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NBC/WSJ poll: Cain now leads GOP pack (Cain 27% Romney 23% Perry 16%)
NBC News ^ | 12 Oct 2011 | Mark Murray

Posted on 10/12/2011 4:14:52 PM PDT by Meet the New Boss

Fueled by Tea Party supporters, conservatives and high-interest GOP primary voters, former Godfather’s Pizza CEO Herman Cain now leads the race for the Republican presidential nomination, according to the latest NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll.

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Cain checks in as the first choice of 27 percent of Republican voters in the poll, followed by former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney at 23 percent and Perry at 16 percent. After those three, it’s Texas Rep. Ron Paul at 11 percent, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich at 8 percent, Bachmann at 5 percent and former Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman at 3 percent.

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KEYWORDS: 151515; 202020; 999; 999sucks; cain; cain2012; caintrain; cainvsable; elections; grassroots; hermancain; mediadivider; mediaracecard; mediasetup; teapartycain; vat
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1 posted on 10/12/2011 4:14:58 PM PDT by Meet the New Boss
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To: Meet the New Boss

Raising Cain!


2 posted on 10/12/2011 4:15:33 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (There's gonna be a Redneck Revolution! (See my freep page) [rednecks come in many colors])
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To: Meet the New Boss
Where are all those silly posts about why is herman not attacking willard. ROFLOL
3 posted on 10/12/2011 4:19:33 PM PDT by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by Perry and his fellow democrat)
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To: Meet the New Boss

Bret Baier announced this on Special Report right after A.B. Stoddard condescendingly declared that while Herman Cain “is charming” he basically has no shot at winning the nomination.

She laughed when Bret read it, one of those “can you believe it?” laughs. I have one MORE reason for Herman Cain to win the nomination: to shove it in the face of the “we know best” pundits.


4 posted on 10/12/2011 4:21:06 PM PDT by LostInBayport (When there are more people riding in the cart than there are pulling it, the cart stops moving...)
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To: org.whodat

Go, Herman, go!

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5 posted on 10/12/2011 4:21:18 PM PDT by bobk333
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To: Meet the New Boss
Fueled by Tea Party supporters

Just the ones who think we should tax tea--and everything else we buy. Time to throw them in Boston Harbor, along with 9-9-9.

Time will tell if the Kool Aid drinkers dominate the Tea Party. Hopefully not, because 9-9-9 will get Obama re-elected.

6 posted on 10/12/2011 4:21:26 PM PDT by Huck (NO FEDERAL SALES TAX -- UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES)
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To: Meet the New Boss

Fantastic!


7 posted on 10/12/2011 4:21:44 PM PDT by kidd
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To: kidd

Maybe once we will get a real, honest to goodness outsider non establishment candidate.

Wow, what a breath of fresh air that would be.


8 posted on 10/12/2011 4:23:43 PM PDT by CSI007
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To: Meet the New Boss

I’m guessing that when the lower tier candidates bow out, their support will likely transfer to Cain, not Romney.


9 posted on 10/12/2011 4:24:24 PM PDT by umgud
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To: Meet the New Boss

Let me just get it out of the way...

Cain can’t win! He’s got no money/organization/experience.

He’s a liar/moron/loser.

HE WORKED FOR THE *GASP* FED!!!

(Go, Cain!!)


10 posted on 10/12/2011 4:24:27 PM PDT by Politicalmom (Cain supporter since 2003.)
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To: LostInBayport

Hillary laughed in 2007 when asked about the possibility of not getting the nomination.


11 posted on 10/12/2011 4:25:08 PM PDT by CaptainK (...please make it stop. Shake a can of pennies at it.)
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To: Huck

Cain’t imagine in my wildest dreams, that the tea party members will go for a natioal sales tax.

An endorement for Herman would mean an endorsement of his plan.


12 posted on 10/12/2011 4:26:40 PM PDT by tirednvirginia
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To: Huck

To get the government out of my finances, I’d be thrilled with the Fair Tax.


13 posted on 10/12/2011 4:27:01 PM PDT by Politicalmom (Cain supporter since 2003.)
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To: Meet the New Boss

I like Cain...

I like the 999 taxes plan...

But...

How practical is it?

I mean, once Cain is in the White House, how likely is it that, he’ll actually propose the plan, and how likely is it that congress will actually take it up or even discuss it seriously?


14 posted on 10/12/2011 4:27:33 PM PDT by adorno (<)
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To: Meet the New Boss

Cain/Rubio. That would make the liberals heads explode. Bwahahahahaha.


15 posted on 10/12/2011 4:27:42 PM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: Meet the New Boss

Good to see the only one of the three I would vote for under any circumstance in the lead.


16 posted on 10/12/2011 4:28:18 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Meet the New Boss

I am so praying that the MSM and the early primary States don’t chose our candidate this time - the race cards that Obambi and company are planning to spew all over the table will play havoc with any opponent that is not supported by us, the 52% ! Cain can neutralize the race cards - Anybody but Romney - Please!


17 posted on 10/12/2011 4:28:18 PM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: All
As others have pointed out, 9-9-9 is an idea, it's a starting point. No president gets everything he wants or campaigns on. It takes a lot of legislation to get ideas passed (look at the Jobs Bill — Obama can spout about it all day long, but it isn't going to pass). So if 9-9-9 doesn't end up passing muster, then it won't pass. But maybe 9-12-0 does pass muster. Who knows.

It will take time and analysis to get any new plan vetted and passed. The point is Cain is thinking outside the box, outside the establishment norms, and that's a good thing, given the state of our economy and our nation.

Let's let this play out and see where it goes. Don't write Cain off just because you don't like 9-9-9. I don't like certain things about every candidate. But I doubt any of us will every have the perfect candidate. So we have to choose the one with the greatest potential for leadership, values, character, sound principals, and definitely the ability and intent to surround him/herself with world-class advisers.

Time will bring the cream of the crop to the top.

18 posted on 10/12/2011 4:29:09 PM PDT by BagCamAddict (Taxed Enough Already!!)
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To: Politicalmom

You call a 30% tax on everthing you buy “getting out of your finances”? lol.


19 posted on 10/12/2011 4:30:55 PM PDT by Huck (NO FEDERAL SALES TAX -- UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES)
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To: Huck

So where is Perry’s tax plan?

Oh yeah, he forgot to bring it to the economic debate. (”Can I have a three day extension, professor?”)

The fact is we are on the verge of a severe collapse in our standard of living unless we 1) re-incentivize the production of goods within the U.S. and 2) raise the abysmal savings rate.

Cain’s plan is the only one that gets to the root of these problems.

Of course we need to cut regulations and cut spending and open up domestic energy production as well.

But the Cain tax plan would provide a solid foundation for manufacturing in the United States.

Where are the jobs going to be for all of those tens of millions of illegals and their children whom Rick Perry wants to legalize, since our manufacturing base is going overseas, if we don’t turn it around and soon?


20 posted on 10/12/2011 4:32:16 PM PDT by Meet the New Boss
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To: BagCamAddict

Sober, sensible and sane for Cain;)


21 posted on 10/12/2011 4:33:03 PM PDT by sodpoodle (God is ignoring me - because He is watching you)
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To: CSI007

I really like Cain, especially after his speech at the “Values” conference.

But I am now convinced that NEWT GINGRICH is the man who should be the next president of the United States.

He is, beyond a shadow of a doubt, the single most capable candidate in the field.

I don’t want to hear any of this “baggage” crap or any “electability” garbage. Plain and simple, Gingrich is the smartest, most well-informed candidate out there.

Period.


22 posted on 10/12/2011 4:33:22 PM PDT by Walrus (Big government is the natural enemy of liberty)
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To: tirednvirginia

A lot of them are. It’s theater of the absurd.


23 posted on 10/12/2011 4:33:53 PM PDT by Huck (NO FEDERAL SALES TAX -- UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES)
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To: Meet the New Boss

Great! Most polls now have him in the lead, so the media should consider Herman Cain the frontrunner.


24 posted on 10/12/2011 4:34:28 PM PDT by Southnsoul
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To: Huck

When the Taxed Enough Already party was pure. Didn’t take long to get side tracked.


25 posted on 10/12/2011 4:34:49 PM PDT by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: Huck

You failed 1st grade math didn’t you?


26 posted on 10/12/2011 4:35:37 PM PDT by sodpoodle (God is ignoring me - because He is watching you)
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To: Meet the New Boss

I don’t know what the Dunce’s plan is, and I don’t really care. I do know that Cain’s plan is idiotic, and toxic, and destined for a deserved failure. Really dumb on his part to hang his whole identity on such a bad plan. I guess he didn’t think he’d actually have a shot. Just wanted to use a gimmick to raise his profile and sell some books. Now he’s stuck with it. Hopefully the GOP electorate aren’t ALL suckers.


27 posted on 10/12/2011 4:36:15 PM PDT by Huck (NO FEDERAL SALES TAX -- UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES)
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To: CSI007

Are you talking about the top advisor for the Dole/Kemp campaign? On his second run at the whitehouse and his 3rd try at public office?


28 posted on 10/12/2011 4:38:23 PM PDT by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: Meet the New Boss
So where is Perry’s tax plan?

C'mon, give Perry a break. As he said to Romney in the debate last night, "I've only had 8 weeks to prepare an economic plan, you've been preparing for 6 years." (Or something like that.)

Why would we expect a candidate for President to have thought about the economy for more than 8 weeks? Can't he just figure it out on the campaign trail? /sarc

29 posted on 10/12/2011 4:38:45 PM PDT by BagCamAddict (Taxed Enough Already!!)
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To: normy
Didn’t take long to get side tracked.

It's over. Focus lost. Morphed into typical conservative cluster-huminahumina.

30 posted on 10/12/2011 4:39:57 PM PDT by Huck (NO FEDERAL SALES TAX -- UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES)
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To: adorno
I mean, once Cain is in the White House, how likely is it that, he’ll actually propose the plan, and how likely is it that congress will actually take it up or even discuss it seriously?

Even if President Cain proposed 999 in its current form it will, as most bills do, look completely different when it leaves Congress. The main idea (which Cain will soon have to find a way to get across) is that Cain is willing to take an ax to the torturous maze that is the tax code and replace it with something else. It doesn't have to be 999. I don't see any of the other candidates going after the tax code.
31 posted on 10/12/2011 4:40:36 PM PDT by LostInBayport (When there are more people riding in the cart than there are pulling it, the cart stops moving...)
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To: Huck

You are so right. CBS this evening had a straightforward report on 9-9-9 and pointed out how it would hurt those at the bottom of the income ladder. A person making, say, $25,000 a year now pays no income tax. Considering the inflation rate and the cost for rent,food, gasoline, etc., you’re barely surviving at that income level. Herman’s plan would slap a 9% tax on your paltry income and a 9% tax on everything you buy including food, medicine, and clothing. If you’re a poor person living in Pennsylvania, that sales tax would be on top of the 6% sales tax Pennsylvanians of whatever income already pay.

When people get a good look at this nutty idea, Herman’s poll numbers will go down the drain. His appeal is to the simple-minded who buy whatever is the latest fad getting all the buzz. When Herman finally comes under some scutiny, he’ll drop like a rock. The sooner the better with this plan.


32 posted on 10/12/2011 4:41:44 PM PDT by WestSylvanian
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To: Meet the New Boss

This is stupendous news! Raising Cain!!


33 posted on 10/12/2011 4:42:19 PM PDT by federal__reserve (Economy on life support needs a revolutionary tax plan, not fiddle around the edges!)
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To: Meet the New Boss

“NBC/WSJ poll: Cain now leads GOP pack (Cain 27% Romney 23% Perry 16%)”

Hey look MSM (and Perry supporters), it really IS a two man race!


34 posted on 10/12/2011 4:43:23 PM PDT by Grunthor (Heartless Bigot for Cain.)
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To: org.whodat; All

Herman is not attacking Myth because he doesn’t have to in order to win. Rick Perry IS because he has to.


35 posted on 10/12/2011 4:44:52 PM PDT by Grunthor (Heartless Bigot for Cain.)
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To: Huck

There’s also the fact that Cain is like the All State man.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2791095/posts?page=46#39


36 posted on 10/12/2011 4:45:49 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: Meet the New Boss

3 polls now have confirmed Cain is the front runner. At this point, Perry is only helping Slick Willard. Not only that, Perry is unelectable whereas Cain will crush Hussein.


37 posted on 10/12/2011 4:46:46 PM PDT by PAConservative1 (Would you like to sponsor a young illegal's college tuition? Vote Perry!)
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To: adorno

Has Cain flip-flopped on another major issue such as his tax plan? Remember he is not a politician by profession. He is a successful businessman, rocket scientist, problem solver. He is much much much less likely to lie than....say....Romney.


38 posted on 10/12/2011 4:47:17 PM PDT by federal__reserve (Economy on life support needs a revolutionary tax plan, not fiddle around the edges!)
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To: Kartographer

Exactly. A sonorous pitchman. That’s exactly what he is.


39 posted on 10/12/2011 4:47:17 PM PDT by Huck (NO FEDERAL SALES TAX -- UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES)
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To: Grunthor
Clearly the results of this poll makes it clear that Cain can't possible win and is a spoiler for Mitt. If he is the conservative that he claims he is he should get out and endorse Perry.

40 posted on 10/12/2011 4:47:49 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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41 posted on 10/12/2011 4:48:30 PM PDT by South40 (Reject the pro-ILLEGAL candidate. Vote conservative -- vote for Herman Cain!)
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To: Grunthor

After the IRS is abolished, I’ll accept the 999 plan.


42 posted on 10/12/2011 4:48:33 PM PDT by bicyclerepair ( REPLACE D-W-S ! http://www.karenforcongress.com)
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To: Huck

I feel your pain, with every poll coming out these days.


45 posted on 10/12/2011 4:49:34 PM PDT by federal__reserve (Economy on life support needs a revolutionary tax plan, not fiddle around the edges!)
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To: Huck

You DO understand the sales tax replaces much of the income tax, and is harder to raise since EVERYONE sees it if you raise it?


46 posted on 10/12/2011 4:49:43 PM PDT by Mr Rogers ("they found themselves made strangers in their own country")
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To: LostInBayport

Ms. A. B. Stoddard was apparently named after A. B. Normal.


47 posted on 10/12/2011 4:50:20 PM PDT by dangus
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To: BlondPatriot

If you’re going to judge who the best candidate is based off how much big donors they have, I guess Romney is your guy. Actually, Obammy probably is.


48 posted on 10/12/2011 4:52:17 PM PDT by PAConservative1 (Would you like to sponsor a young illegal's college tuition? Vote Perry!)
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To: bicyclerepair

The tax form for 9-9-9 plan will be the size of a postcard.

IRS’s job will be heckuva lot simpler. Less agents needed.


49 posted on 10/12/2011 4:53:01 PM PDT by federal__reserve (Economy on life support needs a revolutionary tax plan, not fiddle around the edges!)
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To: adorno

Actually, in 9-9-9, we have more substance than we ever had in hope and change.


50 posted on 10/12/2011 4:53:23 PM PDT by righttackle44 (I may not be much, but I raised a U.S. Marine.)
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