Skip to comments.University of California teachers’ union aims to block online classes
Posted on 10/11/2011 5:17:03 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
California’s university system — like the rest of the state — is in dire straits financially. Small wonder, then, that schools there have begun to give some thought to the expansion of cost-cutting online education programs. But predictably, the California teachers’ unions have something to say about that:
The specter and promise of online education is perhaps nowhere more deeply felt than in California, where campus administrators and instructors are faced with a bloodletting. University of California officials have suggested that the system will have to innovate out of the current financial crisis by expanding online programs. (State house analysts agree.) Instructors, meanwhile, are terrified that this is code for cutting their pay, or increasing their workloads, or outsourcing their jobs to interlopers, or replacing them with online teaching software.
The systems corps of lecturers feels this threat sharply. We believe that if courses are moved online, they will most likely be the classes currently taught by lecturers, reads a brief declaration against online education on the website of UC-AFT, the University of California chapter of the American Federation of Teachers, and so we will use our collective bargaining power to make sure that this move to distance education is done in a fair and just way for our members.
Now the California lecturers, who make up nearly half of the systems undergraduate teaching teachers, believe they have used that bargaining power to score a rare coup. The University of California last week tentatively agreed to a deal with UC-AFT that included a new provision barring the system and its campuses from creating online courses or programs that would result in a change to a term or condition of employment of any lecturer without first dealing with the union.
The president of the teachers’ union says he thinks this new agreement gives the union veto power over “almost any online program,” while university representatives say the provision doesn’t effectively change anything. All it means, they say, is that, if the union objects to an online education program, the university will have to go through the same process — mediation, fact-finding, maybe a university mandate, potentially a union strike, etc. — as it would if the union objected to any university decision that would jeopardize lecturers’ jobs or work lives.
This just recalls to mind the way unions affect markets in disappointing ways. Would we rather have a more affordable product for more people or arbitrarily protected and unwarrantedly posh jobs?
Frankly, it’s astonishing to me that a knee-jerk defensiveness of lecturers’ jobs is the best this union can do. They could at least make the case for why face-to-face interaction enhances education. Certainly, I can. As a relatively recent graduate and a person who now spends the majority of my time online, I often miss the camaraderie of the classroom. The Internet is the largest salon on earth — the easiest and broadest possible exchange of ideas imaginable — but, all too frequently, ideologues of a certain stripe collect in a certain corner of it and never leave that corner, never encounter ideas that force them to test assumptions. For all that universities perpetuate a certain amount of propaganda, for all that they, too, frequently fail to conscientiously court ideological diversity, they do bring together a wide variety of people and in person. And the in-person principle does seem important to me, somehow. Perhaps the “dehumanization” of ideas — the separation of ideas from the person who thinks them — enables us to consider them more objectively, strictly on the merits of the ideas themselves and not on our affinity or disinclination for the person. But it might also be that it de-contextualizes those ideas, robs us from really observing the fabric from which the ideas were formed. Someone who knows me, who can see my facial expressions as I say something, who can hear my tone of voice, will surely understand what it is I’m trying to say better than someone who encounters only my typed words on a screen.
That’s less an argument against online programs — which are surely an excellent and affordable way to provide basic education for more people — as it is an argument for the revival of the university as it was originally conceived — a place in which to question, to learn, to debate. In many ways, we abandoned the concept of such a place as soon as we made it seem like a societal imperative for everyone — even those who have little interest in academics — to earn a B.A., when we started subsidizing college loans, when we started inflating the cost of college tuition. (Yes, I’m back to Mr. Charles Murray.) The education bubble needed to burst. The demand for a true university experience is probably quite small, and, yes, that means UC-AFT lecturers might be in too abundant of a supply, but let supply and demand determine the cost of an online college education and an in-person college education and schools will no longer be faced with a “bloodletting.” Best of all, educationally speaking, lecturers who truly want to foster an academic environment — and aren’t just looking for a job with tenure — would only have to interact face-to-face with students who also want to contribute to such an environment.
>> for cutting their pay, or increasing their workloads, or outsourcing their jobs to interlopers, or replacing them with online teaching software.<<
Hopefully, all of the above.
Maybe much of “administration” should be on line as well!
Online courses will continue to proliferate to the point that the price of a college education will actually be determined by the market. Prices will tumble, brick-and-mortar colleges will contract, some will vanish. Legions of college professors will lose their employment.
Win Win Win. And Win.
Much of the reason for the change happened because businesses weren’t allowed to test for IQ’s anymore, so they substituted the requirement for a post-secondary diploma instead.
What are these parasites going to do when California children enroll in high-quality Internet charter schools hosted in other states? Good jobs for teachers (no commuting), good education for children.
the new left has always been anti-technology.
Not very progressive, are they?
Meaning; "Doesn't happen at all".
RE: What are these parasites going to do when California children enroll in high-quality Internet charter schools hosted in other states?
If I know the liberals, they will want the government to pry into family members with school aged kids to make sure that they don’t use online schools.
Online schools will then be made illegal.
Finally, a law will be passed to BLOCK access to these online websites (like they do in China ).
These union clowns can’t stop it. Even Youtube and Microsoft have online free classes, and even Harvard is onboard.
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These people do not care about the education of our youth, they only want to protect their incomes and featherbed their retirement plans.
I can see another way it shakes out: all college courses to be "distance" learning. Class full of students gets to watch an image of some graduate student who can't speak English, blathering gibberish on a flat-screen monitor held up on a pedestal in front of the class. The graduate student is wearing only his underwear pants, but you can't see that because of the camera angle.
Graduate student gets paid a couple hundred dollars a week for this.
Meanwhile, graduate student interfaces with his "advisor" also by flat-screen monitor, on his laptop computer. Professor gets to wear only his/her underwear too, but gets paid $250K/year for doing so. Once "distance learning" by the masses kicks in, professors pay goes up to $450K per year.
University of California teachers union aims to block online classes = outsourcing...How does it feel?
Yep. The die is cast.
They can’t stop the signal!
Standford is currently running a variety of online computer classes. It’s most publicized one is on AI. It has over 160,000 students online, it won’t be Standford college credit, but it will have a certificate with class ranking on it.
People from all over the world are signed up for this class.
They are pretty excited, and if you are interested, the class has just started this Monday, and enrollment is still open and FREE!!!
If most of this nation jobs “computerized” out of existence, so can theirs.
And for those who don’t know, there is the free online Khan Academy, with all kinds of mostly math and science topics.
This shows their concern for humanity is fake.
Greedy Universities get bailed out.
It’s not surprising that academia should be so backward, but I am a bit surprised that it comes first in California, the center of technology.
Or you could blame it on Al Gore.
Standford is not part of the UC system, and they already have some online classes going now.
One has over 160,000 students signed up, from across the world.
Let the snots at UC collapse for lack of PAYING STUDENTS.
Oh, and the legislature did away with tenure for new teacher hires.
The teachers unions recognized the camel's nose when they saw it, and are still howling.
Yes, and there is nothing they can do. They priced themselves out of their own market and didn't realize it until it was too late that technology rendered them obsolete. Nothing can stop this trend, although there is some value in being present in a laboratory for hands on work. The undergraduate degrees will become online, and the graduate courses will be more applied, hands on experimentation.
Thanks for that Freeper.
Worksheets and tests can be graded by a combination of computer programs and low wage third world workers.
One can see from the progressive-Marxist attack on charter schools, for profit post high-school education, and now on the television classroom (which is the wave of the future, thanks to the greed of the Education establlishment) the times are a changing.
Television programming that leads to a college degree could begin with University A, creating its own television programming; it then purchases a television station and places that station on satellite and cable TV. Students “attend” TV lectures, are given reading lists, take midterms and finals. This is done while the student holds down a day job, and studies at night.
A while back I thought that Brigham Young was about to enter on such a venture. I don;t know where that led. However, one thing I do know is that the American middle class can no longer tolerate a university education that cost 20K and up per annum.
“Much of the reason for the change happened because businesses werent allowed to test for IQs anymore, so they substituted the requirement for a post-secondary diploma instead.”
Absolutely correct. You can thank the SCOTUS for that one.
That sounds clear enough to me.
Higher education, indeed all education no longer exists for the benefit of the learners, the students, but for the permanent maintenance of the political and financial special benefits enjoyed by the Teacher Unions, the remorae of our degenerate political system.
Anyone even remotely aware of the difference between primary and higher education and the needs of each group of students, and the "special," privileged perverted existence of tenure can condemn internet classes and the corresponding enormous reduction in cost.
The Unions are the buggy whip promoters of higher education. Reality says that one excellent internet lecturer-teacher can outperform a thousand educational hacks. Inevitably that must displace $400,000 Universities, and the distorted artificial value of Union diplomas.