Skip to comments.New Tappan Zee bridge in NY pegged at $5.2 billion
Posted on 10/12/2011 5:18:27 PM PDT by decimon
WHITE PLAINS, N.Y. (AP) The cost of a new Tappan Zee Bridge in the New York City suburbs has been shaved to $5.2 billion by focusing solely on the bridge, a federal agency said Tuesday.
In the past, mass transit components, ranging up to a new commuter rail line, were considered key elements of a new span over the Hudson River.
President Barack Obama chose the project Monday for quick federal approval of environmental and other permits, and the Federal Highway Administration said those could be obtained within a year. Construction, creating thousands of jobs, could begin soon afterward, it said.
In 2008, several designs for a new bridge were unveiled, with costs estimated at the time at $9 billion to $16 billion depending on which mass transit options were included. The possibilities ranged from upgraded bus service to light rail to an east-west commuter rail line that would link several existing north-south routes.
The FHA said the cost could have exceeded $21 billion.
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Up the river ping.
How corrupt. They could include a single-track rail connector on the bridge for that $5.2 billion, too, if not for their corruption. (They wouldn’t have to pay NJ Transit any more for running to Port Jervis, then, and the trains could go right to Grand Central. But who wants to save the taxpayer any money, eh?)
Anyone happen to know the original estimates for the Boston Big Dig vs final cost ?
Double it. You makka me laff.
We should start an over under pool.
I’m in for greater than 25 billion Mr. Barker.
Originally 2.8 bil final cost 22 bil with interest, or 14.6 at time of completion.
Exactly. And the longer they wait, the more it will cost. However, the Tappan Zee would be a top candidate on my list for replacement. I used to love it as a kid, heading up to New england for visits..but I’m cautious now...and take a longer way around. And I wouldn’t necessarily want to see the job go to the lowest bidder.
A commuter rail connector is a good idea, but what they really need is a freight rail connector permitting CSX to link their West Hudson and East Hudson divisions via Metro North. With the old Poughkeepsie rail bridge usable only as a hiking trail, this would permit the two divisions to communicate with each other south of the Selkirk bridge. CSX would pay for their share of the link, and that would lower the cost of the rail component of the bridge.
Not so fast when it comes to oil drilling though is it? Like...never!
How much would it be with Chinese steel? You know the kind that’s mixed with sand for a filler.
This bridge is a toll bridge. So why is the government looking about replacing it.
Alas for the Poughkeepsie Bridge. Another victim of Conrail neglect (federal government). Of course, the federal government since the end of WWII regulated away the competitiveness of the railroads . . . and the Staggers Act helped some, but not enough to fend off the newer regulations that are imposed every time there's the slightest hint of a rail accident.
A commuter rail connector is a good idea, but what they really need is a freight rail connector permitting CSX to link their West Hudson and East Hudson divisions via Metro North. With the old Poughkeepsie rail bridge usable only as a hiking trail, this would permit the two divisions to communicate with each other south of the Selkirk bridge. CSX would pay for their share of the link, and that would lower the cost of the rail component of the bridge
Of course, we will be living in an un-inhabitable jungle by then, but the plan will have succeeded. Very clever.
The idea of bringing Norfolk Southern’s ex-Erie into the game would create another partner that would further lower the cost of the bridge. This would provide a link to the NS/Pan American partnership in northern Massachusetts via trackage rights on CSX on either side of the Hudson. It would kill a whole flock of birds with one stone.
The biggest obstacles for CSX east of the Hudson River are the passenger service conflicts along the Metro-North route and the height and weight limits along the passenger lines in New York City. I don’t think that’s an issue that will ever be adequately addressed unless someone is willing to erase the map and start all over again.
A Bridge That Has Nowhere Left to Go (NY’s Tappan Zee Bridge)
The partying section is bigger than the two-bay truck house.
Arthur G. Adams
The Hudson, a guidebook to the river
The existing bridge was completed in 1955 at a cost of $80.8 million.
I first drove across the TZ shortly after it was opened. (Lived in CT)
Wasn't the TZ that drove me further north in frequent trips to CT. It was I-95/NJ Tp rat-race and expense.
From MD, I-83 to Harrisburg, I-81 to Scranton, and I-84 across PA & NY into CT. 60-Miles further but relaxing, cheaper, and usually takes close to the same amount of actual driving time.
Only drawback (for me...the driver) are the snow storms starting in early Dec. OTOH, big plus for the wife is the two casinos an hour-and-a-half apart on I-83.
Therefore, a 6-hour drive takes usually 16-, or 17-hours.
> The existing bridge was completed in 1955 at a cost of $80.8 million.
Is that $80M in 1955 dollars or 2011 dollars? I would assume the former, and thus it would be many times that in 2011 dollars, due to inflation.
(I was only 3 in 1955. But for instance in 1969 gas cost 0.29/gal and a pack of smokes was $0.35 and now they're well over 10 times that.)
But even 20 times $80M is still only $1.6B.
5.5 Billion? WTF!
Shea stadium (NY Mets) was completed in 1970 for 15-25 million depending on who you read. The new Mets stadium was recently completed at one billion. Inflation only explains a fraction of the price increase for this and the Tappan Zee Bridge. My take is the new stadium is more luxuriously built. Americans were modest in 1970 about what they expected in a baseball park. Factor two is tons more Gov’t regulations and need to hire expensive lawyers and architects to comply with them
Mens rooms in the old stadiums were stinkin holes. One just had a long piece of sheet steel you pissed against communally. This was good enough for me but no stadium today is built like this.
That was sorta my point. I guess we should be grateful that they shaved costs.
And cut the price in half if not for New York's prevailing wage laws that require all contractors, union and non-union, to pay "prevailing wages and benefits" to their employees. The prevailing wages and benefits are set by union thugs at the NYS Department of Labor to match the wages and benefits in the most recent collective baragining agreement for that particular trade in that area of the state even though only a small number of contruction workers in the state are union.
I've been in some Country bars and dance halls that have exactly that type of accommodation. Yeah it stinks by the end of the night. But it works well and it saves on flush water. And it's easy to hit when you're staggering.
One local bar owner painted little black dots on the center of the sheet that looked like houseflies. It improved everybody's aim considerably. You're a guy so you know what I mean. LOL.