Romney said last night people should vote for him or Cain, either one. Romney and Cain are in this together.


28 posted on 10/11/2011 10:45:33 AM PDT by DRey (Perry/Rubio 2012)
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To: DRey

No, they don’t think Cain is a threat.

IMHO, both Perry and Romney believe they can beat Cain head-to-head in a primary, so you’ll see them trying to knock each other out. That would account for Romney’s attacks on Perry and vote for me or Cain speech (an attempt to draw voters off Perry and onto Cain—for now), and Perry’s new attack ad that goes after Romney on RomneyCare.

Conventional wisdom would say they’re both right. Both Perry and Romney should be able to overwhelm Cain with money in any head-to-head primary race.


29 posted on 10/11/2011 10:45:58 AM PDT by Brookhaven (999 Tax Calculator: http://goo.gl/AHsjH)
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To: Grunthor

There are just no voters left who don’t see the tag team of Romney and Cain, and there new found mutual admiration society, formed publicaly to issue the final blow to kill off the only threat left to Romney, Rick Perry. Wake up and smell the coffee. What you seem to think you see is chess. Cain is not ever going to be president, nor win the nomination, but is smart enough to recognize he has a chance to be VP to Romney. Bank that. Do you not find it even slightly curious that Cain would buddy up with a socialist to carpet bomb the only guy with the goods? Come on, rookie. Watch Romney drop Cain like a branding iron after the nomination. Yes, Rick has to take it to Romney and the whole line up tonight and through out the month, because it’s all going down this month.


30 posted on 10/11/2011 10:47:13 AM PDT by RitaOK (TEXAS. It's EXHIBIT A for Rick, who needs to pound the fiction flackers back into the Stone Age.)
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To: DRey
The only person that might attack Cain will be Perry. Perry knows a vote for Cain is a vote for Romney

LOL. A vote for Cain is a vote Perry will not get, and Perry desperately needs votes as his numbers nosedive in poll after poll. The more people see of Perry, the less support he has. The more people see of Cain, the more support he has. Perry has no way of controlling this.

31 posted on 10/11/2011 10:49:34 AM PDT by Prokopton
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To: SoJoCo

Santorum has already started his attack on Cain, but I’m not sure it will be effective. “I have a 0-0-0 plan” comes across as cheap satire. I’m not sure it was that effective for him.


32 posted on 10/11/2011 10:50:30 AM PDT by Brookhaven (999 Tax Calculator: http://goo.gl/AHsjH)
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To: DRey
Rush had it right this morning, which is that Romney wants Cain for the final two fighting for nomination, and Romney thinks he can overwhelm Cain with the money (and followed by organization). That perfectly explains why Romney is not attacking Cain at all.
33 posted on 10/11/2011 10:51:03 AM PDT by federal__reserve (November 2012 will decide whether we fall into an abyss or walk up the shiny city on the hill.)
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To: RitaOK

“There are just no voters left who don’t see the tag team of Romney and Cain”

Really? You’ve talked to them all? Perhaps you have a poll to back up your wild assertion?

No? Color me shocked./s


34 posted on 10/11/2011 10:52:45 AM PDT by Grunthor (Heartless Bigot for Cain.)
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To: DRey

http://twitter.com/#!/TheHermanCain
THEHermanCain Herman Cain
Team HC ~ We’ll be hosting a live chat for tonight’s debate at livestream.com/thehermancain Join us! #econdebate

http://www.livestream.com/thehermancain


35 posted on 10/11/2011 10:53:00 AM PDT by Fred (But we will never survive unless we get a little crazy)
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To: federal__reserve

Yes, it sure does. Romney can’t beat Perry, but he can beat Cain.


36 posted on 10/11/2011 10:53:46 AM PDT by DRey (Perry/Rubio 2012)
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To: AdamBomb
My prediction is that Newt and Bachman will ultimately throw their support behind Cain.

Santorum as well. Yes, only representing about 3-4%, but enough to make a difference.

37 posted on 10/11/2011 10:55:17 AM PDT by ScottinVA (With "successes" like the Libya adventure, who needs failure?)
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To: DRey
Romney can’t beat Perry, but he can beat Cain.

Romney has a chunk of moderate Republican support and he will probably get some liberal/moderate independent vote in a general election. Perry has almost no Republican support and would get no liberal/moderate independent vote in a general election.

Anyone voting for Perry really wants four more years of Obama.

38 posted on 10/11/2011 10:59:14 AM PDT by Prokopton
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To: Prokopton

The candidates are watching the clock. When the clock strikes the hour of stride, Perry will elect to be Perry and will come after Romney, Cain and anybody else standing with these two socialists. He has to. Maybe that will be tonight. They are all a mirage. You don’t tag team with Romney, as Cain is publically doing, who launched the pattern for socialism used by Obama for Obamacare because you give a damn about the country. You pal around with Romney because there is something in it for you, and you tag team with Romney the socialist against Perry because you know how things are going to go down. There are what five debates this month? We will know your nominee by September, unless in the course of 13 months he implodes at the wrong time.


39 posted on 10/11/2011 11:00:59 AM PDT by RitaOK (TEXAS. It's EXHIBIT A for Rick, who needs to pound the fiction flackers back into the Stone Age.)
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To: ScottinVA

It’s just a gut feeling, but I think Santorum will endorse one of the two establishment candidates (Perry or Romney), depending on who survives.

Santorum has never struck me as a guy that thinks too far outside the box. He’ll go with conventional wisdom.


40 posted on 10/11/2011 11:02:38 AM PDT by Brookhaven (999 Tax Calculator: http://goo.gl/AHsjH)
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To: Prokopton

What you just said is absolutely unfounded and ridiculous. Perry has a TON of Republican support — just not in the northeast where the RINOS roam. Perry is a viable candidate BECAUSE of all his support, plus his incredible ability to reach across to moderates and independents. Cain cannot beat Romney. He doesn’t have the infrastructure, Republican support, or funding. He’s a VP contender and a book salesman and Romney is using him for a Perry spoiler. The evidence is becoming overwhelming, and all the sudden.


41 posted on 10/11/2011 11:02:43 AM PDT by DRey (Perry/Rubio 2012)
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To: DRey
I am not so sure Romney can beat Cain in a 2 candidate final. Cain has surprised every one, and there is a reason he is climbing....He connects with people, whereas Romney does not. Also, Romney's baggage is huge (latest reports of Romney advisers meeting with Obama in oval office to discuss Romneycare), Cain has no such baggage being a political newbie.
42 posted on 10/11/2011 11:05:43 AM PDT by federal__reserve (November 2012 will decide whether we fall into an abyss or walk up the shiny city on the hill.)
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To: federal__reserve

Cain also has no Republican support. Who is backing him financially? Who is going to put big money on him, a guy with no experience? No one but the $20-$100 crowd. That won’t get him elected. The presidency is not an entry-level position. Cain may appeal to the purists who can’t stomach Perry, but Cain cannot beat either of them in a two-man race.


43 posted on 10/11/2011 11:08:37 AM PDT by DRey (Perry/Rubio 2012)
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To: DRey

“The evidence is becoming overwhelming, and all the sudden.”

lol..what?


44 posted on 10/11/2011 11:08:37 AM PDT by Grunthor (Heartless Bigot for Cain.)
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To: Grunthor

The same people who could not see that Palin was never going to run, are the same people who cannot get this concept, Guntor. You can’t fix stupid.


45 posted on 10/11/2011 11:10:53 AM PDT by DRey (Perry/Rubio 2012)
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To: DRey

Let’s just step this up a notch. Wrapped with the flag around their head we have a cabal of so called conservatives on FR giving loft to Cain, a guy who smartly knows how this is all going down. Romney is no conservative. He is a socialist. It is not alright that Cain has elected to support, grin at, and pal up with Romney, who has patterned up the nation’s first foray into socialized healthcare, palled around with Kennedy, favored all RINOs, all the time, while his advisors assisted in how to implement Obamacare.

If I did for Romney what Cain is doing for Romney I would be kicked off FR.


46 posted on 10/11/2011 11:11:08 AM PDT by RitaOK (TEXAS. It's EXHIBIT A for Rick, who needs to pound the fiction flackers back into the Stone Age.)
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To: DRey
If money was the main reason for winning, we should have had president Nelson Rockefeller, Governor Meg Whitman, on and on...I got a list of 20 candidates with overwhelming money advantage who lost.
47 posted on 10/11/2011 11:12:24 AM PDT by federal__reserve (November 2012 will decide whether we fall into an abyss or walk up the shiny city on the hill.)
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To: DRey

“You can’t fix stupid.”

Apparantly not.

“and all the sudden”

“Guntor”

No wonder you think Perry is some kind of rhetorically gifted genius.


48 posted on 10/11/2011 11:14:21 AM PDT by Grunthor (Heartless Bigot for Cain.)
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To: federal__reserve
What you do NOT have is a list of 20 candidates with overwhelming money disadvantage, like Cain, who won. And that is the material point.
49 posted on 10/11/2011 11:15:22 AM PDT by DRey (Perry/Rubio 2012)
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To: Grunthor

That was intentional, Guntor. Duh.


50 posted on 10/11/2011 11:17:03 AM PDT by DRey (Perry/Rubio 2012)
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