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Amish men refuse to pay fine, cite religious beliefs
www.wpsdlocal6.com ^ | 10 Oct 2011 | Julie Collins

Posted on 10/11/2011 5:57:37 PM PDT by smokingfrog

GRAVES COUNTY, Ky. — Local Amish men say they aren't budging when it comes to state law.

Four of the men appeared in a Graves County courtroom Monday for refusing to pay fines for not displaying a reflective triangle on their buggies.

State law requires slow-moving vehicles to display the bright orange-red symbol.

In August, eight men, including the four in court Monday, spent time in jail for refusing to pay the fines.

The men said they're refusing to pay because the triangle is in direct violation of their religious

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; US: Kentucky
KEYWORDS: amish; slowbuggy; triangle
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1 posted on 10/11/2011 5:57:45 PM PDT by smokingfrog
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... beliefs.


2 posted on 10/11/2011 5:59:07 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open ( <o> ---)
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To: smokingfrog

Let’s focus on what is really important here. Are there footbaths in the bathrooms for the mooslimes.


3 posted on 10/11/2011 6:00:05 PM PDT by Drill Thrawl (0 - 537 They ALL must go.)
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To: smokingfrog

ALL MANNER of exceptions made for Muslims, sure...now we’ll see what they do to Amish.

They’ll get as much mercy, I figure, as their raw milk-selling colleagues.


4 posted on 10/11/2011 6:02:59 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: smokingfrog

Send them on to meet God.


5 posted on 10/11/2011 6:03:46 PM PDT by NoLibZone (Democrats are violent. Prisons are overflowing with democrats convicted of violent crimes.)
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To: smokingfrog

Those are among the worst cases of hat head I’ve ever seen.


6 posted on 10/11/2011 6:05:40 PM PDT by Hunton Peck (See my FR homepage for a list of businesses that support WI Gov. Scott Walker)
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To: smokingfrog

Four of the men appeared in a Graves County courtroom Monday for refusing to pay fines for not displaying a reflective triangle on their buggies.”

They’re probably all REALLY Muslim terrorists...


7 posted on 10/11/2011 6:06:13 PM PDT by jessduntno (Obama shanks. America tanks.)
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To: smokingfrog

Video wouldn’t play for me.
Can’t recall reading anything in the Bible about reflective red triangles. I can recall reading about rendering unto caesar that which is caesar’s, and unto God that which is God’s.
I think that the Amish are out to lunch on this one.


8 posted on 10/11/2011 6:06:15 PM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: smokingfrog

I typically always side with less regulation but this one is important and serves a very good purpose.

Those triangles show up extremely well and I would guess save a lot of lives. It is not much of an imposition either.


9 posted on 10/11/2011 6:07:25 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: smokingfrog
Hmmmm. I just checked. My bible says nothing about orange reflective triangles.

/johnny

10 posted on 10/11/2011 6:07:33 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (gone Galt)
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To: smokingfrog

Why don’t we just leave these people alone?


11 posted on 10/11/2011 6:09:35 PM PDT by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughers of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: smokingfrog

What an arrogant judge. Whether you agree with the Amish or not; putting anyone in jail over this trivial of a violation is outrageous.

Government out of control. I’d do the time too. Resist tyranny at every opportunity.


12 posted on 10/11/2011 6:10:11 PM PDT by Brownie63
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To: JRandomFreeper

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13 posted on 10/11/2011 6:12:08 PM PDT by Robe (Rome did not create a great empire by talking, they did it by killing all those who opposed them)
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To: Hunton Peck

“... worst cases of hat head I’ve ever seen”.

Check out the bangs! Bwaahahhhahaa! LOL!


14 posted on 10/11/2011 6:14:10 PM PDT by momtothree
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To: Scotsman will be Free

“I think that the Amish are out to lunch on this one.”

The Amish have been using these road longer than they’ve been paved. Govt comes in paves them and dictates rules.

LEAVE THE AMISH ALONE.


15 posted on 10/11/2011 6:15:28 PM PDT by George from New England (escaped CT in 2006, now living north of Tampa)
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To: 3Fingas
“Why don’t we just leave these people alone?”

Because some kid in his Moms van will come around a corner some dark night and not see these idiots in their black horse and buggy's and get killed.

16 posted on 10/11/2011 6:16:37 PM PDT by BigCinBigD
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To: BigCinBigD

Ever heard of grandfather provisions in society?

It the automobile that’s the problem. Set the speed limits at 25 mph.


17 posted on 10/11/2011 6:19:56 PM PDT by George from New England (escaped CT in 2006, now living north of Tampa)
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To: BigCinBigD

Good point.

Maybe they can let them use some other type of reflective symbol.


18 posted on 10/11/2011 6:21:02 PM PDT by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughers of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: smokingfrog

What is with the beards? I wish I knew more about those people but it just seems like a freakish cult of some sort. I know they are peaceful people and keep to themselves but I just don’t get it. Is it a religion? Is there a book of Amish? They were Swiss I think to begin with. I know they are christian or at least I think they follow the teachings of Christ. Strange people is all I can say.


19 posted on 10/11/2011 6:31:28 PM PDT by mc5cents
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To: smokingfrog

Any day if I sit on my front porch, I will see several log trucks drive by. I got to noticing they all will have a red flag attached to the logs protruding the most.

I am sure there is a law requiring them to do so. It is a good law too. It would be so easy to not see those logs way in back of the trailer and run right into them.

As I said, I usually say err on the side of freedom from regulations but there has to be a bit of common sense too.


20 posted on 10/11/2011 6:32:50 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: smokingfrog

If they want to make a dirt road between their farms, and drive their carts along their private roads; I’d agree with them.

However, they are riding on PUBLIC roads, where cars are going substancially faster than any horse can gallop. Those reflective signs are warnings to other people that the cart they have is a slow moving vehicle - this triangle saves lives, theirs and ours.

The reflective triangle is an international symbol - people driving on our roads from Europe, Asia or any other continent will recognize this symbol. If they don’t like it; I suggest they either make their own roads; or stay home.


21 posted on 10/11/2011 6:34:51 PM PDT by Hodar ( Who needs laws; when this FEELS so right?)
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To: BigCinBigD; George from New England; Brownie63

I think they get that it places them at risk... they are making a stand, drawing a line on the asphalt as it were, that used to be gravel and before that was dirt.

They are non-violent, pacifist Believers who work hard and care for their own. Their interpretations of various passages may be more legalistic than your own but they are willing to stand for their beliefs..

Someday soon, all “Christians” will be under attack, starting with the most radical and evangelical, and our beliefs will be mocked and our customs, and our traditional family and gender issues will be mocked and ridiculed.

They did this to the Amish and Mennonites and we did nothing...food for thought.


22 posted on 10/11/2011 6:35:29 PM PDT by One Name
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To: mc5cents

I once saw an interview with an Amish pastor or whatever they call them.

As near as I could tell, he said they do not believe the Bible requires them to live like they do. They just think it is suggested and think it is a good idea.


23 posted on 10/11/2011 6:36:33 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: George from New England

Who pays for those roads? Who pays for maintainence, snow removal? That would be the Public at large.

The signs are there to warn a car that the vehicle ahead is a slow moving vehicle - well below the typical minimum truck speed of 40 mph. That symbol is international, and saves lives; theirs and ours.

Now, if they want to build their own road, on private land - I’d agree with you.


24 posted on 10/11/2011 6:37:47 PM PDT by Hodar ( Who needs laws; when this FEELS so right?)
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To: smokingfrog

They’re on the roads with their junk, then they put the triangles on the buggies. If not, give ‘em max sentences and pinch them again when they get out and try it again.

Sometimes, some principles are just stupid and these goobers aren’t winning in the court of intelligent looks, either.


25 posted on 10/11/2011 6:39:48 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth
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To: One Name

Amen. The Amish do not bother anybody. They have as much right to the roads as anybody else. There is nothing in the Bible, or the Constitution, which says that people in motorized vehicles have more rights than those in horse-drawn ones, or bicycles, or pedestrians. If everyone in this country lived by Amish values, we would not have Baraq 0bama as President, or Warren Buffett telling us to pay more taxes, or “compassionate conservatives” forcing us to pay for gummint skools, or swarms of lawyers “eating out our substance,” or....


26 posted on 10/11/2011 6:43:31 PM PDT by hellbender
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To: WorkingClassFilth

Yeah, damn them and their freedom. Who cares about their principles. They need for us to judge their principles and the ones we don’t like...hell yeah we need to beat them down.

We need to judge them by their looks like the liberals do just because we can.


27 posted on 10/11/2011 6:44:02 PM PDT by MissouriConservative (Perry 2012)
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To: BigCinBigD

EXactly! We came within inches of being in just that situation.
It was a dark, foggy morning and we were heading out on vacation. Bam, a buggy swerved from the side of the road right in front of us!

My husband locked em’ up and the camper kind of fish tailed and the female “driving” never even turned to look. Maybe she was deaf and blind that she couldn’t hear the car coming over the clip-clop or blind that she couldn’t see the headlights shinning on the fog.

Even worse, in these parts anyway, the young guys have been known to go out violating deer and send the buggys home sans driver.


28 posted on 10/11/2011 6:46:34 PM PDT by bog trotter
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To: One Name
I don't care that it places them at risk. I don't want to be at risk because of their superstitious nonsense.
29 posted on 10/11/2011 6:51:50 PM PDT by BigCinBigD
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To: hellbender
They have as much right to the roads as anybody else. There is nothing in the Bible, or the Constitution, which says that people in motorized vehicles have more rights than those in horse-drawn ones, or bicycles, or pedestrians

You know you are right! There is not a darn thing in the Bible to cover this. The Constitution is silent on this issue also. So I guess those people can just chug along in their black horse and carriage as they will. Oh, but when that car comes around that bend in the road at 35-40 MPH and can't see that black carriage going about 5 MPH and rams into the back of it and kills all the people in the carriage and perhaps the horse too, well that is just too bad eh?

30 posted on 10/11/2011 6:54:10 PM PDT by mc5cents
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To: BigCinBigD

Some might say you are the superstitious one, ignoring the evdience of Creation to support certain selfish, nihilistic beliefs.


31 posted on 10/11/2011 6:57:21 PM PDT by One Name
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To: smokingfrog

It’s Captain Ahab!


32 posted on 10/11/2011 6:59:05 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: One Name

“Some might say you are the superstitious one, ignoring the evdience of Creation to support certain selfish, nihilistic beliefs.”

True. But I would wager those “some” have tail lights on their cars.


33 posted on 10/11/2011 7:00:11 PM PDT by BigCinBigD
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To: BigCinBigD

a pennslyvanian road, at night, in the summer... rainy.... doing 40-50 mph...

no shiny piece of plastic is going to prevent the accident


34 posted on 10/11/2011 7:01:03 PM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: One Name

The Amish believe in living “plain,” and that means no “fancy” bright colored accoutrements such as luminous reflectors, clothes, curtains etc.

Of course there is nothing about reflectors in the Bible, but there is plenty about living humble and piously.


35 posted on 10/11/2011 7:03:40 PM PDT by varina davis (Life is not a dress rehearsal)
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To: MissouriConservative

OK, it’s their freedom to look goofy. I’ll admit that. However, the roads their slow moving buggies travel on belong to all of us. If they can’t abide with simple safety regulations, then they need to stay home and shovel out the barn.


36 posted on 10/11/2011 7:04:40 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth
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To: smokingfrog

Judge is not the sharpest knife in the drawer. Is he going to put them in jail for life? Even a half witted judge would figure out a way to make them work out their fine and make the work such that they would not desire to come back again.


37 posted on 10/11/2011 7:04:43 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (There's a pill for just about everything ... except stupid!)
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To: smokingfrog

All our local Amish do indeed display the orange SMV signs.

Seems there is quite a difference in beliefs/customs between various settlements.


38 posted on 10/11/2011 7:05:36 PM PDT by labette ( Humble student of Thinkology)
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To: mc5cents; hellbender

I travel thru Amish Country on occasion, Mennonite as well.

I live in the country. I drive like there could be a herd of black angus cattle escaped on the road in the dark in the fog, or a combine over the hill, old an old dude on a tractor around the curve I can’t see, or someone’s kid on a bicycle.

How do you interact with your neighbors?


39 posted on 10/11/2011 7:07:49 PM PDT by One Name
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To: mc5cents
Anyone who drives a motorized vehicle has a legal and moral obligation to preserve the lives of others on the road. We are supposed to pull over to allow an ambulance to pass. We are supposed to come to a dead stop to let kids leave a school bus and cross the road safely. Your "right" to speed down the road seems pretty petty to me by comparison. Leave these peaceful, self-sufficient, Christian people alone. If we all lived by their values, our nation would not have all the problems it does.

If you really think that the Amish are a problem, you are probably on the wrong forum. You should move over to DU or Daily Kos.

40 posted on 10/11/2011 7:07:56 PM PDT by hellbender
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To: Robe
I thought the last one's name was H----y, and he had starred in several feature films. Including some 'nature' films.

But I may be thinking about a different set of dwarves.

/johnny

41 posted on 10/11/2011 7:15:46 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (gone Galt)
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To: BigCinBigD

I do (have tailights) when they work, but have been known to walk escaped cows down the road back to a gate; and the cows do not have reflectors or lights installed.

I’m not Amish, but I respect them.


42 posted on 10/11/2011 7:17:43 PM PDT by One Name
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To: mc5cents
What is with the beards

They have beards when they get married. Can you tell who has been married the longest?

43 posted on 10/11/2011 7:21:18 PM PDT by Total Package (TOLEDO, OHIO THE MRSA INFECTION IN THE STATE and the death of freedom)
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To: bog trotter
"...the young guys have been known to go out violating deer and send the buggys home sans driver."

What in the world does THAT mean??

44 posted on 10/11/2011 7:22:48 PM PDT by jackibutterfly (The American Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people.)
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To: mc5cents
What is with the beards?

Technically, for jewish men (who might be Levites), the requirement per the Torah, is found in Leviticus 19:27 "Ye shall not round the corners of your heads, neither shalt thou mar the corners of thy beard."

It's in the Bible.

/johnny

45 posted on 10/11/2011 7:22:58 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (gone Galt)
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To: smokingfrog

All named Jebidiah?


46 posted on 10/11/2011 7:23:49 PM PDT by mquinn (Obama's supporters: a deliberate drowning of consciousness by means of rhythmic noise)
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To: smokingfrog

and deer should wear reflective vests to cross the highways!


47 posted on 10/11/2011 7:23:53 PM PDT by tired&retired
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To: varina davis

I wouldn’t argue with them about their interpretation of the Holy Scriptures, or their customs.

Romans 12:18 (KJV) If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.


48 posted on 10/11/2011 7:24:05 PM PDT by One Name
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To: yarddog

So, how come you English don’t have big red triangles on your bicycles? They go about the same speed as a horse and buggy and aren’t as easy to see.


49 posted on 10/11/2011 7:25:00 PM PDT by Hartlyboy
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To: smokingfrog

I would think an oil lamp would be an acceptable compromise.


50 posted on 10/11/2011 7:25:19 PM PDT by rightwingcrazy
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