Skip to comments.Occupy L.A. Speaker: Violence will be Necessary to Achieve Our Goals
Posted on 10/11/2011 11:15:12 PM PDT by MeNeFrego
"Citizen journalist Ringo captured this speaker at the Occupy Los Angeles camp a few days ago letting the cat out of the bag: After dismissing nonviolence as a dead end, he admits that for the Occupiers to achieve their goals, violence and bloodshed will be necessary:
Heres a transcript, starting at 32 seconds into the video:
Occupy L.A. Speaker: One of the speakers said the solution is nonviolent movement. No, my friend. Ill give you two examples: French Revolution, and Indian so-called Revolution.
Gandhi, Gandhi today is, with respect to all of you, Gandhi today is a tumor that the ruling class is using constantly to mislead us. French Revolution made fundamental transformation. But it was bloody.
India, the result of Gandhi, is 600 million people living in maximum poverty.
So, ultimately, the bourgeosie wont go without violent means. Revolution! Yes, revolution that is led by the working class.
Long live revolution! Long live socialism!
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These guys are all bong, no load.
Sorry Skippy. You might have a “master’s degree” be we conservatives have all of the guns and ammo. Most are veterans. You might just want to go back to mommy and daddy’s basement and get back to the video games.
Put away the pepper spray and rubber bullets.
If these people want to die for their cause, let’s help them.
I am in no way happy with where our nation is head, but I don’t advocate violence.
So enough bloodshed would have turned India into an opulent state?
Suicide by reality?
C'mon, when are they going talk about the "oppression from the man"?
Bunch of 60s leftover idiots.
I love it I love it I love it! The Obama campaign continues. Don’t cha just love it when liberals unwittingly help Repubs win?
Most normal people watching this say yeah, this was tried in the sixties and seventies, and hell if we’re going to give in a second time.
Long live chlorine in the socialist gene pool.
There are times throughout history where suppression and social injustice led to armed rebellion and violence.
In an armed rebellion, the OWS supporters would last about 20 seconds. After that they would either be cowering in the mud begging for life or they would be bleeding out.
They are against war, but they want one? Not wise.
I lived through the hippies of the 60's. Now the survivors are all tenured profs at our universities and have reincarnated themselves in these nutjobs. Where are the citizens who are trying to work and carry on their lives? The media is so busy promoting this occupy bunch, they don't even talk about anything else.
“we conservatives have all of the guns and ammo”
This is not true. The left has some elements which are armed. Principally gangbangers and the like, but also some racially genocidal groups and they do have some vets as well. Most large city police organizations would swing left, and probably most military officers and support MOS enlisted personnel. Add to this the fact that most conservatives choke at the idea of ‘breaking the law’, and the left relishes it.
It would not be pretty. Civil wars are always harder and more bloody than the proponents expect. A US civil war in the current day would resemble the Spanish Civil War in many ways.
Their main weak points are that they are lazy, fractious, self indulgent, addicted to magical thinking and with not a clue about logistics or in some cases sanitation and personal hygiene. They are mostly clumped in cities too.
Violent revolution? Maybe in your Democrat-controlled cities.
Outside of city-limits, you will find that your ironic T-shirts dont make good bullet-proof vests.
And it should be noted that cities dont produce their own food, and the urban Quaker population are not keen on being ruled by white hipsters. Oh, they also have guns too.
“They are mostly clumped in cities too.”
Perfect. Secure the perimeter of the city limits, turn off the water, electricity and gas, and starve them to death. Nothing goes in, and nothing comes out. Anybody tries to leave; Shoot them on the spot. Problem solved.
Bring it on. The American people will not stand for a revolution that brings in MORE tyranny. These fools can find what they want in North Korea. I bet we could all chip in and send them there.
There are a lot of good people in the cities too.
Tares and wheat, all mixed together.
To me it's surreal. On SNL last weekend they were trying to ridicule conservatives for saying that these bozos were not the same thing as the Tea Party. I had to leave the room ... it was like Pravda. I do notice that people - that is liberals - are kind of quiet about the whole thing. I could almost believe they aren't really going along with it.
What Good Can a Handgun Do Against An Army?
...”They are against war, but they want one? Not wise”...
Their thinking is drug infested..Drugs effect the frontal lobes of the brain and judgment is the first thing to go. Unfortunately, some of the media are giving these druggies credibility when they simply want to wreck and destroy for the fun of it because they are rich and bored. And, if any of us think they would not revel in murder if they could pull it off, go think again..These types are self-absorbed to the max and care only for entertainment and titillation.
Don’t take everything so seriously. While I would love to eradicate the disease of liberalism/progressivism from this nation, I would never seriously advocate killing millions of innocent people to accomplish that goal.
Only liberals, socialists, communists, fascists, and marxists commit mass murder in the quest to realize their utopian ideals.
(You know, people like Pol Pot, Mao, Stalin, Hitler, Che, etc. Those 5 people are responsible for the annialation and murder of over 100 million people in their quest to create a utopian world. The number of people they murdered is probably much higher than that, but liberals don’t keep accurate records of their atrocities.)
These guys praise the French Revolution but, like the Russian and Chinese Revolutions, most of those that “made the Revolution” were killed in the infighting at the top, not even by the Enemies of the Revolution. Napoleon won out in France, Stalin in Russia. If they set up the guillotines most of own their heads will be taken off by those engines. They are the college grads and high IQ sons of the elite but they cannot learn from history and they cannot learn from reality. Most of them really are high IQ and I have come to believe that high IQ is detrimental to the survival of a society. It is an evolutionary contra-indication as it were.
> Bunch of 60s leftover idiots.
proxy protesting via their thoruoghly brainwashed spawn
I'm with you. I'm not at all confident conservatives could win. How old are most of us now, 50? 60? 70? We can scoff at libs because they don't generally know how to shoot and don't own guns, but how long does it take to make a soldier? Ten weeks of basic and six or so of AIT.
I'm afraid us old timers probably wouldn't do very well against an army of young commies who were motivated by a raging hatred of everything conservative, no matter how confident we are now that we could put a whuppin' on them.
Furthermore, the longer the fight lasted the worse it'd be for us: They'd be getting experience while we'd just be getting older.
Our only hope would be our warriors who have fought in Iraq and Afghanistan. But if the armed forces came down on the side of some hypothetical socialist president, it'd be a rough road for them. Nope, I do not want to see such a conflict.
Lots of trash talk. With the first round fired downrange from the Conservative defense forces, these flea-infested rodents will scatter in abject terror. But if they really want to take it to that level, I say BRING IT.
This guy looks and sounds like some old Palestinain commie who moved to the US and became a professor.
Then of course came Napoleon.
Dude, get a life. Preferably one of your own. Nothing is worth those crimes.
Good idea. But I can do this cheaper, easier and faster.
Cull the herd. Take their leadership and beat the snot out of them. Then send t hem back to the protesters. It will end within the week.
Google “Greensboro Massacre”.
This happened in late 1979 in Greensboro NC. Five communists were killed and several wounded by Klansmen following a “Death to the Klan” rally by the former, all this was about a screening of the 1915 film “Birth of a Nation”. The Klansmen were all acquitted and this is the Left’s version of the Boston Massacre.
So there already exists deadly precedent that if the Left calls for violence against its enemies, there might be response in kind (not defending the Klan, BTW).
I don't advocate violence either (although the other side clearly does - as Ayers and his crowd exemplified many years ago). On the other hand, I came from a family in which my father didn't finish high school and I have worked very hard for many years of my life, spent many a sleepless night, and have given up plenty to achieve what I have, and to build something to pass on to my child. When scum like the idiot socialist wannabe speaker try to label me, and threaten to take away what I've sacrificed for, I will do whatever it takes to protect what is mine, and I will make any sacrifice. Life without liberty and self-determination is not really life.
I understand your concerns and your points, but I don't agree. Just look around at kids in grade school, high school, college. They have so much ‘stuff’, and their approach to life is anything but ‘socialist revolutionary’. They want to download off of iTunes, not sleep in tents and destroy corporations like Apple. When they get a good whiff of what the socialist morons are selling, they won't want it. Revolutions only work when there is a permanent and large underclass with no hope of upward mobility, like in an old European monarchy. The Ayers and Obamas of the world understand this, which is why they push policies that target the middle class and promote polarization. Won't work.
” Most large city police organizations would swing left, and probably most military officers and support MOS enlisted personnel.”
In the last poll of military officers, 90% identified themselves as Republicans or conservatives.
You also might want to run over to Second City Cop and read. If that doesn’t disabuse your wrong-headed opinion, nothing will.
Your assessment is correct. On another thread there was a photo of a girl who got her trust fund at 21 and said she was one of the 1% standing with the 99%. Well, if these folks ver turn violent, she’ll be killed in round 2 so they can have her money.
This "we have all the guns" thinking keeps getting repeated, and it's not true. While many effete college agitators may have never held a gun, they also have various inner-city gangs and union thugs who are VERY familiar with guns. Also, keep in mind the Madison, WI protests where many of the unionized police sided with the protestors.
If they are talking revolution, it means that they are confident that they will have enough force to carry it out.
It might not even be a revolution they're thinking of, but a coup by Obama where he declares that, due to "civil unrest" on election day preventing many from getting to the polls, that election results cannot be considered valid.
This is exactly what the "homoizing" of the military is intended to "fix".
Now there's a catchy phrase, a great metaphor that will surely rally the downtrodden masses and echo throughout history as the rallying cry that brought down the Capitalist house of cards.
“Don't be misled by the TUMOR!”
“Ghandi is a TUMOR!”
“Death to the TUMOR!”
The problem with a number of high-IQ individuals is that they can succumb to hubris, the arrogance of thinking that their intelligence enables them to plan for "the masses". Thomas Sowell, in "A Conflict of Visions: Ideological Origins of Political Struggles", writes a lot about this tendency.
The tendency seems particularly present in what I call "the articulate class", the group of people whose particular kind of intelligence gives them an advantage in argumentation, but not necessarily in actually getting things done. This group tends to gravitate towards academia, "policy think tanks", and other areas where they can get ahead by verbalizing plausible theories without any need for those theories producing concrete results.
In the real world, people with real intelligence soon realize that it's very hard to do planning for people who have their own agendas and goals, and who have better access to the low-level data. The downfall of the "planning class" is that they are dependent upon others for data for their plans, and it's effectively impossible to "plan" a complex system containing independent actors.
At the end of the day law enforcement and military commands would splinter, just as they did in Spain in 1936, Romania in 1989 and the Soviet Union in 1991. I will take my data from significant historical examples over individual polls or blog assertions. Most civil wars are protracted, close run things with divisions that cut all the way down into nuclear families. If alleged “lawful authority” sides with mobs like we are seeing today, no military or law enforcement entity will be wholly reliable for -either- side, and some will really struggle as to what their oaths require of them.
SgtD: In the last poll of military officers, 90% identified themselves as Republicans or conservatives.
MrB: This is exactly what the “homoizing” of the military is intended to “fix”.
“I’m with you. I’m not at all confident conservatives could win.”
I think we would. I just don’t think it would be easyor cheap, and I am not sure what would be left. Some fights just have to be fought though.
I’m on record here on this. We’re getting set up for riots later. The powers that be seem to think chaos will help them. Then again, they might just be willing to let us slide right into a civil war.
And who do you think would be the first to be “fragged” in a conflict?
The real soldiers know who is who and who to trust. If there are overt faggots in the ranks, the ‘men’ know who they are.
Sleepers like Major Nidal Malik Hasan or PFC Bradley Manning or quislings like Lieutenant John Forbes Kerry or “law enforcement” personnel like Agent Lon Tomohisa Horiuchi or Sheriff Clarence William Dupnik may be more significant.
How long would it be before a conservative was arrested if he publicly called for a revolution?
These guys will not win a violent confrontation. For the most part they don’t own guns and they can’t learn how to build a bomb by watching “Dancing With The Fat Asses Nancy Grace and Chaz Bono”.